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Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 9:13am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

It would be nice if Discovery would start to do it's own thing.
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Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 6:01am (UTC -5)
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@ Tim C.
I didn't like Lorca from start to finish. I have seen Jason Isaacs in good roles (also in bad ones) but Lorca never worked for me. For a regular Starfleet captain he was to ruthless and when we found out that he was MU his behavior made more sense but also turned him into a one dimensional villain. When he got the axe I didn't feel anything.

Mount's Pike was good and was a very important factor in turning the USS Titanic away from the iceberg. With him the whole tone of the show changed. Sure he was the classic hero (which is the male version of Mary Sue, I guess) but he played that role very well. Would I like to see him continue to be captain. Yes. Could Saru be an even better captain. Probably.
Now that you mentioned it. Saru's whole two season arc seems to have prepared him to become captain. I would be ok with this soft and newly improved giant. Would be nice to see how he deals with the aftermath on Kaminar if he is actually in the captains chair.
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 2:23pm (UTC -5)
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@Drea
Interesting take on the Vulcan society. Never thought about it that way.
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 11:43am (UTC -5)
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@Chrome
"I like how TNG made nods to Tasha's death several times during the series -"
Really?? I always found Commander Sela pretty embarrassing. Talk about shoehorned. She was like a Bond villain.
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 11:40am (UTC -5)
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@MadManMUC
I always found it confusing that people pointed to Nimoy's Spock as a paragon of logic and rationality. He shows emotions all the time. He is more or less a British gentlemen. Condescending and repressed. Nimoy was just so great in that role.
Considering how fearful I was about this Spock and how they would introduce him I must say that I'm kind of ok with Peck.
I liked you analysis. How Peck probably came up with a timeline of Spock. Where he would be in his live, what he was going through at the time. Good stuff.

@Yanks
About the cinematography. I actually didn't mind that shot, too but many here are still recovering from severe neck and eye injuries inflicted during the last weeks. In a way it was impressive that the camera could make me feel dizzy one or two times but I doubt that is what they intended. It was fine this week.
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 7:04am (UTC -5)
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@ Yair
I always saw Sarek's comment on the course of action as a hesitant recommendation. She asks him what to do and he knows that a wrong recommendation could have devastating consequences.
But I haven't seen that scene for quite some time. Perceptions.
About the whole did the Vulvan Hello work. I think the last time the Vulcans encountered the Klingons the Federation was still in the making.

The whole Nahm suffocates scene and the fact that it is Nham that pushed the button was not great storytelling. Maybe it was made that way to again underline that the universe doesn't rely on Michael Burnham which seemed to have been one of the topics of the episode. Therefor Nahm pushes the button. That Burnham didn't even check if Nham was still alive is a bad choice nonetheless.
A pretty cheap trick. Deus ex Nham.
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 6:26am (UTC -5)
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@Yair
"From her childhood (the incident with Spock) to the pilot (where everyone she asks, *including* Sarek warn her against the "Vulcan Hello"), to her actions in the current episode (where everyone tell her to shoot out Airiam but she ignores them all). "

I don't know if these show any disregard for the suffering of others. When she hurt Spock as a child she was a child or young teenager herself and for the wrong reasons tried to protect her family. Spock points out her error of judgement but who doesn't f*** up as a teenager.
In the Vulcan Hello Sarek tells his daughter what the Vulcans do which is at least an implicit recommendation for the action she should take.
And about the scene with Airiam you should keep in mind that it is far harder to actually push a button to kill somebody, somebody who is right in front of you no less, then to just give the order without having to witness it directly.
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 4:20am (UTC -5)
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@ Alan Roi
Why are two guys debating female hairstyles??? Or what connection or relevance does the dresscode of the US military have to Star Trek?

There is no debate here.
Gil thinks that any species that is less capable when it comes to physical violence than Humans should be barred from working in security. One of course would also have to ask why not all security personal is Vulcan, considering that they are far stronger than Humans but that is a debate for another day, I guess.

He also thinks that a security officers should without any real reason suspect anybody of being a traiter/trying to harm the ship even if these people have served faithfully for years maybe even decades.
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Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 6:00pm (UTC -5)
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How many Brian's do we have here now? 5? Is this an Irish invasion?
I have no idea who is writing what?!
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Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 4:26pm (UTC -5)
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I thought you meant his development in general. I have blocked out season 1.
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Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 4:09pm (UTC -5)
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@ Yair
Saru's changed mental state was brought up and shown. He behaves differently I think.
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Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 2:17am (UTC -5)
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@ Brian
Most Trek apart from TOS always used an ensemble cast. It was a mistake to center the show around a single character. And it has been my impression that Discovery went back to an ensemble cast plus SMG acting improved considerably.

I see season 2 a little more positive than you. The longer shots and more establishing shots worked wonders in my opinion. Scenes have more time to breath. The beginning of the episode was a good example with that long shot of the Discovery while it is approached by the shuttle. The shuttle shining light on the Discovery was subtle hint what the episode would be about.

The acting has improved across the board. There was one scene where Mount, which I like but not as much as most here, really did a great job. He goes into an elevator and the moment the doors close he smiles a little. Great scene. Subtle and effective.

But there is of course the season arc which at this point seems like a bad reminder of what Discovery was.
You write " They will need to transcend that story, and really push the audience to challenge their perceptions about the universe."
I fear that it is too late for this season to pull this off.
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Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 1:57am (UTC -5)
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@ Alan Roi
If you follow Gil's logic then Nahms entire species would have to be barred from becoming security personal. I doubt that the Federation would allow that kind of discrimination.
And about that Este Lauder hair. Wasn't Worfs hair actually longer. And Klingons don't wear buns at all. Just go to Zero G and Klingons are defeated by their lush manes.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 4:12pm (UTC -5)
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@ Trent
I agree with basically all of your points. As I said a while back. Season three will be the deciding season for me. Season two kept me watching after the pretty subpar first season. Maybe they actually have the guts to tell a smaller, smarter story that is not about the destruction of the galaxy. Something that resonates with today's audience and also gives us that nice little shot of hope about the future.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 4:03pm (UTC -5)
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@ Alan Roi
I found Trents take on the episode interesting. I can understand why that scene barely worked for some. And who knows if he has siblings? Maybe he has four and they all live in a happy little community.
My biggest problem with the scene was Spock getting angry. For a moment it reminded me of Quinto Spock which was an interpretation I did not like.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 2:53pm (UTC -5)
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@ Trent.
Yeah, the Spock/Michael chess scene almost went of the rails but what saved it for me were two things. The acting was really good especially from SMG. Parts of the scene were very hard to pull of and she did it quite nicely. I was almost waiting for the acting to fail but it didn't. The whole conversation seemed to have a meta quality. Spock telling Burnham that she always puts everything on herself, like she is the center of the universe seems to be another nod of the writers telling the audience: We get it.
Season 2 could be called Course correction and I think that is another correction.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 1:57pm (UTC -5)
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@ Gil
Some comments you made about the last two episodes

"Is nu-Spock's ebony temptress of a sister kicking off a pon farr?"
"butthurt fanboys"
"a tribe of “latté-sipping” neo-Visigoths (con)descending en masse from the Hollywood Hills in their stealth Teslas to wage a proxy war on behalf of the under-served and under-represented who have otherwise been passing time updating their Instagram feeds whilst sweating cattle calls in Studio City. "
"demographic pandering"
"Michael Burnham was (possibly) created in a frenzy of coked out virtue signalling"
"the dick waving nu-Pike/Tyler bromance"
" androgynous Talosians from TOS’s “The Cage”—now 25% less androgynous according to unnamed sources. "
"when nu-Amanda momsplains nu-Sarek a new one to his coldhearted nut sack and Michael, the only one clever enough on a planet populated by logicians and their passive-aggressive housewives,..."
"It only took 53 years, but the Talosians finally got the budget to pay for their sex reassignment surgery."
"Culbert and Tyler going mano a mano brought more heat than either had with their former romantic partners. "

So again, you are either trolling or are transphobic, homophobic and a racist. I probably should have added misogynistic.
And that you try to play the victim now is pretty pathetic.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 1:36pm (UTC -5)
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@Bill
You have a point but then they should have said that "Burnham, we can not risk beaming her back!" or something.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 6:26am (UTC -5)
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@ Alan Roi
"Ariam was infected with Control's virus and under its control. Oh, and since this show is not pretending its being made in 1990, she also has wireless communicationsl. Does anyone think that it might be a little risky to beam aboard a potential threat like that at that point onto Discovery? "
You could get around that like a level 1 super strong force field. Thinking about how control controlled... Airiam poses more questions than it answers.

@Peremensoe
I saw what she was doing. What is here job/function apart from watching crew members? And when they beamed her over I was convinced that she would die.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 3:35am (UTC -5)
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@Zermelane
Yeah, that was a pretty cheap trick. Showing her suffocating while here breathing thingy was just a few centimeters away and then she swoops in to push the button. Not a great Trek moment. The whole thing would have worked far better, despite transporter plothole, if Burnham had checked on her, even a look would have been enough, and then had pushed the button herself.
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Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 3:21am (UTC -5)
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While not beaming Airiam into the brig is apparently a plothole and a pretty significant one I think we should keep in mind that this death had to happen.
Look at her name: AIR I AM. And she was shot out of an airlock. Is she a descendant of WILL I AM? Maybe
And don't ask Gil to stop making homophobic, transphobic or racist (thank god we don't have Jews and Muslims in Discovery) comments. He is either trolling or he is a transphobic, homophobic racist. And if you tell him to not show these believes then who is actually intolerant here? Jammer is committed to free speech no matter how revolting or disgusting some people act. Others have asked Gil to stop. He didn't. Let's just accept that he is what he is.
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Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 2:23pm (UTC -5)
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@ Peter G.
"That's like expecting someone who's allergic to peanut butter to enjoy high quality peanut butter cups." You didn't like the show and you made the decision to walk away. Like a normal human being. I think that the Orville is a dumb bro humor version of TNG. I didn't like it and therefor stopped watching it.
What is weird is that some people can't do what you and me did. Stop eating the peanut butter cup. Some people just need to hate. What other explanation is there?
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Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 8:24am (UTC -5)
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Another good outing.
I'm very impressed by the quality of the acting. From a purely artistic standpoint I would call Discovery the best in the acting department. The cinematography was better. One or two shots were pretty daring but we got some nice establishing shots.
Other pointed out the problems with Ariam. But I want to add here that I thought that the whole reviewing your memory scene and erasing some memories while keeping others was nice storytelling device. It was also nice to clarify that Ariam isn't some machine race. I must say that I want to see more of Owosekun. She is a good actor.
Again, no episode without a fistfight which I actually enjoyed this time. The fight had a certain roughness that elevated it.
There were a few moments were the episode almost went off the rails like when Spock got angry but it mostly worked I thought.
Commander Nham was the weakest point. Not because of her acting but because she for the most part felt shoehorned in. There was a moment were she looked at Ariam and I thought "What is she doing on the bridge? Is she just standing around?"
I must admit though that I'm not really sold on the whole evil A.I. storyline. That's pretty unoriginal. Terminator, Matrix. We have seen this before.
I'm also unsure about the Section 31 storyline. So section 31 started killing admirals or was that just Control? And is control just an A.I. telling Starfleet what to do? And then at some point later Section 31 was kind of defeated but the Federation decided to keep it a secret. ehh. I don't know.
But as a self contained episode this works really well and I liked it even more than last weeks episode.
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Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 5:31pm (UTC -5)
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@ Trent
" Compare to how the monolith is handled in "2001: A Space Odyssey".
Ok, Discovery is not on the same level as Kubricks masterpiece. Well... what is?

"but that the show is bored of such debates."
You have repeated that phrase but I still don't know what that means.

And on a personal note. If I would tell you what happened to me during the last 6 month you would call my life a soap opera. Life is crazy.

" I don't believe the writers know what they're doing" I guess we know the answer to that question in two, three episodes tops.
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Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 5:30pm (UTC -5)
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@Omicron
I think the negativity is a problem on it's own. You have your years to put this all into perspective. I'm a counter-puncher and I relatively quickly forget what we talked about because of more important stuff but think about shy or nerdy kids who just want to talk about what they like or dislike about this show. I don't like bullies but hey, I have enough on my plate and don't need to push back against these people.
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