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Dave in MN
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 8:12am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Brother

This episode was not very good at all, but I guess anything can look like a rose if it's surrounded by shit.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 9:44pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes

Also, was that Jeffrey Combs (!) I saw there as the Krill captain?! I wasn't paying attention during the credits.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 9:38pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes

That's a good question.

I settled on a 3.5 for last week's .... it was a great episode, but a 4 star? It was missing that certain something 4 star entertainment offers.

I'm not sure what my criteria is for that: the only commonalities I can think of would be A) rewatchability & B) a statement/ conversation about the human condition that actually effects how I interpret the world from here on out. (A great music score also helps, haha).
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 9:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes

Ive ignored spoilers so I was greatly surprised and entertained by this episode. F

I'm really happy we got a chance to take a real look at what makes Gordon tick.

Man, his acting was great: I could see the sadness underneath the surface of Malloy's jokey exterior. I do like that we never got to see Gordon succeed at the Command Test. It shouldn't be easy.

Man, Kelly really is a good officer: she's insightful, firm, fair and intelligent. She made a great mentor (and it was clever and meta to show (not tell us) what being in command is all about.

Besides exploring those issues, we touched on so many things in this episode: existentialism, relationships, war, diplomacy, intrigue, societies tackling a universe filled with sentient life.... and all of it dovetailed neatly. A wonderful exploration of just what it means to be a Union officer.

The new baddies (the space orcs with badass ships) look like another fun new species to learn about... did they say what their name was?

The Krill spy actress really emotes well, considering how much makeup/ prosthetics she's wearing. (I agree with Ed, there's NO way she was faking it the entire time!) Great use of the Billy Joel music in the final scene.

The Trek feel was SO strong in this one, but at the same time, it had that Orville twist. ("He will fail.") The great orchestral music, VFX, and writing make this one a strong 3.5 for me.

Can't wait for next week!!!!





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Dave in MN
Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 9:15am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

@ Booming

Since we are sharing amusing conspiracy theories, here's one to ponder:

This is the second time you've launched a passionate completely one- sided defense of Dougie's trolling in as many weeks ... it's illlogical to be triggered by our comments pointing out the glee at which Dougie will eviscerate an episode NO ONE else thinks is a stinker.

Why do you gloss over his penchant for criticizing the actors for their body types, hair styles, age, and personal lives? Is it ok to make fun of actual humans for losing their hair? His commentary HAS been catty.

It makes me wonder if all that sock puppet talk of Dougie's was really psychological projection.

Having a white knight like you show up to defend him right when he needs it most is certainly a interesting development.
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Dave in MN
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 8:48pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

The only time I had a different username was when I used "Dave in NC" during the years I lived there.

Alas, not a puppet ... an amusing theory, I laughed.

And to answer the question above:

When TNG went back to Earth in "Family", was it space based sci-fi? How many angels can dance on a head of a pin?

I'd venture to say that anything that expands the Orville universe as much as seeing an alien planet's culture, flora/fauna and technology would qualify. Also, bonus points have to be credited for using shuttles and anti- grav tech prominently in the plot.
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Dave in MN
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 8:24pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

@Slacker

They killed off Brian, replaced him with another dog, and then resurrected him after one episode with the new character.

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Dave in MN
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 3:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

What non-nefarious reason do you for demanding commenters private I.P.s?! You don't need to know who and where we are just because you don't like our opinions.

Besides the fact that traffic to this site would tank almost immediately, giving out such private information would be opening up users to personal harassment, intimidation and potential hacking.

If anyone posting here is under the age of 18, such an action may actually be criminal in certain jurisdictions.
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Dave in MN
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 8:54am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

Omicron, I agree with you, but at this juncture, it's kind of pointless to get upset about it.

I went back and checked and, besides the catty comments about the actors' personal lives, he's detested 13 out of the 15 episodes aired thus far ... it isn't really worth expending the energy.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 12:30am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

I just watched it again and while I'm too exhausted to post a bunch at the moment, I must say taking the plot in a Alfred Hitchcock direction really made the rest of the episode resonate.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 9:05pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

Oh, and the tonsl change that happened when Alara's dad and Dr. Phlox were talking dinner ... that caught me TOTALLY off guard. That actually got under my skin.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 9:01pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

I'll have to rewatch it ASAP to see the part that got preempted, but I think that was the Orville's first 4 star episode.

I'm sad Alara left even though I knew it was coming. The final shot (I won't spoil it) was .... touching.

I'll comment more once I see the full uninterrupted episode.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 8:30pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Home

The local affiliate interrupted ten minutes of the episode for a news story with literally no specifics. I am pissed!!
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Dave in MN
Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 8:01pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S4: Identity Crisis

The fact that "Miss Klingon Empire" is an actual thing gives me hope for the world. ;)
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Dave in MN
Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 7:16pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

I'd rather watch flawed characters I can identify with & relate to than walking paragons of virtue.

For the record, I've noticed a definite change in what constitutes a professional workplace just in the 25 years I've been working.

Casual Fridays have become casual everydqys. Tattoos and piercings are no longer prohibited. Use if personal tech is tolerated. And so on.

Think about casual things might be 400 years in the future, especially if machines can do almost everything for us for free.

I don't think the Orville is as implausible as you believe.
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Dave in MN
Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 7:59am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

I'm not circumcised and thank God for that. Take it from me: the extra skin so many people view as optional has quite a bit to contribute to an orgasm.

I'm VERY glad my parents didn't mutilate me.
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Dave in MN
Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 10:06pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

^

That's actually a fair question.

I don't know how I'd grade comedy based SOLELY on humor value ... it's very subjective on what makes great comedy, butthen again, almost anyone can agree on what makes failed comedy. (Pauly Shore, Carrot Top, etc) Would I rate it based on my personal tastes or likelihood of appealing to the audience? Hmmm. And what would be 4 star TV comedy?

But, again, the show is much more than a comedy: there's often multiple plot threads running through the show and the philosophical Trek-like elements .... from being a regular reader of Jammer, he seems to base his star reviews not just on content, but on integration of elements.

I grade this higher than him, but I get his reasons ... and honestly, it's his website. He can rate it three bananas and a redwood tree if he wants. ;)
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Dave in MN
Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 12:49pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

The Orville has a huge audience when DVR replays and online steams are calculated (called the +3 ratings).

The season premiere picked up over 3 million viewers in the +3s ... no other show on TV comes close in the +3s (which doesn't calculate pirated views, by the way).

Besides, once you factor in DVD sales (which have been brisk), merchandising profits and sizable tax credits, its obvious the show is doing ok.

Let's not proclaim the sky is falling quite yet.
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Dave in MN
Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 9:13pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

@ Dougie

No matter the reason, I'm actually happy you enjoyed this episode!

It definitely touched upon many subjects in unique ways and it was humorous to boot (in my very subjective opinion).
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Dave in MN
Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 8:23am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

Humans are sentient, the creatures you cited are not.

So, just want to be sure I understand: its ok to create a life even though it is cursed to die before birth .... if it makes you feel better?
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 11:42pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

Ok, I'll bite.

If the world was actually ending before gestation could finish and you knew the apocalypse will probably be a physically painful experience, why would you create another life knowing it would sentenced to boiling in the womb while flailing in wordless agony?

Doesn't that seem like the cruelest, most selfish action you could possibly entertain?

You can have hope without creating some kind of baby totem to ward off the 4 Horsemen.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 10:24pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

Also, consider that this civilization only emerged from uncountable years of evolution only as their sun was dying.

For all we know, their planet may have only begun its process of life only a billion years before (as the solar output began to increase). The planet could have spent most of its existence a frozen ball in a Saturnian orbit.
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 10:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

Not necessarily ... if the other ten planets had been dislodged from their orbits and consumed, it's actually pretty likely that a habitable zone planet woukd be affected by the other planets.

At first, the Earth analog planet would go into an extremely irregular orbit before eventually flying into/grazing by the star quickly or being slingshotted into space. (Universal Sandbox 2 is a space emulator i've spent time using in the past).

I'm pretty sure they had the order correct for a highly parabolic entry: first atmosphere would be bled off by solar wind and gravity, then the oceans would boil and then finally stress fractures would disintegrate the planet as it was consumed.

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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 9:57pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

If you download the FOX app on your handheld device/ phone, you can watch it once on there... just don't pause it too much or it'll cut out before the end of the episode.

Also, there are other places to find things online ... if we had mailboxes on this site, I'd say PM me. :)
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Dave in MN
Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 9:17pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Primal Urges

A few more thoughts:

I loved the exploration of the aftermath of the trial on Moclus: they both love their child and each other, but it is completely understandable that Bortus would be hurt to his core that he couldn't convince Klyden to change his mind. I legit felt for both of them.

Also, we see Dr. Finn in her therapist capacity: she does a grear professional job of moderating between them (perhaps enough that it'll convince a few viewers to give it marriage counseling a shot).

This also explains why the Doc doesn't know everyone on board: she spends half her time counseling and probably leaves a lot of the non- emergency work for Nurse Park and the rest of the staff.

Oh, and I loved the alien officer pill/porn guy! Probably just how it'll be in the future.
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