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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 8:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows..."
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 8:21pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

"'So where's this "only 25%" suddenly suddenly coming from.'

From Airiam. In the episode we all watched."

That would almost be funny if only 25% weren't wrapped in quotes.

I can now ignore the posts immediately preceding.

This experiment is now concluded. Thank you for participating.
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 7:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

"Discovery was already onto ilicit multi-terabyte transmissions being sent from the ship as of last episode. "

Tilly: OK, well the the message is to Section 31. That contains data from the sphere. That’s the data Airiam downloaded before leaving.

And the download read 100% Complete. So where's this "only 25%" suddenly suddenly coming from.
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 7:30pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

Correction, should read:

Whose posts are you reading, anyway? Clearly not mine, since I made no such statement or statements to that effect. Did you read my posts? Doesn't sound like it. Tilly can't hack Airiam. She said so herself. Did you watch the episode? It's also mentioned in one of my posts above. Did you read my posts? Doesn't sound like it.
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 7:24pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

re: Nhan

"Nhan attempting to sneakily watch Airiam on the bridge was honestly hilarious though, because...she’s just standing behind the bulkhead doing a really bad job of sneaking?" — contributing reviewer James Whitbrook @ i09

"You argument about this episode continues to rest on a thing like, being shocked an artificial intelligence 500 years in advance of the current date has a greater capability of hacking Airiam than Tilly. "

Whose posts are you reading, anyway? Clearly not mine, since I made no such statement or statements to that effect. It's mentioned in one of my posts above. Did you read my posts? Doesn't sound like it. Tilly can't hack Airiam. She said so herself. Did you watch the episode? Doesn't sound like it.

"An assumption that it was it was Airiam who dumped her archive and not Control, when her best friend is shocked at the behavior."

I only relayed what the script provided. If anything it's Tilly who assumes it was Airiam, as she rightly would. Still, there's no logical reason why Control would selectively dump Airiam's archive into Discovery?

"… she [Airiam] is accustomed to having holes in her memory, and is trusting that her systems haven't been corrupted (probably supported by the AI that has infiltrated her technological components are likely telling her everything is AOK."

Pure speculation that has no supporting evidence in the script.

"Her devotion to her emotionally invoked memories is show to us before hand. It not magical, its a hail-mary that draws on a character's understanding of her friend and again, not before but AFTER Tilly uploads new information into Ariam's active memory."

@47:34 "I think it's because you adored me."
@47:35 Airiam shakes her head.
@47: 43 "Im gonna send you something."
@47: 46 Replay of coffee klatch. Airiam continues trying to open the door.
@47:45 "Airiam, I know you can hear me.
@47:46 Control loses control or Airiam regains control. Take your pick.

There's no established precedent for Airiam being able to shake Control, because if she could have the jig would have been up a long time ago (if she had done her duty, that is, and reported that she had been compromised). And if, as you stated, Airiam's awakening occurs after the upload the obvious question remains, which I've already stated, but will repeat once more: why would Control accept an upload from Tilly? Why would Control respond to Tilly at all?
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 6:40pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Yanks

And then maybe she was just following her Captain's orders. Crazy theories can be fun, but I don't think it fits.

This doesn't make sense either:

@30:28 100% Download Complete. Message sending. Message sent.
@48.25 "I was only able to transmit 25% of the A.I. data."

What is Ariiam referring to? When she was standing at a panel punching buttons? If Control can control the station, control the mines, and control Ariam, why would Control need to access itself manually if all it involves is transmitting the information?
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 5:24pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

To conclude Airiam: how can an outside agency, in this case Control, which is software, switch on an off an identity rooted in an organic brain? It can't. Unless that organic brain is superseded by a cybernetic control system or is cybernetic itself.

To conclude Nhan: the "emperical progression" of scenes has one character (Nhan) first encountering another character (Airiam) involved in what appears to be suspicious behaviour. Camera holds on a suspicious Nhan. It then immediately proceeds to show Nhan following Airiam (who is joined by Tilly) and stopping at Bryce's station and looking Airiam's way twice with active regard. Throughout the mine conflict the editor cuts back and forth between Nhan espying and Airiam at her station.

That's called "empirical progression".

To state that:

"the follow[sic] scenes do not support this assumption precisely because she does not address such concerns "

… is a logical fallacy, because your B is not supported by your A.

Why would an editor repeatedly cut to Nhan espying Airiam at all if there were no narrative purpose (particularly when it's already been established that Nhan's suspicions had been raised)? That’s what editing is for: structuring narratives. Otherwise it's an incoherent jumble (unless they're going for surrealism, which is hardly the case).

What B proves is that Michelle Paradise can't write her way out of a paper bag.

@Charles J

All I know I know from the script. Everything else is just pure conjecture and has no bearing on what is shown and heard onscreen.

1. There is no evidence of a power struggle. Control can control Airiam on a whim. And Airiam is seemingly none the wiser … except when the plot demands it.

2. Since asking Tilly to stay at her side demonstrates sudden self-awareness of her own compromised situation she should have said something to that effect. Except she didn’t. She’s a Starfleet officer interacting with another Starfleet officer aboard a starship in a crisis situation and yet she kept her worry to herself … because the plot demands it.

3. Tilly informs everyone Airiam dumped her memory archive into Discovery. Tilly states she doesn't know how to hack Airiam. But apparently Control can hack Airiam since it can turn her off and on at a whim.

3. Airiam, in a supposed fit of self-awareness, dumps her memory archive into Discovery. The only reason to archive something is to preserve it in the event of loss. Why didn’t she take that same amount of time to warn someone? Because the plot demands it.

4. Control née Airiam somehow hears a private comm … because the plot demands it.

5. Airiam magically regains control from Control in the nick of time to save the universe … because the plot demanded it.
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 3:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

It hasn't been established which parts of Airiam are organic and which parts are biomechatronic. As far as her brain is concerned: how would she be able to archive memories unless her brain wasn't biomechatronic in part. Or whole. Who's to say, as you're want to do, her sense of identity itself doesn't reside on a chip.

Unless the writer spells these things out … like maybe spend more time developing a character.

In any case, whether Airiam is still inside there somewhere in some capacity is really besides the point, there's no reason Control would suddenly lose control at that critical moment unless it's because the plot demanded it. As I stated previously, there was never any indication of a power struggle between Airiam and Control. One minute she's Airiam and, when it suited Control, she's Control. And then it's back to Airiam when Control doesn't need her anymore.

But yet somehow Airiam overcomes Control's control just in the nick of time to heroically make the greatest sacrifice.

It's all very unearned.
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 3:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alain

"Yes, as you note, Nhan is looking in various directions."

Never wrote various directions. Bryce's station is to the left of Airiam's and Nhan is facing Bryce looking to her left.

Ergo: she is looking at Airiam and Tilly whom she followed after exiting the room she first had had her encounter with Airiam.

"the follow[sic] scenes do not support this assumption precisely because she does not address such concerns with the Captain and she appears suprised when Airiam attacks them"

That is called circular reasoning.
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 3:25pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alain Roi

I'm operating under the assumption that Control had to dump Airiam's ROM and RAM because it had to make room for the sphere data, and however possible it was that Airiam was aware of this at the time, she dumped her archive into Discovery as an act of self-preservation.

Why else do it?

While you're operating under the assumption that Control downloaded the sphere data leaving enough room for Airiam's ROM and RAM thus permitting Tilly to break Control's grip with a well-timed tear jerker of a speech.

Why would Control retain Airiam's ROM and RAM?
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 2:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

Alain Roi:

Tilly: She downloaded all of her archived data … ALL OF HER MEMORIES … onto Discovery. NONE OF IT IS IN HER HEAD ANYMORE. Those memories meant everything to her.

What's NOT in your head can't be actively used.

Ergo: there's no Airiam in there.

That's what the script says.
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Gil
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 12:44pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

DISCOVERY’S CONTINUING LAPSES IN LOGIC IN FAVOUR OF PLOT DEVELOPMENT AND FEE FEES:

What the script says:

Pike: We’re fighting the system itself.

[…]

Tilly: She downloaded all of her archived data … all of her memories … onto Discovery. None of it is in her head anymore. Those memories meant everything to her.

Pike: Find out what she download into place. Lt. Bryce, open a secure channel to Burnham and Nhan only.

[…]

Pike: What is Airiam doing?

Burnham: Trying to restore the Admiral’s access to Control.

Pike: No she’s not. Stop her. Now.

[Airiam turns around.]

[…]

Pike: Airiam’s compromised. Something’s controlling her through her augmentation.

Tilly: Sir, do you remember the sphere, it was dying, it had a lot of data…

Pike: I was there, get to the point.

Tilly: OK, well the the message is to Section 31. That contains data from the sphere. That’s the data Airiam downloaded before leaving.

[…]

Cornwall: Why would Control want A.I. data?

Burnham: Oh, that’s it. It wants to think. It wants to evolve. The data is like a roadmap for Control to become fully conscious.

[…]

Pike: Can you delete the data remotely?

Tilly: I can’t access the system. And I definitely can’t hack Airiam.

[…]

Tilly: Open a channel to Airiam. Please. Airiam. Hi, it’s Tilly.

Michelle Paradise: Turn on the tears, Mary.

FAIL: By uploading all her archived memories to Discovery, Airiam is no longer Airiam. She’s Control.

FAIL: How did Airiam overhear Burnham’s and Nhan’s private channels?

FAIL: How could a non-sentient computer [Control] “want” something, let alone possess a desire to evolve, unless it was already sentient, Burnham?

FAIL: Why would Control hesitate at Tilly’s voice? Why would Control accept a data stream from Tilly?

As is abundantly clear, nothing makes sense … once again … except that the writers continue to place priority on fee fees over sound reason.

At no time in the episode is there any indication of an overt power struggle taking place between Airiam and Control—only this one voice of concern out of the blue:

@19:57 I would like you to stand beside me. Do not move until we solve this problem. Do you understand … Please, Tilly.

But where is this voice of concern coming from? Intuition? Does she know what’s happening to her? That’s she’s being controlled.

And if she does, why is she wasting time asking a fellow officer [Tilly] to ignore that officer’s own duty in a crisis in lieu of doing her own and informing her superiors that she may be compromised?

And if uploading her archived memories to Discovery were an indication of her own cognizance of having been compromised, but yet still manages bouts of self-control—such as in that instance—why wouldn’t she have again not informed a superior she had been compromised?

It’s all bollocks!

You barely have to scratch the surface of this episode (show) to uncover it’s built out of a house of cards.

Just squeeze some soapy melodrama like ketchup and mayo between a lot of fast-paced action and whiz bang special effects and voilà: instant fast-food DRAMA, CW style.

Was Star Trek ever this obviously stupid?

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NHAN (again).

Explicit shots of Nhan eyeballing Airam suspiciously on the bridge after their encounter in the “computer” room:

@19:42 Nhan follows Airiam and Tilly.
@19:55 Medium shot of Airiam [standing at Bryce’s stating] staring at Airiam.
@20:11 Medium shot of Airiam still staring at Airiam, then acknowledging Bryce, and then giving a sceptical sidelong glance to Airiam.

Again, this is a Starfleet officer, the chief security officer to boot, who fails to do her duty to inform her superiors of any suspicious behaviour or outright concern of possible sabotage.

SUMMARY:

Like so much bad writing for television and film these days, characters conveniently keep their mouth shut to keep the plot chugging along, despite the fact that common sense would dictate they would, should or it’s their stated duty to speak up.
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Gil
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 1:59am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi cont'd…

And besides, what could be more telling than having Nhan skulk behind a support with vantage of Airiam's station throughout the conflict. Shouldn't Nhan be at her own station (previously scene positioned on the opposite side of the bridge)?

Frankly, the whole setup is altogether silly and makes me laugh*. Both because the intent is so transparent and because, allowing for Nhan to position herself anywhere on the bridge as she so chooses, why didn't she just take a position in immediate proximity to Airiam?

Because that would mean we would have to throw the last 30 pages of the script right out the window, you nincompoop.

* HA, HA. Oh jeez, I just reviewed the sequence again and there are actually four moments during the battle that show Nhan espying Airiam.

@27:45
@28:05 (the funniest one)
@29:09 (easy to miss)
@29:55
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Gil
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 11:42pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

"this is a tv show not a military documentary. "

It is? [shocked face] But then … that would mean none of your own "real world" reasoning would apply either.

"Pulled, yanked, twisted - just like arms and legs."

You're reaching.

"Nope. Nope. Nope"

Yup. Yup. Yup*.

Editing is storytelling in time.

An editor wouldn't repeatedly cut between the same two characters, one a security officer, the other her suspect (whom the audience knows is guilty), unless said editor wasn't trying to communicate to the viewer that the set up between the two of them in the first act wouldn't pay off somehow at some point down the line. Otherwise there's no point including the two bridge sequences (which intercut between the two eyeballing each other) in the final edit.

* Lingering scrutiny telegraphs potential conflict, generating suspense, or at least that's what Frakes was aiming for.
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Gil
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 9:18pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

“The Admiral also never told Detmer to rely on unreliable sensor data …”

Yes; that ellipsis of mine doesn’t establish a sufficient break between the Admirals actual voiced instruction to Lt. Lady Driver and only the implication she would have just the (supposedly) unreliable sensor data to rely upon.

re: Long Hair

“Female sailors can soon sport several new hairstyles including locks, ponytails and options that fall below the collar in certain uniforms, according to new approved regulations announced [10 Jul 2018].

Lock, or loc, hairstyles and buns that span the width of the back of a female sailor's head will now be authorized for women in all uniforms. Ponytails will be OK in service, working or physical-training uniforms -- provided there's no operational safety concern. And hairstyles that hit beneath shirt, dress or jacket collars will be approved in dinner-dress uniforms.” — military.com

Pony tail ≠ Flowing mane reaching below the breast that would: cover the face in a melee, become waterlogged and caked in aqueous conditions, or snared in machinery, or easily pulled, yanked and twisted.

Nhan is not particularly imposing at 1.66 m and her mane is a third of her height.

“There's only 1 single instance where Nhan can be said to be remotely suspicious of Airiam”

There … are … four … times.
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Gil
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 4:45pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Alan Roi

“People see what they want to see.”

[cough, cough]

“Does my post discuss the shows and related issues, or someone else's behavior?” — Jammer, Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 5:24pm

****

THE ART OF THE EDIT

“Nhan showed her suspicions 1 time. Not three..”

Actually four times (I forgot one).

1. @18:56 “What are you doing?" Obvious lingering suspicion.

2. Film language 101:

@27:33 Cut to Airiam telling Tilly “she’s got this” and can go back to her post.
@27:45 Cut to Nhan looking in Airiam’s general direction.
@27:46 Cut back to Airiam.

3. Film language 101 again:

@29:49 Cut to shot of download 95%.
@29:53 Cut to shot of Airiam turning her attention to Nhan’s location (Airiam’s stage right).
@29:55 Cut to Nhan espying Airiams' activities.

4. Film language 102:

@38:53 "I'll be back in 2 seconds if you need anything." [foreshadowing]
@38:57 And as Nhan steps backward she casts an extended gaze Airiam's way. [signposting]

And at no time does this security officer inform a superior officer of her concern or suspicion. Give the writer a round of applause folks.

NHAN

"Her breathing apparatus is no more vulnerable than a regular person's throat …” and “… backup systems on the suit are likely to be limited in capacity and capability as most emergency backups are.”

Except the human trachea does not extend laterally outside both sides of the face like handlebars readily seized and snapped, and suffocation will not ensue from blunt force unless the trachea has actually been crushed, so it’s not necessarily a given that a human would go down for the count like a Barzan. And, as should be expected, combat skill will come into play when executing an attack or anticipating and performing defensive counter moves. A human security officer wearing an EV suit without a helmet would be highly cognizant of the fact that their head and neck are the likeliest targets, a Barzan quadruply so because they’ve got these two respirators poking outside of their face which might as well have flashing neon signs on them blinking: GRAB ME! NO! GRAB ME!

Preliminary Risk Assessment: You don’t send a Barzan Barbie into an offworld bar fight without a helmet.

As to practical technology and equipment. This is the 22nd century we’re talking about here, a time that has spore drives, holographic communication, and sentimental cyborgs. Why would EV suits purposed for microgravity come standard with inadequate backups? Why, given the atmospheric mix requirements of the species when offworld, would their EV suits not be personalized and equipped with more than “limited” fallback to meet basic life support in the event of an emergency?

Without such, a Barzan is a liability risk, both to themselves and others.

Certainly in the real world you wouldn’t expect to see a security officer lugging around an oxygen tank for a debilitating respiratory condition, anymore than you would be likely to encounter one requiring the use of a cane. A security officer’s job presents unique challenges, has particular requirements, and demands a specialized skill set, all in order to meet rigorous standards. Not all individuals can meet these challenges and requirements or possess the required skills. As is the case with Barzans, whose demand for ancillary material support for basic respiration introduces an obvious tactical disadvantage into the mix.

So is Nhan a go? “Computer says No.”

“Her suit was out and not sending any telemetry after she was thrown 50 feet. Every reason for the others to believe she was dead.”

That's pure conjecture. A logical fallacy. And it's not in the script. Plus it’s a perfect example of the “technology go dumb-dumb” for the sake of the plot trope. It also ignores Burnham not taking proactive measures in the 55 seconds that were available to her to check on her “man down,” which in the absence of any immediate threat to her person should have been her first course of action. Milling about wearing a worry face just doesn’t look good on the ranking officer of an away mission.

“Again, no one is getting beamed out, implying no lock was possible due to station defenses.”

I addressed this earlier; nowhere in the script does it state or imply there was any transporter impedance. Quite the contrary:

@38:05:
Burnham: Captain, still no life signs and gravity is out.
Pike: Please be careful. Standing by to BEAM YOU OUT.

SPA DAY

I “can't imagine how you didn't notice that” she [Nhan] doesn’t wear her hair in a bun when she’s on duty aboard ship. Common sense would dictate that a security officer would deny an opponent any possible advantage in close quarters combat, let alone have her line of sight obstructed, or risk entanglement in equipment or debris. Therefore, when on duty, Nhan should be wearing her mane in a bun or take the more practical approach and simply have it shorn.

Haplessly, this leads tangentially to the onboard Talky-Tilly Dolly and her Side Show Bob fro. Since she often works in and around highly conductive environments and equipment the risk of electrostatic discharge makes her a walking fire hazard. Not only that, but it would be getting up into everyone’s faces and she’d be constantly shedding all over the ship on and around sensitive electronic instruments and hardware. Ewww! Poor Stamets is probably picking up hairballs every where he turns.

In a common sense world, both Nhan and Tilly would be violating numerous health and safety regulations. But this being Discovery, we get a security officer who looks like she works the door at Bergdorf Goodman, and the comic relief figure who needs a giant ginger mop to achieve pitch perfect proportion … well, they have to compensate for the width of her hips somehow, don't they? Diet and exercise haven’t worked.

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

“Should the ship appear to have been flipped horizontally 180 degrees from its previous position, then 'upside down' is not an inaccurate statement and quicker to say …” and “… a helmsman not being able to trust what their instruments are reporting accurate information is cause for alarm.”

For purpose of clarity: position and attitude (angular position) are distinct measures. The former describes location relative to a given reference point and the latter orientation in space in relation to another body.

It doesn’t matter which way the ship is “flipped”—whether it’s topside is facing you spinning adrift in the void running low on oxygen waving frantically to Lt. Lady Driver for help, or its bottom is “flipped” to me sitting pretty a whole franchise away sipping a 200 year old scotch on the “No More Mr Nice Guy”* placing bets on whether Discovery runs you over—Lt. Lady Driver’s orientation in space remains the same, i.e. her up and down is determined by the strongest source of gravimetric pull which, in her case, is the ship’s grav-plating.

* Name of GSV class ship from Iain Banks’s “Consider Phlebas.”

AND … ACTION!

The blackout mines are feeding the Discovery “false” sensor readings, and in one particular instance, apparently these “false” sensor readings are informing Lt. Lady Driver that the ship is “upside down.”

OK. Fine. Just for the moment let’s go with that and Discovery’s navigational computer is outputting data about the ship’s orientation in the vernacular. Still … “upside down” respective to what? And why would it matter in this particular instance?

The Discovery is shown making four manoeuvring rolls, and it’s during the second that Lt. Lady Driver reports the “sensors are saying” they’re “upside down.” Meanwhile mines are bombarding the ship from every vector and there’s no obvious angle of escape. Still, Discovery only needs to maintain course in the station's direction; whether the ship’s orientation aligns with that of the station or not is irrelevant. And a ship that is oriented 45º, 90º, 135º and then 180º from the centre line along its axis at, let’s say, 5, 10, 15 and 20 second increments is literally a manoeuvring roll in progress.

So the Discovery was halfway through a roll (oriented 180º from its last reported relative angular position) when Lt. Lady Driver panicked. The more generous take might be that she was stating the obvious with a surprising degree of enthusiasm.

The only instance of warranted panic was when Lt. Lady Driver announced “the helm is not responding,” whereupon Admiral Back Seat Driver told her to fly blind … utilizing (apparently) unreliable sensor data to boot.

OK. So which way is the station, Admiral? “ANYWHERE!” submits Burnham. And so Lt. Lady Driver proceeds to input random evasive manoeuvres with nu-Pike’s “You Can Do It” bromide to cushion the ride … and “flies” them all right into a ditch.

D’oh!

TERMINUS

“plane crashes … ships running aground”

Ya, but no. Though given the events that take place in “Project Deadalus” anything seems possible. Apparently all it takes is a little grit & spunk and maybe a daily affirmation or two and you can just about do anything, and go just about anywhere.
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Gil
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 5:44pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

When the Writing Room Just Keeps Letting You Down:

1. Nhan is a just an ill-conceived character, plain and simple.

Nhan is a security officer with a built in tactical disadvantage. She can’t breathe in an oxygen atmosphere without artificial support, which makes her functionally useless as a security officer in hand to hand combat because, as was demonstrated on screen, an opponent merely has to deprive or disable her respirator to incapacitate her. Nhan has a second tactical disadvantage, this one defying basic common sense: her luxurious, Estée Lauder mane, which can also also be taken advantage of in a physical confrontation, can get caught in an obstruction, or can even catch alight.

And based on the bad writing, Nhan is also hilariously bad at her job. Three times the writer signposts Nhan's concerns and suspicions about Airiam, but she doesn't once raise these concerns or suspicions to one of her commanding officers, whether Pike on Discovery or Burnham on the station.

2. What happens when you hire writers who only write to plot.

Given this respirator provides basic life support for a crew member, its function would have to be common knowledge aboard ship (in the event of an emergency), so why would Airiam, who is no stranger, enquire after it unless the writer was only using the dialogue to signpost Nhan’s Achille’s heel. Or why doesn’t Nhan’s EV suit not house an emergency breathing apparatus in the event of helmet breakage or loss? Details, details, details.

@44:00: Airiam rips off Nhan's left respirator in front of Burnham
@44:06: System reports Airiam's suit offline.
@45:43: Airiam has locked herself in; Burnham reports she's fine.

Almost a full minute passes and Burnham makes no move, makes no inquiry, or shows any sign of concern for Nhan's status. From the looks on the faces of the bridge crew they fear the worst but none bother to follow up, because apparently as far as the writer sees it, in a ”man down” situation the bridge crews’ jobs consists primarily of gawking at a gigantic TV screen looking concerned.

The writer also conceptualizes EV suits without emergency backup systems, so that neither of these things happens as either could or should:

Burnham: Nhan’s down; in distress. I can’t lend assist.
Pike: Transporter room. Lock onto Nhan’s transponder. Beam her out of there.

or even …

Pike: Transporter Room. Lock onto Airiam. Beam her to a maximum security cell.

@50:53: Nhan reappears apparently no worse for wear.

I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this Nhan, but the writers didn’t really think through your character or the technology you rely on, or even endow the Discovery crew with the ability to multitask. Maybe, next time, just punch Burnham in the face. That seems to get everyone’s attention.

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And back to that "upside down.”

@27:53: “Switch to pattern Gamma 4.”
@28:00: “Discovery commences roll manoeuvre.”
@28:15: “Discovery completes roll manoeuvre.”
@28: 32: "Sensors are saying that we're upside down."
@28:33: "Those are blackout mines. They interfere with navigation."

Three questions:

3. How misinformed must the programmers (or writer) of those blackout mines (“floating" in zero-G) be to include "upside down" in their counterintelligence arsenal (script)?

2. Since there's no such thing as an "upside down" in zero-G—no north or south—why would the sensors acknowledge, let alone report a non-existent spatial property to the helmsman?

1. Since she's "flying" a spaceship in zero-G why is Lt. Lady Driver panicking when her sensors indicate something she would surely know doesn't apply in their situation?

And ya gotta love this contradiction in motion:

@28:40: “The helm isn't responding.”
@28:41: “It is, Lieutenant. You're flying blind, just like in the Academy.”
@29:40: Lt. Lady Driver begins inputting a succession of random course changes …

… which means she would have to be receiving some kind of guidance control feedback, otherwise she wouldn’t know when one course manoeuvre has ended and the next begun, or whether one or more manoeuvres are impossible to execute based on the one proceeding or following. She’s not flying a jet in a planet’s atmosphere where she would receive visual (or audio) cues and experience physical stress response to acceleration, tilt, rotation and g forces.

So not not responding. And not not blind.

No excuses. Fire the writer(s)!
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Gil
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 1:05pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

@Bert

“Gil, if you hate it so much that your comments are such vitriolic hatred that they turn into trolling …”

Since I have the time. You’re really gonna make me go there, aren’t you?

Please provide any evidence of my having articulated hate or taken hostile action in any form toward any single poster on this page—unlike, say Booming and others like yourself, who haven’t met a disparaging allegation they’re not unwilling to lob at another poster to control or sideline the discourse.

Also, please provide any example of my writing on this page that even comes close to what could be described as vitriol, i.e. bitterly abusive feeling or expression, unlike, say Booming, who can write something like: “He [Gil] is either trolling or he is a transphobic, homophobic racist,” yet curiously neither you nor your fellow travellers have yet to call out he/her/it for such repeated transgression.

Then there’s this:

Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 11:27am

“I think it is funny that people will actively reconfigure this show when necessary to fit with their own internal message.” — Bert

or

Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 6:17am

“@SlackerInc - Sure man, I told you not to take it personally but you still do. That says more about you than me actually … If you like it, good for you. But if you need to come to places like this to circle jerk about your love what you are really looking for is bias confirmation from others, all strengthening that need to feel it is good.” — Bert

or

Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 2:07pm

“Aside from the ass-kissing to this McFarlane guy, which is rather preposterous, what I am mostly seeing is people defending an episode just because they need to like it. And they come here to meet others with the same need, just echoing each other. It's also called circle jerking or cognitive dissonance.” — Bert

or

Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 1:56am

“@ Dave in MN: Jeez Dave, are you a snowflake?” — Bert

Hear that? That’s my bullshit alarm going off. And those are just four examples of your penchant to police and troll other posters.

Your behaviour, Booming’s, and a few others who don’t immediately come to mind, is (are) so transparent it’s remarkable Jammer hasn’t shut you (all) down already. On any moderated board you (all) would have already been banned for breaking forum rules for repeatedly attacking and disparaging other posters.

As I, and a couple others, have pointed out previously, the only ones habitually derailing the comments in Discovery threads and launching unsupported claims, accusations and libellous remarks at other posters are those, like yourself and your fellow travellers, who (transparently) try to control and police the discourse by attempting to shut down posters who praise a show you seemingly don’t like or attempting to shut down posters who criticize, satirize or parody a show you seemingly do like.
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Gil
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 4:20am (UTC -6)
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@axiom

You mean: until then. And … nope … I didn't call you any names.

More precision, please. But thanks for the effort anyway. It was fun. Stop by again soon.
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Gil
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 3:43am (UTC -6)
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@axiom

Other than the above directed to me, your only other contribution to this site has been to tone troll Trent too:

Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 5:15pm:

“You know, Trent, I have a PhD and teach Debord, and I think you’re really stretching this to a toxic and woefully unsubtle ends.”

I gotta say the whole "PhD and teach Debord" gag had maybe a half-life of about a millisecond, but do get back to me when you've either finished spanking the last of the unruly monkeys here or grown bored of the schoolmarm routine you've adopted for yourself.
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Gil
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 12:46am (UTC -6)
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@Charles J & Daya

"They couldn’t use the transporters because the prison made it impossible to scan for lifesigns. They could beam in, but couldn’t beam out till they had taken Control back over."

There's no such caveat in the script:

@ 26:23
Pike: Scans show no life signs but it is a former prison, so.…
Burnham: So it would have been designed to prevent such scans from working.
Pike: Find a workaround. We need to know what we're walking into.

@36:55
Burnham: Power and life-support are disabled. Everywhere. Except the data centre where Control is located so we'll have to beam over in EV suits.

@38:05
Burnham: Captain, still no life signs and gravity is out.
Pike: Please be careful. Standing by to BEAM YOU OUT.
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Gil
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 9:51pm (UTC -6)
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@Bert, et al

That's odd. Google Maps Notifications is telling me something a whole lot different.

Because the only speed bumps I ever encounter on the Jammer Expressway are these butthurt fanboys who jump into traffic practically every week holding up signs that scream:

(ToT) LEAVE DISCOVERY ALONE!!!

Sure, most of the times you can just swerve around them, but sometimes … well, if the city won't fill the potholes.
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Gil
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 4:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S2: Project Daedalus

Hot Take #2 on "Putting Out Fire [With Gasoline]"

Is nu-Spock's ebony temptress of a sister kicking off a pon farr? It's so Norman.
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Gil
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 2:06pm (UTC -6)
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@Rahul

LOL!

Logical fallacy much?
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Gil
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 1:13pm (UTC -6)
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@Alan Roi*

"Very deep," said Arthur, "you should send that in to the Reader's Digest. They've got a page for people like you."
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