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Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 9:20am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

Wow, this escalated quickly. I think Peter G makes some very good points.

I really enjoyed this episode, and was completely riveted during its entire exposition. I know some people have a problem with Kira and Bajorans - they're far from being my favourite species in Star Trek and I think they weren't portrayed very well - but I highly enjoyed all of the Bajoran characters here, who were actually three dimensional and charismatic for a change, even that bodyguard guy who was punched out by Lupaza and Furel, Lieutenant Brilgar I think his name was. 'Yeah, yeah,' he growls crossly when they apologise to him, and storms out. LOL! I wish we'd seen more of him.

I was intrigued by Silaran Prin, and interested to find that he was actually an aide to the Gul Pirak whom Kira's cell murdered. I've read most of the relaunch novels, and the entire Gul Pirak assassination plot figures prominently in some of the Cardassian-themed books. I'd recommend them to anyone who's interested in reading more about Iliana Ghemor and Kira during the Resistance.

Was I the only one who thought that Silaran Prin resembled Garak slightly? The way he speaks and moves, and his voice and face (the normal half), even.
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Sat, Mar 25, 2017, 12:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Conundrum

I agree with Diana and Andrew. There isn't any sort of implication that Riker is being shamed for what he was doing. Also, wow - way to interpret this innocent B-plot as some sort of big, evil, feminist propaganda. It was intended to be light fluff, something for the audience to enjoy, nothing more. There's a similarly-themed episode on DS9 called Fascination, where the entire crew starts acting out on their latent attractions. Incidentally it was also received very badly here.

The basic premise of this episode was to recontextualise the crew in an unusual situation, and suggest what might happen to the main cast if the reset button was hit, literally. In this case there was some sleeping around, which probably happened a lot anyway, just not on screen. More importantly though was the fact that, for all their memory loss, the crew was able to retain its Starfleet training and Federation principle of not firing upon a technologically inferior and practically defenceless species, and of giving a potentially deadly situation the benefit of their doubt rather than going in, all guns blazing.
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Sat, Mar 25, 2017, 10:17am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

Oh come on, this episode wasn't THAT bad. It was way more watchable than Meridian, which was a bit of a snooze. This one had loads of hilarious moments - ie Jadzia making off with Bareil's engagement bracelet, Bareil decking Sisko then being clocked by Jadzia, actually any scene with Bareil was pure comedy gold. Also the way she hid behind Sisko whist he tried to fend off Bareil's advances for her, and saying 'You tell him, Benjamin!' HAHA!

I thought this was a lot better than The Naked Now. TNN was so campy it was embarrassing. This ep on the other hand is a light comedy, not to be taken too seriously, and there are several genuine laugh-out-loud moments.
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Sat, Mar 25, 2017, 5:23am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: To the Death

'the O'Brien'? Meant to type 'then O'Brien', but 'the O'Brien' works too, I guess.
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Sat, Mar 25, 2017, 4:38am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Hero Worship

I just watched this episode for the very first time, it was always something I skipped because the premise seemed boring. Young boy emulates Data and attaches himself to him sounded trite and cliched.

Instead I was pleasantly surprised. The episode moved forward at a fairly brisk pace, and I thought that it presented a fairly realistic view of the effects of PTSD, which the boy was obviously suffering from. He was a great actor and had a lot of chemistry with Data, and as others have pointed out before me it was cute.

It's been my observation that Jammer and some of the fans don't seem to like ST episodes with kids and I do agree that some kid actors can be really hammy, but I thought this was a decent episode, and the kid did a stellar job in his performance. I liked the ending where he helped Data figure out that it was the shield harmonics causing the distortions in the graviton bubble.

It would have been nice closure to see where the kid ends up - presumably they offloaded him at the nearest Starbase or sent him back to Earth where he was returned to his closest living relatives. But of course this is just another denouement that's quietly forgotten, just like that episode where Riker finds that alien kid who pretends to be his son, is sort of adopted by Riker, then completely consigned to the back burner.
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Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 6:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part I

This, along with the second part, was always an episode I'd skipped whenever watching DS9. I sat down to watch it tonight and was riveted. In some ways this episode seems like DS9's answer to TNG's 'Time's Arrow' - main crew gets stuck in a period of Earth's history and has ensuing adventures before they manage to make it home safely.

And just as Time's Arrow is relatively upbeat and positive, which is fitting for a TNG episode, Past Tense is suitably dark, set in a dystopian backdrop of their past and our future, exploring the actions of desperate people in a bad situation. I was reminded of Sisko's statement in 'The Maquis': 'It's easy to be a saint in paradise ... but the Maquis don't live in paradise.' It's quintessentially DS9 to ask what will happen when push comes to shove, when people have to resort to desperate measures to keep their heads above water.

All in all I thought this was a great episode, chillingly similar to what is happening to the world right now. There don't seem to be a whole lot of jobs around, and the wealth inequality gap is growing wider. Very interesting, and rather depressing social commentary, which is sadly as relevant now, if not more, as it was when this episode was first released.
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Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 5:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: To the Death

Coming about a year too late, but Peter G's 'Why is Worf's extra large prune juice so small?' really cracked me up.

The highlight of the episode for me was where Ometi'klan gives that bombastic doom-laden speech about probably getting killed and victory being life, and the O'Brien following up with, "I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I'm very much alive and I intend to stay that way," much to the approval of the Starfleet officers - whom incidentally wouldn't make it back, for the most part. Shocker.

Peremensoe, I think DS9 was far and away the best ST series in terms of utilising tertiary and recurring characters, and giving them their own character arcs. It would have been a much poorer show without Martok, Gowron (crossing over from TNG but I'll include him anyway), Damar, Garak, Tain and Dukat. Other tertiary characters that deserve honourable mentions are Mila, Rom, Leeta, Zek (yes I find them really funny), Ziyal and Sisko's dad. This is just off the top of my head. I also think that DS9 portrayed the Romulans much better than any other series in the franchise and whenever I think of the quintessential Romulan, I think of Vreenak (obviously!) and Letant. I wish we'd seen more of them.

I'll always have a soft spot for Voyager, and they had lots of great standalone episodes, but man were they bad with character building and the only tertiary character with any sort of growth and plot was Seska, and I didn't like where they had her end up - running away to the Kazon, REALLY? That's an entirely different can of worms though. Can't really remember any other notable tertiary recurring characters - I guess Icheb, and Lieutenant Carey, and the holograms from Fair Haven was the best we got.
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Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 1:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

I went to see a midnight screening of this the day it came out and... blah, was not impressed in the least, but after having been thoroughly let down by 'Into Darkness,' was not particularly surprised.

After the brilliance of 'Star Trek (2009)', I was hoping that the momentum would carry on into the sequels and that the incredibly strong first movie would be a sign of even better things to come, but nope. It's a terrific shame as these films had so much potential. The casting was right on the money, especially for Spock, Scotty and McCoy. The first one was spectacular but after that everything went downhill. 'Into Darkness' was a rehash of 'Wrath of Khan,' and this one, the only good things about this one were the highly entertaining Spock/McCoy dynamic, the nice jacket Chris Pine wore at the reception in the last scene, and the ending theme, which was from TOS anyway. I can never resist it when someone says, 'These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilization, to boldly go where no man has gone before.'
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Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 1:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Valiant

'Now I'm picturing the Gilligan's Island episode where they found the Japanese guy who thought he was still fighting World War II.'

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Uhmm was that the Voyager episode where they found Amelia Earhart? 'The 37s' I think it was called.
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Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 1:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Prophet Motive

I, too, thought that Bashir's annoyance/reluctance at being nominated was perhaps indicative of his genetic engineering, which was an issue that would come up in later episodes.

Eh, I liked this episode. The Grand Nagus Zek is hilarious and his voice and laugh are so ridiculous they're good. I also enjoyed seeing the Nagus' bodyguard, Maihar'du. Tiny Ron does a great job in that role and conveys a remarkable amount of emotion for someone who doesn't have any lines (his scenes as one of the Prophets don't count, as it's not him who's speaking).

Improbable Cause this certainly isn't, but it's entertaining enough.
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Tue, Mar 21, 2017, 7:50am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: The Siege of AR-558

Every time I watch this episode I can't finish it. It just doesn't hold my attention. I'm not entirely sure whether that has something to do with the lighting, or the pacing, or the fact that most of the main cast in this particular episode are people I'm not ever going to see again, so I can't get invested in them. I agree with the premise and what it's trying to convey, but not the execution.

As far as I can tell this episode has some great lines (such as Quark's speech to Nog about hew-mons becoming savages once they're deprived of their comforts) but it seems rather overrated. Each to their own, though.
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Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 8:20am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: By Inferno's Light

Wow. I have to say this is probably my favourite comment forum out of all of Jammer's reviews. It was a genuine pleasure reading through all the comments in this thread, especially the observations from Jammer and $G, and many others, on how all Alpha Quadrant species put aside their grievances to work together as a whole on both the individual and communal levels.

I agree with Yanks: Worf's scenes were that much more meaningful because of Martok's presence. It's been said that Worf sees more character development in DS9 than he ever did on TNG, which is probably due in no small part to Martok and the friendship that grew between Worf and the good general. They both worked very well together and had a natural chemistry, and got good episodes (for the most part). Most of all, Martok made Worf a better person. Nearly all of the Klingons we've seen interacting with Worf seem to bring out the worst in him: Duras, the Duras sisters, Alexander, Gowron, Kurn even (much as I like his character). Martok, however, is the brother, mentor and pillar of support whom Worf has unconsciously sought for his entire life, and he himself embodies all that is good about Klingon culture: nobility, a willingness to sacrifice himself for his friends and allies, and unwavering loyalty, not to mention a very Klingon sense of humour.

Garak was as stellar as always and I enjoyed the bits where Martok and Worf acknowledge their respect for him, and when Worf takes the time on the runabout to tell him that he did well. Strejda hit the nail on the head: it's great writing and showcases the Klingons at their best. It's interesting to note here that Martok is the one to praise Garak first, with Worf following suit; a small, but significant detail which foreshadows their future dynamic with Martok being in some ways the mentor of Worf.

Also agree with Luke that the scene where the Romulans ask to join the DS9 fleet is probably the best part of this episode arc. Watching Sisko's delivery of 'I'll be damned!' and welcoming them to the fight is highly satisfying and provides a sense of closure.

One last thing I'd like to note is that I vastly preferred the Romulan uniforms here. I hated the designs on TNG, which made them look like devious sofas.
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Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 11:06am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Life Support

This is the first time I've watched this episode. It was one that I skipped when watching DS9 for the very time a couple years back. I made it right up to the scene where Jake and Nog go on that disastrous double date with Jake's crush, and turned it off in disgust. I did try to watch a bit more, but the Winn/Bareil storyline just wasn't interesting enough to draw me in or make me care, and when Sisko actually started preaching to Jake about cultural tolerance therefore excusing Nog's absolutely horrible, misogynist behaviour, that was the last straw. Ascii was right that there's a limit to how far IDIC can go: 'Culture makes it more easy to understand, and may be a mitigating factor when we judge the morality of a given individual, but it does not make a wrong act right.'

Nog's inviting himself along to Jake's night out with a girl he (Jake) had presumably fancied for ages, coercing Jake into arranging a date for him as well, and then treating the girls like dirt - it's ludicrous that this is the guy whom the DS9 writers slated for more character growth than most of the Voyager crew. Frankly, this episode, along with Nog's stubborn denial and desire for acceptance in Valiant that very nearly got him and Jake killed, makes me wonder why Jake even bothered with staying friends with him at all. Is Jake really that desperate for friends?

A friendship should be on an equal footing, but it looks like Nog kept imposing his own worldviews and ideas on Jake, yet baulks when Jake tries to do the same. In other words Jake is the one doing most of the compromising. Not a healthy friendship at all, and certainly not something I'd expect to exist in Trekverse. It would have made for a much more wholesome viewing experience if the writers had Jake confront Nog seriously on how his Ferengi beliefs were irreconcilable with Jake's Federation (correct) sensibilities, and that the line has to be drawn there and no further.
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Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 5:28am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Q-Less

Ha, a lot of dissonance here. I also agree with Katie and Peremensoe about shorter comment-reviews, but I personally enjoy all of Elliott's comments. Some of the other, long-winded ones - not so much. I think it has something to do with readability. Elliott divides his comments up into easily navigable paragraphs; a lot of the comment/rehashes here that I see are gargantuan text blocks.

I also enjoy Jammer's longer reviews, which make for a very wholesome reading experience. Needless to say, thank you for providing this web space and venue to share your thoughts, confirm suspicions we have on various plots/characters, and of course allow the ST community to discuss the series, even after 20 years.

I found this particular episode to be an enjoyable hour of fluff. Sure it's not the best episode of DS9, not by a long shot, but it was harmless fun. The space jellyfish alien finding its way back to the Gamma Quarant was reminiscent of Encounter at Farpoint. It didnt pretend to be anything more than it was: a crossover from TNG to DS9. Q says as much when he looks at O'Brien with condescending distaste and says something to the effect of, 'Oh, one of the little people,' after O'Brien tells him that he used to serve on the Enterprise under Picard's command.
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Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 2:10am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Invasive Procedures

I came here expecting to read comments on the episode, but instead it's turned into another 'let's rank all ST episodes' fiesta.

This episode was okay. As Diamond Dave mentioned it's a bit talky and drags a bit, but it gets there. I agree with MsV's assessment: 'Verad was interesting but I am glad we never heard of him again'. A good performance from the actor,especially his portrayal of two different people, but he wasn't charismatic enough to warrant any followups. I must admit that I cheered when Sisko clocked him one and told him never to call him Benjamin again.

Quark's shrieking was absolutely hilarious. Gotta love me some Ferengi screaming.
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Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 12:51am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Next Phase

I thought this was a great episode, and contained some of the season's best comedy. Ro and Geordi work incredibly well together and have a very heart-warming chemistry that's a joy to watch. For me, the episode's funniest bits were when Ro kept wanting to know what it was that Riker was going to say about her, then shooting him, LOL! And then when they were both phased back, and Geordi immediately paging Englneering to take the warp engines offline..

GEORDI: Take the warp engines off-line until further notice...there's a muon wave building up in the dilithium chamber.
ENSIGN: (soundly suitably creeped out) Captain... who gave that order?!
PICARD: (with a broad smile)That was Commander Geordi La Forge, Ensign – please follow his instructions.

@Jack, was 'In Theory' the episode where that ensign sank through the floor and died? That gave me nightmares as a child. I still maintain that was one of the most disturbing deaths ST ever aired. That and Pegasus, and the way the crew died by being phased into the asteroid rock. Yikes.
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Sat, Mar 18, 2017, 1:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Profit and Loss

Peter G, apologies for the late replies.

Your hypothesis is a sound one, and you're right that Garak wouldn't have trusted Toran if he said rain was wet, let alone ensure his re-integration into Cardassian society. I especially agreed with your observation: 'From what we later see in the series (SPOILER) between him and Tain, eliminating enemies seems to be a premium pleasure for them.' I definitely think that what you say may have been very true, that Garak basically used the Natima Lang business as an excuse to do away with Toran. There's obviously bad blood between them. This way of eliminating his foes also falls in line with Second Skin in season 3, where Garak manages to get rid of someone whom he also did not part amicably with, whilst using another, bigger 'affair' as a smokescreen.

With Garak, it's basically what he doesn't say that speaks volumes. As Andrew Robinson put it, 'the substance of Garak is what you don't hear. It's what he doesn't say.' Filling in the blanks, if you will.
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Sat, Mar 18, 2017, 1:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Bar Association

Lol at all the super-long comments slash rants. Luke wasn't kidding when he said his review was going to be long. Was it really 10k words long?! Holy lmao that's some serious dedication. I have to admit, I'm a bit surprised at the amount of conservative fans here, since Star Trek is generally considered to be somewhat liberal.

I agree with SteveRage, it's entertainment and not something to strop about or get all foamy at the mouth over. And I've also noticed that Jammer has a clear bias against Ferengi episodes. IMO most Ferengi episodes on DS9 are hilarious. Little Green Men in particular had me in stitches. Armin Shimerman is a scream and he bounces off the other characters remarkably well.

@Luke: 'Showing a complete disrespect for someone who's clearly sick and/or incapacitated is clearly wrong and shows what a total scumbag you are.' Not entirely sure what you're trying to express by this sentence but under normal circumstances I would say that yes, employers forcing (temporarily) ill or unfit employees to work is indeed extremely unethical.

@Robert: 'O'Brien/Bashir/Dax are typically more liberal and Odo/Worf/Kira are typically more conservative. Sisko tries to sit more in the middle (although I think he leans left).' Great observation, I never thought of looking at it that way, though now you mention it it's pretty obvious.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Oh, and I'm not from America. Just thought I'd put that on the table.
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Sat, Mar 18, 2017, 5:44am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Things Past

Robert - I assume you're talking to me. I found Leeta to be an absolute delight. Felt rather meh about the other two.
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Sat, Mar 18, 2017, 4:15am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Second Skin

This episode was AMAZING. I wish Wolfe had been allowed to keep his original ending, that Bashir was unable to tell if Kira was fully Bajoran or Cardassian. Still though like others have mentioned here it would have seemed silly, especially after the whole Seska plot on VOY.

I'm going to agree with Yanks that Garak must've had a past with Entek, and he probably wanted to make sure that Sisko and Starfleet owed him a favour. He couldn't not have known that Bashir would go running to Sisko with the info he had on Kira's abduction by the Obsidian Order, and he must have known that Sisko would coerce him into joining the merry rescue team.

As for poor Iliana, I'm going to go with Conroy's idea, that the dead body Kira was shown was actually Iliana's. That seems a much better fate for her than the one in Fearful Symmetry (one of the non-canon DS9 novels). Being locked up (spoiler) as Dukat's sexual plaything for 15 years, turning insane as a result of the abuse and then going on a murderous rampage? NO THANKS.

We need a spinoff of the Cardassians.
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 2:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Things Past

@MsV: I didn't care very much for Kira's sanctimonious behavior in the end.

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Yeah, neither did I, although I suppose it was necessary, and is certainly consistent with what we've seen of her character throughout the series. I've just finished watching Necessary Evil and Past Prologue and it's interesting to compare her actions here with those two episodes. I do wish I'd been able to like the Bajorans (particularly the rebel fighters) more but it seems like they're the only ones who're allowed to kill other people. Then they get all uppity and righteous about others who take lives or participate in doing so. I must say I have to agree with Elliott when he says 'I'd like to meet a Bajoran who isn't a violence-prone asshole to validate the claim that their culture is enlightened.'
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 2:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Valiant

@MsV: Nog made me sick in this episode, when he saw "Red Squad" he put on his blinders and didn't take them off until everyone was being killed.
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Rewatched this again after two years to see if Nog was as annoying and unrepentant as I remembered. Yup, confirmed. Also that Dorian girl irritated me too in her last scene, where she's still in blatant denial about Red Squad and the megalomaniac captain. I still think we should have gotten a scene where Sisko heartily dresses down the two of them.

And if I were in Jake's shoes I would never have spoken to Nog again, seeing as his foolhardiness/need to be accepted in Red Squad/repeated denial very nearly got Jake killed. However near-death experiences do seem to be a common occurrence on DS9, so Jake's probably used to it by now.
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Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 4:27am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Afterimage

I, too, agree with JD and Niall that it was genuinely disturbing to see Sisko using reverse psychology on Ezri, an emotionally fragile young woman with no support system whatsoever. Not sure if I would classify Garak's chewing her out as such - Garak yelling at her seemed to me more like an emotionally compromised individual lashing out because he wasn't getting the help he needed himself. That being said I do think that Ezri did an incredibly bad job of counselling him at the beginning, but that was meant to be the point - that she was a confused girl who had been thrown in at the deep end and was in way over her head, and had a lot of growing up to do and fast. Both she and Garak needed help from someone who was emotionally and professionally equipped to do so, and forcing them together was a big gamble on Sisko's part that paid off because it's TV. If anything though their scenes together revealed a fact that I found incredibly intriguing: that Garak and Jadzia were evidently on much closer terms than we were shown, and that he cared for her deeply. 'You're not worthy of the name Dax,' Garak says. 'I knew Jadzia. She was vital, alive. She owned herself.'

As far as Ezri goes, I loved her character and what she and the writers did with it. I thought she perfectly conveyed the uncertainty of a young graduate who's been put into a situation far beyond her means. Someone on this site, but another episode, commented that she had a much better understanding of her Dax than Jadzia ever did. And it was nice to see someone from Starfleet who isn't absolutely perfect for a change, and has to face the same problems we do: self doubt, regret and having to live with the choices you made in the past.
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Sat, Mar 11, 2017, 1:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Destiny

@Quarkissnyder: Humans would be just as ugly to alien races as they are to us.

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I beg to differ, I found most of the Cardassian men very handsome, even with all that makeup, the grey skin, the snaking long necks and scales. I think it's something about how the reptilian design brings out their masculinity, especially in those broad shouldered uniforms. The DS9 Cardassian regulars were very easy on the eyes and improved with each viewing (Dukat, Damar and Garak), and some of the minor ones were real hunks. Glinn Tajor and Vornar come to mind. I believe the guy playing Tajor even turned to a career in adult films. I can think of lots of other attractive alien species too. One obvious example would be Spock from Vulcan (half human, but he still counts).

As for attractive Cardassian women, I thought Gilora was very cute, but Natima Lang gets my vote for being far and away the best looking Cardassian woman. Why is it that Quark always gets the stunners?!
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Thu, Mar 9, 2017, 4:03am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: The Sound of Her Voice

@JD: Huh, interesting. I have to admit that the Kasidy/Bashir/Sisko scene at the beginning struck me as odd, too. I was wondering what they were trying to convey, and as Kasidy notes, it was certainly rather mean-spirited and un-Captain-like behaviour from Sisko. I also noticed what you said about Avery Brooks' smile that didn't reach his eyes.

I never saw the Sisko/Bashir relationship in that light, but now that you mention it I do see a connection between the dots. Bashir often questions the captain's decisions and makes his opposition abundantly clear. Theirs is a relationship that's not been given much attention, but come to think of it Sisko seems far more distant from his officers than other captains. In fact I would suggest that the only officer he genuinely likes on his own terms is Jadzia.

The episode was entertaining, for what it was worth. I liked how the ST deus ex machina way of saving people in the nick of time is subverted here for once. Are we ever given an explanation for Julian's sullen behaviour? He seemed pretty off in this episode.
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