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Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 11:24am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Generations

@William B

Fair point about Riker and his "remove the plank" line. I haven't caught the scene recently but Riker certainly has a personality where people will believe he didn't mean to remove the plank, even if he may have secretly known exactly what would happen.

Also, I think you're right about "First Contact" and would even go as far to say that movie handled Data's emotions the best without them being a major part of the film. That fact that Data can even shut off his emotions still separates him from being human (and also gives us some nice insight into Picard's turmoil when he says he's envious of Data). It was also great that FC teased us by making us think Data was still vulnerable to his emotions like he was in "Generations". But Data's reveal at the end that the emotions had, in human terms, an extremely low impact on his decision making was a nice way of showing character growth while giving us insight into Data longing to express his suppressed emotions.
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Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 10:15am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Generations

@Cody B

Yes, thanks to Spiner (being incredibly likable and funny when needed) giving that goofy face when he pushes Crusher off the ship, it's hard not to laugh there or at least be on Data's side. The trouble is, this scene is supposed to be the turning point where Data realizes he can no longer further his dream of being human using his current circuitry. But in actuality, what Data did was really not much less funny than what Riker did to Worf. Both were needlessly thrown in the water with their clothes and looked pretty unhappy about it.

Actually, I don't think Data's emotion chip arc really works at all in this movie. It's hard to say he actually gained anything from the experience and he certainly lost a lot. The one patented TNG heartwarming moment is with Data crying after he finds Spot, which works to a degree, but at the same time it doesn't really make up for how annoying he was with emotions earlier on.

By the time "First Contact" rolls around you can tell there was a lot of negative reception to Data getting emotions. Hey, most of us preferred the socially awkward but charmingly innocent android. Thus the writers decided to give Data the ability to turn off the emotions entirely and table the issue. Then of course in "Nemesis" the essence of Data reverts back to the childlike B4, so yeah, maybe they shouldn't have messed with Data to begin with.
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Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 12:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Generations

@Cody B

I think the audience sees Crusher being pushed off as funny, but in the show’s universe Crusher was just trying to give Data some friendly advice about humor and Data responded to her advice literally by pushing her off which from her perspective was kind of mean and poorly timed.
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Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 11:58am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

@Dom

“Rather than flood the market with new stuff, why not take one TV show or movie and do it really well?”

You’re assuming they’re capable of doing that. ;-)

But I think it has to do with network TV viewership being much more diluted than it was during other Treks. You can’t count on people tuning into CBS for football and catching Star Trek by chance anymore. People are watching what they want on demand, so the networks attempt to fill every genre niche (i.e. classics, reboots, and children’s animated series) to fit those demands.

The Orville actually resembles more closely what I’d consider a standard model network show. But I think the problem is it’s trying very hard to please a nostalgic TNG fanbase without really coming up with its own unique program.
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Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 4:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Let He Who Is Without Sin...

@Patrick

"This causes Worf to lash out at the entire community, to deny everyone this vacationing and sexual experience because he feels it doesn't conform to his traditional values. This is a great predictor of many of the problems we have today in the gaming and online nerd communities."

This is an interesting conclusion, but I'm not seeing how these two things connect with each other. Are "nerd communities" controlling like Worf and Jadzia is the hypothetical beautiful woman they'll never be able to court?

Honestly, I don't hate this one as much as many of the critics including Jammer do. Worf had been the fun police ever since he came to DS9, so it's nice that there's an episode that explores why that might be. Still, the story with the soccer match doesn't really seem to line up with what we know about Worf up until now. It also seems like Worf's rigidity needed to be taken to extremes for this episode to work. Like really, a decorated officer who puts duty and honor above all else is going to help some terrorists sabotage a Federation world?

So yes, some good character ideas explored, but you need to sort of forget what you thought you knew about Worf for this one to work.
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Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 3:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

@Peter G.

I’ve read interviews from Spiner and Sirtis saying they really learned a lot about acting by listening about and watching Stewart’s professionalism on the set. And frankly, after seeing what’s happened with VOY - DIS, maybe the franchise needs a “stick in the mud” to keep things together.
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Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 3:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

Wow! That’s big news for Trek. Though a reboot doesn’t really make sense with Stewart, especially considering his age. Why wouldn’t they just have him play an admiral in a post-TNG show?

At least Stewart knows how to teach other actors and could help shape the cast for the new show like he did with TNG.

Jammer - can you make another comment section for this new series as it doesn’t really seem Discovery related besides the producer being the same?
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Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 11:24am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Devil's Due

Sorry, I was thinking of Mercedes Ruehl who acts, looks, and talks a lot like Marta Dubois.

That said, Dubois appeared in Magnum P.I., MacGuyver, and Law & Order in addition to dozens of other TV roles, so I’d hardly say she’s an amateur.
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Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 10:37am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Devil's Due

@SLB

Jill Abbott was great in Frasier and I think she works here. You need someone who can ham it up if they’re pretending they have godly powers.
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Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 10:18am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Enemy

@Joe

It’s not the best analogy, but I think Picard just meant he didn’t want a single military incident to turn into full-scale war. Although it is interesting because we see similar sentiments about North Korea these days. Even Trump, whose supporters could be considered more hawkish, is trying to avoid an escalation in the region.
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Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 3:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Shadows and Symbols

@Elliot W

"I mean, consent cannot be given if you have no control over your body, which she did not"

How do you know she wasn't a willing vessel for the Prophets? Maybe they communicated to her that they needed her to help to save the AQ and she decided she'd let them use her on the condition she could live her life on her own after the Prophets' task was complete. It all happened off screen, so any possibility of "rape" is speculative, at best. What's more, your whole case runs contrary to the spirit of how the Prophets operate in DS9.
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Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 8:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

No, this is one of the instances Picard takes heat for later in “The Drumhead”. You can hate the PD all you want, but you can’t say Picard isn’t willing to bend the rules of the PD when he thinks that’s the right thing to do.
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Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 5:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

@mephyve

Picard didn't even know about Sarjenka's race let alone the danger to her until Data got himself involved. How was he even supposed to help them before he even knew about them?
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Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 3:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

@mephyve

What are you even on about? Picard made an exception to the PD in this episode. Did you watch the whole thing?
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Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 9:44am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

@Dom

"At the very least, hire writers who have read something about history, sociology, or tech. I think the show could use people who have had a dose or two of reality."

Fair enough, I don't see how that would hurt the show. Though, I think the problem with Discovery is more fundamental than adding on a NASA scientist or military veteran to fix the details. Take this episode, for example, which ends with Michael being vindicated by her peaceful actions and then honored by Starfleet. The thing is, acts I, II, III, and IV don't have anything to do with that final act. We're basically led through some Sci-Fi non-sequiturs for half the episode in order to cover up the fact that the ending wasn't fleshed out.

As I said above, Gene was first and foremost a good writer in addition to his military background. No good writer would've let this episode come to pass without some major editing. For some reason, whether it's a rushed production schedule or too many cooks in the kitchen (it's certainly not budget), the basic creative step of a coherent script is not being handled well.
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Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 12:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

Yes, they call it “General Order 1” in earlier TOS episodes. Non-interference is a Starfleet priority. It’s obviously a very complex order that requires tough decisions sometimes. But as Peter G. described at length above, there’s good reason to it.
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Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 12:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

@mephyve

You're speaking to the "playing God" part of the argument now. It's certainly sad that these people would be destroyed by a natural disaster. But surely there are hundreds of civilizations in similar predicaments that the Federation could save and obviously it doesn't have the ability to save all of them. How does it pick and choose which races should be saved? How far does the Federation need to go to make sure that species remains safe in the future? These questions are all addressed fairly well in this episode. I think if you really thought this through, you'd see the benefit of making rules about interfering with the course of nature, especially when dealing with nature that's the scale of the entire universe.
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Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 12:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Second Chances

@Jason R.

It would be interesting if they had that in mind, it might even give more meaning to a bad season 2 episode that desperately needs it.

"Up the Long Ladder" itself is partly about the diminishing capability of a race of people using the same stock from an ever-shrinking gene pool, so I think Riker's words were in line with that sentiment. Though, I'm not sure this episode ever addresses a point about Will Riker feeling like he's lost a part of himself now that he's found a duplicate. The story focused more Thomas Riker, who really has been diminished by another Riker taking his place in life.
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Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 11:22am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Second Chances

@Jason R.

The big difference here is that there was no “cloning” in the sense of it being a violation to Riker. Tom is also unique in that he shares all the experiences of Riker up until a little before the series started. So, it’s literally a great chance for Will to see what kind of person the Enterprise made him.
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Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 10:45am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Second Chances

@Jason R.

It’s not like anything bad happens to Will in this episode. If anything, it was a great way for him to realize he needed to commit to Deanna. If only the writers weren’t trying to ship Worf-Troi so badly, surely it would’ve happened season 7.
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Sun, Jun 10, 2018, 12:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: True Q

“It was a pity to see the same trope being trotted out, as when Riker was tempted to become a Q, of testing characters by letting something happen that they would want to correct. ”

It’s actually an inversion of the concept. Riker was granted Q powers but he couldn’t deny how empty the powers felt to a human who was used to working to obtain goals. Amanda was asked to forsake her Q-ness, trying to be completely human but she couldn’t deny she was Q at heart.
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Sat, Jun 9, 2018, 6:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

@mephyve

It’s not like Starfleet ignores the pleas of others. Indeed, once Sarjenka started asking for help, they did in fact help her. The problem is Starfleet can’t always help people without unintentionally destroying their culture. The PD is a way of balancing the interests of helping others and letting them learn to help themselves without being impinged on by outsiders.
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Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 12:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Birthright, Part II

@Chris P

You answered your own question. Worf was acting under orders from Riker who was trying to flee from the Ferengi. It’s not like Worf can go out firing on his own. Though, if Riker’s first instinct was to flee from the Birds of Prey, he may have accessed the Enterprise was not a match for them at their current position.
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Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 11:52am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Ensign Ro

If you look at Bajoran characters across the spectrum, women seem to be more dominant in their culture. We’ve got military types like Kira, the spiritual leaders like Kai Opaka, and the career politicians like Kai Winn. You even have characters like Leeta who initiate relationships and push for sex (something Ro also did during “Conundrum”). That brand of personality may not be your cup of tea, but at least it gives something alien about Bajorans we can contrast with humans other than their noses.
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Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 1:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Sons of Mogh

@Lupe

I really got a kick out of that link, especially one of the comments about "some kind of a thesaurus". It's as if the Voyager staff were all playing up that they're in the Delta quadrant by shrouding everything in mysterious dialog.

"You see Captain, it's a certain kind of fog made from suspended water vapors, but definitely not just regular fog. It's, you know, foggier."
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