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SlackerInc
Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 3:54am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

Thanks, @Dave! I searched for the episode and added it to the podcatcher on my phone.
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Jack
Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 4:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

@William B

“I think the main issue with the episode is not in-story but from a writer's perspective, where Maurice Hurley -- whom apparently Gates McFadden quit the show because she felt threatened by”

I wanted to address this, because it’s the type of slander I’ve been talking about that I see in these discussions. For the record, Hurley had already left the show by season two and Jeri Taylor (yes, a woman) rewrote this episode before it aired. Additionally, McFadden didn’t leave the show, Hurley didn’t like her acting so he *fired* her. It wasn’t until after Hurley left that Berman hired her back.
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Jack
Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 8:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

@Dave

Geordi and Wesley are friends and moreover fellow engineering nerds. Friends share information with each other they don’t share with others. Friends don’t need to be the same age. And if you watched “Sarek”, much of dealt with *hidden feelings* bubbling to the surface.
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Jack
Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 7:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Dave, you’re reaching now. Wesley never mentioned Leah and just insinuated LaForge needs the holodeck to meet women.

Even assuming Wesley meant Leah, though, Geordi and Wesley are friends and he probably shared what happened in “Booby Trap” to Wes in confidence.

@Jason R

“Why are you and others so invested in spinning Geordie's behaviour (even to the point of falsely stating what happened on screen) to make it horrible and creepy?”

Probably typical white-knighting. I’m sure if we gender-swapped Geordi/Leah and had a woman create a man to help her with engineering problems in a holodeck, no one would say boo.
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Jack
Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 11:49am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

“After the apology, they should've shown her walk into the transporter room alone and tell Chief O'Brien "I'm ready to go". Before the transporter initializes, Leah gives a little shudder as she exhales deeply and says "energize".”

See, I think that would be a very dystopian way to end a show that tries to be optimistic. I appreciate that you feel like there’s a grave injustice in this episode and Leah should feel violated as a co-worker. Indeed, there’s an interesting discussion above how if this were our time, Geordi would be facing sexual harassment charges, a possible lawsuit, and suspension of duty. Though your mileage may very whether that’s actually a “good result” based on interactions in this episode.

I think the problem with portraying Leah too much in the right is that we’re missing out on some of the innocent context from “Booby Trap” that led to this awkward situation. LaForge is what, guilty of building up his expectations too high and making Leah uncomfortable with his advances? Should men worry about pursuing their colleagues lest they face the wrath of the Federation HR system?

Flirting and courtship are *always* awkward and part of the fun of courtship is things *could* go disastrously wrong. But there’s a chance things will go right and maybe it’s worth HR consequences or what have you at the chance something good and real could materialize from the courtship.
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Jack
Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 9:53am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

“I don't believe that one of the brightest minds in the Federation (female or male) would apologize for overreacting”

Being the bigger person and apologizing to diffuse a tense situation isn’t a bad thing. I see a lot fights break out on the internet where everyone likes to be right and have the last say, but it takes a certain maturity o step back and say, “I understand your position”. Leah here is probably totally in the right to react the way she did, and yet — she recognizes that the peaceful solution is to make amends. She can be right and still be sympathetic to Geordi’s awkwardness, can’t she?
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Macca
Wed, May 29, 2019, 10:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Force of Nature

Watched this again on Netflix last night. I didn't realise how long Data and LaForge spend in that Jeffries Tube!

Another one for the fans who would happily watch a whole hour of the crew roaming around, pressing buttons and having a drink at Ten Forward.

This reminds me of Twisted from Voyager.
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Macca
Thu, May 16, 2019, 10:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

At least we're not tearing ourselves to shreds over Game of Thrones too.
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SlackerInc
Sat, May 11, 2019, 7:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

Ja'loja!
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SlackerInc
Fri, May 10, 2019, 3:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Threshold

Richard Splett rates this episode as tied for the third best of the season, lol:
https://www.splettnet.net/richard-spletts-guide-to-richard-spletts-top-five-favorite-episodes-of-star-trek-voyager-season-two/
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Jackson
Fri, May 10, 2019, 1:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Broken Link

""They're everywhere" Season 3 finale was disappointingly weak. We're starting Season 5 and have progressed very little. "

I think adding Worf had something to do with it.

They did a lot of "Now that we have Worf, look at these stories we can do" episodes in Season 4, something happens again in Season 7 with Ezri.

We also had several other detours this season as well, with many episodes handed over to culture check-ins with Bajorans, Ferengi, Maquis, Trill, Cardassians, holodecking, and even the Jem Hadar.
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Jackson
Tue, May 7, 2019, 3:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Re: Alameda...

In the 23rd century, San Francisco is still there.

The Golden Gate bridge is still there.

Something is where Alameda is now, and there isn't much reason it wouldn't be called Alameda anymore.

Uhura and Chekov spent four years attending school in San Francisco.

I 'd find it strange if someone attended four years of college in Chicago and never heard of, say, Cicero or Rosemont.
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Jackson
Mon, May 6, 2019, 11:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Second Chances

If Riker was only a lieutenant eight years ago and a full commander six years ago, he must not have been a lieutenant commander very long.

And if he'd accepted his first captain offer, he'd have gone from lieutenant to captain in less than four years.

Meanwhile, Data was a Lt. Commander from the moment we first met him until the moment he perished....fifteen years later.
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Jackson
Mon, May 6, 2019, 2:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Resolutions

"Metaphor Monkey" is a pretty apt depiction of the visitor whose appearances were presumably intended to be random, but instead seemed more scheduled and on cue than those of the Oompa Loompas.

By the end I half expected to see the monkey appear in a "Janeway and Chakotay Do The Wild Thing" title card like the mice from Babe.
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Ensign Babyface
Sun, May 5, 2019, 9:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Mortal Coil

This episode started out promising, with the whacking of Neelix. However, it quickly disappointed, with the resurrection of Neelix. 2 stars, at best.
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SlackerInc
Sun, May 5, 2019, 8:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Hunters

I quite liked this episode, Hirogen and all. And I will join the defense of Tuvok's diplomacy, although the idea suggested by @Gary does make sense.
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Jackson
Sat, May 4, 2019, 12:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

Peter said:

"One does not earn that right through admirable behavior or values, and heaven help us if we begin to protect those we like more than those whose views we disapprove of. "

That goes both ways though.

Saying that Tuvix should triumph simply because he's the only one unwilling to sacrifice himself is equally chilling.

Tha's like a nomination process where Candidate X's supporters say "we'll only vote if our candidate is the nominee", while the supporters of all the other candidates say they'll vote for whoever the nominee is, and responding with "well that means we have to nominate Candidate X".
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Jackson
Sat, May 4, 2019, 9:21am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

If we go with Peter G's contention, Tuvok and Neelix were willing to die for Tuvix, but Tuvix clearly was NOT willing to die for Tuvok and Neelix.

In such a case, Tuvix is clearly at the losing end of the King Solomon test.
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Jackson
Sat, May 4, 2019, 12:47am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

" would say it's at least worth considering that Neelix and Tuvok may consent."

If that's so, then when Janeway separated them, they'd ask to be fused again.
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SlackerInc
Fri, May 3, 2019, 6:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: The Road Not Taken

I agree that this show is very well suited to streaming.

@Artymiss: "I truly hated Kelly's wonderbra cleavage, was that really necessary?! Do your buttons up love."

Agreed. It was really distracting, and looked particularly bad because it highlighted her implants. What she normally wears makes it ambiguous as to whether they are real.

@Trent: Good catch on the parallels!
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Jackson
Fri, May 3, 2019, 4:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

Elliot said:

"And would Janeway have the right to murder Tuvix if Neelix and Tuvok had been combined but also *copied* by the transporter, such that there were now three fully sentient men--even though Tuvok and Neelix did not consent to his creation? No."

I'm even iffy on this scenario.

Tuvok and Neelix still also existing would change nothing as to whether Tuvok and Neelix consented to a Tuvix being created, so this scenario actually undermines the logic used to argue for the restoration of Tuvok and Neelix.

The argument to keep Tuvix in this case is that the situation is no longer zero-sum, and that therefore, ending Tuvix would come much closer to murdering an offspring. So here, I would advocate for Tuvix as well, since ruling in Tuvix's favor isn't existential for Tuvok and Neelix.
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Jackson
Fri, May 3, 2019, 3:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

I think the "bodily autonomy" take totally rules in Tuvok and Neelix's favor too.

If a surrogate mother consents and agrees to carry a child that is entirely the genetic material of other people, but then decides she wants to keep the baby when it's born, should she get to?

Tuvix is comprised of Tuvok and Neelix's genetic material.
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Jackson
Fri, May 3, 2019, 2:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

William B said:

"Another possibility is that they were in stasis to slow the spread of the disease."

But once they were living on the planet after Voyager left, that would mean the pathogen could multiply in their bodies unchecked, and the planet would somehow prevent symptoms, even in the wake of a raging, out of control infection.

I can't see the human body working that way.

The planet's environment seemed to be presented as forestalling everything.
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Jackson
Fri, May 3, 2019, 2:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

William B said:

"I don't think I agree with him here because I think there has to be some provision for the passage of time"

There is such a stigma attached to abortion, as well as a limited and vanishing number of venues for it.

What if a woman wants an abortion in Week 7, but can't get one until Week 18? Is it her fault she was pregnant for 18 weeks? Why should she be denied what she wanted 11 weeks ago because she had to wait 11 weeks for it?
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Jackson
Fri, May 3, 2019, 2:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

There was one weird thing about "Resolutions" that I would have saved for that page, but now it's relevant here.



**spoiler of a 23 year old show, if that's still a thing**




In Resolutions, the disease is such that they can live safely on the planet with it, but would die on Voyager.

And indeed...when Janeway and Chakotay are (seemingly) abandoned for good, they begin to make a life for themselves on the planet.

But...during the 17 days that Doc is working on a cure, Janeway and Chakotay are on the planet...and in stasis.

Why?

Why not just be on the planet, already beginning life there, just in case the Doc fails.

Because, actually, Doc DID fail. They were only saved by a Vidiian deux es machina.

The most logical reason that they were in stasis is because for that initial duration they were patients awaiting treatment.

Same goes for Tuvok and Neelix.
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