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Cgal
Tue, May 12, 2009, 1:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2

I would like to comment on two subjects

a) Baltar. We must not forget that baltar was responsible for the destruction of the 12 colonies.
He was responsible for the new caprica and the near end of human civilization.
He handed over an atomic bomb! to an enemy agent....
He created a religious fanatic cast who remembers me the darkest days of holly inquisition....
And this men a scientist praise the farmers life a super scientist...
Baltar in every other civilization would have been at least imprisoned for crimes. Don t say about admiral Cain and his complicity on his murder...

B) When human tried to escape from new Caprica
adama made an address a spoke about defending the civilization from extinction. In the end betrays the all thing that defended. Civilization are not the humans only civilization is WAY OF LIVING worth DYING FOR. Culture, poetry cinema, art, painting books, all that things that leave traces
Adamas betray a whole civilization for religious nonsense. Did god wanted to kill 39000 people without technology in horrible deaths;
I dont believe so. When adama destroy his fleet
makes an act of treason. HE took an oath to defend the integrity of the fleet in any cost. i will say again to destroy a spaceship is like to burn a book. The religious cult the destroyed the book because of FEAR. Adama do the same thing destroy the fleet of o fear that technology corrupt people. That is fundamental mistake of all the last episode. The human traits are common rooted in human deeply. We can kill as easily with a knife as easily with a laser pistol. Before two days i saw the new Star Trek an amazing picture full of human characters with flaws and merits. A movie that respect the scientist fiction. The writers of the daybreak didnt. They didn't respect the civilization the men who died for that. They didn't respect our civilization either. Our society has been built from people who died for a better future. The writers view is a near antitechnological position without making any sense at all.I think that the notion of a science fiction series is to defend and protect the meaning of it its philosophy who is the exploration of new visions and the protection of his culture meaning the defense all of these that have obtained within thousand of generations. You cant destroy Coruscant because of the death star. We must choose well not to abstain, because this is the catastrophic decision which Adama took and ended in a very much pitiful way a great civilization.
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Cgal
Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 9:34am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2 (April Fools Version)

A good example of respecting history is the Star Trek an good analogy. Picard a man of his age never would have to abandon his civilization because he knows that many generations died for his creation and his thriving. Adama on the opposite side betrayed the civilization and was his gravedigger. When you build something you must defend, to the last drop of blood. They made a 4 years trip defending it. An then total resignation, why? They succumb to fatigue of the travel i dont think show. I think the best answer to battlestars galactica finale is the last scene in the stars war movie episode iv in which we can see how marvelously, mysticism, humor, and proud are intermixed with a sense of history. Adama rejected the entire history of his tribe and like an afraid child drop it all in order to stare the mountains.Its a shame this, and not honorable.
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cgal
Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 3:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2 (April Fools Version)

to Ryan
the Behaviour of a human being towards others person is indicative. I will give you an example if in earth like society pepeole kill each other why the should have better attitude toward robots? Lee adama sais in one scene yhat will give something to the native people of this planet somathing positive to his evolution. It is obvious thta this didnt happen. Dont forget that all human history revolves over whoms who question
to be more specific whom rules who. If there was an evolution 150000 is more than enough. It is clear that the writwrs of the episode chose an over simplified solution. look the two angels in the end they speak with such a contempt for our society dis regarding all the development of scinece, of medicine. people live in our todays world have advantages thabn any of ancestors. Why such a contept? the two'Angels' are jealous of our civilazion and they are proud of essentially killing 38000 people. Someone to explain me why our society as angels argue is more corrupted and decadent than the society in 1800s when men died randomly living a poor miserable life. I thing that the daybreak ii missed the essential point the development of a man has to do with his attitude toward his companions. If a man behaves violently and bad to others persons the same will happens towards robots. Its a simple equation. And you dont send 38000 highly developed people to live almost naked in caves in order to break a cycle because this isnt going to happend because simply is un feasipble and every body will be dead in agonizing death in a matter of months.
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Cgal
Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:05am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2 (April Fools Version)

to Alex1939
when and where the cycle of violence broken? in the next 150000 years how many genocides and violence did we have? How do you explain that? how many wars? between humans? countless. So the cycle of violence has been always here. As to the confinement in small room when you have the capability to make interstellar travels do you have also the capability making everything you need find resources everywhere and not letting your own people to die from a simple flu listening voices in the air in order as lee did to explore a mountain or as adama did living as a hermit . Kara was an angel? with gun who kills mercillesly the other ? This is nonsense.
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Cgal
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 2:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2 (April Fools Version)

I was very critical of the two hours finale and i would like to clarify some things.
1) BSG was an excellent study of human behaviour under pressure ans harsh conditions. A Study of characters complicated, full of fear, ambitions, passions. And here is my objection. When you have to deal with such perplexing characters and you build them in every episode you can not destroy them by simplifying all in the end. What is the conclusion of the series? that a god exist in some form and the technology is bad for us so lets go to the nature living in the huts and sowing the land as Baltar the top scientist did. The holy inquision said the same thing with different words. The human inclination to violent behavior it has not to do with technology. The tecnology simplified some means of mass destruction but war is 15000 year old thing at least. It has to do with complex socioleconomical factors demografics and life expectancy. The life of humna beings in the 95% of history was harsh, and very very small. And within those harsh conditions Adamas led their people. Lee says he wants to explore a mountain to see what is there. A man who travelled through the galaxies and had that opportunity with thousans years of evolution in his back to do so does not throw away this conquer. there is no Return . We have separated our self from nature we are making History. Neither is behaviour for a commander to leave alone in a hill wandering ib nature after destroying his fleet!!!. For what? for breaking a cycle of 3000 years of violence and starting another of 150000 years. Philosophically the end lacks cohesion. It is inconsistent with the history of the fleet. and remembers me dark old ages when human detsroyed books, to destroy a modern spacecraft is the same thing. The adama as all the captains with honor and self respect even the most incompetent ones should have died with his ship.Starbuck was god? an angel who kills destroys ruthelssy, was this a proper solution to such a complex character? i think not. The impression that remains is that the main characters are suffering of some kind of massive paranoia and behave like this.Picard in the star trek is on the opposite side . He accepts his place in history and is ready to die with his ship for his beliefs. A real character with metaphysical worries. If picard decided to destroy the enterprise in order ro leave ibn planet without technology what would be our reaction? we would say that man is mad one. So there is the problem of BSG finale, it makes religious factor imperative and dominant. and the result? One of the worst finale in the history of science fiction and a very bad example for the future. As the so called villains Zarek,Gaeta, Cain i will say it again all of their actions were more logical thn Adamas family. for example Admiral Cain would never have permitted the creation of the New Caprica colony neihter Baltar as president. Neither Gaeta and zarek should have accepted virually the dissolution of the human society and the end of civilization. separating his people to small groups with limites supplies with no weapons medicine friends completely vulnarable and isolated adama sealed their fate. Listening voices in the air destroyed a great race. Its a pitty that many of us who objected this ending have been accused of conservatism, republicanism. We just said the true that the final hour is nonsense and anti science fiction. To go primitive shows lack of imagination ,responsibilty and greatness. Agreat series myst have a great end.And this was not to hunt zebras in Africa with spears and arrows.
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Cgal
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 12:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Daybreak, Part 2 (April Fools Version)

So after 4 years of suffering the solution was for galactic people to go native in a wild planet. The whole thing is absurd and idiotic. In retrospective Gaeta and Zarek were right. The adama's family is at least emotional unstable at least. when admiral Cain died kara sai that the fleet was more secure with than without her. It was absolutely right. The Baltar who helped the murder of the most competent commander of the fleet became President and with adamas cooperation nearly destroyed the civilization in new caprica. And lee orders all the people to live technology which is guilty!!! of what? and abandon the fleet in order to die in few months in the wild earth. It remembers me some suicidal sects who commit massive suicide. and no one objected to that.... its so naive that destroys series reputation. Dee have had a honorable death and was of the moste 'aristorcratic' suicides in tv . He had the dignity to face things. and to make hard choices. Tm Zarek Gaeta nad even Admiral Cain with his last for revenge have my fully support. Zarek death was a death fitted to man dying for his convictions and not dying in misery in a wild planet as lee choose. Gaeta coup was the last chance for humanity. It lost and a paranoic cult left to destroy human race. The irony is that kara was the harbinger o death it led tha human race in a primitive wild barbaric world to self destruct. To the back to the nature message is so idiotic and so mediocre that astonished me. So solution was to go native to hunt gazelles and to fight barbarians. They have confused the technology and the human traits so utterly. And they needed 150000 years to reach our level?. And the two angels wondering if the cycle of violence begins again, the did not observe the history of 150000 years full of genocides, world wars and continious violence did the writers of the episode read some history?. Because they dont know basic things everybody knew. A great series with the weaker and the most unrealistic ending i have ever seen.And the divine land of edem was a wild planet full of dangers, to go without medicine weapons isolated in small groups! in order to do what; to die; from hunger, diseases, arrows! Even Admirals Cains resolution to go back to twelve colonies and to get rid off cylons was more realistic. Ans this is the greatest irony of all the four years the 'villains' Cain, Gaeta, Zarek were the more logigal of all in thinking. They see that the Adamas Roslins leadership was emotionaly imbalanced and dangerous for the human race. Admirals Cains question in resurection ship I ' is that what are you two doing the last 6 months debating the finer points of colonial law' were absolutely true . We have a president with visions! and a commander capable of commanding a ship but not a fleet. Dont say about the baltar who listen voices and see angels collaborates with enemies agents and make all the disastrous decisions about new caprica. Adama in new Caprica left the baltar to rule a didnt take the most realistic approach to depose him. Its a pitty that the finale was so weak and so anticlinactic. and what about hera? i dont understand his importance at all. and no one clarifies that point. And the most redicilous moment was the helo with the stick touring the fields of africa with athena like a tourist!!!! my points 4 out 10.
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