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Tommy D.
Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 8:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Law & Order: Trials of Trek

There are supposedly two as of yet announced Trek shows... I do agree that some of the best episodes and scenes in Star Trek are of the trial variety (Undiscovered Country is my personal favorite), I just am not sure in another 10 episode season if I want to see a full episode dedicated to the Trial of Agnes.

I think Raffi/7 makes sense for the characters involved (including Elnor, who was raised by women), but doesn't make sense from just what we were shown.

I also felt that there was a passage of time between Picards death and resurrection in the golem. I don't think it happened right away, but that also could be my headcanon. Soong had finished the golem, but Agnes would have had to oversee the mind transfer, which im assuming isn't a quick turnaround.
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Tommy D.
Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 7:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Commodore Oh putting a mental block on Jurati regarding the vision she showed her in the meld is in the story, which is why she didn't seek any outside help. Whether thats a satisfactory or reasonable explanation, ymmv.

"Why are they not at places that matter more to respective government policy?"

I thought being accepted to The Daystrom Institute would be the perfect place to infiltrate Starfleet.
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Tommy D.
Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 5:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

If you were to pare down to just the 1st 10 episodes of each respective series 1st season of Trek, I think only TOS might have any in the top 30.
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Tommy D.
Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 2:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
"So you are telling me that we should shut up and support this sh*t just because it has "Star Trek" in its title?"

I never wrote nor implied this.

No sir. I refuse to be manipulated in this manner. And I gotta say that it's quite amazing how many Classic Trek fans are falling for this cheap marketing trick. Seriously, guys. What's the matter with you? "

I don't get cynical and angry about things I have no control over. I'd say in Trek tradition, I feel fine.
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Tommy D.
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 9:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

I knew Isa Briones sang the cover of "Blue Skies", I just never thought of it that way.

Awesome.
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Tommy D.
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 9:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

I would be the first to fully admit, there were problems with this season. I thought there were a lot of interesting things (XB's, The admonition, the attack on Mars) that were never fully realized. Some things felt rushed. I didn't love all the characters.

However, I just don't care.

I grew up loving TNG, and Data (much like Mr. Spock) was my favorite character. To see him get a proper send off, conversing one last time with Picard, was more than I could have ever hoped for after Nemesis. If this happens to be the only season, I'd be grateful just for those last 10 minutes.

I don't begrudge anyone who didn't care for this. Thats okay. But I'll be honest and say I could never allow that much cynicism to get in the way of my enjoyment of these shows. And I mean that beyond Picard. Discovery, The Orville, Westworld, The Expanse etc. I find them all enjoyable, even if I think they range from mediocre to very good. As a Trek fan, I would have thought other Trek fans would be the most used to Star Trek being anywhere from downright bad to excellent, and finding enjoyment in it all the same.
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Tommy D.
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

Well, at least we didn't have to see that bird of prey explosion again.
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Tommy D.
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 11:46am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@ Quincy

Yes, I mostly agree. My comment was somewhat facetious in nature in response to how things can follow a character's decision path.

I did always find it a little puzzling that it was implied that The Borg were already near the neutral zone before the Enterprise were introduced to them. The dialog at the end of Q Who made it seem as if The Borg were just made aware of the existence of Starfleet and the Federation by their encounter. I don't know if that could be true if they were already attacking colonies along the neutral zone.
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Tommy D.
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:30am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I forgot her boyfriend and some Tal Shiar, too. But you're right, it would be a minimized body count, at least in the short run.
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Tommy D.
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:24am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

All he really had to was let him be part of the crew for a bit, but he couldn't help himself but stick his chest out. :)

I'm sorry though. I'm just needling a bit on those points. Though to your point Dahj likely still dies at the least.
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Tommy D.
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 1:49am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

If Picard hadn't pissed off Q in "Q Who" a lot of bad stuff may not have happened as well.
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Tommy D.
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 10:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I had a really strange (maybe bad) idea cross my mind after this discussion about Picard, and after reading Trent's post. What if Picard is already a synthetic? What if this actually is a different timeline, and maybe I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing about Picard? Its still not explained how he managed to survive the Dahj explosion relatively unscathed, or why he fainted (similar to how Soji does) upon descent to the synth planet, or why his dreams with Data seem to connect with part of this story.

Of course, I'm still holding on to the thread that Dr. Jurati is a synth as well :)
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Tommy D.
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I guess everyone has their own opinion, but I just don't see the brain damaged, mumbling idiot others are seeing. That Picard was in "All Good Things", and was constantly doubted, patronized, and told to go back to bed at one point by his old crew. The struggle for him to overcome that perception is part of what made episode special.

This Picard is nothing like that. He does have a little more Patrick Stewart in him than before as I believe Peter G put. But I like this Picard because he allows the other characters to breathe and act like people with their own interests and who are dealing with their own adversity in this world.
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Tommy D.
Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 9:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

@ Tim C
"Everything he's done that we've seen on screen has resonated for me. I don't think the show is treating him badly at all. Rather it's asking a question: how does someone like Picard act in accordance with his oft-stated lofty values, even without the backing that came with being a Starfleet captain?"

Agreed. Well said.
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Tommy D.
Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 7:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I don't see Picard as "doddering" or befuddled on this show either. He's not a part of starfleet anymore and he's not the CO of any of these people. Their responses to him reflect this, but I think he's able to adapt to all of this rather well considering he's been on the Chateau for over a decade.
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Tommy D.
Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 8:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I guess I should it was interesting in that it happened in the same scene.
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Tommy D.
Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 8:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I watched the episode again. I don't know why, but I found it interesting that Arcana refered to Picard as "Captain", and AI Soong referred to him as "Admiral". Not sure if its meaningful, but I guess I assume all the synths would have access to a wealth of information.
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Tommy D.
Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 9:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

Brent Spiner is 70+ depicting TNG era Data. The Data in Picard's dreams is wearing TNG era uniforms. Its Next Generation Data played by the same actor 20 years later.

Romulans may have a regional appearance? Laris refers to the Tal Shiar agent they capture at the Chateau as a "stubborn northerner", like Zhaban. Both the agent and Zhaban have varying degrees of the forehead ridge. And the TNG Romulans looked terrible, save for Commander Donatra.

I never watched Agents of Shield so I have no basis for comparison there.
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Tommy D.
Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 11:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

Coincidentally, I watched "Brothers" last night. Soong calls Lore and Data virutally identical, save for a bit of programming. Not really a huge retcon.
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Tommy D.
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 8:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I'm still clinging to the idea that there is something amiss with Agnes Jurati, so I'm giving the Sutra mind meld thing a pass for now.
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Tommy D.
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 4:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

To Paul M. I don't totally disagree with you. I love the series. In fact, I'm playing through ME2 again right now.
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Tommy D.
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 3:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I think a lot of people have summed up what I was trying to think of last night after watching; this felt like a mediocre TNG episode. Actually reminded me of parts of "Descent", which was also mediocre. I

Having played the Mass Effect series, I remember people being upset with the ending of ME3 (so much that they inserted another outcome). That game just kind of falls apart at the end. Up until that point I thought it was solid.
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Tommy D.
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 4:34am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

I want to like this episode more than I actually do. Did enjoy the wardrobe though. Throwback.
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Tommy
Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 12:12am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: The Sound of Her Voice

Really like this one. The a story twist is I’ve always remembered. The idea this woman was dying but had her last days with the crew was sweet then also sad she had no chance. I liked how it revealed how war weary everyone was.

One line in particular stood out when miles says someone in this circle (the crew) will be fine one day.

I really enjoyed the b story. Most of it was like able fluff but loved how it ended. Showed a more relaxed odo.

Interesting how dax has nothing to do here.
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Tom
Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Broken Pieces

Watching fan productions like Prelude to Axenar is like reading a book's appendix. Why should I care about a war and a bunch of random peoples' memories of it? How is that at all relevant to me?

The worst thing to happen to Trek (yes, worse than Abrams and Discovery) would be for it to be reduced to a series of footnotes elaborating on events described or alluded to in episodes and movies, and depriving them of their original context which makes those stories relevant to the viewer.
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