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Tomalak
Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 7:08am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Trish, I agree with your post earlier but not your most recent one. What is "rude" is similarly subjective - and certainly not consistent across cultures - but that does not stop reasonable people pointing to rude behaviour or non-rude behaviour even if people wont always agree. If I said it isn't rude to tell some old lady to fuck off if she politely asked for directions, I am sure you would have a sensible explanation for why I was wrong. No sensible person would be convinced if I then said "Oh, Trish, don't you realise rudeness is subjective?". Similarly with Riker
As you say, he wanted a normal romance built on mutual attraction and was put off by any sense of obligation on Yuta's part. Calling this creepy is just very weak, and pointing to subjectivity doesn't change that.
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MidshipmanNorris
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 8:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Silicon Avatar

I think 2.5 stars is slightly too kind. Dr. Marr comes off as a very cardboard cutout version of a grieving family member driven to rage and revenge. This is another case in which TNG overreached its time slot. 40 minutes isn't long enough to do all of this stuff justice.

This story could have been done better, stretched out over a longer timespan, like so many TNG ideas. That's why I feel it deserves 2 stars; it is, at its heart, a very dramatic story.

But so much about it leaves me at the fridge later asking myself too many questions. Picard told Counselor Troi that he was interested in whether or not Dr Marr was emotionally compromised RIGHT near the beginning of the episode. So, when she gets called into his Ready Room ("Walk with me, please," always a precursor to a verbal slagging in Star Trek), I am utterly shocked that she was not simply removed from the investigation. Nobody at Starfleet Command was notified? What the hell??

Riker coming to Picard and saying "She might be right, you know" is a way of bolstering an otherwise flimsy teleplay. For this story to really work, you would need a lot more time to show Dr Marr slowly descending into a blood-eyed rage. You'd also need Data trying to question Counselor Troi about her perceived unhinged behavior, and not communicating it effectively enough for Troi to report it to the Captain.

That brings up another really powerful point; what was this, Counselor Troi's day off? She can sense the emotions of people who are even on planets the Enterprise is in orbit of. She couldn't sense the M U R D E R until Dr Marr locked out the controls on a constant graviton pulse setting?

That brings up another hefty failure of this teleplay; Data was shown to be fast, well-versed and capable enough to lock THE ENTIRE ENTERPRISE CREW out of the computer last season in "Brothers." He can't crack an encryption code on a Bridge Console fast enough to deactivate a Graviton Pulse?

Picard can't just use his Command Authorization to cut all power to main systems? This feels WAY too quick and easy, and part of me suspects that the special effects crew just asked the writing staff "can we please blow up this Crystalline Entity Model? It keeps stabbing us whenever we move it from storage garage to storage garage. We hate it" and the writing staff said "OK sure! Let's get to work on blowing up the Crystalline Entity, people!!"

All in all, I feel it's a two-star episode. More could have been done with this if not for 90s TV standards. Gotta hawk those products in the 20 minutes of commercials, baby!!!
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Jason R.
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Well in the show's defence there is also Vosh, and Ro in at least one episode.
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Top Hat
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 3:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

While it is true that, as it was put a few posts above, early TNG seems to gesture towards a futuristic egalitarian "free-love society," I can't shake the feeling that this is to give cover to masculine sexual power fantasies, and these mainly play out through Riker. There a lot of Roddenberry in there.
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Top Hat
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 2:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

BTW, in "Data's Day" he see Riker telling a woman a joke on the bridge, and Data comments directly on how his command of humour is related to "his success in matters of love," so I think we're supposed to take that as him hitting on junior officer on the bridge.
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Top Hat
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 2:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

It does seem to be a different situation when he's hitting on visitors to the ship, especially women from sheltered backgrounds like Yuta appears (repeat: appears) to be.
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Top Hat
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 1:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Even in the optimal reading, isn't there something questionable in episodes like this one and "Up the Long Ladder" where Riker is transparently moving in on women while on the job? It seems like a different scenario than him wandering around Risa with his horgahn out,.
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Top Hat
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 10:52am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Up the Long Ladder

He's bald like Bezos and has an English accent like Branson.
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Jason R.
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 8:42am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Riker backs out the instant there's even a whiff that Yuna can't consent wholeheartedly. For Riker it is matter of personal integrity rather than any concern with legalities or even morality, but either way, his behaviour is impeccable even by 2021 standards.

As for whether it's "creepy" I really dislike this word because 1) It is ridiculously subjective and 2) At least some women seem to use it as a catch all to describe *any* unwanted advance, even if consent is respected completely and the man backs off immediately upon being rejected (or realizing consent is in question).
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Mal
Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 10:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Up the Long Ladder

@Top Hat said, "You know what I find especially odd about the charaterization of the Bringloidi? They're greedy, or at least money obsessed. Danilo tells Picard, "you must be worth quite a bit to own a fine ship like this" when he's trying to set him up with his daughter."

He probably just figured Picard was some 24th century Jeff Bezos or Richard Branson ;)
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Neo the Beagle
Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Elaan of Troyius

The three male guards would have made good Romulans. And Elaan could be my ex wife.
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Tomalak
Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 3:34am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

It's a long time since I've seen the episode, but I don't think you're right about obnoxious or leering. There seems to be an unargued assumption in some of the comments on this site that any flirtatious behaviour or attraction to the opposite sex is inherently creepy. It seems very out of touch. I'm not getting at you, Tidd - your comments are always worth reading and you're not the only one. But I do disagree.
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Nesendrea
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Force of Nature

Someone already mentioned about how the characters undermine this episode’s message by almost totally ignoring the game-changing discovery made here - after “Force of Nature” we get, what, one more mention of the warp speed limit before everything is back to normal? But I think the deeper irony is that the writers didn’t bother accepting their own premise.

We all know that this story, like all of Trek’s social commentary, is meant to speak directly to the viewers. Interesting then that we are being implicitly asked to shoulder the burden of helping fight climate change - paying more for energy, driving more expensive hybrid or electric cars, etc etc - while the very people sending this message can’t even be inconvenienced to honor the limitations they just introduced on this fictional universe.

We understand why: Star Trek would be hobbled if warp drive were actually destroying space and nobody could travel at fast speeds. The show might even get boring. Heaven forbid, money could be lost!

But it’s still damning optics when the people who penned this story are happy to lecture us about how we must make sacrifices for the cause, while they sit comfortably in the executive’s chair and ignore that cause themselves (after this one episode) because taking it seriously would be too hard for them.

If it matters, I’m no climate denier. I actually take global warming very seriously, though in the spirit of Star Trek, I do prefer humanity employ a technological solution to this problem rather than a regressive one. But I don’t feel the need to sit still for barely concealed Captain Planet-style preaching from people who are total hypocrites on the subject.

Aside from that, terrible episode for all the structural reasons that have been analyzed to death. 2 stars? You’re a generous man, Jammer. 0.5 from me.
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Frake's Nightmare
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 4:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Game

Again with Risa Star Fleet Directive: No one must ever ever go anywhere near Risa ever as bad shit will happen.
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Frake's Nightmare
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 4:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Game

Wesley's Jumper - blue-grey; ribbed epaulettes and collar & cuffs. Nifty for that first date. Looks a bit odd tucked into the high waister pants though.
Again disturbing Dr Crusher ogasmic noises - 'why don't you and your girlfirend come & join me in my Risa sex game?'
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Top Hat
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 4:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Up the Long Ladder

I like the Klingon tea ceremony. They soon drop the concept that Klingon culture would have a space for elegance and simplicity alongside all the "rah! Violence and honour!" stuff.
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Top Hat
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 10:43am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: The Pegasus

And wouldn’t I have been in everyone’s best interest to place the ban in abeyance when the Romulans and Federation were allies against the Dominion? Maybe the technology simply didn’t shake out.
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Jason R.
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 9:48am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: The Pegasus

One thing I always wondered is why the phasing tech had to be married to a cloaking device. Surely an uncloaked phasing device would be ridiculously useful too. So why was it necessary to scrap the whole project? Does the treaty ban phasing too?
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O’Brien
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 9:13am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: The Pegasus

Well this is a bit of an odd episode. Sure the story was interesting, but given how common it seems for Admirals to be corrupt, how can we really believe Starfleet would turn a blind eye to this technology? Sure they may lock Preston up, but make no mistake it would be a charade and the phased-cloaking device used for numerous top secret missions. If you are naive to believe in the purity of Starfleet (despite the unyielding evidence to the contrary) I’m sure there are countless humanitarian benefits to such technology as well.
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jillyenator
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 4:12am (UTC -5)
Re: LD S1: Much Ado About Boimler

Was one of the medical freaks intended to be a Threshold salamander? Looks like someone pulled a Warp 10. ;-)

And was that a Tholian running the medical ship?

I'm loving all the callbacks the show layers into their eps. I too got a clear "Chain of Command, part 1" vibe. And the old man/boy child patient name drops "Rascals".

Did Mariner refer to Jellico by name? I missed that reference.
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Mal01
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 10:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: LD S1: Veritas

One of the best eps of the series and hilarious throughout. Like a poor marksman, Jammer, you keep missing the target.
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Top Hat
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

They should've named Amanda or the Suzie Plakson character "Cindy Q Who."
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 5:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

I figure "Q Who" refers to Q's role on the show. If we retcon it so that Q Less precedes Q Who and Qpid doesn't exist then Q Who is the turning point in the series from Q as villainous antagonist to Q as helpful trickster and even mentor. In Q Who we ask: who is Q? And the answer at the end is different than at the beginning.
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Jason R.
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 5:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Proving Ground

@Peter Andorians like Shran haven't had much contact with humans other than the Enterprise bridge crew and Archer would be the most memorable. So even if in-universe there are buckets of Sri Lankens and Nigerians on the crew, Shran wouldn't be paying much attention to them.

Incidentally, wouldn't most east Asians have somewhat "pink" skin too? Is there a pinkish hue to Chinese / Japanese / Korean skin? I don't know. It is certainly closer to being pink than it is to being black or brown. Don't Asians get pinkish when they are flushed?? If they do then Shran's slur is pretty inclusive of much of humanity.
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Yanks
Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 4:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Proving Ground

Yes, never Booming... and I'm supposed to be the one offended I guess... you know in the day when everyone has the right to be offended!!

Big ships? You sound like big tech... do as I say or get out of the way.
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