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MadManMUC
Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Oh, and nice musical call-back to the TMP/TNG theme at the end.
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MadManMUC
Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:29pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Ok. Just saw the teaser trailer for Picard. Not sure what to think yet. Though the vineyard footage was beautifully shot.

On another note, I wonder why they’re using the TOS rendering of the Star Trek wordmark in this logo, but not for Discovery.

Also, @Jammer: maybe time to create a new section of comments for the Picard show?
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MadManMUC
Wed, May 1, 2019, 1:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Tomalak

LOL ... yup, pretty much!
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MadManMUC
Wed, May 1, 2019, 4:56am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

So, I finally got around to watching this (was moving house this week).

I've commented before that I wish MacFarlane and Bragga would let the Ed/Kelly relationship angle die and just move on. But, frankly, this was entertaining, and a good use of an otherwise clumsy piece of baggage.

Like others pointed out before, it really was a mash-up of all sorts of Trek time travel/alternate universe episodes, with The Empire Strikes Back thrown in for good measure.

Plot not hard on the brain, execution very well-done, and a pleasure on a visual level.

Most of the cast was doing well, though I still am not sold on LaMarr, he's the weakest link in the chain.

And Alara came back ... yay!

I'll agree with you, Jammer, that the score tended to be a touch obnoxious and distracting, but then it also made me grin like an idiot a bit because of all the riffing on James Horner's scores, especially for STIII:TSFS as the Orville was lifting off from the bottom of the ocean (it was *very* reminiscent of the Enterprise theft scene with Excelsior in pursuit).

All in all, I thought this was solid, fun, entertaining stuff. I do hope it gets renewed for a third season, I think MacFarlane and Braga finally hit their stride with S02.
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MadManMUC
Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 1:33pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Mm, for a new review project, I'd really, really, really recommend the Expanse.
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MadManMUC
Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:40am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ James Smith

'[...] people keep saying that the first two seasons of TNG were awful, as if every episode in those two seasons was. I genuinely don't think that's the case.'

Agreed.

And as for Voyager S01 and 02 (referenced above), it didn't suffer from being bad, like TNG S01 did; it suffered from being bland, but largely OK, imho.
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MadManMUC
Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 4:35pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Yanks

'Especially since in 'Calypso' we see a crewless Discovery "awaiting orders" 1000 years in the future.'

Yup. And — if I recall correctly (I don't have Alan Roi's apparently flawless, god-like, photography memory) — the ship's computer states it was abandonned. For what reason(s), I suppose we'll eventually find out. So maybe the crew find their way home, but the ship doesn't.

Who knows. It probably won't make any sense when we find out.
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MadManMUC
Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 4:24pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Hank

'I could go on and on about how paying attention does NOT lead to higher enjoyment of Discovery in the slightest.'

In fact, in some cases, the opposite is true. Trying to shut your brain off and paying less attention to the flaws sometimes leads to marginally more enjoyment of Discovery ...

... until your brain switches back on, thinks about what it just saw, and effectively dry-heaves in its mouth (if it had a mouth).
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MadManMUC
Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 3:54pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ wolfstar

'The finale also creates the problem that Starfleet had a way to instantly bring Voyager home all along (or at least after contact was established with Voyager in Message In A Bottle) but chose not to because it was classified tech.'

Bingo.

Ironically: Season 3 will probably be a Voyager-like affair, with the crew of the USS Discovery looking for a way to get home to their own time. My opinion.
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MadManMUC
Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 12:35pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Jammer

'Without summarizing my thoughts on the creative value of either show overall (I find strengths and weaknesses for both), I'll just say that creative and commercial success are often two different things. Drawing a correlation between the two is tenuous at best. Lots of people like garbage, while many gems go unappreciated.

Also, comparing the streaming business to the traditional broadcast one is a clear case of apples and oranges. '

You, sir, are correct, which is precisely why I've avoided any comparison between the two shows. They're two very different animals, running on two diametrically opposite business models.
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MadManMUC
Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 5:55am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Just what the fuck is going on here, people?
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MadManMUC
Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 3:53am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Oh, and one final wish for my list:

• Enough with the 'fate of the galaxy/universe/dimension' high-stakes shit. Some of Trek's best stories have very localised stakes and conflicts, limited to a person, a ship, or a limited group of people. Having to always save the universe from some sort of existential threat gets *really* tiresome, really quickly.
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MadManMUC
Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 3:44am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Dom

Excellent article and, you're right, it does summarise most of my gripes regarding Discovery; although I absolutely disagree with the author's opinion that S01 was in any good good or clever in comparison with S02. It was neither. I found that — on balance — S02 had more semi-decent individual episodes than S01 did, and had (originally, until it was essentially abandoned) a more compelling premise than another damned war story.

But the point of the article remains: Kurtzman & Co firmly — and wrongly — believe that fans will accept Discovery as Trek if they throw more fan service at it, be it from sound FX from TOS films/TNG/DS9/VOY; showing us a list of Starfleet's most decorated captains; throwing Pike, Spock, and a re-designed Enterprise at us ... the list goes on and on.

That's not the point *at all* of what makes Trek feel like Trek. I truly get the impression most life-long Trekfans don't want the fan service. In fact, I remember seeing 'The Naked Now' (TNG S01E03) when I was 14 on its first run in 1987, and thinking, 'Oh, come on. Don't try to tie this in to TOS like that.' At 14, one's critical appreciation of fiction isn't at its most refined, but — even back then — I wanted TNG to stand on its own two feet and show me why I should care, on its own merits (it did, of course).

And this is what I want Discovery to do, among other things. Someone above me mentioned a bullet point wish list I articulated in the comments of 'Through the Valley of Shadows', and it bears repeating as we now wait for S03 to turn up:

[BEGIN COPY AND PASTE REPOST]

• Simplification. Stop trying to pack in A-, B-, C-, D-, E-, and F- plots into a 46-minute show. It should come as no surprise to the producers and writers that the strongest S02 episodes also followed a simple A/B-plot structure. And the more you simplify, to better you can keep internal continuity on an even keel, and the better-focused/thought-out and compelling the stories are. (I'm looking at you, Seven Signals clusterfuck);

• Trim the casting fat. Do we need Linus the Sneezing Saurian? No. Do we need Agent Mouthbreather from Qo'noS/Section 31? No. Do we need two or three baddies with their own agendas working at cross-purposes? No. What we have is a perfectly fine bridge crew/senior staff we're dying to get to know (Detmer & Co). Trekkies love bridge crews and senior staff. It's true. Please stop red-shirting them in favour of packing in two or three semi-random chumps ever week. Give them the prominence, and let us really get to know them now. Not like poor Airiam;

• Sloooooooooow down. I've nothing against a bit of action-adventure in my Trek, but really: sloooooow the fuck down. And that means: pacing, cinematography, editing. And mix it up. Again, the strongest S02 episodes were a balanced mix of world-building (such as it is), character work, plot forwarding, issues/ethics, and action;

• No more fan service. Please. I'm begging you. No. More. Fan. Service. Try to make this show stand on its own now, and not on the back of superficial fan nostalgia things.

[END COPY AND PASTE REPOST]

And to this I would also add:

• If you insist on so-called 'prestige TV' serialisation, then hire writers and producers with not only good demonstrable experience in this realm, but who also understand what makes great Trek great. Make them watch TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and (wince) ENT. Make them understand what fans loved about all of these series and their best episodes, and incorporate those *principles* into Discovery, without either ripping off plots or picking the lowest-hanging fruit that is fan service.

For better or for worse, this eye-wateringly bad season-finale creative decision has given the producers and writers of this show a new blank slate. I really do hope they finally take full advantage of this, because I'm really looking forward to watching weekly Trek I can finally like and care about, and not roll my eyes at week to week.

I feel like I'm asking too much, though.
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MadManMUC
Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 5:23am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi

'Hint: Not liking what the DSC writers are doing with the Burnham character does not automatically make a person misogynist (or racist).'

Correct.

I don't care about which gender or ethnicity the lead character is, or how many women v men or straight people v gay people or white v black people there are on the cast. This is a complete non-issue for me.

What I do care about, however, is how credible or likable or believable or well-developed a character is. And MB is neither credible, nor believable, nor particularly likable.
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MadManMUC
Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 4:42am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

I know you're a troll, Alan Roi, and I really should feed you, but I just want to state now, for the record: Your opinions don't interest me in the slightest. So, don't bother.

You're patronising. You personally attack other users. You derail discussions.

This is the final time I'm engaging you.
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MadManMUC
Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 4:11am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

All flash, no substance. None. Zero. Utterly devoid.

Space battles. Hyper-fast panning shots. Melodrama. More space battles. More hyper-fast panning shots. More melodrama.

I wish I could even say that I'm disappointed or surprised, but I'm actually neither of those things. This show set the bar so low, I would have actually been shocked if they'd delivered something other than what they did with this.

It was utter, utter nonsense.

It does kind of feel like we actually saw the series finale, though, like Eric said.

And, if that's the case, it's for the best. They really made a dog's dinner of this series. S01 was just fucking miserable, and S02 was too inconsistent. Oh, sure, there were some semi-watchable episodes, and they even came a bit close to making this show feel like actual Trek once or twice, and Anson Mount was just stellar in the role. But, these things can only be really appreciated in isolation from the premise of both show and season.

It's weird. With other Trek series (ENT notwithstanding, I still hate that thing), I generally view them as being basically good series with a few shit episodes. Discovery, for me is the reverse: a turd of a series that — once or twice — sort of has something decent happening in S02.

What galls me the most is that the very basic premise of the season — seven mysterious red signals scattered all over the galaxy — was an utterly wasted opportunity. Instead of making the signals manifestations of Saint Michael Fucking Burnham, they could have made them about anything else: a new alien race with a first contact opportunity, a new stellar phenomenon, something. Anything other than trying to show us how — once again — great and awesome the mutinous war-starter is. There was a bucket-load of Star Trek and literal discovery waiting to be leveraged in the basic premise, but no: instead we got ... this.

Yeah, well, it is what it is. Not good Trek, not even good science fiction, awful plotting and dialogue, and characters I couldn't give even the most microscopic shit about.

At least I have The Expanse S04 to look forward to this year (well, hopefully this year).
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MadManMUC
Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:03am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@ Booming

MB's vision was absolutely clear to me, too.
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MadManMUC
Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 1:51pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@ Paul M

'I still think DIS is superior to Abrams Trek, which I found almost unwatchable. '

No question; but — if we're really honest with ourselves — JJ-Trek set the bar incredibly low, and it's not like Discovery did a high jump over it.
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MadManMUC
Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 1:50pm (UTC -6)
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@ Trent

'Instead it married three conflicting approaches: the mainstream action of JJ Trek, the mind-bending, SF plots of Brannon Braga, and the wannabe long-form grunge of stuff like Game of Thrones. The show got greedy. '

I don't know if the show got greedy, as such. I think it was more a case of just plain old CBS wanting to 1) stay relevant with what is called 'modern TV' (GoT/SoA/BB/BSG/etc-style), 2) choosing Trek as the platform with which to attempt to milk that particular cash cow.

Which is fine. I don't *fundamentally* object to largely serialised Trek. What's really ailing this show, in the end, is simple writing and plotting ineptitude. Placing emphasis on sieve-like plots before giving us reasons to invest in characters. Making the characters themselves either unrelated, unbelievable, unlikable, or simply ill thought-out. Adding too many characters. Adding too many plots.

I remember saying in the comments in one of the S01 episodes that if they really wanted to go down this serialised road, they would have been very, very intelligent to bring on Ira Steven Behr and Ronald D Moore, instead of the clown car of writers and proiducers they had then and now. They both have the Trek credentials, and can actually plot serial stories effectively.

I'll bet anything that if those two had had a hand in this show, it would have been a really compelling watch, even with the dodgy premise is started out with.

Oh, and Alan? Piss off. You're tedious and patronising.
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MadManMUC
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 8:51am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@philadlj

'"I get to make a supernova. This day ROCKS!" GRRRRROOOOAAAAANNNN'

Ugh. yeah, that made me wince, too. Terrible.
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MadManMUC
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:51am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@ Booming,

Interesting you bring up the Sarek and Amanda scene. This one scene pretty much exemplifies on of the show's problems, and that is: the galaxy feels entirely too small in this show. I just can't think all of this adds up, warping from Vulcan to Discovery's exact coordinates (katra course-plotting, apparently) in the short amount of time apparently prescribed in this crisis.

It's really frustrating to repeatedly watch common sense get thrown down the toilet in service of advancing a plot that's full of holes anyway.
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MadManMUC
Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 4:25am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

Pfffffff, melodrama overload. Waaaaaaaay too much.

After seeing this, I have another wish for S03, continuing the list I started in the comment from the last episode:

• Kurtzman, I beg you: no more artificially high stakes. No more having to save the entire galaxy/universe/timeline/whatever. Please. Please, please, please. Just keep the stakes localised and relevant to only the Discovery and her crew, or just a corner of the galaxy. This is getting to be entirely too much.
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MadManMUC
Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 3:25am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

'[...] will probably turn him into a more morose, melancholic character'

Rather like Jeffrey Hunter's characterisation of Pike in 'The Cage', in fact.

The way his character was written, he was already morose, tired, and thinking of resigning his commission because he was tired of all the responsibility. And this is years before Discovery.

Presumably, his experiences on Talos IV somehow motivated him to stay on, and become the Pile shown now, but morose and melancholic are pretty accurate keywords for his personality in 'The Cage'.
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MadManMUC
Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 3:11am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Through the Valley of Shadows

@Artymiss (and anyone else who's interested)

Found it. Not sure if it's a digital comp or not, but I think I can get behind Peck on this.

https://i.imgur.com/gnZivJa.jpg
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MadManMUC
Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 3:03pm (UTC -6)
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Got a link, Artymiss?
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