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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 9:54pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

You know what, it's been a good run, but I kind of feel like I was just made to look like a fool.

I'm certain I was responding with the same exact language I read.

I'm not going to sit here wondering if I was hallucinating or if I'm being gaslit. That was a direct quote.

I know the intent wasn't malicious, but the result is the same. I look unhinged, rude and even more "off topic" instead of replying in a dialectical yet conciliatory manner.

It's just a small thing in the grand scheme and I'm just one admittedly VERY eccentric guy , but for whatever reason, I'm sometimes triggered by odd peccadilloes. Chief among them: when anyone edits their post so a respondee (especially me) looks worse than they would in the original context.

Then again, I brought it on myself for going off topic, I guess. This isn't my playpen, right?

Then why do I feel like I was just ever-so- slightly clowned?

My only response is this (forgive the Trek paraphrase): You won the conversation and all it cost you was one user and your self-respect.

It is unfortunate, but I have too much baggage to deal with this sort of situation, unintended it may be. This is just a little too much like interacting with my mother for my taste. so I will bow out gracefully.

I wish everyone well, Jammer included.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 9:18pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

When I referred to "the conversation didn't happen", I could swear I was responding verbatim to someone else's word choice, but I suppose I could be mistaken.

I guess that's my cue to do something else.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 9:07pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@ Rahul

That affirmation of my skepticism actually felt pretty nice. It's good to know I'm not the only one.

I know this isn't the place.

I'm pushing the boundaries just to have a real give-and-take and that's not what this space is for. I guess I'm just chafing under this unnatural intellectual restriction and .... yeah, it's not fair to Jammer.

I'll stop making excuses.

Let me know if you find that fabled place online where all political and philosophical thoughts are tolerated.

It used to be everywhere online and now it's nowhere to be found.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 7:58pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

And for the record, I think BOTH parties cheated. That's the only way a number above 90% voting can happen.

I'm not being partisan, I'm bemoaning the death of democracy.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 7:52pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I will apologize again.

In my (somewhat weak) defense, the group of people here are the smartest I know and, unlike everywhere else, they'll (mostly) actually engage on topics without being incessantly tribal over things. I know it's wrong-ish, but I itch for these conversational tangents because I know I'll get a lot of interesting perspectives instead of invective.

For the record, I have to point out that any skepticism of the 2020 results has been met with overwhelming resistance and censorship on every major platform on the internet since a few days after the election.

That is what it is .... but I actually DON'T feel like that conversation really ever happened.

Everyone was quarantined last winter so the internet became our public voices.

When I tried to engage this subject using my voice in the few platforms I have a presence, my posts were either deleted or "corrected" and I wasn't even presenting any partisan skew. I was just looking at the numbers and scratching my head.

But that's my problem.

Anyways, again, I'm sorry and I will try my best to stay on topic.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 7:31pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@ Jason

I highly doubt ANY President actually feels Armageddon is a viable option. Mutually assured destruction usually takes care of that threat.

The only way it would escalate that far over Taiwan is if Joe goes out of his way to intervene overtly with the military. Do you honestly believe he would do that?

I don't .... and I'm sure the Chinese do too.

I don't think Joe wants to be the President that resides over an America filed with craters where Democrats used to be. Biden would definitely blink first and the media/Dems would immediately rationalize it away as bold leadership.

I'm just speculating, of course, but I'm not coming from a place of compete ignorance.

I hope I'm right, because if I'm wrong, then we're all dead in a nuclear inferno.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 7:09pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

If Joe doesn't resign or have another aneurysm, he WILL be 25th'ed out of there. Oops, did I say 25th'ed?

25th.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 7:07pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@ James

Point out where I'm wrong.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 6:46pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Joe Biden would never launch a nuke to save Taiwan. He's all bluster and the governments of the world know it.

Beasties, if he does any interventionist military action, it will damage his party and his disloyal underlings will 25th him ahead of schedule.

Joe doesn't want be to be the first President put in a home.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 6:34pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

And I broke down how implausible they are.

That wasn't an election, that was a power grab.

PS Sorry for the multiple posts, Jammer. I really appreciate the latitude.

I just felt I should forensically break down the reasoning behind my mistrust. I didn't want anyone to think it was based on some political "team sport" mentality.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 6:15pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

The 8,232 I subtracted (the second number) referred to felons who are barred from voting.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 6:13pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

In the last year of reliable record keeping, it is estimated there are 45, 038 new immigrants in Dane County, 62% of which are undocumented/illegal. So that's about 27,900 illegal immigrants in Dane County.

560,000 minus 27,900 = 532,100 total possible voters

The average percent of Wisconsinites who are ineligible to vote is 1.47%. An urban area would have higher numbers, but let's assume that number is extendable to Dane County. That's another 8232 people off your number.

532,100 - 8,232= 523,868

Now, let's subtract everyone with dementia who cannot care for themselves. At any given time, that number is between 5-8% of the adult population. Even though I personally know that there are a lot of senior high rises in Madison, I will go with the lowest estimate of 5%.

5% of 560,000 = 23,000

523,868 - 23,000 = 500,868

There is no post- death screening for people who recently died but still voted in Dane County by absentee ballot. If the going death rate on any given day is .179 of 100,000 people, then at least a fraction of that number should be included for the people who died in the 3 months after ballots were mailed. That would be 25% of 1.79 percent. .4475 percent. That's another 2,506 votes.

500,868 -2,506 = 498,362

And I generated that number using the most conservative of estimates.

Now let's subtract the 24% that are children.

498,362 - 134,400 = 363,962 eligible adults total (including everyone who doesn't register to vote)

Let's be crazy and 100% of Dane County citizens are all registered.

Let's also assume not one student voted improperly.

So I used the lowest estimates and granted you the most leniency.

If I do that, that means 93.4% of all adults voted.

93.4%!!!!

Don't fault me if you actually trust numbers like that ... but I'm sure Kim Jong Il would be happy that someone actually believes crazy numbers like that.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 5:38pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

And James, you pulled a fast one there.

There is a sizable percent of the population who aren't legal citizens but are still counted. A sizable percent are felons and can't vote. A large amount of the elderly population does not have power of attorney over themselves and are incapable of voting.

Subtract all those people and my numbers look better and better!
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 5:34pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I typed "99%" originally? 🤣 Oops, my phone keyboard is reslly dinky.

Yeah, that should have been called out.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 5:31pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

And that 76% number wasn't screened for double votes in other states

Also, Madison is a college town and many students voted there despite living at home during the pandemic. You're supposed to be a resident of Madison to vote there.

Dead voters weren't screened out either.

That quote of 90% (of the people actually legally qualified to vote) is very likely right on the money.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 5:28pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I worked door-to-door in Madison for over a year and I promise you there's no universe where even two thirds of the population would bother to vote, nevermind 76% in Madison or over 80% in the county. Minnesota is equally if not more politically active percent-wise and they were no where near those numbers of engagement.

But whatever, like I said, "so believable".
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 10:40am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S2: Samaritan Snare

@ Gion

The episode is built like a season of Picard and Discovery.

The characters behave like idiots guided by their emotions. The antagonists are so one-dimensional as to be unbelievable. The resolution to the drama is implausible and anti-climactic.

None of it makes any sense when you start to analyze it.

It's one of the worst episodes of TNG, in my humble opinion.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 10:20am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

And if I were Taiwanese, yes, I'd be worried. But almost no countries recognize Taiwan as an independent nation and no one has a mutual defense treaty with them. We will still sabre-rattle, but so far the threat has been enough to check them.

But the world knows Biden's threats are empty (much like Obama's threats were with Russia/Ukraine, North Korea and Iran). Hence, the current paradigm of every old grudge being unleashed. (The media will present no linkage that might hurt Biden: case in point the current gas shortages and Biden's shutting down the new pipeline and domestic energy production. Not a peep about that causal connection from the "truth tellers".)

Biden will renege on any American promises for support, that is a given. (Kamala has something to prove so I suspect she'd jump at the chance to get into a confrontation).

Side note:

How convenient (for China) that Biden somehow got 2 million more votes than a electrifying figure like Obama and certain swing states had so many dead and double voters and no one compared signatures or fingerprints. 99% turnout in a city of 250,000 people (Madison, WI)? Yeah, so believable.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 10:07am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I'm not knocking you for visiting there, I just remember students being run over with tanks like it was yesterday and I personally have zero desire to interact with such a goverment.

As far as your second point goes, we elected a weak puppet and that's why a lot of bad actors on the world stage are emboldened. Jimmy Carter 2.0.
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Dave in MN
Sun, May 16, 2021, 5:48am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

China has been a brutal country for decades. Tianemen Square, for example.

I would never visit or spend money in such a barbaric country, but that's just me.
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Dave in MN
Fri, May 14, 2021, 5:50pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: Emissary

Yet they were in the Alpha Quadrant for 7 episodes of TNG.

It would be 100% plausible if the Borg had apoeared in DS9.
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Dave in MN
Fri, May 14, 2021, 3:23pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: Emissary

I never understood why the Borg wast a bigger focus on Voyager than DS9.

I would have LOVED to see Sisko tango with the Borg again at least once. Volcanically angry Sisko is the best Sisko.
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Dave in MN
Wed, May 12, 2021, 11:00am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I think you'd have to be nihilistic to decide that the best course of action is to consolidate and increase governmental power while eroding/ eliminating the rights of individuals. What's worse is using a cloak of utilitarianism to mask the true intentions to socially engineer a race-based utopia.

If there's no reason behind anything, then any action is justified. That's part of the reason Communist countries did their best to stamp out religions.
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Dave in MN
Wed, May 12, 2021, 9:25am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

It's funny, I have no issue with LGBT people presented in a complicated nuanced way. As wolfstar once put it, "gay characters can be the hero OR the villian".

IHowever, I gotta agree with Booming that Picard does a TERRIBLE job at presenting alternative lifestyles in a fair manner. Every LGBT character is addicted to substances, mentally unbalanced, damaged and violent.

Homophobic viewers watching PIC ends up having their stereotyped opinions validated, and that's a true shame.

Sadly, I don't find it surprising that the "woke" people involved in the production actually aren't. These same people are Tweeting about how blacks are too poor and dumb to use a goverment issued I.D to vote.

The reality is a bunch of bigots are running nu-Trek.
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Dave in MN
Tue, May 11, 2021, 11:26pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@ Nolan

That emotional encitement also comes from one's own side (and I would posit is just as strong-if not stronger- a motivator for a lack of receptivity to even-handed debate).

As we see in the current day, everything is framed ss a stark binary with "good" and "bad" actors. The ends justify the means because one's goals are noble. Compromising is viewed as weakness. Forging one's own path is viewed as heresy and a betrayal.

There's no nuance when a philosophy becomes dogma and every issue is a political purity test.

To extend this point to Trek: Dogmatic programming isn't fun to watch, it's just propaganda with a bigger budget.

This anti-dramatic effect is magnified when the fear of offending anyone eliminates the kind of narrative choices that would make for compelling viewing.

Catering to an audience with such strict dogmatic demands definitely makes for simplistic un-Trek-like television.
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