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LisaM
Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 10:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Apple

These people just lost their god, yet laugh at the end as if strangers killing your god is no big deal.
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ovadohr
Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 9:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: And the Children Shall Lead

Second for second, this episode had the least entertainment value of any TOS episode. Its dullness is matched only by its sheer dopeyness and vice versa. I actually hope the reason Melvin Belii was cast because someone owed him a favor. If he was hired on the basis of his “acting ability,” you just have to wonder.

When the show is not being boring, awkward, stilted, and repetitive (and when it is, come to think about it), it’s being offensively stupid. As in McCoy’s clueless grin at the end.

Belli has feathers in his hair and feathers in his head
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Sleeper Agent
Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 9:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Latent Image

I wholly enjoyed the first third of it. It had an aura of thriller to it, which later turns to a character drama with some intriguing philosophical dialogues. It's all very good, but I can't help wishing that the episode would've been of a more sinister kind.

3 Stars
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Stork1
Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 11:20am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: Friday's Child

I understand many of the critical comments made here, but I enjoyed this episode very much. There are some segments which are truly classic, especially involving Bones and Scotty. 'A few involving Spock, too.
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SouthofReality
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Heart of Glory

Yar should be working on her resume after Picard fires her for the inept security job. I suspect the Klingon captain had heard through the grapevine all pathetic star fleet security is and was thinking: "2 Klingon warriors against a whole star fleet vessel? oy! I best send over some help because those guys are worthless."
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Peter G.
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 3:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The First Duty

Watching this one now. A couple of details stood out to me more than they had before.

1) When Picard confronts Wesley, it seems like he's giving Wesley the chance to partially redeem himself by coming clean, but it's more than just urging him forward. I believe Picard was definitely going forward if Wesley didn't, so it was just going to be a question of which of them did it. I sort of think that Picard was condemning him either way, and that it would just be even worse if Wesley kept lying. Rather than 'Picard helping Wesley do the right thing', it felt a bit more like "this is your last chance before I completely lose all respect for you."

2) When Nick is talking to Wesley alone after this conversation with Picard, and Wesley says he can't live with the lie, Locarno tells him "who the hell are you?" Many in this thread have taken Locarno's general position to be that of a leader-figure placing the team first, but I have to be honest, I'm getting more of a sense now that it was all about him and that 'the team' was just a fig leaf for his personal glory. Picard's theory from earlier in the episode, that Locarno planned the whole thing to graduate in a personal blaze of glory, should probably be taken as a given, which means it was always about Nick looking amazing, and not about the others on the team. The "who the hell are you" is a total Hitler Youth kind of thing, where the implication is "you are nobody" and that an individual's conscience is irrelevant. I don't think he was being honest when he told Wesley he'd totally be willing to screw himself over the help the team; it was just a convenient thing for him to say. Wesley's comment at the end, that Locarno did exactly as he said he would protecting the team, rings hollow to me because by that point he was dead to rights and the only question was going to be whether everyone saw him for being a scumbag or for salvaging what remained of his public dignity. If I'm right, that he was basically a narcissistic opportunist, his last act wouldn't contradict that and would still fit the mold.
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Fakery
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 12:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

The actor is good, and so is Mulgrew, who really carries the dramatic weight of the episode (unfortunately, it tells us little about either Tuvok or Neelix). Garrett Wang seems to be having one of his hangover days.
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Peter G.
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 11:05am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@ Fakery,

Yeah, I'd pretty much agree with you, except for the sole fact that I really like what the actor portraying Tuvix did with the role. But other than that it's mostly a cop-out of a good premise. Because IMO he was so compelling it lends gravity to a story not treated all that seriously by the writers.
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Fakery
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 9:50am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Riddles

On the evidence of here, they never explain what they're talking about.
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Fakery
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 9:26am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

Am I alone in thinking this a pretty mediocre episode? "Good for Voyager," I suppose. It has the ingredients for a classic like "Duet" or "Measure of a Man" but is half-baked, so bogged down with technobabble and tedious explanations that it has almost no time to let the meat of it, its moral debate, unfold properly. In fact, there's scarcely any debate at all, in the episode -- fans have done with the work instead. So you can say, "Good that it's inspired discussion" -- well, better than nothing, but so much of this discussion owes precious little to the episode itself (and in fact frankly often reads like it's being written by people with very faint recollections of the episode itself). It's like someone took the structure of a patented TREK MORAL ISSUE EPISODE but knew the notes but not the music.

I hate to say it, but Enterprise did it better with "Similitude."
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RandomThoughts
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 5:42am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Dark Frontier

Hello Everyone!

I always like reading Elliott, even if I don't agree with what they have to say every time.

Regards... RT
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Todayshorse
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 1:21am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Muse

Hmm

Torres manages to land on a planet full of luvvies.

Luvvuies who manage to speak in a slightly damok style and one manages to annoy the almost Seven rivaling Torres for hotness in her figure hugging grey under uniform. And annoy her he does with just about every word he says...'Vulcan!' Grrrrrrrr
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Booming
Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 1:08am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@ Chrome
Being a soldier doesn't oblige you to commit self sacrifice (at least in non dictatorship armies). Self sacrifice is always voluntary.
And Tuvix status really depends on him being a new being or not. If he is a new being then he isn't a starfleet officer.
Sure the Maquis crew isn't technically either.

Peter is kind of right. Voyager needs a court. Problem here is that there is nobody on board who could be considered impartial. In the end it always goes back to starfleet regulations and Janeway.
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Peter G.
Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 12:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@ Chrome,

I think you hit the issue with this:

"As the episode plays out, though, Janeway's word is law"

This is a general issue with Voyager. Not exactly a design flaw since basically they wanted a TNG-style weekly adventure, but a flaw if you're looking at the show objectively for realism. A ship such as Voyager, lost and away from Starfleet, would *have to* establish a legal system and a court system for trying cases. It simply could not actually function having the Captain both running the ship and also being the law, because that's a direct conflict of interest between the person wanting to make the decisions versus also being everyone's de facto counsel and judge. Now since the show premise is more simple than all this and they never ask "but who takes the legal side of the crew or passengers when they disagree" we end up with absurd situations where Janeway IS THE LAW, Judge Dredd style. But that's sort of an artifact of 'this is a weekly fun show' rather than any kind of statement about 'this is how ships like this would really function'. I don't think it helps us to try to analyze how Voyager's power structure maps onto real power structures in our era because they writers are not trying to depict a power structure at all.
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Chrome
Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 11:38am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

Right, a Starfleet officer isn't property per se, but I think Yanks could make the argument that enlisting in Starfleet obliges you to certain rules and commitments the average civilian doesn't have (which might include, yes, self-sacrifice in the line of duty). I don't really know what category Tuvix falls into in terms of duty (and the episode itself isn't complex enough to ask this question). However, Tuvix does serve as a Starfleet officer and therefore may also be obligated to follow the rules and commitments .

As the episode plays out, though, Janeway's word is law, so even if Starfleet had certain regulations one way or the other, I'm pretty certain the crew as a whole has decided to let this big question be ultimately decided by the captain.
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:46am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Spock's Brain

I am fascinated with the idea of being one of those star trek hipsters that tries to argue that dreadful episodes are actually good for reasons you all missed, but with material this bad everyone would be able to tell I was lying to myself. This is TOS' equivalent of TNG "Conspiracy", an episode so off kilter that it feels like its being shuttled in from another, inferior, sci-fi show. Maybe they accidentally switched the scripts between Lost In Space for this one. Was there originally a character called Dr Zachary Smith?
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 6:29am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: A Taste of Armageddon

I honestly thought General Order 24 was going to be revealed to be "Keep hallways clear of mop buckets at all times to avoid trip hazards" - a huge Kirkian bluff. Turns out Starfleet really does have an Armageddon Order.

Nice episode, I liked the tone of the acting, which was a lot more measured than some of the hamminess of "Court Martial". You can feel star trek gradually becoming Star Trek, and laying the foundation for hundreds of future episodes of TNG, DS9 and siblings. Not VOY though, whose quality control procedure was lifted directly from the making of "Spock's Brain".

Just kidding. Well, only a bit.
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Trish
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 8:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: Metamorphosis

So Nancy Hedford had no friends, relatives, or colleagues who would have liked the opportunity to visit her, or at least communicate with her? It was all right to tell them that she was dead, even though she is actually alive as half of a joined being, not because she asked to drop out of sight, but because Cochrane did?
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Brendan
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 5:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Cardassians

I won't wade into the politics of this episode, but I wanted to bring up something that's always bothered me...

The scene in Ops where Sisko slaps Bashir down is really harsh. Bashir being belittled, in full view of the senior staff, is extremely jarring to me. Sisko's reaction to Bashir asking a couple of questions is way over the top IMO.

...and I say this as a guy who actually very much dislikes the character of Bashir but I felt for him here!
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MadBaggins
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 4:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Riddles

Do the people complaining about "PC" even know what the fuck they're talking about?
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Bobbington Mc Bob
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 4:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: A Taste of Armageddon

DEPLOY THE SILLY HATS
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Booming
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 3:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@ Yanks
A soldier is not the property of the military. There is military law which is somewhat different but that's it. You don't become a slave when you join. :)
But to be perfectly honest being a soldier sometimes felt like being in servitude...
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Peter G.
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@ Yanks,

"From a purely military perspective, Tuvix was on her ship so I believe that by default that made him Star Fleet property and Janeway's responsibility."

I doubt any human being, even in our era, would legally be considered to be property. In the U.S. that would probably violate the 14th, but more properly I think if the word "property" were ever used in conjunction with a person in a modern society there would probably be a revolution.

"My biggest issue with this episode is still Tuvik's reaction. We know he know's how Neelix feels for Kes, and we know he has Tuvok's memories... so for these not to influence him at the end was an unreasonable reaction/action."

We don't know that having the memories of some people automatically means you'd react how they do. But maybe more importantly, it doesn't follow that if Neelix would do something, and if Tuvok might do the same thing, that having the combination of both of their DNA and memories means you'd likewise do the same thing. The mix of them might well produce a very different result. But fundamentally I don't really see the relevance of examining what they would have done in his place, because all that gets us is *at best* an evaluation of him not being as noble as they are. Be that as it may I don't really see it as relevant to whether Janeway did the right thing. I think its chief relevance in terms of the episode is that it forced Janeway to not get off easy with her decision, but rather had to face the full force of knowing she was choosing for someone to die in addition to saving two others. The reality is that when choosing someone to die a Captain should *always* be keeping in mind that they want to live; in this case it had to be spelled out for her because she wasn't really treating him as a person but rather as a mistake to be corrected.
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Peter G.
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Image in the Sand

@ Jason R,,

I think you replied in the wrong thread...
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Jason R.
Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Image in the Sand

I am no expert in military law but I doubt servicemembers are the "property" of the military.
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