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Bob Vogel
Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 9:51am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: The Icarus Factor

Mitchell Ryan was the perfect dad for Will and they acted well together. I always thought that the guest stars were well picked for their roles. In this case, I like the way dad said at the end, “ How do you think I feel, I love you son”. Felt genuine ...on both sides!
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 2:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Family Business

Jeffrey Combs

Officially playing everyone in the whole of the universe everywhere (and I like it)
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 2:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Explorers

Bloody hell I didn't realise how badly I want humankind to travel to another galaxy. Seeing Sisko and son get to Cardassia made me feel way more than I thought it would.

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Bobbington Mc Bob
Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 9:16am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Through the Looking Glass

I HATE Mirror Universe episodes.

Except when DS9 does them, and then they are brilliant.

The layers of thoughts going through my head when Sisko is talking to Jennifer and the way he must be feeling, yet managing to not show a flicker of any of it, was the best use of "good trek character having to be bad" I've seen. If only DSC and ENT's use of it had been so good.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 3:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Heart of Stone

I think that a quick CTRL-F of the word "nog" confirms it, with 139 returns on this page: The Nog storyline was seriously impressive and in no way a second place to the A plot.

There is no way I would have predicted any emotional weight to any Nog scene, and yet his "I don't want to end up like my father" actually really got me. It was handled equally well by Sisko, who of course, was aiming for such a cathartic release all along. It was awesome to see a lightweight side character suddenly become something much deeper, and to be able to relate deeply to someone from a race whose previous gyrating, one-dimensional representations on the show have left me wanting to hit the "skip forward" button in netflix.

Though I may get shot in the head with a phaser for saying so, lately I have found myself feeling a blasphemous thought: **DS9 might actually be even better than TNG**.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 3:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Life Support

I think this episode for me was the point where I realised how well written this show is, particularly with regard to Kai Winn and her status as villain. She goes way beyond that title, and I think is becoming an incredibly well acted portrait of a real psychopath. I've felt angry at villains in the past, but Kai Winn gives me a whole skin crawling sense of hatred that I don't recall feeling about a star trek villain before. When she threatened Bashir for what he said to her, that was the stepping off point. There's not an ounce of holiness in her at all.

The only regret I have here is that Kira did not utterly unload on her in Bareil's final moments, some comments that truly cut to the centre of WHAT Winn is. Not even the Cardassian torturers of past episodes have made me feel quite this strongly about a character before, and that is I think one of the best reviews I could write about DS9. What an amazing show.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 2:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part II

I did not expect to find tears rolling down my face in this episode, but there they were, in the scene where everyone is reading their story out to the world on the net. This is definitely the first DS9 episode to make me feel that way, where it was common with TNG and its high concept philosophy.

That was because 2024 looked so feasibly a date in our not so distant future, and rammed it right up against what it led to - the beginnings of The Federation.

It brings to mind Patrick Stewart's story of a letter he received from a police officer, which told of how, when he was sick of seeing how shitty people can be to each other, how bad things can be, he put on TNG because then he can believe one day it will be ok.

This episode puts up the worries we have about our own time, and the reasons we love the Roddenberrian vision so much, right next to each other. And the effect is striking.

Its not quite going to knock Measure of A Man off my top spot, but this two parter definitely sneaks its way into my top 4, simply because of how well it exemplifies why Star Trek is so important.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 8:15am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

Noped out at the netflix episode blurb, came here to check my suspicions. Skip!
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 6:37am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Defiant

Aside from the kiss at the end which was a total Outrageous Okona moment (unearned, cringe inducing and artificially sycophantic), this was a pretty good episode. More intrigue, a bit more Gamma Quadrant, a bit more tough little ship, a bit more Sisko operating in grey areas.

I am starting to feel a little like Kira is becoming the Troi of DS9 though, what with all the arbitrary predatory sexuality that seems to be directed at her of late (fresh off the back of Jeffrey Combs "I want a holokira all my own" character). IDK why but romance in Star Trek just never ever worked, and Riker's scenes in particular were always telegraphed (you could sense them approaching after a while) and slightly nauseating. The sensation is akin to the thought of your parents ... you know. Ugh.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 5:56am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Meridian

Watched the entire episode via the right arrow key and netflix's "skip 3 seconds" function. Worth it to see yet another incarnation of Coombs though.
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bobbington mcbob
Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 1:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Civil Defense

They've had starfleet engineers crawling all over that station for 2 years. I can almost understand the program getting missed if it was buried in some separate sub processor, but how has no one ever noticed the canisters of nerve gas secreted all about the place? They never got picked up by the ultra sensitive tricorders or weapons detection system? Its all a bit silly really.

Dukat is also officially nuts. There was no way stationing a garrison was going to last more than 5 minutes before he was court martialled and an emergency session of the assembly convened to prevent war with the Federation, resulting in an execution order by that cardassian Judge lady with the fetching grey lipstick.

Still, I had fun I think.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 8:12am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: The Abandoned

At least this time the "wildly accelerated growing boy" skit wasn't all due to some flying telepathic space sperm.

Good episode, and am glad to see the Dominion storyline is not being totally sidelined. I am curious to see what their next chess move will be and whether the "time is right" yet!
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 6:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Second Skin

I liked it, but I did not feel at any point that I started to believe Kira was a Cardassian. Everything barring the "cat" story was easy to wave away given the technologies and techniques we have seen the Cardassians and Romulans use before, and even then the cat story is something she might have been willing to divulge under a sneaky truth serum injection or two.

That the "dead Kira" affected living Kira so much also felt off. Facial surgery is central to the episodes plot, and so it could easily have been some random dead woman with Kira's face grafted on. In fact it must have been, unless there is a THIRD Kira 100% lookalike that really was in a Cardassian prison? Are Bajoran genetics really so lacking in diversity? I fully expected Kira to call that out with total conviction and it felt false that she didn't.

On doppelgangers, the Kira as exact double of real Cardassian woman part did feel like a stretch and I felt it took something away from the episode. By the time Kira was in tears and hugging her "father" for comfort, I was shaking my head in disbelief. I just hadn't seen enough up to that point that made me believe a hardened Bajoran Underground Leader would fall for.

Elsewhere, Garak continues to bewilder and grow. I know I want him to be a good guy, but the story is taking him away from that. Is he fighting for a free Cardassia and in exile for his views, or just an opportunist who is only for Garak and no one else? Time (and a Netflix binge session) will tell.

The final reveal was awesome, a nice switch of expectations that lead to a touching moment with Kira and "Dad". I would still check that jewellery for listening devices though.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Sun, Jun 9, 2019, 7:43am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: The Search, Part II

I agree with Jammer's review almost 100%, though I felt there were some oddly stilted performances from much of the cast here, especially Dax (her "I know you" photon torpedo scene really lands with a thud), Bashir (his attempt at indignation in the bar fight scene is season 1 Bashir level hollow) and Odo ("Iiii'm hoooome" .... "I was a vuuultureeee, wheeeeeee" * stoned grandpa face * ).

Maybe Frakes finding his feet, maybe everyone still in a holiday mentality at the start of a new series, I'm not sure. In a way it added to the unreality aspect, but even that doesn't make sense as a deliberate choice as Odo wasn't in the sim, and everyone else's consciousnesses were still the same.

Definitely weaker than part I and I agree about the frustrating ending. Living with the collapsed wormhole would have been interesting, though a dead Garak would have been intolerable. He's awesome!
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 3:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Tribunal

Cardassian Propaganda Announcement:
Look to the children
They are the Future of Cardassia
And they will lead the way
Invest in their minds
Teach them carefully

Whitney Houston: The Greatest Love
I believe the children are our are future
Teach them well
and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride

Conclusion: Alternate Universe episode in which Cardassian Ministry Of Propaganda Officers have swapped places with 1980's Earth Pop Divas.

Cher paints 200 foot pictures of Gul Dukat that hang on the walls of the assembly
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 2:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: The Collaborator


Judging by the date, Max is talking about the April 1st joke that Jammer pulled on everyone, where the comments all had stuff about DSC's control written through them.

Comment on the episode:

Have to agree with others, the Bajoran episodes are always the least appealing for me, and honestly though I know I am MEANT to want to see her comeuppance as a villain, Winn's nauseating constant "personal constituency" (as Sisko put it) of the prophets in every sentence drives me up the wall.

Here I really though Kira was going to drop that bomb on her, and she came close, but nah. Kai Winn. That means more Bajoran episodes, more Winn, more "The prophets are smiling on my culty bullshit this week child", more silly hats shaped like the Sydney Opera House, more earrings ... ech. I just want the prophets to show up, ask Winn for directions to see their pal Benjamin, and walk off leaving her looking dumbfounded in front of the Assembly or something.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 10:48am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Crossover

I nearly skipped this, as thanks to ENT and and DSC I was sick to the bone of mirror universe stuff. However I am glad I watched this one, as it immediately applied a different formula. Everyone, even the bar staff, knew who they were. No skulking around, "will they find out" plot (thankfully). The lack of agony booths was also a relief, as by this point they are an extremely tired concept, as, to be honest they were after even their first showing on TOS.

Its a shame they didn't develop the "teaching Kira to be Bajor's leader" idea any further, if this was even Kira's true intent. Mirror Kira was much less of a one dimensional tyrant such as those we see in other trek incarnations, even if obviously psychotic, and this was pleasing to see. Another flat 'evil sulu', or 'evil georgiou', or evil who the hell ever, and I would have been diving for the little "next episode" icon in netflix.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 8:41am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: The Wire

Episode 5, Season 2 "Cardassians":

Garak: "The Cardassians were quite meticulous record keepers... certainly records were made on a regular basis"

Orphanage Worker: "I wouldn't know, I wasn't a volunteer then. I was in the underground"

Garak: (with a look of terrifying glee) "REALLY? Then perhaps we HAVE met?!"


This moment is the one that makes me suspect and want Garak's real history to be one of Cardassian traitor, a sympathizer who joined the Bajoran underground, or at least aided them, and which is the true reason behind his exile. Just enough of the "truths" he told Bashir here could fit that - letting Bajorans go, the Obsidian Order wanting him to suffer forever.

However like all good Garak moments, that one line can so easily be taken both ways. Bloody hell, that's clever :)
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 7:23am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: The Maquis, Part II

Not bad at all. I struggle to retain interest in the Maquis as a few years back, a VOY watch through tired me out on them, but as an origin story this and the establishing TNG episode are interesting bits of history.

I am vaguely aware that Sisko becomes much harder edged and colder as the series progresses, and so I couldn't help but wonder if seeing the effectiveness of Dukat's approach with the trader doesn't go some way toward this, especially as there seems something of a connection between the two.

Oh for an episode with 'later' Sisko and Picard face to face on ethics....
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 6:21am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: The Maquis, Part I

Spoilers for future episodes in the comments again. To those who do it, may all your coffees be accidentally replicated with the cup turning up after the coffee and your prune juice warm.

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Bobbington Mc Bob
Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 5:02am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Blood Oath

Reading the comments now, I kind of wish I had enjoyed this episode more as so many others seem to have loved it. I am mid way through a TOS watch so have not yet met the Klingons we see here, and that might have redeemed it for me. As it was, this was "just another fusty ol Klingon episode" with talk of being a great war-yer, people with the physical presence of Angela Merkel doing bladed weapons katas, and combat scenes that can only be seen as a bit of fun.

Don't get me wrong, a bit of fun is fine, but for me ST is at its best when inducing feelings of awe, sadness or pride, which this season has had some amazing moments of. Usually built around Federation ideals and appeals to morality, or just to the more tender hidden parts of loved characters, these are the times when I am utterly glued to any Star Trek episode. For "Blood Oath" I felt myself rolling my eyes and wanting to skip forward a little too often, none moreso than when Kor started a Klingon two-note dirge at the end, reminding me of the face-planking monks from Life Of Brian (DONA EIS REQUIEM * SMACK *).

Perhaps if there had been a little more malice in the combat to actually showcase the desire for vengeance they all share, it might have meant something, but this was pure 1980's A-Team pre-watershed biff-a-thon.

The one redeeming moment for me was Jadzia's return to Ops, and the clever way the fallout is left hanging and only suggested by looks. This element is probably the most intriguing of the episode and I hope it comes up in future episodes.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 3:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Profit and Loss

Nice to finally see some movement with Garak. That genius line from many episodes back when he talks to the teacher at the Bajoran Orphanage, when the teacher mentions she was in the underground and Garak replies, sinisterly, "maybe we've met", left me twisting for days. It can be taken two completely opposing ways - either he prosecuted, jailed, maybe even tortured them, or ... he was one of them. It now seems that maybe its the latter, but that's the joy of Garak, you can never quite tell.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 2:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Playing God

I liked the Henson-eque puppetry of the voles setting off the universe splosion, but the rest of the episode, yeah I agree with others. They definitely filed all the good stories up the front of the season.

I hope they explore some of the background of Curzon at some point. I get the impression he was a massive jerk in many respects, and after the episode with the Trill that stole Dax, I would be interested to know how much of each Trill's personality is really in control and how much is symbiont. Given Curzon was a douche on some level, and the symbiont thief (whose name I forgot) was too, it makes me wonder how much Jadzia is keeping Dax in check.

Are the symbionts just an emotional and factual memory store, or something more? I can remember first seeing them in TNG and just feeling "its a parasite but everyone is making out like its a good thing", and its model was much more insect like and disturbing. In DS9 they made it look less abhorrent, but I still have a lot of questions about the nature of the whole joining process.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 1:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Shadowplay

Jake. Its white for engineering / controls data, red for library data and blue for ... something we aren't told. Its nice to not have another child genius morphing into an omniscient being in between being told to shut up, but how hard can it be to remember three things dude? You've been hanging out with Nog and breathing in his fart gas practical joke vapours too long.

I quite liked the episode, though it does feel like they put all the awesome installments up front in the season and we are now hitting the middling, more standard Trek fare.

The reveal of the one real human was clever. They are de-grumping Odo gradually and Dax always has some good one liners now, such as "After 7 lifetimes the impersonal questions aren't much fun". I felt like Dax could have upgraded the range a bit though so Taya could play beyond the tree without dematerialising body parts.

No love for the Prime Directive before they beam down though, but then who ever paid attention to it anyway :D
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 12:03pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Paradise

Just to add to why I believe the show felt sympathetic to Alixis, it all comes down to the treatment of key scenes and particularly score. If you want your audience to feel scared in a scene, you add scary music. If you want them to feel happy, you add happy music. If you add rousing music to someone's speech, you are sending a clear signal that says "you are meant to feel this speech is rousing". The lack of any challenge by the main characters underscores this, here with Sisko reduced to a bare "you will answer for what you have done", but a body language that states an absence of alternate strong opinion. "He'd been in the box for ages though" - it doesn't matter. To make a speech despite torture is a staple of good drama that no writer would have given up (see Chain of Command), unless they intended to. We were meant to feel conflicted over Alixis' philosophy, I feel that is quite clear.
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