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John Harmon
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 8:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Black Market

I can’t help but think that Zarek’s “utopian fantasy” line was a dig at Star Trek.
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John Harmon
Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 4:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

So synths will destroy the entire galaxy. You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. They’re doing this shit again. How many times can they recycle “thing will destroy the entire galaxy”? Seriously, they just did that with Discovery season 2. Technology will destroy the galaxy.

I was really hoping, in vain it seems, that Picard wouldn’t do the same thing as Kurtzman a Trek before and have it all culminate in something threatening THE ENTIRE GALAXY but here we are. No doubt the finale will end with an overblown space battle and then a cliffhanger that leans heavy on nostalgia to trick people into coming back. My guess is it will be Q.
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John Harmon
Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 8:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

Happy 25th anniversary Jammer! It’s so cool you’ve kept this up throughout the years. Congrats.
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John Harmon
Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 6:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

“Another thing nobody mentioned so far (I think). So Soji and Dajh were/are 37 month old? How did Dajh get into school and then accepted into daystrom? How did Soji get whatever references she has as a scientist? Both their biographies had to be constructed and then made so convincing that one could get into the best institute in the Federation and the other on a very sensitive post.”

@Booming the writers were hoping people would forget that. It’s the JJ/Kurtzman way. Nothing matters except what’s happening in that exact moment, whether it makes sense with what came before or what’s to come after. Doesn’t matter. As long as it looks good in the moment.
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John O’Hara
Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 1:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The Impossible Box

I haven’t posted here for a long time.

I’m enjoying this new incarnation of Trek because it reminds me Trek by it’s nature is the challenge to do just that, whilst remaining faithful to what has gone before. So it deserves a wide berth.

I’m enjoying it for what it is and clinging to hope for what it could be. There are some good moments across the episodes aired to date and lots of unrealized character potential. So I keep an open mind.

There have been a few outstanding moments (Seven/Picard dialogue topped only by the outstanding Picard/Hugh reunion) but I’m waiting for that outstanding episode to land. Hope we will see at least one this season.

Peace to all and that you to everyone for all of your views. And thank you to Jammer who started this for us 20 years ago.

LL&P
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John Harmon
Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 2:17am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

“ Picard goes into a preachy rant about "humanity" that is obviously intended to mock the high-faluting speeches Picard gave in TNG. Because that's all he did: Give speeches and then never act, never help those in need. He gave speeches and then went home and felt his job was done. And look at the world that has come out of that mind-set. Look at what the Federation has become.

That's why its so amazing that Annika - who has reclaimed her name and her humanity - listens to his bullshit and then goes back to doing what needs to be done: Taking action. Punishing those who need punishment. Righting wrongs and not letting people get away with their disregard for others.”

What an utterly depressing outlook. Even more depressing is that so many Trek fans seem to agree with it. It’s honestly sickening. No, vigilantism and revenge killing is not, nor has it ever been, the right thing to do. It can be very fun to watch in fiction, but making yourself judge, jury, and executioner makes you a bad person in real life. Judge Dredd is not a “how to” for society, it’s specifically mocking the overly violence obsessed sentiment so many people seem to have.

This notion that speeches and diplomacy have no place in problem solving is legitimately terrifying. More good has been done through sharing ideas and talking than through the barrel of a gun. And to see this kind of violence so gleefully glorified in something with the Star Trek name attached to it and justified as “BADASS” is utterly gut wrenching.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 4:21am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

“ They, for the most part leave the audience to figure out what the point is, to ask why, and then examine what they are watching to figure out the answer. So its a lot more demanding on the audience”

What are you on, because I want some.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:56am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Wow. Haven’t seen Jammer this worked up in a long time. I couldn’t agree more about this episode and series. They just straight up do not have good writers and show runners working on this thing.
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John Harmon
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 8:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

“ You cannot keep a fanbase alive over multiple generations solely via nostalgia.”

Oh the irony. That’s exactly what JJ, Kurtzman, CBS, Paramount, whoever have been trying to do for over a decade. That’s why the ‘09 movie was a reboot with the TOS characters, because TOS is still the ultimate most iconic nostalgia well for Trek.

It’s why Discovery is pre TOS and they brought in Spock. It’s why they desperately threw together a Picard series. Star Trek is nothing but nostalgia driven these days
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John Harmon
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 1:15am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

@Tim C
”I would like to say just how much I personally prefer the way the new shows are geared towards adult viewers. Adults swear, bat'leths stab, people bleed, and the preachy utopia of a well-run Federation starship in peacetime is revealed to be so much self-congratulatory back patting once you move outside of that bubble, something that anybody who has travelled to poorer countries knows today.”

Why are there so many supposed Star Trek fans that are so cynical? You like that they swear and show violent horror movie gore? Seriously? I could understand not minding it, but these things actually make you enjoy the show more? I’m pretty sure the swearing and violence are put there just because they want to show how edgy they can be for the 14 year olds who won’t even care about the show in the first place.

”Eventually, I'm going to want to see a return to a show aboard a happy-go-lucky ship, just for a change of pace”

Yeah that’s never going to happen. It’s all grimdark action dreck and has been since 2009.
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John Harmon
Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 5:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

Remember The Inner Light? Remember how it was about Picard living out the life of someone on a long dead alien planet? And throughout the episode we find out it was their star going nova that killed the planet and they knew about it for years? And this was a society of non space faring people. Their only hope of any kind of lasting was sending that probe into space, which was as advanced as they were technologically.

You absolutely have to suspend all logic or believe that the entirety of the Romulan empire just got really stupid to not be able to tell the sun of their home world was going to go nova.

If they did know about it for years, they could have evacuated everyone from the planet in time without Starfleet (as an aside it bugs me that these writers don’t know the difference between the federation and Starfleet). They could have used ships from the other planets in their empire. Asked the Klingons, paid the Ferengi. Never mind the fact that Starfleet aren’t the only ships in the federation that could have helped them. The federation is made up of over 150 planets. And if it really was only up to Picard for some dumb reason, he could have gathered a non Starfleet force of ships in many different ways to go rescue those Romulans
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 5:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

@Booming I agree. The idea of one great and moral man being able to completely shift an entire society back to the good way of thinking is nonsensical and cartoonish and lazy. It’s something a fan fiction writer would come up with.

Oh wait...
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 2:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

@Bold Helmsman BSG was timeless dialogue as well except for “frak”. They didn’t have anyone use 2000’s slang.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 1:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

@ Bold Helmsman how is it at all odd the way they spoke in TOS and TNG? They made sure to stay away from contemporary slang that would horribly date the show and had them speak more formally and classically, to keep the dialogue timeless. There’s nothing odd about it.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 10:31am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

How are we on episode 4 and he’s still recruiting people? He’s still trying to gather the fellowship to travel to Mt. Doom. Every episode is him trying to recruit someone and they say no (also known as “refusing the call” so I guess every single character is on their own hero’s journey) but then they say yes in the end. And the story is progressed not at all.

Why did Picard need this particular guy to join his crew? He said it was because he was something like he fiercest and deadliest hand to hand fighter ever. Ok...so why would Picard want to recruit someone for their lethality and then berate them for displaying their lethality? If you didn’t want him to kill people then why bring him along? I know why. It’s because that character is going to die later to add to Picard’s guilt and that’s the only reason. I’m going to call that now. It’s absurd to think a character who only wields a sword could be useful in a 24th century space mission where everyone has phasers.

Allison Pill’s character is useless beyond being an audience voice. Her only lines in this episode where to ask the other characters to explain things for the audience. This show continues to be nothing but extremely clunky exposition dumps. What a sad use of a character.

Everyone continues to speak like 21st century humans. They said Picard was “blowing up” on the transmissions or something, a phrase that’s already dated in 2020. The writers can’t even fathom 24th century humans speaking differently than today.

I remember in the documentary The Captains, Patrick Stewart said he loved Star Trek because it had a unique language all its own, and felt very Shakespearean in that way. Well...not anymore.

Picard just straight up doesn’t feel like Picard anymore. And it’s not that the character feels like a natural extrapolation of the character we know, but two decades into the future more world weary. He just feels like a completely different character. Patrick Stewart is playing him like he’s wise cracking and sarcastic and quite silly. It’s so weird. Every character in this show is just a Whedonesque wise cracker, including Picard and now Seven. These writers don’t know how to write unique and distinct character voices, so they just decided it was easier to have them all be quipsters. The Marvel movie method of character writing.

I think I hate this show. It’s bad on its own merits, and I’m confident the only reason people are still watching is because it has the name Star Trek and it has Picard in it even if they don’t realize that’s why. I love the character of Picard, but the TNG movies made he like that character a lot less because of how fundamentally different he was written. Here he’s written even worse and the writing and Stewart’s labored performance of him make me like the character even less now. Discovery is bad too, but at least I can ignore that. This butchers Picard and honestly makes me embarrassed for ever having been a fan in the first place.

Anytime someone criticizes this show as being convoluted or confusing or boring, I keep hearing people say “just wait until the end it’s not fair to criticize it now.” That’s such an asinine argument. You don’t read a book for the end, you read it because it engages you throughout. Picard just doesn’t do that so far. It’s ridiculous to say you have to wait for the last episode for a show to get good and it’s unfair to criticize it beforehand. That’s just not how tv works or how people work.

This show comes across like a fan fiction novel, the way It’s plotted and the way the characters are overwrought and at the same time underwritten. It’s just not a good show and I don’t have faith that the last episode is going to magically and retroactively make all the previous episodes suddenly amazing. Shows built on mystery boxes that try and manipulate audiences to keep watching until the end more often than not fall on their face rather than conclude in a satisfying manner. Especially if they’re made by JJ Abrams and/or Alex Kurtzman.
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John Daniels
Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 1:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S1: Fortunate Son

Bored and needed something to watch and found this series. The first episodes were awesome, until this one.

The writers must had a vacation and let the interns losse writing this one. If this was the Klingons the captain would not be giving them his dumb pacifist speech.

Any way were the other guys so afraid of them having a prisoner? They have every right to take them prisoner and judge him. If these people attacked me and hurt my family I would have done far worse to them. This episode is just embarrassing. I have not finished it but I may tried to get through it.
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John Harmon
Wed, Feb 12, 2020, 12:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The End Is the Beginning

Well, there's now vaping in Star Trek. That was a truly cringe "how do you do fellow kids?" moment. I'm sure Alex Kurtzman patted himself on the back for that.

And hearing Raffi say "pro-tip" to Picard felt as out of place as all the heavy cursing (we get it show, you're edgy). Seriously "pro-tip" is already a dated term that came from a reference to gaming. Hearing someone who's supposed to be from several hundreds of years in the future use it in a melodramatic context where she's pouring her heart out made me actually laugh out loud.

I just don't get why it's so hard for writers to write future people as future people. Trek writers used to be good at it. They avoided using contemporary slang so they wouldn't date the show, they had them all speaking more formally or classically, so the dialogue would always be timeless. They were smart about it. Now, I just don't think they care if the show is dated or not. It's just about what "feels good" in the moment regardless if it makes sense for the character or the setting.
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John Harmon
Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 6:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The End Is the Beginning

That article about Chabon answering fan questions on Instagram is 100% him just making stuff up on the spot. I don't believe for a second he had any of that stuff thought out.

He's really good at quickly making up answers like this but fails to include these details in the actual show.
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John Harmon
Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 2:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The End Is the Beginning

Comparing Star Trek to B5 is a bad comparison. B5 was deliberately made to be differently. Star Trek is a post scarcity socialist Utopia. B5 Earth is a horrific capitalist dystopia.

The only explanation for Raffi living in a trailer and being bitter about it is a straight retcon. It's been mentioned time and time again on Trek that in the Federation and especially on Earth, they have eliminated poverty and homelessness and people going hungry.

The entire point of Star Trek is that we humans finally got our stuff together and everyone is taken care of. There's really no wiggle room there. Chabon and Kurtzman just retconned it because they're too lazy to work within the confines of what was set up already.
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John Harmon
Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 9:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The End Is the Beginning

“Case in point: My disbelief in Picard being returned to his home after the episode on the rooftop, which was later explained by the ensuing conspiracy/cover-up.”

You can still be confounded by that, because it still makes no sense. Saying “it’s a conspiracy” isn’t enough. Because that was a gigantic explosion at the heart of Starfleet HQ. No amount of altering camera footage should be able to hide that that happened. Not to mention Picard being able to survive an explosion right in his face that knocks him back twenty feet. Who took Picard home? If it were the Romulans, why wouldn’t they just kill/kidnap Picard right there?
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John Harmon
Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 9:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The End Is the Beginning

It’s fine to have a tv show with a big mystery arc over a season, but if you’re gonna do that, you still gotta make each episode mean something beyond just trickling in a little more information about the one big mystery. It makes all the characters feel like plot devices instead of people and makes so many of the episodes feel like filler to pad out the season.

I’m hopeful that now that the plot has moved beyond this 3 part pilot, things will start ramping up and we’ll have smaller arcs and engaging character moments.
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John Harmon
Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 7:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The End Is the Beginning

Wait, so Picard didn’t save any of the Romulans? I thought he did lead the rescue mission, but it got interrupted. This makes it seem like the rescue mission never got off the ground at all.
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John Harmon
Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 10:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: The End Is the Beginning

@Booming

“It is interesting that many people who like the show can barely make it through a single post without making derogatory remark about the people who dislike the show while people who dislike the show do not behave that way.”

Yeah I’ve noticed that too. Same with Discovery fans. They can never just discuss the show, they have to belittle those who don’t like it to muse themselves feel better.
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John Harmon
Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 8:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

I thought it was weird that it was explained that the Borg will leave behind a cube and disconnect it from the collective.

Weren’t we shown numerous times throughout trek that they never leave their technology behind to be taken by someone else? They even go back to recover their dead.

Was there a time in Trek before this where they left behind their drones and a whole cube? They usually got blown up completely if they were defeated before.
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John Harmon
Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 11:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Maps and Legends

After the pilot gave me hope, this episode dashed them pretty much from the beginning. That was like ten straight minutes of just exposition and info dumping.

The utopia Planitia scene was a little much. All the workers are just bigots to robots for no reason.

So you know how the Romulans have a secret black ops unit? Well now there’s an even SECRETER more BLACKER OPS unit. That actually made me and my wife laugh. Kurtzman just loves secret organizations.

So this super super super secret group of Romulan spies are also cultists who hate artificial life. For...some reason. Even though we’re told there is no romulan artificial life and there’s never even been research into it. So these people hate androids even though they’ve never seen them. That just sounds weird.

But also I remember in TNG The Defector, Admiral Jarok admires Data and says “I know a host of Romulan cyberneticists that would love to be this close to you.”

I so could have done without the admiral cursing at Picard. That was so off putting.

I’m going to hold out a little hope that the series will get better, but this episode gave me discovery headaches.
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