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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 7:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Kinematic
I agree with you 100%. This story could've played out through subsequent seasons. It's like the writers just wanted to conclude it as quickly as possible and have him reunite with Stamets as Stamets lay close to death blah blah was the easiest way. As I've mentioned before I've been disappointed by Stamets in season 2 - how come he went from a major character in season 1 (where he even got to play two versions of himself!) to this? Did the writers just get bored with the character? He was so weedy and dreary this season I'm not surprised the new Culber wanted a break from him...
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 6:17am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Ooo @ReneB!

Thank you!
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 6:14am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Hi @Trent

I did think the Culber Stamets split up and the changes to Culber had a great deal of dramatic potential but the writers have already botched it by having them reunited in that gooey scene before Stamets gets put into his medically induced coma!
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 3:37am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Trent
"The idea of Culber being 'de-gayed' after his trip back from spore world is great"
Huh?! In what way is he 'de-gayed'? He just has issues with Stamets (and we don't really know what they are yet, perhaps we never will knowing these script writers) and that's not the same thing. I don't get any sense he's no longer a gay man.
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Artymiss
Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 2:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Greg M
Agree re Stamets. This has been a disappointment for me this season. He was a major character in season 1 but in season 2 was very under utilised. If I was Rapp I'd be fed up. As we've lost several characters hopefully there will be space in season 3 to make better use of Stamets.
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Artymiss
Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 2:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Galadrial
One comment by one poster may very well be the same length as all my shortish comments combined! I think you need to go by word length! Or you could use a ruler and measure each comment... :D
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
Tyler's last words "I did it all for you Michael..."
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@whatqnavry

"section 31 has ways"
Ha, maybe THAT can be the plot for the Section 31 spinoff! :D
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

And what about that speech Burnham gave at the end of Season 1 in front of a massive audience, with the bridge crew of Discovery all there and getting medals too. Better hope no one recorded it! Or that it was televised (or whatever passes for television then)... Not so simple to erase people from history really.
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 7:55am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
"Leland says he only wanted to beat her up until she panics"
Oh I see. I missed that, got so bored with it all I was doing a crossword at the same time by that point.

I wouldn't mind a Stammets at the Vulcan Science Academy spin off...
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 6:44am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
Oh god I just Googled Harry Mudd spinoff series and apparently it's a thing! It could actually happen! ST Mudd?!
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 6:34am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Lynos
"Leland...shoots everyone and misses"
Yeah those needle things that injected Control into his eyes obviously played havoc with his eyesight... There was something wrong with his fists as well, note how he could shatter the glass of the spore drive box but not Georgiou's jaw.

Was it ever explained how come we'd never seen the Kelpian race before or rather why weren't they ever seen again eg on DS9 in Quark's? Perhaps the Kelpian planet followed Michael and Discovery thru the wormhole.
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 3:14am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Cody B

Absolutely. Someone is probably already writing the Harry Mudd down a dilithium mine plot strand....

Or the whole past two seasons were a funny dream Stammets had while in his medically induced coma (from when he accidentally got hit on the head by Tilly during a game of parrises squares)...

It's written to be binge watched and not thought about deeply. Reminds me of junk food, addictive but full of empty calories.
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 2:45am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Booming
I am reminded of when an entire season of Dallas turned out to be (SPOILER ALERRT!) Bobby Ewing's dream!
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 2:25am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

So every Klingon and Kelpian (and Harry Mudd!) etc etc etc involved in the events of the past two seasons will also agree to NEVER speak of Burnham and Discovery and the spore drive etc EVER AGAIN?! How, when, where, why???
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 2:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@Slackerinc

Oh god yes the fake Tyler head, I'd forgotten all about that! Seems like the scriptwriters did too (or were hoping we had)!
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 1:58am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Well, that was everything I expected it to be. Unfortunately.

Thanks to @karlzimmerman for the thoughts on Cornwall's noble sacrifice scene, I hadn't looked at it like that (I think I was too busy rolling my eyes at this point) but what you wrote illuminates Pike's situation very well. Pity the script writers are so ham fisted.

I lie in my first sentence as I didn't expect to be bored and I found this episode boring - the interminable space battle, Burnham going back in time to set all the red signals, Spock and Burnham's farewell (Burnham in tears YET AGAIN), Georgiou and Control's idiotic showdown... Oh and presumably Georgiou will need to steal the Red Angel suit to get back to the present to be able to star in the Section 31 spinoff that nobody really wants especially as they now want a Pike/Enterprise one instead...

The only things I liked: Reno, Georgiou and Saru's brief exchange, the Enterprise bridge.

The final scene was bizarre, it really felt like the permanent end of the show not a cliffhanger to lure us into wanting season 3.
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Artymiss
Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 8:43am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

I loved this episode.

But I think Bortus needs to buy Klyden a one way ticket back to Moclan. (The problem here is who gets custody of Topa...)
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 12:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@Alan Roi
"If one is looking at the season as being the equivalent of a 500 page novel..."

It isn't a novel though. It's a TV series. So I don't watch and compare it to a novel.

Besides which I suspect most 500 plus page novels could do with some editing, especially if they contain 10 pages of goodbyes.

And before you query my attention span my favourite novel is Richardson's Clarissa which is absolutely vast.
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Artymiss
Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 9:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@Rahul
I quite like plot arcs but the plots need to grow organically out of the characters not characters existing just to drive plot relentlessly forward backwards sideways etc. My main frustration with Discovery is the lack of interest in character development (and partly this is due to the excessive focus on Michael).
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Artymiss
Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 9:01am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

Isn't there a difference between a complex and a complicated narrative? I don't find Discovery particularly complex and don't (usually!) have difficulties working out what's happening. It does seem unnecessarily complicated though and when those complications are going on at breakneck speed I can understand why some people might have literally 'lost the plot' (I had to have it explained to me what happened to Leland's eyes as the scene was so fast and almost throw away in a yeah we'll cover this next week stop worrying audience way). Complex suggests to me nuanced and rich, complicated is messy and a bit WTF just happened and why.

I'm still wondering if we're going to get a complete reboot at the end of the next episode - Michael changes the timeline (so much she never even existed in the first place? or she exists but she isn't actually Spoke's adpoted sister anymore?) and we'll find ourselves back where we were right at the start with the original Georgiou as Captain and Saru with his ganglia back (and lots of changes eg no spore drive or holograms).
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 12:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

I was just thinking about the ST short set in the far future where Discovery is crewless and the lonely ship computer has developed into a sort of hyper intelligent and aware Alexa... So I reckon the entire crew gets back to the present at some point leaving Discovery hidden in the future for its own good and the good of the universe. I still think Michael will sacrifice herself and thus reset (reboot?) the past and that way Spock never had a sister and we find him beardless (I hope!) and back on Enterprise.

The other thing I ponder is this: Control destroying all sentient live in the universe... Does this include all mirror universes too?
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Artymiss
Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 7:10am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

Earlier in the week, after seeing Spock in his Enterprise uniform, I was thinking to myself I'd love a spinoff set on Enterprise with Pike, Spock and....Culber as the Enterprise Doc.

And Culber is actually moving to Enterprise! I did like that scene between Culber and Stamets because it was low key, I kept waiting for it to descend into the hideous melodrama and emoting just about everyone else was indulging in but thankfully it didn't. The music didn't help, it was trying to force me to feel something and I resented it. That Tyler/Burnham goodbye scene made me want to throw up in a bucket (as did the spinning camera work in the Reno/Stamets/Tilly scene).

Good use of Reno in this episode but where the hell has she been for most of the previous episodes?!

And how is Spock going to end up not in the future on Discovery but on Enterprise? I think Michael will reset the past in some crucial way when she zooms off into the future next episode. Once Michael has literally saved the universe where can this character go in terms of utter wonderous amazingfulness, surely she will have reached the pinnacle of her glory and we can have significantly less focus on her in season 3, please.

Leland's killing of the entire Discovery bridge crew early on during Michael's vision of the future really ticked me off, really cynical writing. Again all the soaring, emotional music. Was I supposed to care, be moved??? What would've been the point as that mass death is obviously not going to happen. And yet the show seemed to be expecting me to weep as if it had or would.
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 2:19am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@MadManMUC
Sorry no link to photo of Spock as when I went back to have another goggle at him the CBS FB post had mysteriously disappeared!
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Artymiss
Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 2:14am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@Peremensoe
Re Spock photo. The one I saw was posted yesterday on the main Star Trek FB page as part of an ad for Nathan Peck being a guest on that ST cruise thing. It was almost immediately removed and I've read it was accidently posted. Looked like official Season 3 Spock perhaps certainly not a composite. He looked great!
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