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Colin Lindsly
Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 10:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

The video from Major Grin focused on Berman-era Trek for showing how Discovery has deviated from the core values of Trek. It is an incomplete picture, as from the beginning the franchise has shown Starfleet officers believing that it was their duty and obligation to find peaceful solutions and using violence as a last resort.

In "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Kirk attempted to help his former friend Gary Mitchell, who was being transformed, until he had to make the choice to kill him as there was no other choice.

And, in "A Taste of Armageddon", there is this piece of dialog:

ANAN: There can be no peace. Don't you see? We've admitted it to ourselves. We're a killer species. It's instinctive. It's the same with you. Your General Order Twenty Four.
KIRK: All right. It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today. Contact Vendikar. I think you'll find that they're just as terrified, appalled, horrified as you are, that they'll do anything to avoid the alternative I've given you. Peace or utter destruction. It's up to you.
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Colin Lindsly
Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 11:32am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I read a synopsis of Alex Kurtzman's interview at TrekMovie. Two quotes caught my attention:

"We’re actually exploring – we’re diving deep into science – in the fourth season, in a kind of new and interesting way."

"There have been many kinds of villains over the course of Star Trek. What happens when the villain is not actually any kind of living, breathing entity, but something else? How do you solve that problem?"

My reaction upon reading this mirrors Data's from Generations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrm8TV7K4zo
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Colin Lindsly
Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 10:58am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

How do people feel about Farscape? I have vague memories of watching this show and enjoying it.

I, too, am spending less time at TrekBBS. It feels that NuTrek has divided the fan base. I am sticking in with NuTrek for the ships, if I can see them that is. This is one thing going for Lower Decks. They don't hide their ships in darkness. I don't have an emotional attachment for or an investment in the characters.
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Colin Lindsly
Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 6:54am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

For myself, I remember what it was like to see older Trek. When the season ended, I was excited to see what the next season would bring and frustrated that I had to wait. I haven't felt that way in a long time with Trek.

I have that feeling with other shows now, like The Umbrella Academy, The Boys, The Witcher, The Expanse, The Mandalorian, and Camp Cretaceous. On the last, it's amazing how they kept the pace of the show up throughout 8 20-minute episodes and how the characters evolved individually and as a group.

After watching the last episode of the third season of Discovery, I felt relieved the season had ended and felt no excitement about a new season. In the shows I like, I am noticing that they build layers to their storytelling, plots, and characterization. Discovery seems to like to build the layers only to then tear them down at the end of the season, so it feels like each season is restarting at the beginning. In another show, they would have kept Osyraa as an antagonist and develop her and her organization in a meaningful way. They showed they could do that with the penultimate episode. Sadly, they took a sharp turn, brought her character down quite a few pegs, and disposed of her and her organization quickly.

It feels like Picard took a similar tack with the Romulan secret society and their desire to eradicate synthetics. The next season will probably have a new villain for our characters to go against.
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Colin Lindsly
Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Star Trek is a niche franchise. It has more cultural resonance in its country of origin than in the international markets. One of the reasons that the franchise changed so much was that it had be marketed overseas, to make it more palatable for those who did not understand it. It was seen as the talky franchise, so the deep discussions which dominated the earlier films were largely abandoned, and the plots become simplistic revenge porn.

Though late to the party on the last episode of Picard, for myself, the copy-and-paste fleet of the Federation was one issue. The Romulans sent hundreds of ships to destroy an android colony with a very small population. This is like taking a nuclear bomb to an ant. After scouting the colony with long-range sensors and probes, I would expect the Romulans to send no more than one ship to do the action and, maybe as protection, one or two more ships to act as escorts. The Federation would send a squadron of three or four ships to protect the planet.
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Colin Lindsly
Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 12:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Burke

What about LD S1 and SNW S1? Will you be watching those?

We definitely have one series this year to look forward to - Star Trek: Progeny.
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Colin Lindsly
Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 8:12am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

MidshipmanNorris

Discovery has a fourth season, with two episodes having been filmed already. Filming will probably be done by the fall, so it might air in 2022.

Having binged myself on the Expanse the past few days, it is very difficult to return to Star Trek. I began my viewing with this episode, as I have done for the past few episodes, by going to the end and seeing that. Then, I cherry picked what I wanted to see in the rest of the episode.

The Expanse shows how to do everything well and they stay within the rules of the world they have created. When something breaks those rules, they make it a point to say that this is happening and to show how the characters adapt to the situation. There are no easy fixes and there are long term consequences.

In the movie "Airplane", every time someone hears the story of the male lead, they inevitably want to kill themselves. I am at that point with Burnham's moralizing. The monologue at the end infuriated me.

Everything about Discovery reeks of incompetency, laziness, and complacency. It does not feel that the crew are striving to be at their best when making a quality product.
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