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Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 3:22pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

@Henson. My friend, if you have to ask, after that show, then I really don’t think I can explain it. But, I’m good faith, let me say some things.

- Ensign Tilly being promoted to 1st officer is a slap in the face of the professionalism and meritocracy that defined Star Trek. Have a look at the TNG episode where Data has to have a talk with Worf about insubordination, . The difference is striking. One is an adult show with skilled professionals doing their best to solve problems. The other is just... sad.

- the “interrogation ceremony” held by the Vulcans/Romulans to establish “truth and facts” totally repudiated everything we know about Vulcan culture. Instead of a scientific discussion where the facts are paramount, the ceremony, right from the first sentence, is nothing about science but everything about power. It shouts to us, the audience, that “you have your facts and we have ours. Who has the power has the truth. The motive of why someone says something is more important than the facts of what they say”. This is so against what Spock and Vulcan stood for that I cannot stomach any more of it.

I am out.
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Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 1:42pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S3: Unification III

I feel so alone and baffled. That was the worst episode of Star Trek I have ever seen. It totally repudiates everything that the original series, VOY, TNG, ENT were about.

And then I read most of the comments here and people are saying “Yeah, a pretty good episode”.

What on earth is going on. Am I totally crazy??!!!
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Admiral Nechayev
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 5:51am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S6: Descent, Part I

It's impressive how after the years passing people started to develop a natural dislike for this episode when in the early years they used to like it.

The story is good on paper but terribly executed they ruined the Borg, Lore and basically showed us Picard being a complete idiot by giving command to a doctor and leaving the ship with a skeleton crew just to search for a mentality unstable android.

One the biggest problems with the episode that there is no dark atmospher in it just like how The Best of Both World was or Redemption everything was bright and happy.
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Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 2:47pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

And that's that.

Overall, STP was more watchable than STD, but really ... that's no expression of excellence. There were some good moments in this show, and some exceptionally bad ones ('Stardust Cuty Rag'). This episode was a complete mixed bag of good and utter shit, really weird.

A few stray thoughts of my own:

• I could take Elnor much more seriously this episode, if for no other reason than the actor really conveying grief well, when he lost it with Raffi;

• Seven and Raffi are a thing, now? When did that happen? Did I miss some hints? This feels as awkward and forced as Seven and Chakotay, or Worf and Troi, or Bashir and Ezri. Sometimes I think ST needs to leave romance alone, it doesn't do it well at all;

• Rios and Jurati are still a thing? Urgh. See comment above about Star Trek and believable romance;

• If the final scene is to be taken at face value, I guess Seven is now part of the crew, which is cool. I like this;

• My god, but there are loose ends in this episodes, and characterisation holes so big, you could fly Excelsior-class starships through them. Really, really sloppy.

• Data's final passing was actually pure class. This was top-drawer, it did the character a great deal more respect than in Nemesis;

• I'm grateful to the showrunners for not making Soong turn out to be Lore.

Like I said, STP was more or less watchable, but still not great, by any means. Will I come back for S02? Yeah.
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Admiral Clancy's Mom
Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 1:24pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

We went through six replicators during her tween years churning out Lifebuoy. Surprised she isn't blind.
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Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 9:31am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box


'[...] it's perhaps not the most reassuring sign that I kept dreading all the goodwill was going to suddenly evaporate in a final scene featuring some dopey twist ending [...]'

God damn, Jammer, you're not wrong! I kept expecting the same. It was so refreshing to see a very straight A to B episode for a change.
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Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 3:25am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

A mixed bag of an episode for me. Which, is already an improvement, considering I didn't particularly like any of them previous to this, except for the pilot.

I won't get into too many details, just because many of you above have already articulated the same observations I would have.

However, I do want to say that the Picard/Hugh reunion was actually outright wonderful. In all of my comments on STD and STP episodes, I don't think I've ever used that word, or a word even approaching it. And anyone who's ever read any of my comments (particularly about STD) will know I have ... very strong opinions about modern Trek.

But, I can't think of any other word for those scenes. Just wonderful. Not just because Stewart and Del Arco have a good chemistry between them; the writing around them was good, and the direction was considered and deftly executed.

So much so that — for the first time since episodic Trek came back after ENT — I actually felt like I was watching the Trek I grew up with. The way the dialogue was crafted, the way the two characters interacted and played off each other, it all felt like I was watching a natural extension of 'I, Borg' and 'Descent'.

And the walkthrough of the cube together, discussing what Hugh's project is about, and the compassion shown to the ex-drones that the audience can see. Just superb; tastefully handled, and thoughtful.

More — much, much more — of this, please. I'm begging you. This, to me, was finally proper, classic, beautiful Trek. Just too fleeting in its duration, this time around.

On an other, completely different note ...


'Actually, wait. If the Borg has access to this tech, and now can essentially warp infinitely and instantaneously in any direction, why have they not steamrolled the entire galaxy already?'

This comment reminds me that I've got a shitload of question marks around the presence of the Borg in this series, and what the plan is for them.

My understanding of the Borg status quo was that Janeway & Co basically took the entire race down, when she blew up the transwarp hub and the Queen with it. It seems to me that the implication was: if she blows this thing up with the Queen, the Borg are done.

So, on the one hand, it makes perfect sense to me that we've got disconnected Borg cubes floating around here and there, and that their crews are being rehabilitated and de-Borged. So far so good.

But then I remember that — actually — STP hasn't actually made clear what the status of the Borg Collective is. Is there a new Queen? Were there multiple Queens as safety redundancies, for precisely the sort of unfortunate circumastances that Janeway visited upon the Collective in 'Endgame'? Did she really take the Collective down, and the galaxy is littered with cubes like this artefact, its crews basically waiting to be de-Borged? If there is a new or multiple Queens, are the Borg re-grouping and getting ready to resume doing Borg things?

Narratively, I don't know that any of that will even be relevant to the show. What depresses me, is that maybe — if STD is any indicator of lack of writers' foresight and competence — Kurtzman and his cronies haven't got the foggiest clue, either.

And just a reminder, for those questioning Elnor's predilection for sticking pointy things into people ... err, he *does* come from a group of warrior nuns, after all. With their raison d'être being precisely to stick pointy things into other people. That's why Picard hired one of them. It's not like they're trained diplomats ... ;)
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Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 12:16pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag


Five episodes in, and I'm left feeling utterly deflated by this series, and Star Trek as a whole.

I desperately want to love this show. Picard! 7 of 9! TNG cameos! But, I can't. Between the still grim-dark tone that wishes it was nBSG, the incest siblings, the gratuitous violence and torture porn, the tearing up of everything I thought made Trek fun and worth watching ... I can't love it. Or even like it.

I was easily able to rail against STD on a weekly basis. I can't with this thing, I just don't have the energy anymore.

Kurtzman broke me. Trek is dead and long gone.

And for those are arguing that there's no definition of Trek, and that Trek was never this, that, or the other thing, it seems CBS/Paramount believe there *was* a definition of what Trek was:

For a time, Noah Hawley was attached to the new vapourware Trek film, and now he's not. The rumour (so far unsubstantiated, I must add) is that his script for the film was rejected by TPTB at Paramount for being 'too Trekky'.

Like I said, it's just a rumour (originally broken by 4chan, of all the seedy websites) but it really wouldn't surprise me if it were true, considering the angle Hawley wanted to come in from on the film. Anyway, here's a link to an article about it:
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Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:32pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Oh, and nice musical call-back to the TMP/TNG theme at the end.
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Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:29pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Ok. Just saw the teaser trailer for Picard. Not sure what to think yet. Though the vineyard footage was beautifully shot.

On another note, I wonder why they’re using the TOS rendering of the Star Trek wordmark in this logo, but not for Discovery.

Also, @Jammer: maybe time to create a new section of comments for the Picard show?
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Wed, May 1, 2019, 1:41pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Tomalak

LOL ... yup, pretty much!
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Wed, May 1, 2019, 4:56am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

So, I finally got around to watching this (was moving house this week).

I've commented before that I wish MacFarlane and Bragga would let the Ed/Kelly relationship angle die and just move on. But, frankly, this was entertaining, and a good use of an otherwise clumsy piece of baggage.

Like others pointed out before, it really was a mash-up of all sorts of Trek time travel/alternate universe episodes, with The Empire Strikes Back thrown in for good measure.

Plot not hard on the brain, execution very well-done, and a pleasure on a visual level.

Most of the cast was doing well, though I still am not sold on LaMarr, he's the weakest link in the chain.

And Alara came back ... yay!

I'll agree with you, Jammer, that the score tended to be a touch obnoxious and distracting, but then it also made me grin like an idiot a bit because of all the riffing on James Horner's scores, especially for STIII:TSFS as the Orville was lifting off from the bottom of the ocean (it was *very* reminiscent of the Enterprise theft scene with Excelsior in pursuit).

All in all, I thought this was solid, fun, entertaining stuff. I do hope it gets renewed for a third season, I think MacFarlane and Braga finally hit their stride with S02.
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 1:33pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Mm, for a new review project, I'd really, really, really recommend the Expanse.
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:40am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ James Smith

'[...] people keep saying that the first two seasons of TNG were awful, as if every episode in those two seasons was. I genuinely don't think that's the case.'


And as for Voyager S01 and 02 (referenced above), it didn't suffer from being bad, like TNG S01 did; it suffered from being bland, but largely OK, imho.
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 4:35pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Yanks

'Especially since in 'Calypso' we see a crewless Discovery "awaiting orders" 1000 years in the future.'

Yup. And — if I recall correctly (I don't have Alan Roi's apparently flawless, god-like, photography memory) — the ship's computer states it was abandonned. For what reason(s), I suppose we'll eventually find out. So maybe the crew find their way home, but the ship doesn't.

Who knows. It probably won't make any sense when we find out.
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 4:24pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Hank

'I could go on and on about how paying attention does NOT lead to higher enjoyment of Discovery in the slightest.'

In fact, in some cases, the opposite is true. Trying to shut your brain off and paying less attention to the flaws sometimes leads to marginally more enjoyment of Discovery ...

... until your brain switches back on, thinks about what it just saw, and effectively dry-heaves in its mouth (if it had a mouth).
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 3:54pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ wolfstar

'The finale also creates the problem that Starfleet had a way to instantly bring Voyager home all along (or at least after contact was established with Voyager in Message In A Bottle) but chose not to because it was classified tech.'


Ironically: Season 3 will probably be a Voyager-like affair, with the crew of the USS Discovery looking for a way to get home to their own time. My opinion.
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Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 12:35pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Jammer

'Without summarizing my thoughts on the creative value of either show overall (I find strengths and weaknesses for both), I'll just say that creative and commercial success are often two different things. Drawing a correlation between the two is tenuous at best. Lots of people like garbage, while many gems go unappreciated.

Also, comparing the streaming business to the traditional broadcast one is a clear case of apples and oranges. '

You, sir, are correct, which is precisely why I've avoided any comparison between the two shows. They're two very different animals, running on two diametrically opposite business models.
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Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 5:55am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Just what the fuck is going on here, people?
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Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 3:53am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

Oh, and one final wish for my list:

• Enough with the 'fate of the galaxy/universe/dimension' high-stakes shit. Some of Trek's best stories have very localised stakes and conflicts, limited to a person, a ship, or a limited group of people. Having to always save the universe from some sort of existential threat gets *really* tiresome, really quickly.
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Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 3:44am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

@ Dom

Excellent article and, you're right, it does summarise most of my gripes regarding Discovery; although I absolutely disagree with the author's opinion that S01 was in any good good or clever in comparison with S02. It was neither. I found that — on balance — S02 had more semi-decent individual episodes than S01 did, and had (originally, until it was essentially abandoned) a more compelling premise than another damned war story.

But the point of the article remains: Kurtzman & Co firmly — and wrongly — believe that fans will accept Discovery as Trek if they throw more fan service at it, be it from sound FX from TOS films/TNG/DS9/VOY; showing us a list of Starfleet's most decorated captains; throwing Pike, Spock, and a re-designed Enterprise at us ... the list goes on and on.

That's not the point *at all* of what makes Trek feel like Trek. I truly get the impression most life-long Trekfans don't want the fan service. In fact, I remember seeing 'The Naked Now' (TNG S01E03) when I was 14 on its first run in 1987, and thinking, 'Oh, come on. Don't try to tie this in to TOS like that.' At 14, one's critical appreciation of fiction isn't at its most refined, but — even back then — I wanted TNG to stand on its own two feet and show me why I should care, on its own merits (it did, of course).

And this is what I want Discovery to do, among other things. Someone above me mentioned a bullet point wish list I articulated in the comments of 'Through the Valley of Shadows', and it bears repeating as we now wait for S03 to turn up:


• Simplification. Stop trying to pack in A-, B-, C-, D-, E-, and F- plots into a 46-minute show. It should come as no surprise to the producers and writers that the strongest S02 episodes also followed a simple A/B-plot structure. And the more you simplify, to better you can keep internal continuity on an even keel, and the better-focused/thought-out and compelling the stories are. (I'm looking at you, Seven Signals clusterfuck);

• Trim the casting fat. Do we need Linus the Sneezing Saurian? No. Do we need Agent Mouthbreather from Qo'noS/Section 31? No. Do we need two or three baddies with their own agendas working at cross-purposes? No. What we have is a perfectly fine bridge crew/senior staff we're dying to get to know (Detmer & Co). Trekkies love bridge crews and senior staff. It's true. Please stop red-shirting them in favour of packing in two or three semi-random chumps ever week. Give them the prominence, and let us really get to know them now. Not like poor Airiam;

• Sloooooooooow down. I've nothing against a bit of action-adventure in my Trek, but really: sloooooow the fuck down. And that means: pacing, cinematography, editing. And mix it up. Again, the strongest S02 episodes were a balanced mix of world-building (such as it is), character work, plot forwarding, issues/ethics, and action;

• No more fan service. Please. I'm begging you. No. More. Fan. Service. Try to make this show stand on its own now, and not on the back of superficial fan nostalgia things.


And to this I would also add:

• If you insist on so-called 'prestige TV' serialisation, then hire writers and producers with not only good demonstrable experience in this realm, but who also understand what makes great Trek great. Make them watch TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and (wince) ENT. Make them understand what fans loved about all of these series and their best episodes, and incorporate those *principles* into Discovery, without either ripping off plots or picking the lowest-hanging fruit that is fan service.

For better or for worse, this eye-wateringly bad season-finale creative decision has given the producers and writers of this show a new blank slate. I really do hope they finally take full advantage of this, because I'm really looking forward to watching weekly Trek I can finally like and care about, and not roll my eyes at week to week.

I feel like I'm asking too much, though.
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Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 5:23am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2


'Hint: Not liking what the DSC writers are doing with the Burnham character does not automatically make a person misogynist (or racist).'


I don't care about which gender or ethnicity the lead character is, or how many women v men or straight people v gay people or white v black people there are on the cast. This is a complete non-issue for me.

What I do care about, however, is how credible or likable or believable or well-developed a character is. And MB is neither credible, nor believable, nor particularly likable.
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Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 4:42am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

I know you're a troll, Alan Roi, and I really should feed you, but I just want to state now, for the record: Your opinions don't interest me in the slightest. So, don't bother.

You're patronising. You personally attack other users. You derail discussions.

This is the final time I'm engaging you.
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Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 4:11am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

All flash, no substance. None. Zero. Utterly devoid.

Space battles. Hyper-fast panning shots. Melodrama. More space battles. More hyper-fast panning shots. More melodrama.

I wish I could even say that I'm disappointed or surprised, but I'm actually neither of those things. This show set the bar so low, I would have actually been shocked if they'd delivered something other than what they did with this.

It was utter, utter nonsense.

It does kind of feel like we actually saw the series finale, though, like Eric said.

And, if that's the case, it's for the best. They really made a dog's dinner of this series. S01 was just fucking miserable, and S02 was too inconsistent. Oh, sure, there were some semi-watchable episodes, and they even came a bit close to making this show feel like actual Trek once or twice, and Anson Mount was just stellar in the role. But, these things can only be really appreciated in isolation from the premise of both show and season.

It's weird. With other Trek series (ENT notwithstanding, I still hate that thing), I generally view them as being basically good series with a few shit episodes. Discovery, for me is the reverse: a turd of a series that — once or twice — sort of has something decent happening in S02.

What galls me the most is that the very basic premise of the season — seven mysterious red signals scattered all over the galaxy — was an utterly wasted opportunity. Instead of making the signals manifestations of Saint Michael Fucking Burnham, they could have made them about anything else: a new alien race with a first contact opportunity, a new stellar phenomenon, something. Anything other than trying to show us how — once again — great and awesome the mutinous war-starter is. There was a bucket-load of Star Trek and literal discovery waiting to be leveraged in the basic premise, but no: instead we got ... this.

Yeah, well, it is what it is. Not good Trek, not even good science fiction, awful plotting and dialogue, and characters I couldn't give even the most microscopic shit about.

At least I have The Expanse S04 to look forward to this year (well, hopefully this year).
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Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:03am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1

@ Booming

MB's vision was absolutely clear to me, too.
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