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Malia
Wed, May 13, 2020, 1:53am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Ashes to Ashes

OMG, I just finished reading this entire thread, after re-watching this episode for the first time after its initial run. And I can't believe neither Jammer nor anyone else here has pondered among the comments what has sparked discussions elsewhere:

The Kobali look to be of the same species that the Borg Queen originates from (Species 125)!!

Even if somehow it was merely some look-alike species (the way many aliens look human in the Star Trek universe) surely Seven and the Captain should have immediately made not of this—perhaps also the Borg kids there (though who knows if the Queens visual image is known/shared with all drones, especially not-yet-mature ones, or not.) I mean... an alien shows up looking like the leader or epicenter of Borgdom, and it's not worth even a comment from anyone?

If true, it's fascinating to contemplate the layers in all this. How did someone (a Kabali) even get to be a Borg Queen? Is it because a select former-individual is found upon assimilation to have a superior brain? Or were the Kobal a very old space-faring civilization, and perhaps it was their skill at reanimating/re-engineering corpses into a distinct new entity that radically impacted the "perfection" of the Borg by adding this as their "distinctiveness" to the Borg Collective.

Maybe, prior to assimilating Species 125, the Borg as entities were more biological OR more tech. Perhaps assimilation as a process killed many many captives, but the Kabali "re-animation" process changed all that. Perhaps the Borg aren't so much continually living beings, enslaved by tech. What if, instead, they do die (physiologically) at the moment of assimilation, then the re-animation happens to transform new assimilates into what we know as Borg, reborn.

Why would they bother to make elaborate alien makeup and prosthetics so that this character looked like a Borg Queen, for nothing? It seems as if, in fact, they did. Which is not just bizarre, but such a waste!
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Malia
Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:33am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Virtuoso

Ah... nice to come to the end of a decade+ long comment thread and find that the very last one above (by William) addresses the thought I was left with after watching this—as did another, prior. I'll address each below:

The Doctor deftly pointed out to Janeway that, where "duty" factors into things, everyone else on Voyager was there because they willingly committed to it and to Star Fleet (including those who started as Maquis until they were all stranded. Ceska exercised free-choice in changing loyalties. She became persona non-grata, but it's not like at some point she was going to be captured and "forced to be a Star Fleet officer" again.

If Doc were NOT a sentient being, then of course, he isn't implied to have or endowed with any "agency," and therefore stays aboard as The Doctor. But by this point in the series, my understanding has been that Janeway and crew accept him as a sentient being—not created or intended to be thus, but having evolved due to their distinct circumstances and the people and situations with which he's engaged over time.

Thus, he should no longer to be viewed as "property" of Star Fleet." He is not a "slave." Considering his sentience, it's rather... generous?... for The Doctor to have even been willing to continue on as doctor, once he had evolved into developing so many other talents and interests.

I'm trying to recall all the Star Fleet legal stuff that went on regarding Data, given that there had been controversy around him and those in the Federation opposed to recognizing his sentience and right to exercise agency. It would be interesting to learn if the levels of such things were indeed comparable between The Doc and Data.

Now, to the aspects of Doc (having originated "merely" as a program + projection):

The idea of Janeway and others not wanting Doc to leave Voyager for reasons of crew morale, their friendship for him, and his place in their bonded "family" there... those all make sense.

But the idea that, if Doc leaves to join the Qomar, Voyager would be left without a Chief Medical Officer makes no sense. They have the original schematics or whatever for Doc's *original* programming. Yes, they would lose their beloved friend and colleague, but they could just boot up a new EMH to serve the crew's medical needs. This one might or might not become sentient of course, because its circumstances would not be the same (such as how The Doc had needed to remain "on" almost constantly when they first arrived in the Delta Quadrant.) Or who knows, perhaps B'elanna could enhance this or that subroutine. They could have a full replica of Doc from a backup even. Or, change the face of a new EMS for an entirely new actor to join the show.
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Malia
Sun, May 10, 2020, 12:11am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Prey

JG:

Lol, OK. My comment on pronouns was not about any human political correctness. It was noting that voyager crew refers to a superior being or life-form as "it"—which is typically what we use to refer to creatures that are way lower down on the evolutionary ladder than we fancy ourselves to be as humans. Species 8472 aren't "things", not insects or rats or a fungus. They're potentially like "gods" compared to us—at least what we (through voyager crew's eyes) know of them at this point in the series. They don't need to be "humanoid"—indeed, humanoid beings are inferior to Species 8472. (I'm not clear about the Hirogen tho. Sure, they can hunt a lonely stranded individual, but i didn't get a sense from this how a Hirogen fleet would fare if they went to fluidic space to fight armies of 8472s.

They are superior beings, not pets, not bacteria, not rocks. So using a term that we use for "inferior" things isn't in line with how we would expect this "enlightened" crew to talk.
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Malia
Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Equinox, Part II

One more note about the Doc and Ethical Subroutines:

If he had those removed, he would still love (or deeply like at least) Seven. If his ethics were erased, he would still feel the same toward Seven, and so it would have been far more realistic if that resulted in his going on a rampage to kill Ransom and the others, for harming Seven.

As far as him shutting the EMS program off, tho other commenters thought (given how easy that was) then anyone else could have done it, it makes sense to me that Doc (and only Doc) could do this, because the main computer would likely read Voyager Doc's voice print in the same way as its own Doc. Presumably the EMH programs have the ability to shut themselves down. And since voyager doc's eventual "sentience" seems to have come as a surprise, the computer would not have reason to suspect that a free-thinking, distinct individual—rather than its own ship's Doc—was making that request.

I also think it's likely that the Equinox Doc was not at all the unique sentient entity that Voyager Doc evolved into (which has had much to do with his unique experiences and interaction with the personalities on Voyager and those they've met from other places. Thus, Eq. Doc was acting merely as a non-sentient EMH program being directed by Ransom and the others—NOT out of "loyalty", as the above commenters assumed.
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Malia
Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:48am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Drone

First. I just have to say how much I enjoy seeing these comments continue so many years after the show aired, wow!!

I think what bothered me the most is how, despite ONE being the literal child of that ensign (not by choice, but still) his father was not at all included in any moment or aspect of One’s existence thereafter. IT’S HIS KID, DAMMIT—not Seven’s (unless, given her nanoprobes’ envolvement, maybe One is the child
of both?

Sure, maybe the ensign would choose not to connect with his offspring—but them SHOW this, onscreen! And I would understand how, for security reasons, Janeway would need to terminate his parental rights, given that executive leadership capacity would be required here. But again, if that’s the case, SHOW THIS.

On another note - an idea, not a critique - it could have been interesting if the holo-emitter (either initially, or later, after One’s death) somehow recognized the Doctor as a “being” to assimilate, not just a program. Perhaps a 29th Century tech attribute. Imagine if Borg technology then adapted to assimilate holographic “life”—and assimilate the Doc! ;)
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Malia
Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 10:40pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Demon

I just want to add that if these new clone lifeforms have, as their native habitat, a Y Class planet environment. And they are, essentially, being with the thoughts and memories of the crew (as well as awareness that they are something also other,) then wouldn't that convergence of facts then make this, officially, the very first planetary and species member of the Federation in the Delta Quadrant? And wouldn't that also be something of profound significance to the community of civilizations withing the Federation overall—a member group that can, live one, thrive on, and therefore colonize and develop further Y Class planets throughout the Galaxy? Think of the technology that such lifeforms would be able to create based on such a different environment—and how that knowledge would increase the Federations overall capacity! There could be Federation colonies set of on every Y Class planet, focused on deuterium mining, even!

Meanwhile, the "silver blood" basically *assimilates* the DNA of organic lifeforms. That could make for some interesting conjecture and subsequent encounters with The Borg. Would the human-clones choose to direct the "silver blood" to avoid copying Borg DNA? Or, if it encountered then copied it, would it be just the DNA of the species of assimilated former-individual? Maybe it could be weaponized against the Borg, assimilating Borg cubes by copying them, but in a state that could withstand such extreme temperatures as to make it superior to Borg-original ships and tech because of that quality?

Then, too, if those clones left on the planet have the same memories as the originals, perhaps they would want to also be close to Earth! They could have copied Voyager (but comprised of their 500K-native substance) and joined the original Voyager on the "return home," then made nearby Venus with its ultra-hot temps their new home.

So may things they could have done to make this premise more complex and further reaching in impact... *sigh.*
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Malia
Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 12:33am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: The Killing Game

In echoing the sentiment of all those above who tire of all the repeated 20th Century Earth scenarios, here’s one that I thought could have actually been interesting and apt for the Hirogens to select as a holodeck war program:

The Eugenics War.

We’ve never seen it; only heard about it and it’s consequences. Surely the Hirogen would have found those Augment supermen much more compelling prey. Imagine them battling a EW iteration of the young (pre-Botany Bay) Khan Noonien Singh!

Ah, one of these days...
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Malia
Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 9:37am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Prey

This has been quite an interesting thread to read!

First, I'll share my big pet peeve with "Prey": That the Voyager crew constantly refer to that Species 8472 as *IT*. Like it's an android, or an amoeba, or a quasar. Every other life form is a she, he, or they (meant in the plural AND the contemporary "no gender known or asserted"). Species 8472 is not only a sentient lifeform, it is a SUPERIOR lifeform compared with every other lifeform whose world's are currently members of the Federation. Physiologically superior, intellectually superior, and technologically superior to US.

It was as though the Voyager crew took on the language of the Hirogen! The Hirogen see all lifeforms beyond their own as prey—as "it". But surely humans should not—especially given all that characteristic empathy folks in this thread have noted. Don't know the gender of, or IF there is a gender for that member of Species 8472? Use "they." Or heck, keep saying "the member of Species 8472" even, sans pronoun. Not "it."

My thoughts on a few other scenarios noted in the above comments:

Regarding Species 8472's prior stated purpose of coming to our galaxy to "purge all life," since they didn't have experience in this realm—and maybe didn't know it/we existed until the Borg burst through that rift—they may not comprehend that the Borg do not represent the manner of ALL Milky Way beings, or even the profound diversity among them. It would therefore be easy to stereotype as "Galaxy beings are hell bend on "assimilating", i.e. destroying us, therefore our survival depends on our wiping out Galaxy beings."

Considering Star Trek's overall (very annoying!!!) habit of ascribing characteristics, cultural norms, values, etc. to a WHOLE PLANET OF BEINGS based on the 5 or 15 or 500 they encounter in one tiny geographic region of a planet or of space, it's surely not out of the questions for other beings to similarly stereotype What if the first aliens from another world arrive in Romania? Or Namibia? or Samoa? Very distinct cultures and peoples. So why does Starfleet stereotype every planet based on a tiny sample group? Species 8472 may just be doing the same—they don't know any better. Yet.

Regarding the Kes plot hole noted, as to how Species 8472 got so far away from where Voyager encountered them in that Borg battle... we have no idea how expansive (in terms of across how much "space turf" covered) it had been. Voyager encountered that battle site, or the aftermath. But perhaps there were many more. Perhaps also, the rift splintered into other parts of the Delta Quadrant.

Also, given that we know Species 8472 is far more advanced than not only Starfleet, but also the Borg—and that the Hirogen are, mostly, as well—it's not such a big stretch of imagination to see that both of these (Hirogen and 8472) would be capable of traveling such distances much faster than a Starfleet or Borg vessel. Hence... 10,000 light years away, there they are.

While we do learn more about 8472 in future episodes, just focusing on what we know to this point, of episode "Prey," I don't know that we can truly know to call them a "psychopathic" civilization or beings. For all we know (at this point in the saga) they were just talking tough, based on what they knew Galaxy beings (i.e. The Borg) to be like.

To infer they are monstrous as a value system, for wiping out Bork worlds and threatening to kill all life forms (if it's NOT just big talk), then we need to look in the mirror ourselves. We destroy insect colonies all the time. Are we "evil"? for not wanting roach or termite or wasp infested homes? To Species 8472, The Borg Starfleet, etc., may be lifeforms at that level, when compared to them. The Borg (roaches/termites/wasps) invaded their home, and they came to eradicate them.
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Lack of Malice
Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 8:59am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

Vote with your clicks... if you don't like this site, go someplace else. It's not like Internet lacks for places to discuss Star Trek.
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HaliaWestron
Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 11:54am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Ethics

One, thing that really irritates me about those reviews is this arrogant anthropocentrism: "Of course is a silly custom, because we humans automatically know what's objectively wrong and right!" This same happened when Jammer was talking about "TNG Half a life" when he automatically said that Kaelon's custom is obviously stupid, without even considering why it even existed in the first place. If aliens exists, they are culturally different that us - do we have the right to judge them by human standards? I completely agree, I would also say its a somewhat biased modern western viewpoint and reading this in 2020 it feels incredibly shallow and even bigoted. There are plenty of cultures in which ritual suicide is a social/culturally accepted path. To state that the episode fails because Worf's cultural mindset is 'silly' is failing in critical thought. Throughout TNG (and other star trek series) Klingons are shown to have a culture that espouses ritual suicide in various situations. They are also a people with very specific views about the physicality needed. Perhaps Jammer should have listened to Picard a few more times............... "that's a very human perspective, for a KLINGON in Worf's position, his life is over...... we don't have to agree with it, we don't have to understand it"
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SouthofReality
Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 11:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

Jamahl gave this piece of trash 3 & 1/2 stars?????

Quick! Someone check his neck for a blue tail!
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SouthofReality
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Heart of Glory

Yar should be working on her resume after Picard fires her for the inept security job. I suspect the Klingon captain had heard through the grapevine all pathetic star fleet security is and was thinking: "2 Klingon warriors against a whole star fleet vessel? oy! I best send over some help because those guys are worthless."
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Malia
Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 9:50am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: All Our Yesterdays

One thing that always bugged me about this episode:

There they discover the Atavachron, a marvelous, powerful device of a technology the Federation clearly does not have. Why then does the Enterprise not beam it up to save and study it? Or, if somehow it's too massive or can't be moved or transported, why not beam a librarian or archivist to quickly/expertly beam up a chunk of the library contents? It's not stealing if it's all going to vaporize. Shouldn't sentient life in the future want to learn about this fascinating civilization?

Meanwhile, something useful for a historian to do (besides Lt. MacGivers in Space Seed): Wouldn't someone on the enterprise know what would have been some warp-capable civilizations 5000 earth years ago? Sure, we know the Vulcans were brutal at that time, but what about others—those that existed at the same time as the Federation but much older, or even those that existed 5000 yrs ago, but may have died out, say, 1000 yrs ago?

For example... they could have contacted someone like the Fabrini (from "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky.") OK the Fabrini's sun went nova further back, they said 10,000 yrs. But imagine if the timelines were closer for the two? Spock and McCoy contact the ancestors of Yonada, and travel to and joing their civilization—which McCoy especially has a connection to? Or, strictly in the right time frame of 5,000 yrs... they could contact another civilization that Federation archaeologists have studied well.

In such a case, genius Spock could have repurposed the tech of their communicators and phasers to search for signals of sentient, technologically advanced life—or even send some signals of his own, targeted to the most likely candidates. Sure, it wouldn't get them back to their own time. But if they were to be stuck there and then... better than alone on an ice planet.

Then, even when Spock/ McCoy found they could and did return to the Enterprise, Zarabeth could have such options available to her!
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Malia
Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 11:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Mudd's Women

Dumbest aspect of this episode — aside from its gender politics:

These women, without the pills, were just... regular looking. Maybe a bit tired. Any 13 year old YouTube beauty vlogger today could have Kardashian-ified them with the "right" makeup to achieve virtually THE SAME results as they got with those "magic crystals." And if that weren't enough, a visit to a good dermatologist for the equivalent of a few dermal filler or botox injections later... done.

Besides, much of what made those women so "beautiful" then was that they wore sexy, form-fitting dresses, has their hair expertly styled and flattering makeup. If they missed a few nights sleep, didn't wear make-up or brush their hair, and wore messy old clothes, they wouldn't look that fancy-hot.

Plastic surgery already existed in the 1960s. Surely, by the timeframe TOS is set in, any woman in the Federation probably only has to wave a wand over her face, drink some kind of rejuva-juice, or apply a cream from a jar no more special in their time than Ponds or Nivea were in the 1960s. Thus, those crystals of Harry Mudd's would have attracted little to no value or interest in that era—no more than any other average beauty treatment of the day.

Meanwhile... if these rich miners on their remote planet really just wanted "trophy" wives to stand around, look hot, and have sex with them—not also true and loving companions—surely the techno-aesthetic advancements in sex-bots by that time would have offered sufficient and indestructible models for that purpose.

Harry Mudd has always been, to me, among the more irritating of Trek guest-star characters. That he should be given TWO episodes in the original series... lord. At least on the android planet he had that wacky interplay with the Enterprise crew that offered some amusement.

And speaking of the androids... it would have worked better if those 2 Mudd episodes were combined—with Mudd instead pimping out the "Alice" series beauties to lonely men throughout the galaxy!
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Malia
Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 11:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Man Trap

It wasn't until a commenter above suggested that this monster-being (and let's call it a "being" and not a "creature"; it was sentient life) behaved like an obsessed psychopath that I ever had a truly unsympathetic thought about it. Although it's possible that its mental state was far from "normal", but had actually been warped by living in a near-starving state and having seen everyone they ever knew die from lack of salt-food.

I didn't see why, in the end, they'd need to kill it. Phasers can be set to stun, they could do an intra-ship beam to a cell with a forcefield, or give it a shot of something to knock it out for a bit. They could have ambushed it and while 2 guard held it down, then Spock do the mind-meld to communicate with it (let is know they have limitless salt out in the galaxy and it doesn't need to kill for it—if it's really not killing out of bloodlust but, rather, the need for salt as sustenance.
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Malia
Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 2:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

My biggest issue with this episode is what STEVERAGE noted above:

"Bele has been chasing Lokai for 50,000 years?!?!?!? Right...... yet they were close enough to reach Cheron in a few hours...... and in all that time neither had noticed the Cheroni had annihilated each other...... I'm all for a bit of socio-political commentary, but does it have to be this stupid?"

It made me think that, if the Federation had known about all this sooner (um, if they were already so close to reach Cheron, why didn't they??) this might have actually been a place where [re: TOS "A Taste Of Armageddon" episode] Eminiar VII's plan of "civilized" war-by-computer would have actually been a plausible solution—disintegration chambers and all! In fact, Anan 7 (leader of Eminiar) would have been an excellent diplomat to lead a mission to Cheron about this.

Hear me out, please:

The Eminians encountered by the Enterprise were (after 500 yrs) a super orderly society, seemingly non-violent and peaceful in their inter-personal interactions. They found all that so distasteful—in contrast to the banal destructiveness of their computer war. Whereas the Cherons were so outwardly and inwardly filled with rage and violence. Perhaps the Eminians once were, too, and only "civilized" themselves through the course of the 500 yr war, such that by the time the Enterprise visited Eminianr VII the people had long been "Ready" for this next step: to think and act with diplomacy and end their war for good.

Self-segregation onto different planets or regions, then an "orderly war" over a few hundred years (or whatever, given their long lifespans) might have just been enough for the profound rage in each "Race" to calm itself. YES, as with Eminiar, millions would die over the time, BUT... instead of ending with a burning planet where everyone's dead, the Cherons (like the Eminians) could have survived as peoples and cultures, with the planet in tact, until some future time where they would be read for a Kirk-style intervention and finally end it all.
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Malia
Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 2:44am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Way to Eden

This was my favorite episode as a gradeschool kid—because of the music and the costumes. Adam was my favorite character, for reasons others have noted above.

My issues with it (because "favorite" doesn't mean "best"—by a longshot!) include:

For a crew on a ship traveling the galaxy, seeking out new civilizations and encountering a multitude of ways, mores, and cultures, it makes no sense for them to find this group so strange—certainly no stranger than most other groups. And with humans from earth already living on maybe tens or even hundreds of planets by then, certainly the already widely-varied cultural expressions found on earth over the millenia would have further splintered into more and more variation.

I agree with comments above about Tong (or is it Tongo?) Rad's darkness. He's just a spoiled privileged a$$.

Re: Irina and Chekhov, I found it kind of a chilling commentary on Federation society for him to express such horror at her ostensibly throwing her life away, just because she decided not to use her education/talents as part of the Federation's military industrial complex. Surely in their century, there are myriad streams of professional and personal opportunities. If only a military one is really respected as a "success"... ugh.

Dr. Sevrin is of course not the only time in TOS we see a well-respected genius type figure losing his or her mind. In his story, it's especially sad as he acts like a selfish and greedy colonizer.

As far as looking for the planet Eden...

I think the perfect planet for this group would have been Omicron Ceti III (from "This Side Of Paradise.) No Indigenous animal life forms to be hurt by synthecoccus novae disease. The plant sports would protect the hippies from any harm from the Berthold rays. And, the laid back vibe created by the spores' influence on human behavior is, frankly, no different from how Sevrin and his gang were already striving to live as, as a value system. In fact, they wouldn't even need the spores (though they'd probably find a way to smoke them, lol.) That planet truly was a paradise for anyone who desired that lifestyle.

Then, for the Romulan element... I did find the hippies dismissing of that threat highly... illogical. Even by their hippie logic. They were all citizens of the Federation (even if they reject its norms.) Surely all know that crossing the Neutral Zone is a BIG F*ing DEAL. Surely they would know, with 100% certainty, that the minunte Romulans discover Federation citizens colonizing one of their planets would bring swift attack and they'd all be killed. At most—even if the plants weren't filled with acid poison!—they'd get a few weeks or months, then they'd be killed. None of them seemed to understand their journey to Eden as comprising a suicide trip. Therefore, why do what they did? Kirk wasn't trying to keep them from that "Eden" to be a d*ck. He forbid them from going because (a) The Romulans would come and kill them all, and (b) it could spark a war with the Federation. There was no possibly scenario in which they would get to go to this Eden to actually make and live a life.

Despite all that, despite it being silly often enough, it's still an episode I always enjoy watching. For the singing (yes, the sining!), for Adam, and for Chekhov finally getting some action! Yay, yayeeee.... brother :)
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Malia
Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:43am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Space Seed

Ricardo Montalban was the perfect casting choice for this character—if they'd have made this character... hm, Mexican? They made him a Sikh; I guess there may be some Latino converts somewhere (I've seen a few blonde/white Sikhs.) Then say all this stuff about them being warriors, like their religious faith is genetic? I guess they meant to say PUNJABI (the cultural group in India most Sikhs come from) but in that case, shouldn't he sound Anglo/Indian—presuming he'd have been send to English language schools as an elite being?

That point is what irritated me so much with the ST reboot and Cumberbatch. This would have been a perfect opportunity to cast some macho, charismatic Bollywood action hero (my vote: Akshay Kumar - Google his name + the film "Singh Is Kingh" to see him in a Turban - very much like the handsome turban painted of Khan that McGivers had made.

Other than that, Montalban was absolutely on fire in this episode. He's the kind of compelling, handsome, powerful figure that makes everyone enthralled in some way or other. When pondering how McGivers could just throw away her whole career and life after "90 seconds" with him... who's to say that "animal magnetism" (or some eugenics-friendly ultra-pheramones) wasn't part of his "superior man" character?

A final Khan note: how interesting of an alternative could it have been if the Botany Bay would have been discovered by the Klingons, not the Federation? Hot-blooded, physically powerful, warrior Klingons!! Would he have killed them or joined them! Hmm...
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Malia
Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:00am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Miri

As a child in the '80s, this was always a favorite episode - so rewatching it with a critical grown-up eye does disappoint a bit for the reasons noted here, to which I'd like to add the following:

They assume, without investigating further (as far as we're shown) any further than what would have been a few miles from that crumbling town. How do they know that, elsewhere—Fiji? the Himalayas? the Amazon? the Sahara? (whatever corresponds to comparable earth geography on this planet)—hundreds, heck thousands or even millions of kids, aren't alive and doing just fine? Why would the go-to presumption be that these 20 kids or so are the ONLY onlies? And that in every other geographic region of the world, 300-year old "child" survivors are all nothing more than a bunch of do-nothing brats?

[I know that sometimes, the Enterprise has some kind of power to "detect human life" in places, but in just as many other cases, it seems they cannot.]

Meanwhile...

If (perhaps taking place only "off screen") the Enterprise actual was able to and did do a thorough scan of the entire planet, and did confirm 100% that there were no other surviving children or adults except for these 20 or so 300-yr-olds...

Why on earth—or rather, why on double-earth—would the Enterprise leave these 20 "children" (dysfunctional people with no education, skills, training, medical care, etc., ALL ALONE on that planet (save for the "teachers" or whomever they left to help; can't be more than 4-5 of them) ? It's one thing for a group of adult space colonists to set up camp on a planet—by choice. But these elderly children surely deserved the opportunity to leave and experience actual functioning communities comparable to their own culture. Or any culture really, so long as it's not a planet where just about entire population was wiped out centuries ago?

Such a small group, there'd surely have been plenty of room on the Enterprise to transport them somewhere. And rightfully, they would have some advocate appointed to them to secure and protect their rights to a stake in their own planet, once outsiders learn of its existence and resources. (Seriously, what a prize for the Klingons to claim!)

One can only imagine the psychological warping of these "children" in all that time. Seeing all that violence of the gr'ups, the horrific extinction of all (at least sentient) life except for themselves. 300 years of festering emotional wounds. Teaching them to read, write, and farm aren't going to fix all that. They need role models and examples of possible ways to live and learn and thrive.
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 9:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Cogenitor

I'm currently watching Enterprise for the first time, and so far it's one of the worst episode I've seen, if not THE worst.


First of all, the relationships between characters seem kinda rushed. Trip, Reed, T'Pol and Archer are monodimentional. Reed is easily seduced. Trip is obsessed by the congenitor. Archer is happy. T'Pol is reluctant.

Secondly, why it's debatable whether humans have the right to intervene in this case, it's utterly stupid to consider that Trip - and Trip alone - is responsible for the suicide of the cogenitor. If something as simple as discovering one's potentiel is enough for triggering a suicide, then yeah, there's obviously something wrong the one's culture/society. If anything, it just proves that Trip was right.
And even if he was truly responsible, just for the same reasons Archer believes it's wrong to interfere, he should know that he has no way to determine that. Suicide is also part of culture. On earth, people will suicide for reasons that seem absurd to people of other cultures. There's no way for Archer to determine who's responsible for the cogenitor's suicide.

Finally, what's the lesson that is supposed to be taught here? When doing a first contact, don't try to find how an alien society works? Don't try to identify its problems and injustices? Just accept everything - including slavery, genocides, apartheid? Where is the line? Is it just "killing people"? That's completely in contradiction not only whith Star Fleet's values, but also with absolutely all Star Trek's captains behaviours, especially Archer's. If he's ready to free Suliban prisoners, disagree with the Klingons' judgment or literally everything else he's done in all other episode, then he should also agree with Trip on principle. He may disagree with the how, but he cannot blame Trip for the cogenitor's suicide. That's a big writing mistake.

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also, I find the comparison with how animals are treated on earth absurd. It's explicit in the episode that cogenitors are equals to the other genders. They have the exact same capacities, the only different is the gender. Same species, same everything.
Animals are our inferiors in many ways.

And after reading lots of comments there, I have toa dmit I'm disappointed both by the series AND its community. I expected this episode to be considered as one of the worst ever made. I can't understand how people can find it good or even interesting. The only interesting thing is that it shows good actions can have bad consequences... Which is not very original. And it's done in a terribly bad way. Probably gonna stop watching this show now.
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SouthofReality
Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 2:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

Great idea for a Voyager episode.

* Kim dies
* Neelix dies

And then the writers fumble what would've been a classic episode by bringing them both back.
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SouthofReality
Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 8:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Projections

No way this is a 4-star episode. Maybe 3-stars, but no more. The basic flaw in the story is that we KNOW that Barclay story is the illusion because if it isn't, there is no Voyager tv series. So what we're left with is the Doctor looking anxious trying to figure out what is reality and that can only take you so far.

Here's where it might have been better. If the Barclay version referenced the messages received via the Romulan scientist and then built the simulation based on the known facts contained within that message (the crew makeup, the Kazon, etc.) Then we would still have the Voyager universe from the tv series but also with a reasonable belief that the Barclay story is true. It would have kept us guessing, rather than - well, quite frankly - annoyed.
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SouthofReality
Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:29am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: The 37's

Once I saw the truck in space, I could only flashback to the SNL skit:

https://youtu.be/Sx0xOgFDXFg?t=27

and could never take the episode seriously after that.
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Natalia
Mon, Jan 15, 2018, 8:41am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: The Wolf Inside

Again, an awful episode... I can hardly call it Star Trek...

Lots of technobabble mixed with that nonsensical spore drive... I could believe in all the technobabble from TNG because it sounded plausible... but this nonsense is just laughable. I still can’t accept a spore drive or a network of fungi in space... this is utterly crap. Even worse is Tilly trying to save Stamets without any kind of medical supervision... and how was she supposed to know all that kind of stuff about the spore drive being so low ranked/inexperienced as she is? Completely implausible...

Then the Ash/Voq part... c’mon... the guy almost gets Michael killed and then she just walks away with him as if nothing happened at all... then he explains that he is a Klingon “reduced” to a human... whaaaaat? Really? Wow, it must be really easy to transform a Klingon into a human, to change all the internal organs, give him a perfect English and knowledge of a human... really (un)believable!!

Again... I almost couldn’t finish this episode... stopped it 3 times and almost gave up... STD is a really bad sci-fi disguised as Star Trek...
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Jabalian Fudge Cake
Wed, Nov 15, 2017, 12:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

The writers themselves have admitted the Klingons in Discovery are modeled on Trump supporters.
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