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Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor
What is with everyone who “expected a TNG feel”? Both the show runners AND Patrick Stewart were VERY clear for many months before the show premiered that it would NOT be a TNG show and that it would be very different from TNG days. In fact, it’s one of the main reason Stewart agreed to do it; that it was not the same thing he was doing during TNG. Accept it and move on, please. It’s getting tiresome. As are pointless and frankly inept complaints about the cursing. Get over yourself.
As for the episode, it was entertaining enough. Nothing too special though. The Seven cameo at the end was pretty thrilling. Elnor is a promising character, but didn’t have too much to do. Some of the banter was pretty amusing, and Alison Pill’s character continues to delight, even if her ‘clueless’ character personality was a little overplayed this time around. I look forward to where the story goes next.
What is with everyone who “expected a TNG feel”? Both the show runners AND Patrick Stewart were VERY clear for many months before the show premiered that it would NOT be a TNG show and that it would be very different from TNG days. In fact, it’s one of the main reason Stewart agreed to do it; that it was not the same thing he was doing during TNG. Accept it and move on, please. It’s getting tiresome. As are pointless and frankly inept complaints about the cursing. Get over yourself.
As for the episode, it was entertaining enough. Nothing too special though. The Seven cameo at the end was pretty thrilling. Elnor is a promising character, but didn’t have too much to do. Some of the banter was pretty amusing, and Alison Pill’s character continues to delight, even if her ‘clueless’ character personality was a little overplayed this time around. I look forward to where the story goes next.
Re: DSC S2: The Red Angel
I think some of you are too hard on Kurtzman. His job depends on keeping the show fresh with modern audiences in mind and, for better or worse, the superhero craze has taken on and visual excitement is what will get people watching. That's why the studios hired him. They would have taken no interest in whether he could replicate the intellectual themes of TNG or political intrigue of DS9.
I think some of you are too hard on Kurtzman. His job depends on keeping the show fresh with modern audiences in mind and, for better or worse, the superhero craze has taken on and visual excitement is what will get people watching. That's why the studios hired him. They would have taken no interest in whether he could replicate the intellectual themes of TNG or political intrigue of DS9.
Re: ORV S2: All the World Is Birthday Cake
I once heard about an interesting phrase written on someone’s tombstone. It said something like, “ I am now the wisest among you”.
The deceased, now knew if there was a God or not. The tombstone quote may or may not have been a real story but it was clever.
We can keep going back and forth discussing our religious beliefs or lack of beliefs but I doubt if anyone will sway anyone else. We’ll be under a tombstone some day and be wiser than we are today so maybe for now we can attempt, through our little place on this platform to try to encourage The Orville to keep making better and better episodes by sharing our ideas.
This episode, as many have already stated above, should have been much better without the many plot holes and the rushed ending. Maybe they should have re-written parts of the the script or make this a 2 part episode. The Orville has had some really good episodes and I guess I expect more from Seth M. and his team, which is unfair.
Let’s remember, that even the great Gene Roddenberry gave us “Spock’s Brain” as an episode in TOS so we can forgive. Unlike those earlier TV shows that produced 20 to 30 episodes per season, you just can’t afford to make too many bad episodes since in today’s world you’re only producing 12 to 15 episodes a season. This was not a terrible episode but it could and should have been better.
Thanks Seth for giving us a great TV show to enjoy and to discuss.
I once heard about an interesting phrase written on someone’s tombstone. It said something like, “ I am now the wisest among you”.
The deceased, now knew if there was a God or not. The tombstone quote may or may not have been a real story but it was clever.
We can keep going back and forth discussing our religious beliefs or lack of beliefs but I doubt if anyone will sway anyone else. We’ll be under a tombstone some day and be wiser than we are today so maybe for now we can attempt, through our little place on this platform to try to encourage The Orville to keep making better and better episodes by sharing our ideas.
This episode, as many have already stated above, should have been much better without the many plot holes and the rushed ending. Maybe they should have re-written parts of the the script or make this a 2 part episode. The Orville has had some really good episodes and I guess I expect more from Seth M. and his team, which is unfair.
Let’s remember, that even the great Gene Roddenberry gave us “Spock’s Brain” as an episode in TOS so we can forgive. Unlike those earlier TV shows that produced 20 to 30 episodes per season, you just can’t afford to make too many bad episodes since in today’s world you’re only producing 12 to 15 episodes a season. This was not a terrible episode but it could and should have been better.
Thanks Seth for giving us a great TV show to enjoy and to discuss.
Re: DSC S2: General Discussion
I agree with the commenter who said they enjoyed DSC S1 but found it flawed. I find Michael and Saru to be very compelling, very Trek characters. Also share the prequel bummer - I’m more interested in seeing the new characters develop than seeing Pike in the captain’s chair...
The 1st short was pretty good, but could have been 5 min longer to develop the ideas a little more. Looking forward to the one about Saru, who is my favorite DSC character
I agree with the commenter who said they enjoyed DSC S1 but found it flawed. I find Michael and Saru to be very compelling, very Trek characters. Also share the prequel bummer - I’m more interested in seeing the new characters develop than seeing Pike in the captain’s chair...
The 1st short was pretty good, but could have been 5 min longer to develop the ideas a little more. Looking forward to the one about Saru, who is my favorite DSC character
Re: VOY S4: Scientific Method
For many reasons, I thought that this was a very good episode. Years ago, I would have listed my favorite ST Captains as William Shatner, Patrick Stewart "and the rest" (as was sung in the Gilligan's Island theme song). I started to re-watch Voyager about a year ago when a local cable channel started showing the series in mini marathons. I enjoy the series more now than when it first aired. Janeway, in this episode and in other episodes like in the "Tuvix" episode has made me rethink my order of favorite captains. She makes decisions and if sometimes prisoners can't be taken, then they can't be taken.
It's refreshing to see a ST Captain who is decisive and makes enemy aliens run away from us for once.
On a more serious note and this site shouldn't be that serious, it should be fun.
However, as far as the "it's fun to torture & kill animals just because" crowd who have commented above. I know there are some people that want no animals to be killed, ever. I'm not a vegetarian so I don't want to sound hypocritical.
However, it's the 21st century and we put men on the Moon, almost 50 years ago!!!
So, is it too much to ask that we start heading into a direction that we drastically lower the number of animals we do lab testing on? Humans are very innovative. If animal testing was suddenly more restrictive, in many cases, we would create a way to get the results we needed without testing animals.
Is it too much to ask that we find a less painful way to kill animals that are sent to slaughterhouses?
Is it too much to ask that those that hunt, use a method that kills an animal quickly? That when you are on a tree stand waiting all day for a deer that never appears, that you don't take out your frustrations on a squirrel or a sparrow or a chipmunk??
Is it too much to ask that you go online and find out how best to kill and boil a lobster quickly so it doesn't suffer long rather than to put it into a pot of cold water and torture it slowly?
Why can't we reach a point that when necessary, we cause animals less pain and not more??
Is it really too much to ask??
As far as the comment from that "great humanitarian", John, who commented above on this page on 12-4-2015 at 12:52 AM. He eloquently said the following:
"F--- that! I would gladly brutally torture and kill every single animal on the planet in order to save even one homeless man with HIV! Human life comes first, as it should".
What's there to say?? Except, what if one day, I were to hear on the news that John fell into a Polar Bear exhibit after calling the bear "stupid" and was mauled beyond repair.
Would I shed a tear?
Maybe but it would be for the bear who unfortunately, might now need to be euthanized.
Anyway, Captain Janeway is so much better than I remembered her.
Thanks for this website.
For many reasons, I thought that this was a very good episode. Years ago, I would have listed my favorite ST Captains as William Shatner, Patrick Stewart "and the rest" (as was sung in the Gilligan's Island theme song). I started to re-watch Voyager about a year ago when a local cable channel started showing the series in mini marathons. I enjoy the series more now than when it first aired. Janeway, in this episode and in other episodes like in the "Tuvix" episode has made me rethink my order of favorite captains. She makes decisions and if sometimes prisoners can't be taken, then they can't be taken.
It's refreshing to see a ST Captain who is decisive and makes enemy aliens run away from us for once.
On a more serious note and this site shouldn't be that serious, it should be fun.
However, as far as the "it's fun to torture & kill animals just because" crowd who have commented above. I know there are some people that want no animals to be killed, ever. I'm not a vegetarian so I don't want to sound hypocritical.
However, it's the 21st century and we put men on the Moon, almost 50 years ago!!!
So, is it too much to ask that we start heading into a direction that we drastically lower the number of animals we do lab testing on? Humans are very innovative. If animal testing was suddenly more restrictive, in many cases, we would create a way to get the results we needed without testing animals.
Is it too much to ask that we find a less painful way to kill animals that are sent to slaughterhouses?
Is it too much to ask that those that hunt, use a method that kills an animal quickly? That when you are on a tree stand waiting all day for a deer that never appears, that you don't take out your frustrations on a squirrel or a sparrow or a chipmunk??
Is it too much to ask that you go online and find out how best to kill and boil a lobster quickly so it doesn't suffer long rather than to put it into a pot of cold water and torture it slowly?
Why can't we reach a point that when necessary, we cause animals less pain and not more??
Is it really too much to ask??
As far as the comment from that "great humanitarian", John, who commented above on this page on 12-4-2015 at 12:52 AM. He eloquently said the following:
"F--- that! I would gladly brutally torture and kill every single animal on the planet in order to save even one homeless man with HIV! Human life comes first, as it should".
What's there to say?? Except, what if one day, I were to hear on the news that John fell into a Polar Bear exhibit after calling the bear "stupid" and was mauled beyond repair.
Would I shed a tear?
Maybe but it would be for the bear who unfortunately, might now need to be euthanized.
Anyway, Captain Janeway is so much better than I remembered her.
Thanks for this website.
Re: TNG S6: Chain of Command, Part I
Reply to Nick M from July 6, 2012.
First, thank you for your 25 years of service to this country. I agree with your post. I also lost a lot of respect for the Riker character in this episode. I loved and wished that Jellico could have been a Captain on a ST series. It could have been a great series and showed us a different leadership style.
I liked Picard but sometimes, watching TNG made me feel like I was watching the UN deliberating.
In the TOS, whenever Shatner, as Captain Kirk, led a landing party, there was a good chance that someone was getting punched in the face (or kissed if the opponent was a woman).
I watched these 2 episodes when they originally aired and I loved Jellico immediately. He was a refreshing change and for once, the bad guy was genuinely afraid of a ST Captain.
Reply to Nick M from July 6, 2012.
First, thank you for your 25 years of service to this country. I agree with your post. I also lost a lot of respect for the Riker character in this episode. I loved and wished that Jellico could have been a Captain on a ST series. It could have been a great series and showed us a different leadership style.
I liked Picard but sometimes, watching TNG made me feel like I was watching the UN deliberating.
In the TOS, whenever Shatner, as Captain Kirk, led a landing party, there was a good chance that someone was getting punched in the face (or kissed if the opponent was a woman).
I watched these 2 episodes when they originally aired and I loved Jellico immediately. He was a refreshing change and for once, the bad guy was genuinely afraid of a ST Captain.
Re: TNG S6: Rascals
Reply to Andrew from 2-10-2016.
I agree. I think Riker was giving the cameraman, the writers or someone else the finger for this episode.
Here is a short video link showing that scene.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5EaoSA02LM
Reply to Andrew from 2-10-2016.
I agree. I think Riker was giving the cameraman, the writers or someone else the finger for this episode.
Here is a short video link showing that scene.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5EaoSA02LM
Re: TNG S6: True Q
Troi's hair!
Troi's hair!
Troi's hair!
Troi's hair!
What the......???
Also, as a reply to Steven from 12-1-2016 regarding interns getting to meet a Captain.
In any organization, an intern doesn't even get to meet a middle level manager let alone the CEO of an organization - on day 1 no less!!
"Now make me 50 copies of this and get me some coffee!" That's probably more what a typical intern would experience.
Troi's hair!
Troi's hair!
Troi's hair!
Troi's hair!
What the......???
Also, as a reply to Steven from 12-1-2016 regarding interns getting to meet a Captain.
In any organization, an intern doesn't even get to meet a middle level manager let alone the CEO of an organization - on day 1 no less!!
"Now make me 50 copies of this and get me some coffee!" That's probably more what a typical intern would experience.
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain
As time goes on Hollywood sucks more and more. So hopefully with all these revelations of the systemic predatory behavior of the people who run the old, tired and worn-out entertainment, music and media industry things will start to change for the better. We need all the old hags and bags that continually churn out useless drivel and garbage year after year to finally be outed as the sexual predators (rapists & pedophiles) that they are and the whole industry needs to collapse. This will cause a much needed turnover of personnel all across the industry that hopefully will bring in new people with fresh ideas that could potentially bring about a new golden era of entertainment and media.
The entire industry is infested with fat bloated pigs that are completely out of touch with reality and the public's taste in general.
That is why new shows and movies like (STD) will never be "great" and only "average" or "mediocre" at best. Hollywood, Nashville, and the MSM are completely out of anything fresh and will continue on this path of self-destruction unless they have a modern-day reformation.
#HollywoodHasJumpedTheShark
#OutPedoHollywood
#HollywoodReformation
As time goes on Hollywood sucks more and more. So hopefully with all these revelations of the systemic predatory behavior of the people who run the old, tired and worn-out entertainment, music and media industry things will start to change for the better. We need all the old hags and bags that continually churn out useless drivel and garbage year after year to finally be outed as the sexual predators (rapists & pedophiles) that they are and the whole industry needs to collapse. This will cause a much needed turnover of personnel all across the industry that hopefully will bring in new people with fresh ideas that could potentially bring about a new golden era of entertainment and media.
The entire industry is infested with fat bloated pigs that are completely out of touch with reality and the public's taste in general.
That is why new shows and movies like (STD) will never be "great" and only "average" or "mediocre" at best. Hollywood, Nashville, and the MSM are completely out of anything fresh and will continue on this path of self-destruction unless they have a modern-day reformation.
#HollywoodHasJumpedTheShark
#OutPedoHollywood
#HollywoodReformation
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain
I didn't find the fuck any more jarring than when Scotty refereed to a character as a bastard in one episode. I was surprised that made it through 1960's TV.
I didn't find the fuck any more jarring than when Scotty refereed to a character as a bastard in one episode. I was surprised that made it through 1960's TV.
Re: TOS S1: The Man Trap
Why did the network choose to air Mantrap as the first episode? Leonard Nimoy sort-of answered this in a show he once did - a retrospective on Trek to that point and a teaser for what was the next thing in Trek (can't remember if it was one of the movies or perhaps TNG).
Anyway... Mantrap was an episode with a recognizable monster - most closely conforming to the expectations of the network execs as to what sci-fi was all about - monsters and aliens terrorizing mankind. They weren't exactly enlightened.
Why did the network choose to air Mantrap as the first episode? Leonard Nimoy sort-of answered this in a show he once did - a retrospective on Trek to that point and a teaser for what was the next thing in Trek (can't remember if it was one of the movies or perhaps TNG).
Anyway... Mantrap was an episode with a recognizable monster - most closely conforming to the expectations of the network execs as to what sci-fi was all about - monsters and aliens terrorizing mankind. They weren't exactly enlightened.
Re: TNG S5: The Perfect Mate
I'd give this one and a half stars, purely for Janssen's and Stewart's performances. The plot is poorly written (especially the Ferengi bits) and morally objectionable, basically a fantasy for teenage males who aren't good at attracting women. That Kamala's been brainwashed since she was four years old to believe it's her job to get men off sounds like the opposite of free will to me.
I'd give this one and a half stars, purely for Janssen's and Stewart's performances. The plot is poorly written (especially the Ferengi bits) and morally objectionable, basically a fantasy for teenage males who aren't good at attracting women. That Kamala's been brainwashed since she was four years old to believe it's her job to get men off sounds like the opposite of free will to me.
Re: VOY S6: Virtuoso
As a copyright lawyer, I have a belief that Paramount should have doled out some dough for the royalty payments for music that is contemporaneous to the time of production.
(And then created other styles.)
As a copyright lawyer, I have a belief that Paramount should have doled out some dough for the royalty payments for music that is contemporaneous to the time of production.
(And then created other styles.)
Re: VOY S6: The Voyager Conspiracy
I found this entertaining - almost as a parody of "The X-Files." Mulder on crack? Absolutely - Seven didn't sound so much different than Mulder in the series finale of "The X-Files," did she?
I found this entertaining - almost as a parody of "The X-Files." Mulder on crack? Absolutely - Seven didn't sound so much different than Mulder in the series finale of "The X-Files," did she?
Re: VOY S6: Survival Instinct
Michael, once again, showing how shallow his thinking is.
This episode was not about "The Borg," but about some Borg that were able to break free partially because of a freak ship accident. So, already, your thinking is starting off on the wrong foot about the episode.
This was an excellent character piece about the struggle of one's one individuality to come through once one is tied to another.
If the Borg is able to take away one's individuality, what happens when a small group can only be in the middle of individuality and group-think?
Michael, once again, showing how shallow his thinking is.
This episode was not about "The Borg," but about some Borg that were able to break free partially because of a freak ship accident. So, already, your thinking is starting off on the wrong foot about the episode.
This was an excellent character piece about the struggle of one's one individuality to come through once one is tied to another.
If the Borg is able to take away one's individuality, what happens when a small group can only be in the middle of individuality and group-think?
Re: VOY S5: Warhead
So many logical inconsistencies in this episode. Did the Bomb-omb Doc say he was not peogrammed to negotiate? Yet he knew what negotiation was.
So many logical inconsistencies in this episode. Did the Bomb-omb Doc say he was not peogrammed to negotiate? Yet he knew what negotiation was.
Re: VOY S3: The Q and the Grey
I just finished watching this episode and I feel dirty.
Doesn't Q and "Trek" in general deserve better than teenage-level swooning and sexual pastiche?
I just finished watching this episode and I feel dirty.
Doesn't Q and "Trek" in general deserve better than teenage-level swooning and sexual pastiche?
Re: DS9 S6: You Are Cordially Invited
When, during the wedding ceremony, Worf's former wife refers to him as, "Worf, Son of Mogh...", isn't that incorrect? Isn't he now of the House of Martock(sp?) ?
When, during the wedding ceremony, Worf's former wife refers to him as, "Worf, Son of Mogh...", isn't that incorrect? Isn't he now of the House of Martock(sp?) ?
Re: DS9 S6: You Are Cordially Invited
Nobody has mentioned that the beat from the Klingon drummers in no way matched the beat on the soundtrack.
Meanwhile, perhaps all the TNG clue were drifting hopelessly in space after the last battle...
Nobody has mentioned that the beat from the Klingon drummers in no way matched the beat on the soundtrack.
Meanwhile, perhaps all the TNG clue were drifting hopelessly in space after the last battle...
Re: DS9 S6: Favor the Bold
The scene in which the female changling thanks Odo for showing her how solids make love...I couldn't stop laughing.
Imagine the parts they didn't show: "No, see this shape? You need to make the opposite of that for this to work!"
Sigh.
The scene in which the female changling thanks Odo for showing her how solids make love...I couldn't stop laughing.
Imagine the parts they didn't show: "No, see this shape? You need to make the opposite of that for this to work!"
Sigh.
Re: DS9 S6: Sons and Daughters
I love DS9, but there's no way Alexander would have survived the point having varying survived on Martok's ship
.
I love DS9, but there's no way Alexander would have survived the point having varying survived on Martok's ship
.
Re: DS9 S5: Business as Usual
I wasn't clear on just why Quark now has nothing to fear from revenge by Hagath...or by Gaila...who also should be fearing revenge by Hagath, since he vouched for Quark.
I wasn't clear on just why Quark now has nothing to fear from revenge by Hagath...or by Gaila...who also should be fearing revenge by Hagath, since he vouched for Quark.
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light
So Sisko wasn't upset that Kira attacked station security personnel, stole and then erased security files, and stole a runabout for a one-woman unauthorized mission...which we saw could obviously have been handled better by the Defiant?
This, on top of Jakob's observations...well, there's an untold story of the aftermath here.
So Sisko wasn't upset that Kira attacked station security personnel, stole and then erased security files, and stole a runabout for a one-woman unauthorized mission...which we saw could obviously have been handled better by the Defiant?
This, on top of Jakob's observations...well, there's an untold story of the aftermath here.
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