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Eamon
Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:34am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I guess this does follow in Andromeda’s footsteps more than it would care to admit.

Starts out with a decent premise > ignores it in favor of action hour nonsense and silly, over the top emoting about the importance of our main character.
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Eamon
Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 10:02am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@Dom

This right here! “ Discovery, even at its best, isn’t even in the same league with. The writing covers a lack of depth with forced emotion and sentimentality from characters who rarely earn the connection us, as an audience, are meant to invest.”

DIS characters may well be in awe of their universe, but they’re often so busy trying to solve the Big Bad Universe Destroying Mystery of the Season they dont get to explore...or ahem...discover....their universe.

The time jump to the 32nd century case in point. We’re told of a bleak galaxy, a broken federation, and some space syndicate filling the vacuum left behind. When did we actually explore it? Quick jump to earth, quick jump to Vulcan, one set for the federation....and two episodes in the mirror universe. Oh and it was all cuz a kid got sad and destroyed all the dilithium. End mystery. We never get to explore on this show - not the characters or the world.

Burn ham, we are told, is the glue to this world. This ship. This crew. Ok...I’m fine with that if is earned. But its rarely earned. If you have to spend 5-10 minutes every episode having characters tell us she’s great, then you’ve failed at showing us she’s great. Makes it hard to invest or care in her, or the world she inhabits but are never shown.
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Eamon
Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:24am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Can someone tell my why do I keep coming back to this? Do I feel just that fondly about the franchise that I’ll watch even though I know I wont enjoy it, and then see something that MAYBE could turn into something, but then it just falls flat like always.

What’s there to say that hasn’t already been said? This show takes a promising idea and then finds ways to dumb it down and move on without ever exploring it. More unearned payoffs than a republican senate seat.

Post-federation universe? Nah is all tied up and things are looking promising again. I was ALMOST looking forward to what a smart Trekkian take on what Andromeda could have been.

The burn? A kid screamed. Brought down half the galaxy.

Spore drive? Umm....Book can do it cuz he feeeeeeels stuff. And cuz we need to have an excuse to keep him on next season.

And Burnham. Ugh. This was the year I finally gave in and came round to it. She’s awful. Just awful. Every episode doesn’t need 20%nof its screen time devoted to heavy emoting about just how great she is. She’s not. Shoving it down our throats isn’t helping. Every star fleet captain skirted rules when it suited them. Burnham does it in such a way that it’s hard to ever root for her. If she was effective, ok. But its not just enough for her to be effective. She’s also messiah. To be fair, when Cisco became the messiah that also go pretty tiresome. And clearly there’s only room for one messiah in the Trekkiverse and his name is Patrick Picard.
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Eamon
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 2:21pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 1

First, we have disco who shits all over the federation.

Then we have Picard who proceeds to shit all over the federation and then smear it all over the federation's face.

Now we have a post-federation world. I'm starting to think the new people in charge of trek really just hate the federation and anything it stands for. hmm
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Eamon
Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 2:00am (UTC -6)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Ooo disco season 3 trailer is out!

After Picard plagiarized mass effect 3, looks like disco is taking its inspiration from that hit Kevin Sorbo show Andromeda.

The return of action hour is upon us friends. Long live the 90s
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Eamon
Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 11:16am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Ooof. Lower Decks.... was this someone’s kid’s idea of a joke that their producer relative was like “hey wait a minute??? $$$$$”

At this point, who is Star Trek for? Existing and old fans aren’t served by what Star Trek has become. All the cynical, nihilistic revisions wont make new audiences care.

Who are they producing this crap for?
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Eamon
Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 4:00am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Look there are thousands of posts explaining what a dumpster fire STP is so i wont go off on yet another one but since asked...

Distrust of foreigners:
Every portrayal in this show of an alien species was basically one of violence, subterfuge, criminality, or conspiracy. Elnor, the only alien crew member was basically a murder ninja With no personality other than his murder ninja code.

The romulans were basically a contradiction. Picard was all about saving them, caring for them, standing up for them....and then they blew up Mars. Umm. Picard is either demented or naive or both. There was literally no evidence that the Romulans in STP were worthy of trust in the old Star Trek fashion. Seems like The Federation distrusting a species that set a planet on fire killing thousands is pretty reasonable. And yet.....

Distrust of Synths:
The entire premise the romulans were working toward TURNED OUT TO BE RIGHT. What were they afraid of? That Synthetics would wipe out all life in the galaxy. First chance the synthetics got, one of them tried to wipe out all life in the galaxy while the rest of them watched. Umm. What? Seems like the Romulan fear was pretty reasonable too. And yet...

The Federation:
What federation was this? First they ban all synths, then off screen they un-ban them, but they were now protecting the very same synths that were at that exact moment trying to WIPE OUT ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY. This federation is both naive AND stupid.

I’m a liberal leaning as they come, but this anti-foreigner alt-right message, in the context of STP made total sense. Why wouldn’t the Romulans distrust synths? Why would the Federation trust the Romulans. Both sides had more than enough evidence to suspect that their fears were justified. Both the Romulans were right to fear that synths would try to kill everyone and the Federation were right to fear that the Romulans were an aggressive society who tries to harm it. Why? Oh yeah because Patrick Stewart says hey guys lets get along. Ok.

JL Picard was never shown to be a stupid man before. In this show, he was beyond an idiot. In the past he was diplomat, yes, but he was also a military commander and man of science. No evidence of that here. And yet....

Exploration:
What was explored in STP? What worlds discovered outside of murder synth world and what species were discovered other than trans-dimensional (or trans-galactic ... it was hard to tell) murder synth octopus robots.

What inner explorations where there? Agnes murdered someone in cold blood horrifically. No consequences because hey, at least she felt really really bad about it. And it wasnt her fault anyway a Romulan gave her a mind vision of murder death bots that turned out to be pretty accurate.

In the final scenes, Data makes a poignant speech about the importance of mortality. Picard obliges him by digitally euthanizing him. In the next scene Picard is alive again in a synthetic body. Is he upset at this? Is he conflicted? Is he unsure because he was just swayed by Data’s view that mortality matters? Nope. He just wants a few extra years now that he’s been resurrected. Where exactly is the exploration of the inner here?

I could go on, but its too much now. People like this thats cool. Season 1 of TNG wasnt great but it had great moments that suggested where it would go. This show was written by people who think spectacle and mystery are good substitutes for reason ethics, morality, thought and philosophy....you know, the foundation of what made Star Trek great when it was at its best.
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Eamon
Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 2:40am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

I’ve borrowed this from a friend who is both a high achieving academic and well versed Trek/pop geek.

Regarding Episode Chain of Command pt2 where Picard was tortured:
“One of the best ST TNG episodes. It tackled torture and interrogation... Unlike most depictions it was unflinching and visceral without descending into gore. Individual defiance in the face of unlimited State power was the virtue.

Post 911, shows such as 24 and others would invert this formulation and glorify the torturer as a man taking on a moral burden for the greater good. Empowering the State through brutality without regard for personal morality was the virtue.“

Compare The thought behind this to anything in STP. Can you even? TNG reached to make bold statements about the world, and did so with a maturity that I could feel as a teenager glued to my TV. TNG made me WANT to grow up to be like the men and women space diplomats who I idolized.

STP? If it tries to say anything it’s that foreigners actually are bad, progress actually is dangerous, and exploration of the world or of the self are too mundane to matter.

How can anyone say this is in keeping with Star Trek?
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Eamon
Thu, May 28, 2020, 5:14pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@jpaul

That case against Disco was dismissed in court, but it seemed more like the judge didnt really understand how one medium (TV) could possibly plagiarize another (video games). The judge’s own ruling seemed to contradict itself.

“They’re only similar insofar as they both feature adventures in space and a Tardidgrade.”

Umm yes..sooo....discovery season 1?............... maybe he didnt want DISCO season 1 past the Pilot episode either. He’d be forgiven for thinking that season would be about Klingons and not space mushroom tardigrades.

Seems like these writers and producers not only have contempt for the source material, so does Patrick Stewart (as omicron pointed out), they also think we’re oblivious too. Sad times to be a Trek fan.

Full disclosure, I’ve never paid to go to a Trek convention. I went to one once as a guest and all I could sense was a thousand people in love with the Trek world and all the people involved with it (actors, writers, producers, suits) so seemingly contemptuous of the audience. It made me realize early on that we fans have always cared a lot more about this stuff than they did, which makes sense. To them its a job. To us, we take it as part of our identity. Maybe we shouldn’t. It just TV
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Eamon
Thu, May 28, 2020, 6:14am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@omicron

“ f CBS had seriously tried to reach the goal of maximizing immediate viewership, they would have created a much better show.”

Thing is, they didnt have necessarily HAVE to make a better show. They just had to PROMISE one. We all paid upfront. They got a huge influx of cash just from the promise of more Picard and the promise of a Star Trek show for Trekkies.

When they failed to deliver, well, they still got that huge pile of sign up money and we didn’t get refunds. I wonder how many people stuck out paying till the end? Luckily for me, I’m in the UK and this was part of Amazon Prime here. I would have paid if I still lived in the US I probably would have cut my subscription after eye patch picard episode and I wonder how many have.

Either way, they got what’s important to them. An early, and large, infusion of money. And apparently sustained enough to do another season.
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Eamon
Wed, May 27, 2020, 2:12pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@omicron

Bingo. The difference between DS9 and its edgier, dark turn is that a) there was still an appreciation of the source material by the writers and b) even the characters themselves struggled with it.

Actually watching the characters of DS9 deal with the morally changing circumstances and the test of their ideals made for great viewing. It’s actually those things that elevate DS9 above TNG in my ranking. Let’s be honest, DS9 was probably equally controversial in its day. However, as the stories played out people came to still respect that there was an undercurrent of what made Star Trek unique. Even if the ideals of the federation were getting bent (or broken) there were ramifications for them. Either characters struggling with that, arguing for or against the bending of tradition, etc. There was debate WITHIN the show about “What is star trek.”.

Like you said, if you remove any of the trek packaging from the new series or new films, you’re only left with generic space show/film. Not particularly compelling as Trek or otherwise.
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Eamon
Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:39am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@nolan

I think you nailed it here. This doesnt stand on its own EITHER as a stand alone show or as a connection to a past franchise.

On the latter, it fails miserably. There is a backdrop they are working with when you label something Star Trek (barring the 2009 reboots) and then using an iconic character known for wisdom and diplomacy. STP threw all that away but without ever earning it. Why was the federation so far from its utopian ideals? Oh right because the producers said so.

If this show wasn’t as star trek show it would STILL be a failure of a TV show for all the reasons you and others have mentioned. The canned plot lines, the glaring plot holes, the lack of resolution to anything, the making-something-seem-important-only-to-be-dropped-the-next-episode storytelling. And again, the blatant plagiarism of Mass Effect 3’s story endgame that they thought no one would notice.

A show can change it’s culture. Here’s an example.... Star Trek. What? TNG was vastly different from TOS, but the changes felt organic. DS9 was vastly different to them both, but again, the changes to the universe and show culture happened because of good storytelling. I mostly blame Ron Moore for this, but hey, he had a vision for a slightly less perfect Federation. But instead of just having every cursing and having Sisko assassinate a Romulan senator, he allowed the development of the story to lead there. It felt earned and as a result of good storytelling. We could understand the Federation bending and cracking because we could see the factors that caused it.

And STP didnt score in the end. They put the ball in their own goal.
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Eamon
Wed, May 27, 2020, 2:31am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@midsh..norris

You got me. I admit it. I just watch this show so I can trash on it with internet strangers.

Not one part of me wants a good star trek show in keeping with the best it used to have to offer. Nope.

Just want trash fodder for my internet stranger circle jerk of hate.
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Eamon
Mon, May 25, 2020, 12:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

I think this is two grown people arguing over the internet about who feels the most wronged against the backdrop of a TV show about space octopi synths. Or something.

What has the back and forth resolved other than to get both of you even more enraged at your keyboards? Is there some magical resolution forthcoming? Maybe some Picard-TNG era diplomacy that’s about to drop and we’ll all fly off as friends?

Or Maybe lets all talk about Star Trek again?
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Eamon
Mon, May 25, 2020, 8:02am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Also, I’ve been coming to this site for the better part of 2 decades because the level of discussion is usually better than elsewhere - even if I don’t always contribute. (Nothing about discovery made me want to). But i guess thats me commenting on the quality of comments so maybe I will go eat my hat.
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Eamon
Mon, May 25, 2020, 8:00am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Andy’s Friend
“ are readers then not to be allowed to comment on the comments?”

If you can show me an example where this has proven constructive I’ll eat my hat. Mostly, it just turns out a bunch of people getting angry and shouting at the keyboards.


STP by its own merits has plenty to discuss. I loathed it but did watch it because I wanted to be as informed as I can about it. I think there was plenty wrong to discuss whether it was Star Trek or not. Problems in storytelling, poor characterization, etc.

Now, some people seem to like it. I cant really understand why, but I’d like to. Mertov says “the young people he knows like it”. Ok. I mean, I’m not sure thats a representative sample but I’ll take his word for it. The young people I know (I’m 40, and been coming to this site since just before the BSG era) dont even watch it nor want to.

So, if we’re using young people as a metric whose young people count more? Mertov’s, who seem to have a lower quality bar for their media, or mine, who think Star Trek is a relic of the past and dont care to engage with it no matter what Kurtzman does to it?

I personally dont think young people have a lower standard for quality. I’ve seen the shows they like and most of the ones that are hits are hits for a reason. Avatar: The last Airbender was a huge hit about 10 years ago. Why? Great characters, plotting, thematic story telling.... you know, all the things Star Trek used to do but now refuses to.

I do think young people dont care for Trek. Why would they? My son probably wont think the franchises of my youth were any cooler than I thought my dad’s were. Doesn’t meant his bar will be lower. So if young people dont care about Trek, only old timers like us, why shouldn’t we expect and hope that the creative teams serving us give us better stories? If we’re the ones buying why not serve up what we’re asking for.

Most Trek fans - the ones who care about the core ideals of the franchise - are OK with pushing the envelope and treading new ground as long as those core ideals are maintained. Even the TOS/TNG didnt always succeed at that. The TNG films failed in that regard too. There was scope in STP for a different style of story. What we got was a plagiarized video game plot that amounted to very little after a season of plot devices, plot holes, plot macguffins, and plot setups that also amounted to little. Is that good TV? When weighed against the best of what Star Trek offered, is that something to celebrate just because its got starships and recognizable nostalgia bits?

I don’t claim to be right. These are my ideas. Ideas about the show. See how much better these ideas are to discuss rather than “you said this and i said that and then you said this other thing and then you accused me of that thing and....”?
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Eamon
Mon, May 25, 2020, 5:57am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

At this point @mertov and @omicron, I have no idea what either of you are arguing about. You’ve both descended into a meta analysis argument about how each other argue. All over a TV show that isn’t very good (or is great depending on who you ask).

Can we get back to having a healthy debate about ideas, not each other?
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Eamon
Sat, May 23, 2020, 6:48am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

This show was supposed to be a character study about a beloved character....

It was, in the end, an empty show with an empty plot about refugees? Armageddon? Artificial Intelligence? Can someone tell me what the central theme of PIC was? Can someone tell me what the take away from this was? Synths are good....unless they’re octopi cuz then they’re bad...but refugees are good cuz picard says so but also don’t trust them because they maybe have a secret society inside them that will try to destabilize your society because you have....synths?

What?

Do you know what I was hoping this show would be? A show about an aging man - once great, once acclaimed - but now struggling with the diminishment of time on himself. How does a man who used to be defined by his greatness handle being less than he once was? Does he still have greatness in him and what defines his greatness? Was he really as great as we thought, and he thought, or does he have to accept hard truths about his past that maybe he never did? All in the backdrop of a utopian society that was bent and tested during the dominion war but trying to find its way back to its core ideals.

THAT would be a fresh take on Trek. THAT would utilize a talent like Stewart. THAT would boldly tell a story that Trek hasn’t yet tackled.

Nope. Instead we got convoluted mystery plot that made no sense and had one great memberberries scene at the end.....and even that scene was undercut by how stupid it was. Data in a prison of his own mind for 14 years? Yikes! Data talking about the finality of death and its importance, just to reincarnate Picard in the next scene, and them him asking for more time?? Ouch?

Oh yeah and death octopus robots stolen from a video game franchise. Ok.
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Eamon
Tue, May 19, 2020, 7:56am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Feels odd to come on to this site to discuss another review, but we life in a wild world...

Man that RLM review felt cathartic. I’ve been coming onto this site for roughly 20 years and I’ve disagreed with jammer’s take many times (part of why I like his writing is because he gives me something to think about when I dont agree). I’ve never been confused by Jammer before. If I didnt agree, I could see his viewpoint. This time, i couldn’t. To so embrace this dumpster fire of a TV show that insulted its audience, cared nothing for its source material, and spent so much time doing literally nothing, how could anyone feel so powerfully about it given how empty it was? The journey matters, as many have said.

Mike at RLM got this and in 94 minutes expressed the disaster that this show was. The arrogance and tone deafness of it. The wasted potential. The gratuitous nostalgia bait and the glaring logical inconsistencies. RLM and this comments thread have really made me know I wasn’t alone in thinking this way.

I’m older now, business owner, home owner, and a father. I was none of those things when I started reading Jammer’s blog. These days, I dont have the luxury to have my time wasted by insultingly stupid media. STP never took itself, or its audience, seriously. Thats not always bad, but in this case it was. It was cynical. Maybe Jammer’s priorities are different now too (actually, he’s said as much and I respect that!). Maybe his bar is lower while mine is higher? Maybe thats true for many of us who, after all these decades, still come here and take time to comment. I’ll always keep coming here for Jammer’s take, but I’m wondering if we’ve just grown in different directions in what we expect and accept in our media in 2020.
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Eamon
Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 8:55am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@booming

Your post, while a bit cynical, I think is ultimately correct. Remove the data scene ( well acted If not well written- let’s settle on well intentioned) and the Riker scene, you’re left with exactly as you described. A bunch of sloppy plots leading to a nothing of a confrontation and A deus ex machina ressurection. That sounds exactly like a Kurtzman inspired story if left to its own devices.

Ultimately someone slightly (but not much more) thoughtful stepped in to add something. The data scene made up for in emotional weight (to a degree) what it lacked in intellectual. You’d assume a more thoughtful writer or set of writers would have allowed picard to react more viscerally to data being essentially isolated and imprisoned in the matrix of one for two decades. How brutal and sad that would be! If data is a conscious person, that kind of isolation would someone profoundly - even an android with a mind like Data.

Unfortunately, the writers here are only a few steps above Kurtzman in their ability to think thematically. They go for the 2nd or 3rd lowest hanging fruit they can and they mostly succeed.
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Eamon
Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 7:28am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

This review feels a lot like what I felt about the episode and wrote about in an earlier post... except for one small difference.

The scene between Picard and data was brilliant and yes, it was up there with the some of the best of Star Trek. It is hard to believe these writers (who blatantly ripped off video games for their main plot) were capable of It.

No, what really sold it were the performances, particularly, Brent Spiner. To so easily drop into character after such a long hiatus, and to do so in the same episode that he played another version of another character for whom he derives showcases what skill the man has as an actor. It was not just how he delivered his lines, it was that he recaptured with seemingly no effort all the very same mannerisms that made data so memorable in the first place.

I’d forgotten just how robotic data really was. How cold and distant ( for lack of better words) but not in the strictest sense of the terms. There was always this separation between us as and him. You can see it in his reactional non- reactions. The way he tilts his chin to process the things we process emotionally so fluidly and instantaneously. The way he makes it seem like he has to crunch the numbers to understand the things we process so easily, the signals we send an receive so readily. It’s the way Data lifts his head as he’s BC about to make a point and then tilts it down or to the side to give it emphasis. So not quite human... and yet so very human.

In being so self aware, so cognizant of his limitations, and yet so unwilling to accept them... in using the only tools he had available (the power of his mind calculate as a computer would, The power of curiosity and inquiry and study).... in his failure and successes and failures to grow not grow and grow...THATis what made data human. That is what Brent Spiner imbued the character with. That not quite so human humanity that elevated him to the most human of characters. That is what the scene captured so well.

Where I diverge from Jammer is my forgiveness for the rest of the mess of the show. What he calls plots, I call tropes. This was a show that rarely cared about being interesting, and hardly ever became thoughtful. It borrowed every potential trope possible and stuffed them in all while assuming that nostalgia bait would make us not notice. Sadly, reading many of these comments, they were probably right.

How you get there is as important as what happens when you’re there. This wasn’t a journey with a payoff. This as random trope set pieces built by committee, or lazy producers, who didn’t think anyone would notice or were too dumb to care because as long as it says Star Trek and tugs on our 90s nostalgia, we’ll pay for it.

The reason the journey matters is because it should lead to the end. None of what happens in Picard leads him to that moment with Data. Picard was in a place where he would have wanted to “say good bye and give data a meaningful death” before this series started. That entire scene could stand alone as a 6 minute web short without losing any of its meaning or power...and honestly, might be better for it.

If you’re going to create a character driven show based on the exploration of a character, 1) actually do that and 2) that character should finish in a different place from where he started based on what he or she learned along he way. Closure is fine as a working theme. But Picard could have had that closure without every single thing that happened along the way. Plot matters not because it supersedes story, but because it underpins and serves it.
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Eamon
Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:45am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Tim wrote:
“ It's also weird to me that with show runners and production staff that so obviously care about Star Trek (I lost count of the number of Easter eggs and callbacks in this season) they seemingly forgot about Data's relationship with Geordi.”

Dont confuse memberberries nostalgia bait with caring.

We might care. Cast and production crews rarely care as much as we do. MAYBE the firefly and Expanse cast and crews, but by and large, actors and producers dont get as invested in this stuff as fans. TBH, most actors think pop-culture fans are weird, obsessed and kind of pathetic. Given how we react to space wizards, laser swords, pew pew guns, and how giddy we get when we hear “make it so” again after 30 years its hard not to blame them.
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Eamon
Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 10:30am (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

The Data scenes show exactly why Soji was such a terrible character. We were meant to care for Soji simply because we were 1) she’s an android, 2) in old trek you cared about Androids and 3) she’s connected to Data because the writers said so. She was given no real character arc other than having some sort of job and then suddenly realizing she was synthetic. Right.

We cared for Data because he was a more fully fleshed out person than Soji was given the chance to be. Yes, to be fair, he had 7 seasons and a bunch of movies to flesh him out sure. But from the earliest days, Data’s lack of humanity and his struggle to be human made him more human than Soji ever was on Pic.

Some of this has to do with the actor. Lets face it, Brent Spiner is amazing. He so seamlessly went back into playing Data that I’d forgotten just how NOT human Data was - and in so doing imbued him with more life and humanity than Soji was given the chance to be. His processing of Picard’s “love”, so remote so distant and so cold, but yet so uniquely Data, was the only brilliance in this series. Data’s humanity was in the trying. Rather than brushing it aside, he tried his best to understand what Jean Luc’s love meant, and actively tried to overcome his programming limitations to make it meaningful.

It’s a stark reminder that a perfectly synthetic person can never lead to as much drama as a nearly perfect one. Data’s flaws and limits made him human. This is what Brent Spiner always brought to the character. It’s a shame that Soji wasn’t given the same material because she could have been a lot more intriguing.
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Eamon
Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 5:25pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

ugh this is going to trigger a lot of people but oh well. This plot is so so bad. Stewart himself is great, and an aging, not so sharp version of the character is interesting. What isn’t interesting...mystery because MYSTERY! So let me get this right...

1) Of the hundreds of worlds and species that make up the Federation, 14 of them decide not to help the romulans and that risks making the entire federation implode? What the what? How fragile is the Federation if it would implode just because a few within it disagree with one political decision.

2) The decision to not help the Romulans happened because synthetics attacked mars. What the what? If they Synths did it, why did opinion turn against the Romulans?

3) The Tal Shar aren’t the true power behind Romulan intrigue. Really its a really really really secretive group who just dont like synths and the secret is so so so scary it would drive men mad but here’s the secret that no one is supposed to know but she knows but really its a secret. What the what? Oh yeah. MYSTERY! Why would a secret organization exist so deep within an already secret organization just to ensure synthetics dont exist? Where were they for hundreds of years? Why didnt they take out Data decades ago if they were so concerned by the existence of just one synthetic? Oh wait yeah. MYSTERY!
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Eamon
Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 5:24pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

haven’t been on your site in years Jammer and its great to see you’re still at it and that there is still a vibrant community. What I’m a bit surprised to see is how warmly you’re taking to this show. So far, I’ve found it to have all the hallmarks of Kurtzman and Abrams, and relatively few from Trek.

Between this and episode 2 we can already see that what could have been an exploration of a man who was once a “great” person deal with the devil of time and aging being quickly replaced by SCI FI MYSTERY PLOT. You know, the type that skips past any real meditative evaluations on philosophy and humanity (you know, Trek stuff) and runs us full speed ahead to MYSTERY!

And I 100% guarantee you that they are going to crib Battlestar Galactica and that the new Borg will be fully humanoid. Hell, maybe this is the launch pad for the new BSG reboot.
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