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Re: ORV S2: All the World Is Birthday Cake
@SlackerInc
It depends entirely on what you mean by God. A field of pure potentiality that many physicists say existed before the big bang (and continues to exist and intervene) providing the intelligence and blueprint for the universe, is for all purposes identical to some religious concepts of God. There will be many other concepts, most of them more popular that that one, but there are also other scientific concepts of how the universe exists.
@SlackerInc
It depends entirely on what you mean by God. A field of pure potentiality that many physicists say existed before the big bang (and continues to exist and intervene) providing the intelligence and blueprint for the universe, is for all purposes identical to some religious concepts of God. There will be many other concepts, most of them more popular that that one, but there are also other scientific concepts of how the universe exists.
Re: ORV S2: All the World Is Birthday Cake
@Booming
I empathise and agree that religion has deep-seated issues with intolerance. I think it might help to clarify terms here. A theist is, in the broadest sense, someone who believes the perceived universe is dependent on a prior or ultimate reality, not someone belonging to an organisation. So a physicist would be a theist if they believed in a big bang which emerged from a unified field, which many do. I do think we need a greater public understanding of the ways religion and science intersect, otherwise this us/them dichotomy we are seeing will prevail. It does not help that both religion and science are very recent developments as separate, distinct and in many ways opposing concepts. Which brings us back to intolerance, because when there is intolerance, it is because a concept has come between seeing the person as they are. I have heard the current Pope speak about 'accepting differences', but true compassion and love sees no differences.
@Booming
I empathise and agree that religion has deep-seated issues with intolerance. I think it might help to clarify terms here. A theist is, in the broadest sense, someone who believes the perceived universe is dependent on a prior or ultimate reality, not someone belonging to an organisation. So a physicist would be a theist if they believed in a big bang which emerged from a unified field, which many do. I do think we need a greater public understanding of the ways religion and science intersect, otherwise this us/them dichotomy we are seeing will prevail. It does not help that both religion and science are very recent developments as separate, distinct and in many ways opposing concepts. Which brings us back to intolerance, because when there is intolerance, it is because a concept has come between seeing the person as they are. I have heard the current Pope speak about 'accepting differences', but true compassion and love sees no differences.
Re: ORV S2: All the World Is Birthday Cake
@Esther
"It does not seem to me to be any more necessarily a matter of 'free thinking' to advocate that what we see around us sprung from nothing, than from something."
Very true.
"Free thinking" is simply about reaching our own conclusions rather than blindly accepting society's dogmatic claims.
The funny thing is that in present day western society, it often seems that the dogma regarding religion is neither theism or atheism. Rather, it is this silly "us vs them" mentality. This whole "science vs religion" thing, for example, is getting crazier every year.
Today, an actual "freethinker" would be a person who rejects this craziness. Whether they believe in a Creator is immaterial, as long as they embrace the quest for a better understanding of the universe and themselves.
Seems like a great premise for a Star Trek/Orville episode, doesn't it? Unfortunately, given Seth McFarlane's views on religion, there's no way this will happen.
@Esther
"It does not seem to me to be any more necessarily a matter of 'free thinking' to advocate that what we see around us sprung from nothing, than from something."
Very true.
"Free thinking" is simply about reaching our own conclusions rather than blindly accepting society's dogmatic claims.
The funny thing is that in present day western society, it often seems that the dogma regarding religion is neither theism or atheism. Rather, it is this silly "us vs them" mentality. This whole "science vs religion" thing, for example, is getting crazier every year.
Today, an actual "freethinker" would be a person who rejects this craziness. Whether they believe in a Creator is immaterial, as long as they embrace the quest for a better understanding of the universe and themselves.
Seems like a great premise for a Star Trek/Orville episode, doesn't it? Unfortunately, given Seth McFarlane's views on religion, there's no way this will happen.
Re: ORV S2: All the World Is Birthday Cake
@SlackerInc
It does not seem to me to be any more necessarily a matter of "free thinking" to advocate that what we see around us sprung from nothing, than from something. I have encountered some extremely intellectual, intelligent and well-reasoned people on either side of the divide, but the answer of the most intelligent has usually been "I really don't know". This does not rule out belief in a creator however, because a belief is a belief, not knowledge. Freedom of thought has a limited usefulness in an area where thinking can only get us so far.
@SlackerInc
It does not seem to me to be any more necessarily a matter of "free thinking" to advocate that what we see around us sprung from nothing, than from something. I have encountered some extremely intellectual, intelligent and well-reasoned people on either side of the divide, but the answer of the most intelligent has usually been "I really don't know". This does not rule out belief in a creator however, because a belief is a belief, not knowledge. Freedom of thought has a limited usefulness in an area where thinking can only get us so far.
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk
@Marshal
Well, no, because holograms aren't actually real are they? So humanity can't have created Earth.
@Marshal
Well, no, because holograms aren't actually real are they? So humanity can't have created Earth.
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk
What we call 'real life' is actually a holodeck. And we created the program.
What we call 'real life' is actually a holodeck. And we created the program.
Re: VOY S2: Dreadnought
There are 2 types of solo B'Elanna episodes: "I can't control my Klingon temper" and these engineering ones. I would take "Prototypes" and "Dreadnaught" over "Day of Honor," (tho I love the spacewalk) "Extreme Risk," "Juggernaut," "Barge of Dead," etc. Except "Faces"—that was great, and that episode came way too early in her character progression. Would have been awesome in season 5 or 6.
I'm oversimplifying, but B'Elanna is way more fun when her Klingonness isn't the main focus; it's done so broadly t/out VOY, which is a shame.
There are 2 types of solo B'Elanna episodes: "I can't control my Klingon temper" and these engineering ones. I would take "Prototypes" and "Dreadnaught" over "Day of Honor," (tho I love the spacewalk) "Extreme Risk," "Juggernaut," "Barge of Dead," etc. Except "Faces"—that was great, and that episode came way too early in her character progression. Would have been awesome in season 5 or 6.
I'm oversimplifying, but B'Elanna is way more fun when her Klingonness isn't the main focus; it's done so broadly t/out VOY, which is a shame.
Re: TNG S6: Man of the People
What? And not one mention of the TOS ep this is taken from? Great idea for TOS but Troi makes the whole ep collapse.
What? And not one mention of the TOS ep this is taken from? Great idea for TOS but Troi makes the whole ep collapse.
Re: VOY S2: Dreadnought
"I definitely would have loved to have someone say "Well at least we were lucky enough to have come across the weapon before it crashed into a planet!"
That's hilarious--way too self-aware for Star Trek to ever do. I remember thinking this episode was so cool & intense ten years ago, and rewatching it now, I was bored. Jammer's quite right in saying that everything is a foregone conclusion. World is saved, ship is disabled, and there is no chance in hell Voyager could take advantage of Dreadnought's technology.
The most fascinating angle is B'Elanna's former insubordination to Chakotay; there seems to be such tension and even bad blood between them about it. But the whole thing is dropped the moment it's announced. I would have loved to see more history from Chakotay's crew.
"I definitely would have loved to have someone say "Well at least we were lucky enough to have come across the weapon before it crashed into a planet!"
That's hilarious--way too self-aware for Star Trek to ever do. I remember thinking this episode was so cool & intense ten years ago, and rewatching it now, I was bored. Jammer's quite right in saying that everything is a foregone conclusion. World is saved, ship is disabled, and there is no chance in hell Voyager could take advantage of Dreadnought's technology.
The most fascinating angle is B'Elanna's former insubordination to Chakotay; there seems to be such tension and even bad blood between them about it. But the whole thing is dropped the moment it's announced. I would have loved to see more history from Chakotay's crew.
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