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Elderberry
Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 6:05am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

I enjoyed that a lot. It fits in with my feeling that this whole 10-parter* is as much about exploring people's (not just Picard's) reactions to PTSD as anything else.

*I've been assuming it is a 10-parter but - have IMDb always listed this as having 11 episodes? Is 'episode 11' going to be a gag reel or some such?
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Elderberry
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 3:08am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

ooof!


I'm glad that being in the part of the world that gets this a day late means I'd read spoilers and was able to skip the first bit - never can watch torture scenes - I know the TNG episode with Picard and the Romulans is great, but I have to cut it.

Otherwise - sudden change of pace, which was needed, even for those of us who enjoyed the slow build up. Moving beyond the elegiac tone set by the theme music and the Labarre scenes into a more open exploration of a group of people with PTSD all dealing with it in different ways.

Jeri Ryan brilliant as ever - didn't Seven debate that issue of executing an evil person with Janeway at some point, with a similar outcome?

I think we're soon going to get Captain Picard back - there were tiny glimpses of him today - and the general recognition of him as still part Borg is interesting.

I'm increasingly convinced Agnes is either Data or Lore, with the ditsy naivety about 'space is big!' and Maddox 'burning' the cookie ingredients something built in as a protective measure.
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Elderberry
Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 10:50am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

Most of them aren't older than me - I watched TOS on the BBC between 1969 and 1971. All the later iterations (apart from the movies) had to wait until the last decade because I didn't have a TV, so waited until I could see them on DVD. That means I had a lot of opportunity to compare and contrast. I'm enjoying STP partly because it's feeling steeped in ST, particularly TNG history - lots of echoes.

Picard was the captain, our hero, but there were always things about him that were problematic - that dichotomy between the pompous ass and the damned sexy man that Phillipa Louvois remarked on, his insistence on pursuing the Prime Directive even in morally iffy situations, his attitude to the Maquis and the Bajorans, gaslighting Sito Jaxa into volunteering for her one-way mission. I'm enjoying seeing people challenging him - they're free to do that because he isn't the Captain/Admiral any more.
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Elderberry
Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 9:52am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

"all these new guys here who never commented on anything else before"

I'm not a guy but I am new to commenting on here. I suppose everyone was new once. I didn't feel very moved to say anything about Disco - this is different. Scroll on by if I'm boring you.

Pile of paper books at the Absolute Candor HQ - wonder is Elnor a literature addict?
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Elderberry
Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 6:29am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

I'm enjoying it all more as it goes on. This one is beginning to answer one of the iffy things in TNG, a number of occasions where young boys were rescued from something-or-other, assured they would aways have a place in the Starfleet family, and then never seen again - Riker's insect 'son' Jean-Luc aka Barush for one. A bit like the way Kirk's string of one-night women was countered by Gillian in The Voyage Home (a) refusing to be left behind and (b) dumping Kirk and going off to pursue her scientific career (I'd love to see a lab with her name on).

All these people resisting J-L's charms and pointing out his sense of entitlement is becoming funnier as we go on - it's obviously justified, but we can hope it will mean that his goodness and indeed greatness will ultimatley break though years of bad habits.

Oddity - Frakes-directed stuff is always good for the female characters or for gender nuances, so the repeated references to the pilot at the end as 'he' seemed really off - worse than the F word, but similar in that a multi-cultural exploratory and diplomatic Starfleet might be expected to avoid potentially offensive language, and that includes gendered terms for unknown people - 'they' would be the obvious usage here, even now - as well as profanities. But it did set us up for an extra cheer when Seven appeared.

Nice moment - the giant transport ships suitable for rescuing people from disaster or genocide were Wallenberg class. Interesting historical reference, with its own nuances.
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Elderberry
Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 5:35am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

I'm amused when people who object to the swearing then scatter their own posts with damns and hells. Motes and beams.

otoh, they have a good point - one of the things we've seen is the need to present in ways that other cultures don't find offensive - Archers stomping around, dog in tow, Janeway with her hands on her hips - Enterprise crew eating in front of visitors - all those were learning situations, and I agree that the protocol of using language carefully would probably be a basic start point of the Federation's educational systems.

leading to the situation where this exchange can happen:

"Your use of language has altered since our arrival. It is currently laced with, shall we say, more colorful metaphors, “double dumb-ass on you” and so forth.

Oh, you mean the profanity?

Yes.

Well that’s simply the way they talk here. Nobody pays any attention to you unless you swear every other word. "


I'm not totally convinced this would have changed that much, and in that direction, in 120 years.
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Elderberry
Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 1:58am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

We saw a few examples of people relating to Data in similar ways back in the day - Pulaski, Hobson in Redemption, Maddox himself, and that was with a famous Star Fleet officer with a long backstory - I can easily imagine a group of people whose workplace has been filled with almost identical figures being nervous around them, and reacting inappropriately. Not pleasant, but understandable.

I liked Picard getting the news that the Irumodic syndrome was asserting itself, and the doctor's hint that dying in some last action might be preferable to living his last years with it - sets up an eventual ending.

I didn't like a man as fastidious in his tastes as Picard making tea by dropping a bag into a pot of cooling water. Much more shocking than any F bomb.
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Elderberry
Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 1:37pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

The Federation (or at least the Earth end of the Federation) has always been closed-minded about genetic engineering as a not particularly rational reaction to a long-ago war. Julian Bashir's story, of a child so damaged that he couldn't tell the difference between a tree and a house, being forbidden treatment, and his parents being criminalised for seeking it, is an ugly one that goes unchallenged. There's a dark heart there and always has been. I don't have a problem with that limiting mindset extending itself to synths, or to Romulans, after the wars with the Borg and the Dominion.
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Elderberry
Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 10:30am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

Another vote of thanks to Jammer.

In TNG 'Inheritance' it is explicitly stated that Data has an ageing programme, so a combination of that and Picard's dream-consciousness presenting him with a friend still the same number of years younger than himself seem enough to explain the older look. I have no problem with the dreaming - the comments in TNG 'Night Terrors' were specific to that situation - no-one was dreamng, and everyone was going nuts as a result.

First Contact opened with a Picard dream-sequence - the opening scene of this felt like a reference to that as well as to our memories of TNG.

My theory about the Discovery Klingons is that they are all products of the fashion for intense cosmetic surgery predicted as a response to the Augment virus in Enterprise. TOS Klingons were out-and-proud virus survivors who spurned surgery. Worf at al are natural Klingons.

I'm still curious to see whether this twins thing is in some way influenced by the Bynars.
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Elderberry
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 1:30pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

Index reminded me of Mr Atoz in All Our Yesterdays - I see on checking that there was a real man there, just one with many replicas (tech not specified). Still, a nice call-back to early days.

So far everything seems very consistent with Trek as we know it - definitely not the first time we've dealt with refugees- remember the DS9 one, where despite the occupation having reduced the Bajoran population by at least 5 million, the planet refused to house 1 million skilled farmers who wanted to settle there - because they were flaky smelly matriarchal foreign skilled farmers. And a lot of the Maquis discussions developed around finding new homes fro people who'd rather have stayed in their old ones.
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Elderberry
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 1:21pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

Yanks ref to the "Tea, Earl Grey, decaff" line reminds me that Admiral Janeway despised decaf (coffee) and when she ran off in Endgame, rescued her younger self and the rest of the Voyager crew and re-set the timeline, thus eliminating sundry disasters she'd lived through for two decades, drinking real coffee for the first time in years was a symbol of her new resolve.

Maybe we'll see Picard back on real tea next time.
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Elderberry
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 8:09am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

It does seem a change from TNG high-point Pax Federation to this more combative world, but it isn't a sudden flip - the Dominion wars did massive societal damage, and the Borg had already paved the way. Enterprise showed us an earlier iteration of earth turning xenophobic in response to threat - seems fairly credible.

We also can't really tell much about this society, we've just seen a few tiny glimpses of it - Chateau Picard looked as peaceful as ever - most citizens may think it unchanged - in the TNG era there was already huge and largely irrational prejudice against genetic engineering of humans - it's just extended now to synths.
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Elderberry
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 7:59am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

Enjoyed that a lot. All the comments about the uniqueness of Data made me wonder whether Picard et al ever submitted a report on Dr Juliana Tainer's little secret. Presumably she could be still 'alive' - and equipped with a lot of coding. I also wondered whether the twins thing was an echo of the Binars.
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