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Ellen
Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 7:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S1: You Can't Go Home Again

Another instance of that jackass Adama changing the goal post when the shoe fits. Just two episodes ago he didnt bat an eye giving the order to destroy that carrier that had 1300 people on it. Didnt even wanna risk it but here he is risking everything to rescue one pilot, jeopardizing limited resources and the fleet. What an asshole.
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Ellen
Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 12:33am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: A Disquiet Follows My Soul

I seriously cant stand Adama. He is such a hypocrite. He hates Zarek for his violent past as a political activist and considers him a low life terrorist whom he clearly cant forgive or forget but he is wiling to forget and forgive the very cylons (Capirca 6 etc ) who were the architects of humanities genocide. Entities that murdered billions of humans of which now only a meafer 35k are left. In fat, Adama takes that hypocrisy so far that he ends up EXECUTING his own people later on for daring to challenge that.

In this episode, I find Adama's attitude toward the whole situation an overreaction. He is just dictating what he wants instead of sitting down and addressing the very legitimate concerns the press and the Quorum have. In fact, he evades and avoids them, acting like having to answer to members of a legitimately elected government as well as the public, whom he is supposedly serving, was a nuisance and inconvenience he'd rather not deal with it if he doesnt feel like it. He acts exactly like someone who thinks he doesnt owe people crap.

That is terrible leadership and I dont at all blame Gaeta and Zarek for starting a mutiny.

I mean in situations like this you cant just shove your will down peoples' throats. Most of them are still struggling from the fall out of having lost their homes, loved ones and ...LIVES...and everything they knew because of a genocidal race that is hunting them through the galaxy. Heck they had to endure it twice: once at home and once on Caprica Two.

Adama et al should have approached this differently. You never wanna radicalize people and forcing them to swallow every shit sandwich you shove down their throats is not a sustainable way to run things or gain the sympathy of the populace whose support you need unless you are a dictator who doesnt give a shit either way since you dont need their support to reign.

Anyway, the whole situation was mishandled and it is all Adama's fault. He is thick headed, stubborn, rigid; a military dictator who doesnt like to be called such because the truth sucks I guess. Good grief. This fucking guy. The way he just disregards and tramples over the rule of law when it suits him; the way he condescends when talking to the Quorum like he didnt owe them shit. His disdain for a free press and Democratic institutions in general, and his disrespect toward anything that challenges his and Roslin's authority, are just too much. Not to mention his personal disdain and over-the-top contempt for Zarek.

In fact, why does Adama hate Zarek so much? This is now the second time he just flat out refuses to accept Zarek as the President when the situation, legally, called for him to be just that. That attitude in and of itself is proof for Adama's disdain for Democracy and the rule of law. He is basically making it clear that whatever (puppet) government is in charge, is so with his permission. When the shoe fits, he is more than willing to threaten to swiftly pull his military support until the person HE is ok with takes over.

Adama doesnt want a democratic government, he wants a military dictatorship with a president of his choosing. Sure, there is an election, but it has to be someone he can stomach.

Again, these are not traits of a"'good guy" so if the writers were going for that, it backfired cause Adama is the worst.
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Ellen
Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 7:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: The Ties That Bind

I really hated Cally. Tyrol's description of her as having vacant eyes and smelling like boiled cabbage is apt and made me laugh out loud. She just appears quiet and innocent but behind that mousy exterior is a mean, annoying stinkin' little rodent. I was actually glad to see her go. I hated how she killed Boomer and then got high fives. Watching her be flushed out that airlock was the highlight of this episode.
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Ellen
Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 10:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Razor

Cain is just a fucking psycho in a uniform. A sociopath actually. She is unhinged and unstable, willing to stab anyone in the back - or throw out of an airlock, or shoot in the head - when it suits her. Adama trying to excuse her despicable, cruel actions really pissed me off and made me dislike him even more. You dont need other people to hold you in check to not be a cruel nightmare.

Anyway, I know the writers want to make Cain out to be this complex character who had to "make hard choices" in tough times, but she is just a power-tripping sociopath who was looking for a reason to inflict pain and hurt people and she had no redeeming qualities. And that, in a nut shell, is what makes her so unappealing and not complex at all. She is just a bully.

If the goal was to make us sympathize with the "villain" it backfried. I mean she was an asshole even before the Cylon attack, her sociopathy barely kept in check by the thin veneer of civilization. But once that veneer was pulled off, she just went ballistic for no good reason really. I mean when she ordered the raid on the civilian ships or executed her own CO, she didnt even do it to save humanity, she did it so she can live another day and exact her pointless bullshit vengeance. "We need to save humanity so let's kill humanity" is not a strategy.

I mean she is an Admiral and ostensibly in charge of the last fleet of humanity and her idea of navigating this mess is by engaging in a private little war with the cylons, seriously thinking one ship with a few thousand people can somehow put an effective end to the entire Cylon race or even undermine their efforts. She really seems to think this is what they should be doing: roam the galaxy and just kill cylons and execute anyone who disagrees. Thee is no long term strategy. It is all just "give me all the ammo so I can shoot these motheruckers into oblivion."

As much as I despise Adama and Roslin, at least they did all the crap they did for a reason; a viable, realistic end game: finding Earth. Cain is just doing all this for self aggrandizement, which she is unconvincing trying to pass up as sacrifice and hard choices in difficult times blah blah...

I mean what kind of a person would order someone to rape and torture the person they once loved? Even if that person had betrayed them. Still. Who does that?

A sociopath. That's who.

At least Shaw felt bad for what she had done and I really believe she stayed behind to atone for her sin. Cain never felt any remorse. Heck, she gave Shaw a promotion!!! For what? For emptying a bullet in the head of an unarmed civilian? That is not someone who feels bad for having had to make unconscionable choices.

The difference between a sociopath and normal person is that a sociopath doesnt feel bad for that they did. They have no remorse. Just like Cain: she tried to justify her actions TO OTHERS but she never felt bad personally for what she had done, be it to her own XO or the civilians. Unlike Shaw, who couldnt live with herself anymore and knew the only way out of having to live with herself and what she had done was to end it.

In the end, It is ironic that it is actually the human being in this scenario (Cain) who acts inhuman. Or is she acting human after all? Once again I am left wondering why humanity deserves saving...
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Ellen
Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: Dirty Hands

I think season 3 is when I started hating Adama and Roslin so much. Just everything they do, they are awful. I mean from what they did to the workers here to the way they treated Baltar and the kangaroo court they ran, to executing Gaeta and Zarek later on. Roslin is like a benevolent tyrant and even the benevolent part is questionable more often than not. She changes the goal post whenever it suits her needs and when someone objects, she invokes the age old cry of the oppressor about "security of the state", which is just code for those in charge getting carte blance for their abuses and essentially creating a dictatorship. She is just a total, powertripping bitch who thinks everyone should roll over when she snaps a finger. And then she sends in her boyfriend's troops if they dont do what she dictates.

I mean, why do they have to be such assholes to the workers? Why couldnt they work with them, make some concessions, meet them halfway? Whatever their needs as a fleet, you cant work people to death. They are still an asset and even slave owners know they cant do that. People get tired, exhausted, even if they dont actively sabotage, they will burn out and mess up on the job. So the right thing to do would have been for Roslin to meet with these people and work with them, not arrest and abuse and torture them. And bullshit on Roslin saying you cant get things done via extortion. It is called collective bargaining. You rely on the labor of these people to turn the wheels, you dont pay up, the work stops.

Simple as that. Why? Because people are what makes the machine work and they need to be compensated accordingly. They dont owe anyone subpar working conditions or their lives.

And then the way they threatened Tyrol to throw his family out the airlock. Disgusting. It is really stunts like this throughout the show that have often made me wonder why humanity deserves to be saved in the first place. Often I find myself rooting for the Cylons hoping they finally put these wretched humans out of their misery and rid the universe of them.
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Ellen
Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 8:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: The Eye of Jupiter

Kara is really annoying. She is screwing Lee but then talks about how sacred marriage vows are to her. She's been treating her own husband like crap for months, abusing him, yet both of these losers are willing to die for this bitch. Wow.
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Ellen
Thu, Sep 7, 2017, 9:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: Collaborators

What I find intriguing is that humans, all over, when they are victims, can whine and cry about injustice and cruelty, but when it is their turn, so to speak, they have no qualms inflicting the same cruelty and injustice they have just been complaining about, on others - in the name of justice!!!

I find this episode disturbing because here you got these seemingly good folks murdering their fellow crew members and ostensibly last members of the human race in this cruel and horrendous street justice manner and they do so without a modicum of remorse or even introspection.

The tough questions about occupation and being forced by an enemy force to pick up a gun and work against your own people or else lose your life etc. werent addressed at all. And to me THAT would actually have been a much more relevant discussion to be had.

People collaborated, but why? Did they have a choice? Were they given one? What if they had refused? These are not simple times so to be looking for simple solutions, like bam bam execute, wasnt gonna work.

Plus, at this point in war you will be hard pressed to find people who have not done horrible things. Again, I want to point out Tigh, in Season 1, forcing Tyrol to close the door or hatch on his crew so they all died horribly. Or that civilian ship with several thousand humans that was blown up. Sure, Adama had no choice. Or did he? Did Jammer? Did Tyrol? Sometimes people become collaborators because they think at least this way I will be standing between my people and the occupiers. At least this way I can have some control over how people are handled.
Maybe that is what some of the collaborators thought when they joined. Maybe they thought they would rather round up families than leave it to the Centurions.

In other words, this wasnt a black and white issue but both the Circle saw it as that and I dont actually think the writers did a good job presenting the other side either. It was like ok they are traitors, so what do we do with them, when what they should have been asking is why these people did what they did, why and how occupations are hard and that in hard, desperate times you make hard, desperate choices.

Tigh may think he is not being just another thug exerting vengeance, but he is. All of them were and wearing that uniform and giving themselves a fancy name wasnt gonna change that.

What bothers me is that at the end neither Kara or Tigh or any of these people showed even an ounce of remorse for what they had done. This episode would have been much stronger if they had had that inner conflict, that inner turmoil, realizing what they had done was wrong. But they didnt.

So Tigh did what he did for the right reasons. Well yeah, so did Jammer. So Baltar.

The right reasons are in the eye of the beholder.

All that said, why on Earth do people think Gaeta was a traitor? Just cause he was chief of staff and was there? Did these jerks really think he or Baltar could have just said no? Staged a revolution? What should they have done? Quit? Like that was an option? These people are so fucking short sighted. Gaeta wasnt a traitor and neither was Baltar. They were puppets of a ruthless force. Even if Gaeta had NOT slipped the resistance the info, he would still not be a traitor.

And the worst part is, they got away with it. Not even a slap on the wrist for picking out alleged collaborators and throwing them out an airlock. All forgiven, which is ironic later on when they all want to bathe in Baltar's blood because he was allegedly a traitor. But unlike these assholes, Baltar didnt actually get anyone killed. He neither pulled the trigger on anyone nor was he a personal party to anyone's execution. Yet he is condemned as waste of skin while these actual murderers got away scott free. It wasnt even an issue, it's like they hadnt just extinguished 12 lives, you know, those lives Roslin was so adamant about are so darn important that she had to make abortion illegal.
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Ellen
Thu, Sep 7, 2017, 8:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: Exodus, Part 2

I cant believe Tigh just fucking murdered his own. What the hell is wrong with these people? MURDERING YOUR OWN WIFE??? And for something like fucking the enemy and slipping them info in order to get his bony ass out of the slammer? It is not like she betrayed them cause she believed in the cause of Cylons. He didnt have to kill her, he could have brought her back to stand trial or whatever (and Roslin pardons all the so-called traitors/collaborators later on anyway).

I was appalled.

Yeah, whatever, humanity is definitely not worth saving if you ask me.
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Ellen
Mon, Sep 4, 2017, 2:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S3: Occupation/Precipice

I agree. Baltar's problem is that he is weak. I never, for one second, thought he was a traitor or deserved to be killed by the insurgents. That is why I never will understand why Saul et al ordered the hit, so to speak. Even Roslin herself says that the human government headed by Baltar is just one in appearance, so why would she, or anyone, think it ok to kill him like he had a choice. This line of reasoning goes on into his trial later on too.

These people are either incapable or unwilling to step back and look at the larger picture. Occupations by hostile forces, especially genocidal ones, are hard. They gnaw away at your morals, will to live, and they are dangerous. It becomes about pure survival at some point. Help or watch your family shot, or be tortured. As an occupied force you dont openly resist. That will just get you taken out back and shot.

Now I do have a rather ambiguous view toward collaborators. One thing to willingly collaborate in order to get a cushy life, quite something else to be held at gun point and told that if you dont do it, you will be eating the bullet. it is a grey area.

Ever seen the series "Colony"? [SPOILERS}Those people are essentially helping the aliens carry out the genocide of the human race. They are helping smooth out the murders in exchange for temporary comforts. The collaborators dont act like they are forced, held at gun point, they just collaborate and they do so willingly. There is only so many people the alien government can shoot before running out of people to do the groundwork so it is not like resistance would have bene futile.

But in Colony, the humans made it easy for the alien forces. In fact, they often outdid the aliens in terms of brutality against the humans they were put in charge of, even though they didnt really have to.

Anyway, I digress but my point is that those are the people who are rightful targets of insurgents cause they are willing participants. Torturing people with glee is not something the aliens made them do. [END SPOILERS]

Not so much here on BSG and Caprica Two. So Roslin asking that all those forced to help be killed was just another evidence of her shortsightedness.

At any rate. I dont think Baltar even wanted the job. He did it out of spite. Had Roslin not been such a dick to him, demanding him to resign and be so blatantly hostile toward him, the situation could have been placated and diffused. See, this is the problem with Roslin, she has no finesse and very little diplomatic skills. She wants it done and she wants it her way and anyone who objects can go "frack" themselves. That is not how you handle people, especially in politics.
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Ellen
Sun, Sep 3, 2017, 10:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S1: Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down

I just love Ellen. Or maybe it is the actress Kate Vernon, who plays Ellen, I dig? I dont lnow, but there is something about Vernon that really makes Ellen more than just a calculating, power hungry, selfish nightmare. She really infuses life and quirk into the character, makes her real rather than a caricature. I appreciate that.

The dinner scene is one of the highlights for me. Vernon's comedic timing is spot on, and when she screams BOO and the look on their faces. Priceless.

See, what I love about BSG is that its characters are real and therefore relatable. They are not cast, they inhabit their roles. And they behave like normal people. And there is no one normal than Ellen. She says stupid shit, she has a good time, she stumbles. She is real.

I cant believe she is married to Saul though. He is such a bore fest. He also seems like 25 years older. What did people see in Saul? First her, then Caprica Six? Am I missing something?
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Ellen
Sat, Sep 2, 2017, 7:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2

I fucking hate Roslin. She just repeatedly gives me this urge to want to smash her face in, again and again. It is Democracy and rule of law as long as she and her boyfriend get what they want, but the moment things dont go their way, they suspend all of those things and go rogue. When Adama deposed her sorry ass, she was screaming bloody murder but here she wants to rig the election. She cannot convince people to vote for her so she gets all abusive with Baltar.

"Im going to wipe the floor with you"

"why dont you go fuck yourself"

Well why dont YOU try making some compelling arguments to win instead of thinking people owed you thw vote cause you got a vague gut feeling that settling on this planet may be doom for all.

And seriously, make up your mind lady: are you the president or despot? Are these extraordinary times that require suspending laws and the Constitution and rule of law or not? Cant have it both ways based on which way the wind blows at the moment and what suits you.

Like it or not, Baltar made some very good points about settling there. And at that point in time his guess about whether the Cylons would find them was as good as hers. Or anybody's. What makes these people think the cylons wont find earth too? In fact, the moment they find out about it, then suddenly they want that to be their new home too. Heck, they go there with them and make a home there.

Anyway, if this episode is supposed to make me wanna side with Roslin, especially in this "I told you so " manner given what will happen later (occupation) then it grossly backfired. Baltar wanting to settle here was not at all outrageous. It made sense. Roslin not being able to make her case and getting all nasty about it, didnt help. Whatever happens on Caprica Two later is not Baltar's fault either. I wanna see Roslin rebel while sitting on her chair surrounded by 6 cylons, one of whom holds a gun to her head and says "DO THIS" or I'll pull the trigger.
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Ellen
Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 5:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: The Captain's Hand

The point is not that the life of a criminal is worth the same as the life of a fetus, the point is that if the rationale for wanting to ban abortion is that we are the LAST of the human race and we need to save as many as we can, that every human matters, then maybe that logic should be applied at all levels, not just when it comes to birthing out babies. If we are, literally, the last humans left, then maybe some thought should go into maybe reevaluating capital punishment. But they dont do that and that is hypocritical. If you are not going to apply that principle consistently then you are just picking and choosing and going after the lowest hanging fruit. As I said, who could say no to babies. Apparently I, even though I got a couple of my own.

Not to mention that Roslin and Adama have been and will continue to have a gross disregard for life, human life, at every level anyway. This is not even talking about the civilian ship of more than 3000 or so people they just let be blown up "for the common good", but their punitive measures too. They later wanted to execute Baltar, a brilliant mind who was, at gun point, forced to do the bidding of the cylons, alleging he was a traitor who had a choice. They didnt even wanna give him a trial. In fact, Adama was ready to suspend the trial when Lee started asking his girlfriend some hard questions.

Adama threatened to execute Tyrol's wife and baby during the worker revolt and because he was standing up for the abused and overworked slave laborers and wanted improved working conditions. Not to mention the vigilantes who, after Caparica Two, executed about a dozen people and got away with it. That's 12 humans less and it is debatable they were traitors. And even if they really were, a court of law should have determined so, not their private tribunal. And not with executions that they didnt even get a slap on the wrist for.

And dont even get me started on putting Gaeta in front of a firing squad because he objected to selling out to the cylons. Now right or wrong, he was still a human being and a damn loyal one too. Yeah he engaged in mutiny, but if you can forgive the genocide of the human race and make friends with the murderers, maybe you can forgive Gaeta too. But no they couldnt casue Adama is an asshole.

That said, I am not interested in discussing the merits of pro choice and abortion here on this forum. First of all that was not the main point of my argument (Adama and Roslin's hypocrisy was) and hey, if you dont like abortions pal, dont get them....
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Ellen
Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 3:09am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: The Captain's Hand

Ok so here is the thing that is truly bothersome about how the whole abortion debacle. If Roslin or Adama are so worried about the human population dwindling, then maybe they should fucking stop executing people left and right.

Or being so cavalier about human beings they are willing to sacrifice at every turn for "the greater good".

Their pro life attitude is inconsistent and hypocritical because if logic necessitates that they have to rethink the way they do things in this apocalyptic world, then maybe that should apply to their "legal" system and how they dispense punishment as well. Maybe consider abolishing the death penalty.

But no, we cant have that because then that would limit Adama and Roslin from being able to exercise their particular brand of justice as they deem necessary. I find it astonishing that the issue is not even looked at from this angle. The connection is nowhere drawn. Not even in later episodes where they put their own loyal crew members in front of a firing squad.

Certainly if life matters, then the rationale should go both ways.

So why go after abortion?

Because it is an easier target.

No one is gonna argue about the BEBES. The cute little innocent ones. And hey, what's denying a woman the right to her body if you need her to give up that autonomy so she can serve as a breeding machine for the dying human race. I mean isnt that why she is a woman? So she can birth out?
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Ellen
Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 2:40am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Sacrifice

Dualla and Lee absolutely dont make sense. Their relationship is not believable to me. No relationship or connection of any kind has been established between them. It just came out of nowhere. She doesnt seem to be his type. She is too mousy and boring. It looks like something the writers decided on last minute or something. I mean what does their relationship consist of so far? A couple of rounds in the gym wrestling.

Billy is so sadly pathetic. It's like this relationship is all in his head and he's just wandering around clueless. I dont think Dualla deceived him. It is more that she simply does not reciprocate those feelings for Billy, so Billy feels betrayed. But I dont know that it is. She never lied to him. It seems like she was just seeing him on and off and he turned it into something more serious without her being in it with him. As I said, It seems more like a one sided thing where he imagines the relationship to be something it actually isnt.

Anyway, to then have him later take a bullet for her was the final straw in terms of pathetic. Why would he do such a stupid thing? Do people really think DYING for someone else, especially someone who doesnt give a shit about you, is romantic? Or kind of endearing? This was almost clichee. The writers are better than that. And then she gets over him in like 2 seconds. Poor Billy. He just might be the one of the most tragic characters on the show.
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Ellen
Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 8:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Pegasus

Do you really think that men who do that to someone are decent human beings in any shape or form and thus in other parts of their lives? Do you think they treat the women in their lives - mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, girlfriends - any better? There are plenty of men who are under pressure, have seen terrible things and who still dont go engage in this heinous act, assaulting and violating a woman. The men of the Paegasus arent good guys gone bad because of bad circumstances. These are men looking for an excuse to rape and dehumanizing the enemy so you can do that sort of you cant legally do with women in your own society, is the method they employ. In other words, she is a cylon is an excuse. I believe salve owners used the same justification when they raped their black slaves.
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Ellen
Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 8:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Pegasus

@Jason: well it's a good you arent trying to justify rape. LOL

Anyway, I am not sure what the point of your response is. To make me "understand" why those men made a sport out of raping the cylon who, as I said above, looks and feels exactly like a human? What exactly about my comment are you criticizing? Are you saying I am mistaken? I should give those men and rapists in general the benefit of the doubt and "understand" it? Like understand how conquerors raped natives? How slave owners raped slaves? Again, not sure about the point of your post.

But for the record, no I dont appreciate the nuances of rapists. Rape is about power above all. Sure, it does involve a sexual act, but men dont just rape to have an orgasm. It is the power they get to exercise. I cant believe I actually have to point this out. The men in this story here took a sadistic pleasure in exerting that power onto a cylon and I bet the rush was doubly empowering for them knowing they are disparaging an enemy. But even in war there are rules and just casue you are upset at the "enemy" doesnt make it understandable for you to go out there and torture and gangrape their women and daughters. And doing so doesnt make you a good guy gone bad or your actions more understandable.

There are no shades of grey when it comes to rape. These men dehumanized the cylon much the same way soldiers used to do in Vietnam when they raped villages in their homes or what some soldiers have done in Iraq and Afghanistan. They attacked us, whoever "they" may be, so let's rape the shit out of them, they are all the time.

Again, not really sure about the point of your comment. Are you trying to correct me in some way? Make a case for rape under special circumstances? Make me understand these men? I dont get it, sorry.
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Ellen
Mon, Aug 28, 2017, 11:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Pegasus

I cant get my head around these men just so casually talking about raping someone. That entire scene in the locker room or bar or whatever just gave me chills and was repulsive. I cant imagine being a woman and standing in that crowd and listening to them talk about raping someone like they were talking about grabbing a beer after the shift.

I cant discern whether this is just them being how they are , or if they are so casual about it because in this case the entity they were raping is a cylon. Both options are pretty appalling. The first one for obvious reasons and the second one because it almost feels like the only thing stopping these guys from rape is that it is illegal but since it is legal with the cylon, they do it and brag about it. It is very disturbing.

Maybe I could understand why they impose themselves on her if she actually did look like a robot or one of those blow up fuck me sex dolls, but she doesnt. For all intent and purposes and as far as these guys are concerned, the skin jobs are as human as it gets. They dont look like machine, they dont feel like machines, they dont talk like machines. So having sex with one of them is no different than having sex with a "human." So how do they do it? How do they just turn off whatever makes them not rape human women and rape the cylon?

Maybe I dont wanna know the answer.

And about Sharon pulling the blanket over her head being improvised. I figured that when I watched it. It was very intuitive, not like something you script. Watching that entire scene I was cringing and the first thing that came to my mind after Sharon got off the table pulling her pants up was the massive amount of fear but also shame she must have felt. I thought to myself "man, I would wanna crawl in a hole and disappear" and wham, Sharon pulls the blanket over her head to do just that. It was awesome. Park really lived the character at that moment. Her reaction was...very human.
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Ellen
Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 6:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2

The ending was sappy, sentimental and absurd and it just pissed me off.

There was way too much sentimentality going around. People giving each other significant looks across the room. Everyone has a smile on their faces, everyone loves everyone, everyone is soft-spoken and gentle to each other, hugging and caressing, being giving and generous. Taking long walks, being romantic and loving and blah blah fart. Good grief. It's like they got mass sedated entering Earth's atmosphere or something. Not believable.

And if was absurd because these people think it clever to abandon not only their technology on this primitive planet but also each other to wonder off and live desolate, isolated lives at the ass end of the world. Yeah sure, Adama just goes off by himself. A 70+ year old man, bitterly alone, building a cabin. How does he build it? He is only one man. He is old. He has no technology. Fuck, he doesnt even have any tools. I think his cavemen neighbor may be better equipped.

And why would he want to do that anyway? Why would he be ok with spending the rest of his life alone and not even be with his son? What was the utility or even wisdom in that?

The answer is, there wasnt. It just made for a melodramatic, sappy and sentimental ending. But it didnt make a lick of sense.

And then Tyrol just grabbing his backpack and wondering off in the Savannah to go find a home in what...current day Scotland? Greenland? The Kilimanjaro?

And what about the kid he had with his wife (who was a total bitch btw)? Sure he isnt the biological father but he ws there since say one and believed he was. What has changed? he just stopped loving him?

Anyway, him wondering off like that, it reminded me of that scene in National Lampoon's Vacation when the Griswold's are stranded in the desert and Clark says "im gonna go see if i can find a gas station, honey" in the middle of nowhere. And from afar you see these two tribal members sitting on their horses with one of them saying "what an asshole".

Indeed. That is pretty much exactly how i felt when Tyrol said he was gonna go somewhere nordic to basically die alone.

The same goes for all of them. As the reviewer says, technology was never their problem, human nature was. Being horrible to each other was.

How are these people better off being scattered around the globe? What are they gonna do on this rock where they are stuck with nothing but a bunch of cavemen? What if they need medical attention? Are they gonna go ask Joe Neanderthal?

Humans are always stronger in communities. We are social creatures and we are always better cooperating and working together and building strong ties.

Isolation and the following loneliness are very damaging and potent. It may seem all cool and romantic at first, the idea of the rugged individual setting out to make it. Or to scream, as Lee did, that you wanna "GO EXPLORE" and "CLIMB MOUNTAINS WOOO HOOO". But wtf man, you dont have a rope, you dont have the equipment. What if you get injured? Bitten? Stung? Eaten? Break your bones? Your shoes fall apart?

And Baltar and Caprica. Let's for one moment forget Caprica's complete 180 from OH I LOVE YOU GAIUS. to OH I LOVE YOU SAUL. to again OH I LOVE YOU GAIUS behavior (amazing how quickly she forgot that freak Saul). But seriously? In Baltar you got a brilliant mind who is now gonna spend the rest of his days with his supermodel wife growing crops? And then what? What happens after 6 months or a year or 5? All alone, in a cabin growing shit?

Helo and Sharon go built a hut and live happily ever after with their daughter? Well, who did Hera end up with to be mitochondrial eve? One of the caveman?

See, these people going back to Earth from that advanced civilization they had on the 12 colonies is like us going back in time 150,000 years. it is not gonna work. You wont last a second without medical care, vaccine, sanitation etc. The fact that all these realistic aspects were completely glossed over in favor of delivering an emotionally driven and sentimental ending that has people holding hands and sobbing pretending they werent just a few months ago executing and killing one another really did a lot of damage to the credibility of the show. And not just that, but it rendered all the darkness that preceded it empty and pointless.

And really ,what makes them think this time around with the centurions it is going to be any different than what they had before? So way to destroy your last chance of ever getting out of here and getting yourself stranded on a planet with a bunch of proto-humans who are a few generations away from walking with their knuckles.

Anyway, it was so all so ridiculous. Too sappy and sentimental. Rather disappointing.
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Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 3:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: The Oath

@Michael: I agree with your first point. I never said this was a bad show. I love this show. And the fact that it can polarize people and create strong emotions and make you think about the harder questions is fantastic. But that still doesnt change the things I described above.

About your second point: the key is consistency. I understand that matters of national security are always used by the state to justify curtailing freedoms and bypassing the democratic process. It is the age old cry of the oppressor. I get it.

But if that is the case, then all Adama and Rolsin had to do was make that very clear, declare martial law from the beginning and not bother with the Quorum of 12 and pretense at democracy altogether. But they didnt. They gave people the impression that they had a say, that their concerns mattered but then went behind their backs and repeatedly applied laws and rules selectively and when it personally suited them and their agenda. Cylons are forgiven for annihilating tens of billions of people but Gaeta and Zarek are put in front of a firing squad without hesitation for essentially not being ok with this arrangement.

Roslin and Adama are the reason the situation escalated as it did. They refused to hear peoples' concerns, they refused to listen and so people got desperate. When you deal with insurgents and unrest, the goal should always be containment, not radicalization.

Even in war time and under such extraordinary circumstances as the BSG finds itself, the reality is that you still have a populace to deal with - be it 10,000 people, 50,000 or 5 million. And if you are just brutal with them and rule with a strong hand of a tyrant, they burn out. But you need them - you need their support, you need their man power, their efforts, their good faith and so they dont start mutinies. All those things, in turn, help create a strong, united front against the enemy. As they say, a house divided against itself cannot stand.

I think Adam and Roslin have done a lousy job. The only person who even remotely made an attempt at genuine containment and inclusion and brought some integrity to the system was Lee.
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Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 1:22am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Someone to Watch Over Me

LOL @ Adama wanting to keep Boomer in the brig because she shot him. I mean he is forgiving all the other cylons who murdered tens of billions of humans but Boomer, she has to stand trial and pay for what she did. Utterly ridiculous.
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Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 8:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: The Oath

...oh and Zarek. I actually always liked him. Never believed him to be out of line or unreasonable. Or power hungry and all the things that bitch Roslin accuses him of. In fact, they would insult him to his face many times and he'd take it. Always polite, classy. But no, na ah. He was considered a terrorist to never be trusted. Adama couldnt even stomach the idea of him in charge. for a few weeks. But he had no problem making a tight alliance with a bunch of genocidal murdering cylons. Zarek maybe got a few people killed - UNFORGIVABLE. Cylons commit genocide and nearly annihilate the human race: they become allies.

And by the way, how do these fools make an alliance with the cylons and take them all the way to Earth? Hadnt they done that after the first war where they left for 40 years and then came back? What makes these idiots think they wont do it again? And why bring them with you to the safe haven you were seeking after they destroyed your world? And then murdering your own few remaining human beings for this ill conceived alliance? Good grief...
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Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 8:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: The Oath

@Hourglass: I competently agree. If there is one thing I got out of watching Battlestar Galactica then it is that humanity is not worth saving. Episode after episode you see these people do horrible things to each other. In fact, they spend more time murdering each other than going after the actual enemy, the cylons, that by the end of the show you just find yourself rooting for the cylons. Just a few examples:

- The apparently super duper popular captain Adama once threatens to execute his officer's wife because he is leading a strike for improved working conditions of a peoples who have been working the refinery since day one and are not allowed respite unless they want a bullet in their heads.

- A group of vigilantes get together every day and votes on who they think committed treason and then they pick that person up and throw him out of an airlock. They do that with over a dozen people and when Adama and the president find out, they do absolutely nothing about it. I mean here you got about half a dozen officers and crew members, one of whom is the CO and second command, execute people based on their own private tribunal and the so called honorable leaders dont to anything about it? It was mind boggling.

- They torture, abuse and then wanna execute Baltar alleging that he collaborated with the enemy. In reality, the man was nothing more than the leader of a puppet government controlled by the cylons. He had no say over what they did to Caprica Two. The cylons, literally, put a gun to his head and said they would pull the trigger if he didnt follow orders. But Adama and the president refuse to see that. They spend episode after episode joking about how much more they would love to see Baltar suffer and how they can come up with a quick (kangaroo) trial and verdict to send him out of the airlock asap.

- The rule of law is only selectively applied, if it is applied at all. See Baltar's sham of a trial. Lee made the best speech when he pointed out it was a trial based on emotion and conjecture. As Adama himself said, he didnt even think Baltar deserved a trial. Adama is actually the quintessential authoritarian shitlord. At best a "benevolent" tyrant but a tyrant no less. If you recall at one point he just wanted to put an end to the trial altogether cause he didnt like the way Lee was questioning his girlfriend.

It is like for these people the rule of law and such are just inconveniences they are willing to tolerate as long as it produces the results they want. But it is at their discretion and they reserve the right to bypass it , and the democratic process altogether, if it suits them. Roslin often doesnt even want to address the other civilian leaders and rolls her eyes, like they were this nuisance. She is annoyed that she has to keep justifying her actions to the people under her.

- When Roslin was on the cylon ship held hostage, Adama just refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of Zarek as the VP. He just refused and then put his fucking son in charge and appointed him president. Again, straight from the authoritarian's rule book. Nepotism. Put your family members in charge of top government positions. And everyone was supposed to find THAT acceptable?

It goes on and on. You got one irredeemable worthless, morally bankrupt character after another; you see what they do to the few loyal cylons who, for all intent and purposes, are sentient beings (rape for fun, torture, murder, give them forced abortions...) and you are appalled.

On the one hand they outlaw abortion cause there are so few humans left, on the other hand their punishment for nearly every crime is execution. Seriously, almost every transgression is punished by death.

Halfway through you realize that as much as these people have made the cylons into this big bad thing that is ruining their humanity, in reality they are doing it to themselves, which, ultimately, begs the question as to why humanity is worth saving in the first place. If anything someone should warn Earth they're coming.

The only two decent characters on the show are Sharon and Carl. But by and large you kinda lose all sympathy for the rest of these garbage nightmares of people and their "cause" and actually end up rooting for the cylons,..
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Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 7:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: The Oath

Did I mention how much I fucking hate Starbuck? They should have kept that bitch dead...she is annoying as hell, unpleasant, unlikable and a real jerk.
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Ellen
Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 2:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Sometimes a Great Notion

Dualla's scenes were all nicely done and the suicide scene was amazing in a sad and tragic way. She wanted to close the chapter on a high note, after having spent a wonderful and fun evening with Lee, her love. She was holding on to that feeling in the locker room for as long as she could, humming her song, carefully putting away her wedding ring, taking one last glance at her picture as a child. There was no regret or fear in her voice. She was completely in the moment, full of clarity.

And then she ended it. No agony, no crying, no misery. No flinching or contemplating, just do it while the good feeling lasts and before the fear and panic and loss of hope appear again the way they had back on that awful planet and at the sad realization that the promised land that they had sacrificed so much for was a scorched apocalyptic wasteland.

And she played it superbly too. You could, literally, see the exact moment she decided to end her life. It was in the cockpit of the shuttle as they flew back to Galactica. She kept telling herself that it will be ok, again and again, with Helo comforting her and after a few seconds of whispering "it's gonna be ok, you gonna be ok " to herself, she then stopped. Suddenly her face stopped being all tensed up, she relaxed, her frown disappeared, her eyes stopped moving frantically as relief washed all over her. The kind of relief you feel when you know you have found the solution to a terrible ordeal, where you realize that this solution will finally put an end to the agony and pain. That you dont HAVE to deal with it anymore, that there is a way out.

I think that is when she decided to end it. And once she had made that decision and resigned herself to this fact, she could suddenly open up again and try to enjoy whatever time she had left and end it on a high note. Leave the party when you have the most fun. It was a brilliantly played coda.
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Ellen McGowen
Sat, May 7, 2016, 11:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Observer Effect

There is one little problem with this episode: the biochemistry is bogus in a very elementary way.

The virus is silicon-based; it needs silicon compounds to grow. There is no silicon in human bodies. So how could it grow in us?

I could imagine it infecting windows, wine glasses, ceramics, silicon based electronics (if such electronics are still in use in the mid 22nd century)... but not humans or animals from Earth.

Otherwise, it's an ok episode.
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