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Spockless
Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 5:14am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

Sure I could pick apart this episode's conveniences.. but it won't matter.. I love it the way it is.
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 8:17pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Troy G if you are going to criticize an episode thanks to a spoken line, get the line correct. All mercer told the Krill captain is that they now have a common enemy. He did not say 'we can be friends now"
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

"Ty's son".. ugh I meant Ty!!!!
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:33pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

Ty's son might be the most important human character in the episode.. showing the the side of emotion, love, and dependency to contrast with all the technology, logic, and cold reality of machines
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:30am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Charles J
Even in the of chance that the epilogue we got is ALL we will get, I still think the writing was sharp enough. Isaac joins the crew, but we are left to wonder about his trustworthiness (which makes him much more interesting now than before as a character), and Even the relationship with the Krill is more interesting.


But considering the Krill are back next week, it seems that what happened won't be ignored.

But Seth's approach is so gloriously old school.. he uses continuity, but he is not obsessed by it.
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Spockkless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 2:31am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

just be clear.. it wasn't really the upgrades from "Deflectors" that helped the Orville.. it was Isaac being told to upgrade them himself by Prime after the orange shirt was blown out the airlock .. that's when the upgrades really helped.. because before that the Orville didn't really have a chance
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:29am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Charles J all the stuff you mentioned is important.,. but I believe it was be threaded into future episodes.. I do not for second think that Seth will ignore any of those points. But this episode was only a two parter so it had to have an ending.
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:23am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

I wasn't; trying to do what I said I was against. I WAS saying ios that I LOVE the show for everything it is doing.. everything it is throwing into the pot. And the fact that Seth rEALLY believes in the show and the vision of Trek helps a lot.. it's not a smarmy put-down of Trek
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Spockless
Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 1:21am (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

The next episode will follow up on the Krill situation
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 9:22pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Nikki Exactly. I just enjoy it. It feels like I'm watching "new reruns" of TNG. If Orville wasn't on, I'd probably be watching TNG reruns. I take comfort in seeing things play out on a ship, and the various adventures and dilemmas. I'ts just more escapist stuff. I'm so thankful that Seth has created the look and feel of all of that. I'm thankful that it feels both old and new. that it's not always so serious, but it is sincere.
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Spockless
Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 5:07pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@GG

Everyone is damn concerned about classyfying things, just like everyone is more concerned about where and when something fits into a continuity. these are sad obsessions when taken too far.

Why can't Orville be all of those things. The owners of sTar Trek want to oversedign and overdirect the franchise.. they want to mine nostalgia without respecting canon. Why can't we have a show that is filmed in the style of 90's Trek, that can poke fun at the conventions we've poked fun of for years watching the reruns. This is a show MADE for the 40-year-old fan who wants to have a beer and enjoy it. We still want good Trek-like stories. We still want the look and feel of what we had in the 90s. But they're also improving things in certain ways, paying tribute to things in other ways. What is wrong with that? Seriously. The people that are so quick to classify and diss this show are the same hypocrits that will pay to see the Lion King remake, and justify how cool it is that we can now see every single hair on the lion's body. Or that don't mind that there are a gazillion superhero films out now but they are all derivatives of Superman.

Let us enjoy this show
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Spockless
Fri, Mar 1, 2019, 12:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part II

@Geronitius watch episode again. He was on a Krill fighter as he went to contact the Krill.. and was coming back from that

Surprised when Talla got shot. Also since gravity on her world is different for some reason I was surprised that she was able to be easily carried.. wouldn't her weight be different? Mercer carried her as if she was a little girl
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Spockless
Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 1:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Identity, Part I

Orville is awesome. It is the most effective way to do Nostalgia.. instead of bringing back old characters (Luke Skywalker, Superman, Optimus Prime, Spock) and ruining them, Orville takes a different approach
sure you can call it a Star trek ripoff.. and I would not argue that point. Clearly it is. But it was done with obvious affection. And by having a clear canon, and yet placing us in the kind of look and feel of where we were in the 90's you've levelled up the nostalgia. It is both new and old, it's funny, and insightful.
I didn't mind when the original Battlestar Galactica ripped off Star Wars visually.. it kicked ass. Every superhero (bar none) is a ripoff of Superman yet people LOVE this superhero trend)
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Spockless
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:31pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Deflectors

NS8401 RElationships ARE the premise of the show.. it's even in some of the taglines..One tagline went something like "In the future there has been lots of changes in technology. Relationships: not so much"

The show is not and never wa about battles. It's ABOUT relationships
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Spockless
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:24pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S2: Deflectors

@Jack

Sure, they can do it directly now without clunky metaphors..

They CAN.. but what made trek great was the fact it had the metaphors, thinly veiled and obvious, but metaphors just the same.. it's something that is missing from TV now, and I enjoy the throwback
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Spockless
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 9:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Saints of Imperfection

Guess we are not getting Spock next episode either.. just their way of making us subscribe to this for another month
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D'anna, Klingon Starfleet's Counselor
Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 11:35am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: Redemption, Part II

Lt. Comdr. D'anna, daughter of L-Waqxan'ha, Klingon Starfleet's Counselor...
Personal diary, note:

RAAAAAWR!!! You Chris Hobson dishonored mak'dar will drown in your blood!!! I'll drink bloodwine from your emptied skull and throw your corpse to the targs you filthy petaQ!!! And... Comdr. Hobson, do not forget your appointment on Tuesday, at 11:30 am, thaaaaaanks xxxxxs :-)
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StarTrekLover
Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 5:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Fusion

I'm late to this site, so don't even know if it's still accepting comments. But have to agree with the person above who completely dislikes Archer. More specifically, Scott Bacula. I think this series would have been much better with someone else playing the captain.
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Pindar Cockloft
Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 7:22pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Macrocosm

One of the things that really drove me nuts about this episode is that Janeway didn't seek the doctor out until halfway through. Not only is he the only crewman immune to the disease but he as a doctor is guaranteed to be a good source of information. I think Janeway would have gone to sick bay as her first stop.
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Tom Eklund
Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 12:28pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Course: Oblivion

"Great episode! As with every Voyager episode (and I literally mean EVERY Voyager episode), it is riddled with plot holes if you look closely enough, but if this is your issue, you might as well throw out the entire series and move on.

Oblivion is a winner for its emotional content and deep, thought-provoking material about the nature of our own existence and some of the big questions surrounding our finite nature."

I second that. Very well written, sir!
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Skuckle
Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 7:57am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part II

Oops. I did say he invented the holo-emitter. Which I assume he did. Because why would the time ship have one of those lying around? He only had it after the Doc appeared. But who knows?
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Skuckle
Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 7:54am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part II

I only said he invented win95, which was a joke. :) Earlier in the post I said he hadn't invented anything himself.
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Sklar
Wed, Nov 8, 2017, 10:16pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Rise

My oh my. Where do I begin?

First of all, another lame Voyager episode where nothing works. What a suprise.

Scanners couldn't track debris. Couldn't locate site of transmission. Communications don't work. Thrusters don't work on shuttle, so shuttle crashes (of course). Shuttle's warp and impulse engines and comminucations then don't work. Heck, even the elevator thingy doesn't work! I'm so sick of nothing ever working. So stupid.

Why didn't Voyager detect that the asteroid wasn't a real asteroid?

The whole, 'person living inside the carriage and taking Neelix hostage' stuff, was unnecessary and ridiculous.

Why did Vatm start the carriage before it was ready and leave everyone behind? He had absolutely no reason to at all. He didn't know that other guy was a traitor, and even if he did, why not say that, and get help from the others? What good does it do to launch the carriage all by himself? And why did he put the pad on the roof instead of just carrying it? Why and how does he have a pad with all the sensitive alien info on it? What a total coincidence that both the investigator of the attacks, and the traitor are both there at the same time for no apparent reason. And neither one knows what the other one did, so that's even more coincidental that they both end up on the carriage. Just ridiculous.

NEELIX: Doctor Vatm! Please stop! The tether's base hasn't been secured. If he launches now he'll destabilise the entire cavern.
SKLAR: Wait, please! Don't leave us here!
TUVOK: Stand aside.
NEELIX: It's too late. The cabin support structure is collapsing. We've got to get out of here.
TUVOK: Can we launch?
NEELIX: I think so.

Wut? So you can't launch, but it's ok to launch? Wut?

Then literally about 2 min later they are 30km above the surface. So they were going 900 km/hr. Though they say they are going 30km/hr. Ok then. Then they settle on 47km/hr. And that means it would take a little over 6 hours to reach the top, but earlier they said it takes 12 hours to reach the top. No one working on this show ever checks any speeds or distances or does any sort of math whatsoever apparently.

The other people on the carriage question why Tuvok is in charge of anything, since it's their carriage, and their planet, after all, and Tuvok basically says, 'because I can beat you up that's why'.

HANJUAN: Who put you in command?
...
TUVOK: If you are trying to intimidate me, I should inform you that as a Vulcan I possess physical strength many times your...
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Hanjuan tries to hit Tuvok, and Tuvok grabs his hand crushing it.
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TUVOK: It is going to be a long and perilous journey. As such, I will need your full co-operation. Understood?

Nice Starfleet negotiating skills Tuvok.

Then Vatm is murdered!

LILLIAS: Murdered? How?
TUVOK: Poisoning. According to my tricorder readings, his water supply has been contaminated with a lydroxide corrosive.
NEELIX: Lydroxide? That's the coolant used in the tether couplings.
HANJUAN: How do you know it wasn't an accident?
TUVOK: The coolant system is completely sealed, and there is no lydroxide anywhere else on board.

So Sklar killed Vatm. Why? No reason whatsoever that I can see. He didn't know who he was. Where did he get this poison from if everything on the carriage is sealed? He's just carrying it around with him just in case? And there's no trace of it anywhere now? Wut?

And as other people mentioned, they are already short of oxygen, so of course what they do is open the hatch and let all their air out. Pfft.

Tuvok fights Sklar, and instead of nerve pinching him or choking him out or something, he kicks him out of the carriage to his death. So Tuvok murdered someone for no real reason. But that's ok. No one cares about anything else in this episode anyway, so what does that matter?

And the second 'asteroid' is 2 hours away, and is supposedly going to crash into the planet, killing thousands of people. Why didn't Voyager warp over to it and destroy it long before it got to the planet? They just waited there at the planet for it to show up, because that worked out so well the first time right? But it's actually a ship anyway! Gotcha! So lame.

Then Neelix explains what was really going on the whole time at the end, with some pitiful exposition. So much lamer.

A terrible terrible episode. And for all the people saying it could have been better with better direction, not even Steven Spielberg could have saved this total pile of crap.

There's also even more crap that other people mentioned and even more that I tried to erase from my memory.

zero stars.
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Skeckly
Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 3:35am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

As far as 'canon' goes, I agree with @Dobber's comment a few above this.

You can't call something Star Trek and then ignore what has already happened in this very unique universe.

How about if in the next episode they have a lightsaber fight? Or pull out a magic wand and shout 'Expelliarmus!' to kill a Klingon? Or maybe Mike can use mind control on a pack of wolves?

That all may be cool, but you can't just start adding in or changing whatever you feel like, just because it's fictional. Well, you can, but then it's not a Star Trek show.
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Skuckle
Sat, Oct 28, 2017, 12:08am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part II

Torres says she is replacing the 20% of the programs (which on Voyager would be quite a bit!) taken by Starling. How? Do they have backups on an external harddrive? Not that when he 'took' them, they would just disappear in the first place. But the only one she can't replace is the Doc, because I guess they have backups for the air conditioning system or whatever, but not practically the single most important program on board.

And Starling says that the Doc's program isn't 'that sophisticated'. Really? In 1996 a holographically projected artificially intelligent doctor isn't 'that sophisticated'? Ok.

Starling adds pain to the Doc's program in what must be about 1/2 hour. How would he have the slightest idea how to modify an artificially intelligent being's program, that he had never seen or even imagined existed before about an hour ago, to feel pain?

And also in that same 1/2 hour, he has invented and manufactured a mobile holo-emitter for the Doc. Of course he did.

Starling is willing, despite all of Janeway's warnings, to risk his own life, and the life of his bodyguard guy, not to mention billions of other people's lives, just to invent a few more things? I don't buy it for a second. In this show he is basically the equivalent of Bill Gates (who also stole everything he supposedly 'invented', but we won't get into that) and do you think Gates would risk that? Of course not. He has everything any human being on earth could ever want, so why risk losing it all? Doesn't make much sense.

When Chakotay and Torres are held prisoner by the militants (of all things), Tuvok and the Doc show up outside. The building is surrounded by police. Why? Who called them? The militants? Tuvok? Wut? Why are they there?

POLICE: We want the aircraft, and the occupant from the aircraft.
PORTER: Get off my land!
TORRES: What are they going to do when they find a half-Klingon in here.
POLICE: Who the hell are you two?
TUVOK: Please stand aside, Officer.
POLICE I'm warning both of you to...
PORTER: They've got lasers! A black man and some bald guy.

And then the Doc comes into the basement. So did Tuvok and the Doc shoot all the cops? I guess so. I don't know anymore what's going on in this episode.

Janeway decides to do a manual launch of the photon torpedoes. Fine. But are you telling me that there is that option, of doing a manual launch of them, but that the person has to stand next to the torpedo and push a button on it and then die, or almost die? Seriously? We are expected to believe that that's how they designed the manual launch of a photon torpedo? lol.

Also before that happened, Torres had gotten transporters back online and transported everyone from earth back to Voyager. So why didn't they just transport the timeship into a shuttle bay which was their plan all along?

Finally I want to summarize what Starling did/had in these two episodes.

He had a 29th century timeship, that he somehow recovered from out in the middle of nowhere without anyone knowing, all by himself.

He studied it for two years and made some microchip thingy.

After 30 years he had invented WIN95 for computers.

He also had a phaser, that could disintegrate pretty much anything it shot at.

He had a tricorder. That he sort of knew how to work.

He could create forcefields.

He had a satellite in orbit around the earth that had transporter technology, that allowed him to beam himself anywhere at will, through Voyager's shields as well.

He had the ability to create holograms, using holo-emitters and mobile emitters.

He was able to attack and disable Voyager, and steal their programs, including the Doc.

He can make a temporal transponder to fake tachyon signals.

So why isn't this guy the Emperor of Earth? He has no conscience at all, and is a clear sociopath, and can perform miracles, by 1996 standards. He would have taken over the planet by now.

Also another episode where nothing on Voyager works. Weapons, transporter, communications. Ridiculous.

This episode is terrible. I was going to give it 1 star, but after rereading my own post I have to give it...

1/2 star.
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