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Örs
Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 5:17am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Point of Light

this is not star trek. and not because certain startreky elements are missing - they can be added as hair to the 'Klingons' - but because its very core is something else. this is not a sci-fi anymore, it's a fantasy. a good one, actually - in atmosphere and in spirit as well. I enjoyed it at its own terms, but I wish for a different kind of star trek, which is about politics, society, scientific paradoxes, not about angels and demons.
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Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 7:45am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: New Eden

@ Booming you've got me wrong. I didn't accuse the writers with any anti-white crusade, I've just said that they solved a problem against their original intentions by using Pike, the par exellance white male captain. If they've reflected upon the diversity of the crew, it's unlikely that they didn't notice that Pike comes with a mixed bag.

And i'm perfectly aware what identity politics are. My point is is that identity politics (among many other things) are being used in DIS very narrowmindedly, by creating Mary Sue-ish characters like Burnham, or just talking clichés, and the viewer must accept them only because their representational value. Solely on ideology you cannot base a story.
Why did stories in DS9 function where Sisko emphasised his blackness? Because first they've built a complex character and gave him credibility. After that came the history lesson.

So Discovery is a capitalist show because all of ideas, ideologies, genre properties are treated as commodities. The audience needs science vs. philosophy debate? They will get it no matter how shallow one. Is a gay character progressive enough for us? Let's write one! (Then kill him off). None of the ideas are truly explored here in their depths. That means assuming some risks. And why assume any risks if what we get is profitable enough?
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Örs
Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:25am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: New Eden

@Booming how many foreign languages do you know? at least i tried to make a point with my limited knowledge of english.

@Karl spore drive doesn't make much sense in a pre-TOS period, it just feels like it is retconned there. I'm not against the spore drive in general, but it ends up being the convenient plot device here. Cannot arrive in time to the beta quadrand? Use the spore drive. How to get inside a klingon cave? Use the spore drive. Ultimately the spore drive solves all our problems, not the character developments.

and guys, my comment was about how they are writing this series. Is this writing consistent with the trekkian narrative frames we've got used to?
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Örs
Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 5:12pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: New Eden

Spore drive sucks. It's just a very basic plot metaphor. I like earlier Trek (from before the JJ-verse) because it had a slower pacing. Indeed, they didn't force so many things into 45 minutes. One did not have his time to look around. And the constant camera motion is enervating. It's too close to the actors, why couldn't they give a normal perspective of that damned brigde? Some of the people criticise the ENT for not being in coherence with the usual trek-style. I just have rewatched it, and from the storytelling up to it's visual style it has more to do with Star Trek than this. The ship feels like an overcrowded submarine and that's it, the early stages of starship voyages.
I don't really like the sterile, shiny environment of the Discovery. It's not inventive at all, we've seen it in dozens of melodramatic sci-fi-s like Oblivion etc.
And Star Trek is ultimately, about the human condition. Not about some obscure and pointless space adventures. The Wrath of Khan is about Kirk confronting the multiple consequences of his actions (cheating the no-win scenario, leaving Khan on a planet insead handing him over to Starfleet Security, leaving a woman pregnant and flying away); the DS9 is about how could a benevolent superpower act upon different political issues - and it's room for fail as well, for example the Maquis; the ENT (among other issues) tells a story of a traumatised Earth vulnerable to right-wing propaganda and how could overcome it - even VOY debates questions of historical credibility and accuracy, issues of an Erinnerungspolitik, but Discovery is just brainless fanservice and action. I aknowledge that the writing staff did some improvements, but hey - if the crew is not a real crew but rather some impersonation of an identity-political agenda, we ironically arrive to the point as @Trent is putting it, that the Male White Hero saves the day. So exactly to the opposite of that the writers would have like to accomplish.
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