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Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
I read that both Riker's and Data's appearances in the finale were part of the reshoots.
I wonder what the test screened version was like.
I read that both Riker's and Data's appearances in the finale were part of the reshoots.
I wonder what the test screened version was like.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@ Gooz
I hope you're kidding.
I might not be a big fan of Keiko, but I'd watch her nag Miles for a whole episode rather than a sitcom starring Fran Drescher.
@ Gooz
I hope you're kidding.
I might not be a big fan of Keiko, but I'd watch her nag Miles for a whole episode rather than a sitcom starring Fran Drescher.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Thirdspace
Some special tech opens a gate and is the only way some evil species can come in and destory us all. These destroyers seem about that and the synths are being conned to do what it takes to let them in.
Thirdspace
Some special tech opens a gate and is the only way some evil species can come in and destory us all. These destroyers seem about that and the synths are being conned to do what it takes to let them in.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@ Yanks
Here's my perspective as a 40 year old guy who happens to be gay.
I went the first 20 years without any gay characters in genre fiction. I saw no one like me dealing with the unique aspects of gay existence as well as whatever difficulties the plot presented.
If there WAS a gay character, it would be either be a villian (mirror-Kira), a psychopath (The Kid in The Stand), a Queen (The Birdcage) or an saintly AIDS victim.
Yes, I'll agree that Hollywood is over-correcting somewhat (especially since infidelity seems to be the most common plot development gay characters encounter), but I'm happy that kids today (that are watching intelligent programming like "The Society" or "The Orville" or what-have-you) get to have someone they can see themselves it.
It's a lot better than the way I felt when I younger: that the only like-minded characters I saw were either damaged, diseased or comic relief.
@ Yanks
Here's my perspective as a 40 year old guy who happens to be gay.
I went the first 20 years without any gay characters in genre fiction. I saw no one like me dealing with the unique aspects of gay existence as well as whatever difficulties the plot presented.
If there WAS a gay character, it would be either be a villian (mirror-Kira), a psychopath (The Kid in The Stand), a Queen (The Birdcage) or an saintly AIDS victim.
Yes, I'll agree that Hollywood is over-correcting somewhat (especially since infidelity seems to be the most common plot development gay characters encounter), but I'm happy that kids today (that are watching intelligent programming like "The Society" or "The Orville" or what-have-you) get to have someone they can see themselves it.
It's a lot better than the way I felt when I younger: that the only like-minded characters I saw were either damaged, diseased or comic relief.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@ Nolan
After reading your comment, I'll second that an episode/ scene of Seven grappling with her sexuality (as you describe) would have been powerful.
I hope the Powers That Be are paying attention.
@ Nolan
After reading your comment, I'll second that an episode/ scene of Seven grappling with her sexuality (as you describe) would have been powerful.
I hope the Powers That Be are paying attention.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@ Tim
I forgot to address your last point.
Imagine if The Orville didn't exist and this was all we had Trek-wise (a scary thought, I know).
It's sad the Trek showrunners are so tone-deaf, but sinking a franchise is their cross to bear. Besides, it doesn't erase the legacy of everything that came before.
Anyways, I'll take my Trek-done-right anywhere I can get it and The Orville gets the job done.
@ Tim
I forgot to address your last point.
Imagine if The Orville didn't exist and this was all we had Trek-wise (a scary thought, I know).
It's sad the Trek showrunners are so tone-deaf, but sinking a franchise is their cross to bear. Besides, it doesn't erase the legacy of everything that came before.
Anyways, I'll take my Trek-done-right anywhere I can get it and The Orville gets the job done.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
@ Tim
I can't speak for others, but as for myself:
I have no issue with any kind of relationship being portrayed on any show as long as both participants are sentient willing adults.
But these developments weren't shown (OR told) to the viewer whatsoever.
Suddenly Seven is a part of the crew and is dating someone? How was there enough time for these things to happen? Furthermore, how did we get from Point A to Point B?
It comes across as implausible .... and as a bungled attempt to score "woke" points (not to be political, just my opinion).
@ Tim
I can't speak for others, but as for myself:
I have no issue with any kind of relationship being portrayed on any show as long as both participants are sentient willing adults.
But these developments weren't shown (OR told) to the viewer whatsoever.
Suddenly Seven is a part of the crew and is dating someone? How was there enough time for these things to happen? Furthermore, how did we get from Point A to Point B?
It comes across as implausible .... and as a bungled attempt to score "woke" points (not to be political, just my opinion).
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
Two other things that I hated about the last episode upon rewatch:
#1. Raffi saying Picard's M.O. is to "always interfere". Since when?
#2. Gamadan sure sounds an awful lot like Ramadan. Lazy writing.
I am a little surprised more people here aren't annoyed by such a similarity: if the destruction of the universe by synthetic life was called "Gristmas", I believe the response would be vociferous.
Two other things that I hated about the last episode upon rewatch:
#1. Raffi saying Picard's M.O. is to "always interfere". Since when?
#2. Gamadan sure sounds an awful lot like Ramadan. Lazy writing.
I am a little surprised more people here aren't annoyed by such a similarity: if the destruction of the universe by synthetic life was called "Gristmas", I believe the response would be vociferous.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
This is just my opinion
I can't imagine "Nepenthe" or "Magic etc" beating out the best out of the 726 Trek episodes pre STP-STD.
Personally, I wouldn't put any episodes from either new series anywhere in my top 20. Actually,I probably wouldn't put anything STP/STD-related in my top THREE HUNDRED episodes.
This is just my opinion
I can't imagine "Nepenthe" or "Magic etc" beating out the best out of the 726 Trek episodes pre STP-STD.
Personally, I wouldn't put any episodes from either new series anywhere in my top 20. Actually,I probably wouldn't put anything STP/STD-related in my top THREE HUNDRED episodes.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
The Borg didn't have much to do with the plot, did it? You could've excised that whole part of the season and it would've had no effect on the conclusion.
The Borg didn't have much to do with the plot, did it? You could've excised that whole part of the season and it would've had no effect on the conclusion.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
One other editing choice I wish they directors would stop doing:
The hyperkinetic camera angle changes are really annoying. It makes me wonder if they are splicing and stitching together different takes.... I end up looking for continuity goofs and sound mixing clues instead of focusing on the overall presentation.
One other editing choice I wish they directors would stop doing:
The hyperkinetic camera angle changes are really annoying. It makes me wonder if they are splicing and stitching together different takes.... I end up looking for continuity goofs and sound mixing clues instead of focusing on the overall presentation.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2
A magic problem solving handheld device.
Killing Data AGAIN in a disturbing fashion.
Killing Picard and replacing him with a clone.
Ugly new ship designs.
Ridiculous fight scenes.
Killing Romulan incest sister by copying a famous Star Wars .
Agnes gets off scot free.
Seven leaves the cube to join the crew .... why?
Are 7 and Raffi girlfriends now?
Why wasn't Picard upset they copied him without consent?
Why wouldn't he try to talk Data into living longer? Surely being trapped by himself in a quantum simulation wasn't good for his mental health.
What happened to Narek?
The galactic synth ban is now over just like ... that? Three Romulans face no consequences?!
I just ... yeah, I didn't really like the narrative choices at all.
The acting was good, that was it. Very anticlimactic!!!!
1.5 stars
A magic problem solving handheld device.
Killing Data AGAIN in a disturbing fashion.
Killing Picard and replacing him with a clone.
Ugly new ship designs.
Ridiculous fight scenes.
Killing Romulan incest sister by copying a famous Star Wars .
Agnes gets off scot free.
Seven leaves the cube to join the crew .... why?
Are 7 and Raffi girlfriends now?
Why wasn't Picard upset they copied him without consent?
Why wouldn't he try to talk Data into living longer? Surely being trapped by himself in a quantum simulation wasn't good for his mental health.
What happened to Narek?
The galactic synth ban is now over just like ... that? Three Romulans face no consequences?!
I just ... yeah, I didn't really like the narrative choices at all.
The acting was good, that was it. Very anticlimactic!!!!
1.5 stars
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
I wonder when they will go and find Dr Baltar who can make a test to find out who is Cylon ... oh, I mean synth, and who is an actual organic humanoid. Seems a lot of the fan talk is thinking that some of our main characters will be synths.
I see too much BSG reboot in this . I never expected this to be a series about synthetic life versus organic life and a war is coming.
I wonder when they will go and find Dr Baltar who can make a test to find out who is Cylon ... oh, I mean synth, and who is an actual organic humanoid. Seems a lot of the fan talk is thinking that some of our main characters will be synths.
I see too much BSG reboot in this . I never expected this to be a series about synthetic life versus organic life and a war is coming.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
@ AR-558
Afinal thought:
As companies now seem to favor "letting people go" as their preferred term for giving someone the axe, it won't be long before it dawns on employees that being "let go" is the same as being "dropped".
And so the (rather pointless) linguistic cycle will continue ....
@ AR-558
Afinal thought:
As companies now seem to favor "letting people go" as their preferred term for giving someone the axe, it won't be long before it dawns on employees that being "let go" is the same as being "dropped".
And so the (rather pointless) linguistic cycle will continue ....
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
@ AR-558
My point isn't that "firing" should not be alamentable term, but that it's intended replacement ("terminating") is now as equally laden with pejorative implications as its predecessor. It is a linguistic Band Aid for a fundamentally human perceptual problem
The older I get, the more it ffeels vaguely 1984-ish when perfectly useful words are tossed aside because a minority of people misuse them as an insult and another minority are sensitive to offense at such comments.
In the case of aging, descriptive terms like "geriatric" & "elderly" and functional words like "senile" & "feeble" shouldn't be consigned to a dust heap.
Language isn't (or shouldn't be) an Etch-A-Sketch that gets shaken clean everytime someone offends or is offended.
@ AR-558
My point isn't that "firing" should not be alamentable term, but that it's intended replacement ("terminating") is now as equally laden with pejorative implications as its predecessor. It is a linguistic Band Aid for a fundamentally human perceptual problem
The older I get, the more it ffeels vaguely 1984-ish when perfectly useful words are tossed aside because a minority of people misuse them as an insult and another minority are sensitive to offense at such comments.
In the case of aging, descriptive terms like "geriatric" & "elderly" and functional words like "senile" & "feeble" shouldn't be consigned to a dust heap.
Language isn't (or shouldn't be) an Etch-A-Sketch that gets shaken clean everytime someone offends or is offended.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
@ AR-558
I'm simply musing about how the good intentions- behind replacing linguistic terms with baggage- ultimately becomes a shell game of words, each replacing the previous with increasing rapidity (probably due to the immediate reactionary nature of the internet). It seems like fool's errand with nothing in its wake but a bunch of words being robbed of their intended utility.
No other implication was intended.
@ AR-558
I'm simply musing about how the good intentions- behind replacing linguistic terms with baggage- ultimately becomes a shell game of words, each replacing the previous with increasing rapidity (probably due to the immediate reactionary nature of the internet). It seems like fool's errand with nothing in its wake but a bunch of words being robbed of their intended utility.
No other implication was intended.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
@ Jason R.
The best in that series is obviously "Leprechaun In The Hood".
@ Jason R.
The best in that series is obviously "Leprechaun In The Hood".
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
Remember when "terminate" was constrained a preferable buzzword for companies to use (in lieu of "firing")? How about when the term "colored people" was considered progressive? (We're back to "People of Color" being in vogue, though: it's the circle of life).
The problem with any euphemism is that it eventually takes on the negative aspects of whatever word it was intended to replace.
This linguistic cycling doesn't really do much other than mask a more basic issue: certain things have negative connotations because, fair or not, they aren't viewed as preferable outcomes.
All the linguistic backflips in the world won't change this fundamental fact of human nature .... while it robs us of perfectly useful and well-defined terminology.
Remember when "terminate" was constrained a preferable buzzword for companies to use (in lieu of "firing")? How about when the term "colored people" was considered progressive? (We're back to "People of Color" being in vogue, though: it's the circle of life).
The problem with any euphemism is that it eventually takes on the negative aspects of whatever word it was intended to replace.
This linguistic cycling doesn't really do much other than mask a more basic issue: certain things have negative connotations because, fair or not, they aren't viewed as preferable outcomes.
All the linguistic backflips in the world won't change this fundamental fact of human nature .... while it robs us of perfectly useful and well-defined terminology.
Re: ORV S1: Firestorm
@ Booming
But the DVDs let you enjoy all the fun stuff like deleted scenes and commentary tracks! Being old school has its benefits.
@ Booming
But the DVDs let you enjoy all the fun stuff like deleted scenes and commentary tracks! Being old school has its benefits.
Re: ORV S1: Firestorm
@ ODTP and Booming
That seems expensive.
The Season 2 DVD (with extras) was on sale for 13 bucks at Target a few weeks ago.
@ ODTP and Booming
That seems expensive.
The Season 2 DVD (with extras) was on sale for 13 bucks at Target a few weeks ago.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
te: the episode title
The title is lifted from a pretty famous painting. It's unfortunate the writers couldn't use that artwork's backstory as a springboard to a more Trekkian (and a less Michael Bay) exploration of ethics.
A decent script would have these characters debating what it means to be alive, the ethics of "us vs. them" thinking, mortality influencing choices, etc.
There are so many potential directions they could go in with this material, yet instead we get backstabbing main characters (because surprises), paper-thin villains that should be tying damsels to railroad tracks and lotsa explosions and swearing.
It's occasionally entertaining, but it's very very dumb: it's Bro-Trek (if it's any kind of Trek at all).
te: the episode title
The title is lifted from a pretty famous painting. It's unfortunate the writers couldn't use that artwork's backstory as a springboard to a more Trekkian (and a less Michael Bay) exploration of ethics.
A decent script would have these characters debating what it means to be alive, the ethics of "us vs. them" thinking, mortality influencing choices, etc.
There are so many potential directions they could go in with this material, yet instead we get backstabbing main characters (because surprises), paper-thin villains that should be tying damsels to railroad tracks and lotsa explosions and swearing.
It's occasionally entertaining, but it's very very dumb: it's Bro-Trek (if it's any kind of Trek at all).
Re: ORV S1: Firestorm
"Mad Idolatry "and "About a Girl" are pretty good too, but yeah, "Firestorm" is probably the best Season 1 episode.
I'm genuinely interested to see his reaction during the back half of Season 2. Only a Trekkie with a heart of stone couldn't be won over, imho. It gets SO good!
"Mad Idolatry "and "About a Girl" are pretty good too, but yeah, "Firestorm" is probably the best Season 1 episode.
I'm genuinely interested to see his reaction during the back half of Season 2. Only a Trekkie with a heart of stone couldn't be won over, imho. It gets SO good!
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
I think a sizable percentage of people are a little more stressed than they'd typically be. That might be playing out in the comments section.
I wouldn't take much of this personally (whichever side of the "Is-STP-Ttek?" debate you're on).
Venting about Trek might be the healthiest mental outlet some commenters have.
I think a sizable percentage of people are a little more stressed than they'd typically be. That might be playing out in the comments section.
I wouldn't take much of this personally (whichever side of the "Is-STP-Ttek?" debate you're on).
Venting about Trek might be the healthiest mental outlet some commenters have.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
For the record, as a Trek episode I'd rank this a LOT lower. This plot had more holes than swiss cheese.
As Burke mentioned above: mind-melding androids.
This show is fantasy dressed up in sci-fi cosplay. But I did enjoy this episode considering what it is.
For the record, as a Trek episode I'd rank this a LOT lower. This plot had more holes than swiss cheese.
As Burke mentioned above: mind-melding androids.
This show is fantasy dressed up in sci-fi cosplay. But I did enjoy this episode considering what it is.
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1
I guess I liked it(!)
Things happened in this episode that were interesting and mostly were logical plot developments. Actually, to get more basic: things happened.
Why it took 9 episodes to get to this point is a mystery to me .... but once I set aside my numerous "but how ...." questions, it was enjoyable in its own somewhat predictable way. (I could write a massive list of contrivances and plot holes for this episode, but I won't).
I could actually feel a little humanity in Picard's plucky crew and it was a nice balance to the otherworldly presentation of the synth planet. Kudos to Raffi's and Rios's performers, these actors are really good at what they do. (As far as Rios and Agnes go, I don't like them as a couple).
Of course Agnes was going to betray the crew, I really really detest this character .... she needs to be written off in the next episode.
The Romulan Warbird redesign is not very elegant, I'm not a fan. Also, were the space orchids intended to look hilarious? I only ask because I laughed.
Overall I think this was actually a 3 star episode .... it might not feel or be much like classic Trek, but at least this was entertaining in a Flash Gordon/ Star Wars sort of way.
I guess I liked it(!)
Things happened in this episode that were interesting and mostly were logical plot developments. Actually, to get more basic: things happened.
Why it took 9 episodes to get to this point is a mystery to me .... but once I set aside my numerous "but how ...." questions, it was enjoyable in its own somewhat predictable way. (I could write a massive list of contrivances and plot holes for this episode, but I won't).
I could actually feel a little humanity in Picard's plucky crew and it was a nice balance to the otherworldly presentation of the synth planet. Kudos to Raffi's and Rios's performers, these actors are really good at what they do. (As far as Rios and Agnes go, I don't like them as a couple).
Of course Agnes was going to betray the crew, I really really detest this character .... she needs to be written off in the next episode.
The Romulan Warbird redesign is not very elegant, I'm not a fan. Also, were the space orchids intended to look hilarious? I only ask because I laughed.
Overall I think this was actually a 3 star episode .... it might not feel or be much like classic Trek, but at least this was entertaining in a Flash Gordon/ Star Wars sort of way.
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