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Dreubarik
Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 8:53am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Sacrifice of Angels

Actually, the fact that the Dominion fleet engages the Allied fleet a few light years away from DS9 makes sense within the premise of the show: Sisko's main goal is to disable DS9's anti-graviton emitter to prevent the Dominion fleet from deactivating the minefield. It is stated that he wants to reach DS9 with enough ships to do so even if the overall battle doesn't go well. So it would make no sense for the Dominion to wage battle at a location where any potshot from a random enemy vessel could have disabled the emitter.

What DOESN'T quite make sense about this premise is the fact that DS9's deflector is made to be so special because it can be turned into an anti-graviton emitter. Surely, any large vessel's deflector array could do the same, or an appropiate device could be shipped from Cardassia. At no point is there any reason to believe that Terok Nor's deflector technology is somehow special.
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Dreubarik
Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 6:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Rocks and Shoals

One of the best DS9 episodes ever made. Perhaps a scene that doesn't get noticed enough but is key for the story's thematic undertone is when Sisko first meets the Jem'Hadar Third and tries to manipulate him to serve his own ends (a fact Dax them comments on). The core of the episode seems to be about how war is fundamentally about manipulating the troops to do the bidding of the higher echelons without regard for their own lives. This is what "the order of things" inevitably is, and Sisko isn't above it either. In the end, however, Sisko's actions do show that there is indeed more to war than that.
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Marlboro
Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 12:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

"Boycotting" is too strong a word, Jordan. It's been 20 years since the franchise was consistently good, imo. I'm just tired of waiting for things to get better. So, I'm not boycotting so much as I'm just giving up on new Trek.
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Dark Kirk
Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 11:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Good Shepherd

Like other commenters noted, Sheldon Cooper and Harren are practically twins. Was that just coincidence? Zoe McLellan did a good job with Celes. I would have liked to see her grab Harren by the shirt collar and snap at him "Watch your damn mouth with the captain!" It seems like Celes might have been a good fit in security.
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Polaris
Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 2:20am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: The Dauphin

It’s a bit funny watching this from a 21st century viewpoint - today’s teens have complete access to the Internet and only the most sheltered would be asking adults for flirting advice. Wes was never a fan fave and his character has aged more poorly than the rest, I think.
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Dark Kirk
Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 11:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Sacrifice of Angels

I disagree the Prophets intervening was deus ex machina or lazy writing. The Prophets did not want to intervene in "corporeal" matters. Sisko forced them by being willing to sacrifice himself. He demanded they stop the Dominion and they complied to keep them alive, and maybe because they cared about Bajor, but were offended by his aggressiveness and demanded a penance. It showed how Sisko was too important to the Prophets, and we only learn how and why in the series finale. There was a plan all along.
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Paralax
Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 1:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

@Flipsider

I can't condemn anybody. It just happens strange to me to see all this negativity targeted at a franchise that already spans 3 wildly different series.

You can also dislike something, but fervently wishing it fails because ..insert reasons. You can judge how that sounds.


@Joe

Yes, sure there are animated series that can work like that, maybe especially depending on the number of episodes. I have not watched Hilda yet, so thank you for recommending it :)

I also prefer gradually expanding themes than giving everything from the first few out takes because in animation, where there are no actors to somewhat carry a weaker story, it can lead to long stagnant runs.
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Paralax
Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:56am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Apparently I meant David Lean of Lawrence of Arabia and other masterpieces but messed it up.

Damn these typos...
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Paralax
Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:51am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

@Joe

I respect your point. I mean people like different things. Some like animations that are funny and provocative, some like them more sentimental, societal, most western audiences just like Disney fare etc. Saying that there is no audience for something you dislike is a different thing though. And I do feel there is a big audience for the series as it is even if I am not aligned 100% with that, my favorite animated shows being in the vain of "Future boy Conan" (which is an absolute masterpiece).

Also emotional resonance is something difficult to achieve in such a short timespan and format, especially since we have not seen the entire thing so far. I do feel the series will get to that point progressively but it is an achievement to be won over time rather than an instant gratification.

You can't expect the depth, societal critique and subtlety of a David Lynn movie anyways. I mean it would be great if they managed something like that but I do feel that If we go for such a high ground eventually we will probably be disappointed by virtually every Star Trek episode ever out there.

I would rather take what they give and see if they can elevate it further step by step than expect it will all come hit me instantly.

But maybe I am wrong, who knows, only time will tell...
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Paralax
Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 8:55am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

@Joe

It is meant for people who enjoy animation like Rick and Morty, disenchanted and the Simpsons, maybe even the recent Glitch techs. All these animations are funny, employ banter and have violent elements. And they are some of the most famous worldwide as well.

I can give you a list of other shows that people living under huge rock formations are probably unaware of. Also the magic word is "teen".

Btw I wonder if all these Orville fans have any idea who Seth McFarlane is actually. .. I mean Star Trek is the greatest tv ever period, but you can watch other shows as well.
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Hotel bastardos
Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Identity Crisis

A wee Geordie runnin' around in the buff- freakin' out...
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Startrekwatcher
Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 1:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Tomalak, I felt season six was when the shoe first started showing its age

Michael Piller left jeri Taylor in charge who was a weak showrunner(look at TNG season six, seven and voyager tail end of season 1 and start of season
2, then season 3)

Season six decreased the number of outside story ideas and scripts leading to what I would consider a bad thing

The season felt like it loss the urgency and sense of purpose it had in the prior five seasons. Even the actors felt like they had gotten too comfortable and it hurt the show

I thought the number of bad episodes went up dramatically-fluff like Fistiful of Datas, Rightful Heir, Realm of Fear, True Q, Lessons, , the Birthright two parter to name a few

It just felt very different and whenever I do a rewatch I find myself skipping more episodes
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Paralax
Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 12:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I decided to have a look here after using the website a couple of years ago while I was watching Voyager.

Wow. What an angry and sad this part of the fandom is. Bitter enough so that they despise a cartoon series clearly not made for them. And any kind of show as long as it is "star trek".

I don't mind apparently there is a part of the fanbase that supports the series throughout the world so that they can expand while making a profit. Or they are being supported by fans that just feel that need to watch so they can complain more, who knows.

Anyway cheers to the creators. I wish I had their job despite all the bitterness it ensues.

I do find the episode reviews fair to be honest most of the time. But man, this hate is not healthy.
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Startrekwatcher
Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:35am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I haven’t watched nor intend to watch Lower decks it’s probably as shitty as DIS and PIC but I just wanted to step in and defend the first season of TNG. I think it’s vastly underrated.

It has a wonderful sense of the unknown and exploration. It does a good job of introducing and giving the audience a feel for the 24th century There’s a lot of good to great episodes—conspiracy, the neutral zone, Datalore, 1101001, arsenal of freedom, skin of evil, last outpost, naked now, heart of glory, home soil.

I think people are far too hard on it. I think season two is weaker but I do find I enjoy seasons 1-5 the best overall and have the largest concentration of highly rewatchable and entertaining episodes
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Dreubarik
Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 6:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Things Past

Another for the "much stronger than I remembered category." A lot of interesting thoughts about the nature of imperialism are present in this episode, mostly through Garak's dialogue. The core of the story is of course examining Odo's character and his guilt about allowing his love of "order" to go too far, but a second viewing reveals how this is very neatly integrated into an analysis of how the rule of law is fundamentally unfair in context of opression, in which a nation's right to self-determination is being supressed by an invader.

The teaser in the runabout is actually very relevant to the theme: Garak is discussing how he was annoyed that, at a symposium about the Cardassian occupation, his attempts to rationally analyze the occupation were irately shot down by a crown of over-emotional Bajorans--and later reveals his distaste about the Bajorans being fundamentally uncivilized for creating chaos. All in all, a wonderful examination of imperialism and how the high-minded concepts of dispassionate social analysis, including "justice" and the "rule of law," tend to be a luxury of the opressors.
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Marlboro
Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 2:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Trek fans really are insufferable. No wonder the franchise has turned into garbage.
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Marcus
Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 8:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Waltz

I liked Dukat more as a morally complex character and that's how I've come to see him over the previous episodes. I don't think he was justified in his treatment of the Bajorans even if he was less evil than the norm. He could've never taken up that position of power, or he could've done so while secretly cooperating with the resistance. That to me means he certainly wasn't good. On the other hand he chose to do a lot less harm than the previous norm, which an wholly evil character wouldn't do.

Despite that I still think it's a great episode due to the super par writing & directing, and good acting.

I also think moral dilemmas on what power, technological superiority, and possibly higher intelligence over someone else does or doesn't justify, because not only does it apply to humans relative to potential other aliens and humans relative to other humans - but also human animals relative to other animals. So there are some ties to the ideas of antispeciesism (and by extension veganism) as well.
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Polaris
Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Unnatural Selection

I really liked Pulaski and I think it’s a real shame that the cast and audience rallied for Dr Crusher to come back.

Pulaski was more assertive than Crusher (a trait that, in women, makes some folks uncomfortable) and kinda mean to Data, but her response to Data is actually very real and worth exploring. He is the only being of his kind in Starfleet and certainly many people would be ambivalent at best about treating him like a human. You can see her change throughout the season, it’s really too bad we couldn’t get more.

Anyway I agree this episode was silly (eugenics are ok now? And they never exposed these kids to disease before?) but I like it for Muldaur and Stewart.
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Polaris
Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 2:06am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

No thanks. I know some people love when Starfleet leaders are secretly awful, but dark, space horror is not what I want in Star Trek. Glad they didn’t continue this storyline.
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Hotel bastardos
Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 7:31am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: First Contact

Christ almighty- is there nothing that man won't bang? And Frasier's ex wife no less. And there's something well dodgy about the fact she's of a different species... I'd say if it's got a pulse he'll fuck it, but then again he's even shagged a bloody hologram. And it's woefully patronising the way the whole first contact business is handled. Surely having spies mooching about for years is some sort of prime directive violation?
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Tim from Tarsus 4
Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 4:49am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Ultimate Computer

Why couldn't a multitronic type computer be integrated with a starship, with a captain in control? For example, when the composition of the landing party is discussed, Kirk could accept M5's recommendation for Carstairs and add him to the party of Kirk, McCoy, Rawlins and Phillips. The ensign could gain experience in surveying a planet, while providing the party with information about Alpha Carinae II. A (more sophisticated) computer could provide the captain with useful feedback.

There are moments in the series where an automated backup system could be useful. When the entire crew is incapacitated or when some powerful beings are running amok the ship?

There seems to be a false dichitomy here between man and machine.
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P'kard
Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 11:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: The Emissary

"Mr Worf I ORDER you to relax!!!'
After Picard ordered Worf to spend time with someone he is clearly uncomfortable with.
Picard and Riker seem like bullies here, as if they're trying to think of ways to tweak and prod Worf because they're bored. Lame
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Hotel bastardos
Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 5:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Clues

Awfully reminiscent off the boys from the dwarf.....
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Earl
Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 4:16am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Power Play

@Jay I knew it! You always play it off like you don't know Star Trek on RLM....
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Mark
Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 4:15am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

Jammer has a problem with Tuvix because he was too adamant about living, and didn't see the logic in sacrificing himself to save two other people. And then other people in the comment section are offended by the show because Janeway would even consider killing Tuvix to bring Tuvok and Neelix back. The fact that both sides think the morality of the show is a big flaw is actually what proves the show's worth. Because it presented a moral issue so thorny that people can debate it with such strong feelings. I think that was the point. And at the end of the show, Janeway looked devastated. I think she was as torn as the audience.
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