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DABIGDAWG
Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 5:38pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: ENT S3: Anomaly

Okay, so far I've read about a dozen posts saying how "un-Trek" this episode was (a phrase that makes me vomit a little in my mouth). First, the Earth of Star Trek has spent years with no poverty, no war. But it's clear that the rest of the galaxy has not. If humans plan to deal with the rest of the imperfect races, it's more than reasonable to believe that we will have to get our hands dirty every once in a while.

Second, let's look at the scenario of "Anomaly." Earth has just been brutally attacked. You learn that there is ANOTHER attack forthcoming that, if you don't stop it in time, will completely destroy Earth. This means you're in a race against time to stop this attack, and you've already spent two months looking for the perpetrators and have so far come up empty. You're in a region known to be dangerous and are facing down pirates who just finished robbing you and killing a crewman. You then find out that these pirates have the only - I repeat - ONLY lead to finding Earth's attackers and potentially stopping the extinction of humanity. And the one guy who can help you access that information is openly defying you by basically saying I know the information you're asking me about but I won't tell you and you don't have the balls to get it out of me. How SHOULD have Archer handled that situation? If his actions were "un-Trek," then what is the "Trek" way to solve this problem?
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DABIGDAWG
Mon, Jul 3, 2017, 10:37pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S5: In the Cards

@Chrome

You're right, DS9 does have a darker, less utopian, more realistic tone to it. Count me as one of the fans who love the show for that reason. That was the point I was making to Elliot. He didn't know what show he was watching. Given the location of the station, on the edges of Federation territory, and given the history of the sector (a Holocaust-style occupation, a recent war with the Cardassians, the formation of a demilitarized zone, the formation of the Maquis, the threat of the Dominion), this particular show CAN'T be Roddenberian. It wouldn't make sense. So for Elliot to apply that as a critique means that he had no idea about the concept of the show.
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DABIGDAWG
Mon, Jun 26, 2017, 11:07pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S5: In the Cards

The problem that people are having with you, Elliot, is not your disdain for DS9, but that your disdainful comments are coming from a place of ignorance. In other words, you trash a show that you admitted to not knowing or caring about, to not liking. And because you don't like it, you have little knowledge of it, yet you comment as if you do.

For example, your critique about why Jake doesn't have more hatred for his father considering his position is, quite frankly, stupid. I use that word not to provoke but to prove the point that, for those of us who watch the show, it is OBVIOUS where that love comes from and why that relationship has meaning. For homework on this topic, watch the following episodes: The Emissary, In the Hands of the Prophets, The Jem Hadar, The Visitor, Paradise Lost, Shattered Mirror, Explorers, A Call to Arms, ...Nor the Battle to the Strong, Rapture, The Reckoning, Image in the Sand, and What You Leave Behind. ALL of these episodes, every single one of them, explore that father/son relationship either in whole or in part. It is CLEAR after watching these episodes why Jake loves Ben so much. An avid viewer of DS9 knows this. Someone who doesn't like the show, however...

As another example, you complained that DS9 often put forth an anti-Rodenberrian version of the ST timeline. Again, that implies a lack of understanding of the show you're watching, probably because again you are not interested in the show. Think about where DS9 is located, in the ass end of the quadrant, a "primitive, frontier" area, according to Bashir in The Emissary (which, of course, drew the scorn of one of the primitive locals, Kira), that had just finished with a 50-year occupation, a war, and the creation of a new DMZ. Then, no sooner than the sector finally begins to establish itself thanks to the discovery of the galaxy's first stable wormhole and all the commerce that would come with such a find, the DMZ gets set on fire by a faction of disgruntled former Federation citizens, the Klingons and Cardassians fight a conflict that further destabilizes the area, and the Gamma Quadrant's version of the Borg comes pouring through the same wormhole that was supposed to make Bajor wealthy. How "Roddenberian" do you EXPECT such a sector to be??? Bajor is FAR away from Earth and the paradise that was created on that world, a concept that was established IN THE FIRST 30 MINUTES OF THE VERY FIRST EPISODE!

THESE are the kinds of things that make people on this board so irate with you. You don't have an understanding of this series, yet you comment as if you do. Rather than saying "can someone who follows the show please explain how they established the father/son relationship," you jump on it with unfounded and incorrect criticisms of something you clearly know nothing about. If you're willing to learn about DS9, IMO the best of the shows because of it's complexity, I'm willing to teach. If not, it might be best to not say anything at all. You know Lincoln's quote about being a fool...
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