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Re: TNG S2: Manhunt
Just some random responses. Having fun reading through this board:
@ tara -- I sadly concur, but sometimes you have to suspend all intelligence to enjoy a forum, movie, TV show, whatever. That is by no means meant critically (of you or of STNG) -- I find this unavoidably true with a lot of Hollywood today. I am a (real) scientist, so I tend to dissect the science of anything purporting to BE scientific. There are STNG eps that I DETEST because of the bogus science within. The only way to bypass that is simply to disengage and take what entertainment comes my way, even as comedy if I must.
@N - LOVED your May 3 entry. Seriously, can't read that one-liner without audibly cracking up!
Just some random responses. Having fun reading through this board:
@ tara -- I sadly concur, but sometimes you have to suspend all intelligence to enjoy a forum, movie, TV show, whatever. That is by no means meant critically (of you or of STNG) -- I find this unavoidably true with a lot of Hollywood today. I am a (real) scientist, so I tend to dissect the science of anything purporting to BE scientific. There are STNG eps that I DETEST because of the bogus science within. The only way to bypass that is simply to disengage and take what entertainment comes my way, even as comedy if I must.
@N - LOVED your May 3 entry. Seriously, can't read that one-liner without audibly cracking up!
Re: ENT S3: Doctor's Orders
With all the very-justifiable references to The SIxth Sense, and to the VOY episode "One" (which, yes, this was a second-rate ripoff of...) I'm kinda surprised that so many commentaries overlooked another classic sci-fi scene that was spoofed at least twice in this episode....
Take the wormhole on the left back to 1979....
As Phlox is roaming the corridors calling for Porthos, imagine a similar scene on board the USCSS Nostromo. Samuel Brett is similarly skulking through the bowels of a similar ship where most of the crew is nowhere to be found, calling out "Here kitty kitty...." His fate is sealed not by a Vulcan but by a stowaway Alien...you know the rest....
Or perhaps most of you are a touch young to remember that one....
Once again, borrowing plot lines. I tire of this...
With all the very-justifiable references to The SIxth Sense, and to the VOY episode "One" (which, yes, this was a second-rate ripoff of...) I'm kinda surprised that so many commentaries overlooked another classic sci-fi scene that was spoofed at least twice in this episode....
Take the wormhole on the left back to 1979....
As Phlox is roaming the corridors calling for Porthos, imagine a similar scene on board the USCSS Nostromo. Samuel Brett is similarly skulking through the bowels of a similar ship where most of the crew is nowhere to be found, calling out "Here kitty kitty...." His fate is sealed not by a Vulcan but by a stowaway Alien...you know the rest....
Or perhaps most of you are a touch young to remember that one....
Once again, borrowing plot lines. I tire of this...
Re: ENT S3: Anomaly
All these years, and all these comments, and I see that someone called out the re-used Voyager... but no one caught the refitted Dyson Sphere from "Relics" (ST:NG)?
It's a re-used or very ripped off model....
All these years, and all these comments, and I see that someone called out the re-used Voyager... but no one caught the refitted Dyson Sphere from "Relics" (ST:NG)?
It's a re-used or very ripped off model....
Re: ENT S2: Cogenitor
The years-long review / judgment of Tripp and/or the Cogenitor's Rights argument aside, I was turned off by another issue altogether.
This whole tri-sexual argument, together with the "downplay" of the third party (the cogenitor in this case) has already been done before. Once again, Star Trek has used its own legacy to get away with lifting shit out of other TV shows, hijacking it, with almost no real homage to the original.
One need go no further than the "Alien Nation" series of mid-1990s to find this exact concept, even down to the Binnaum (the Tenktonese version of the cogenitor) who was also saddled with what appeared to be an under-educated or under-appreciated image. The only real difference between the cogenitor of ENT vs. the Binnaum of AN fame was that the Binnaum, while relatively "dumb" in appearance (Albert was at a menial job with the police department) was in fact a revered figure in the religious rites of the Tenktonese.
Our Vulcan ambassador buddy, Gary Graham was in fact an alumnus of Alien Nation the Series (not the movie...). Me almost wonders if this story line was affected by his presence in some way....
The years-long review / judgment of Tripp and/or the Cogenitor's Rights argument aside, I was turned off by another issue altogether.
This whole tri-sexual argument, together with the "downplay" of the third party (the cogenitor in this case) has already been done before. Once again, Star Trek has used its own legacy to get away with lifting shit out of other TV shows, hijacking it, with almost no real homage to the original.
One need go no further than the "Alien Nation" series of mid-1990s to find this exact concept, even down to the Binnaum (the Tenktonese version of the cogenitor) who was also saddled with what appeared to be an under-educated or under-appreciated image. The only real difference between the cogenitor of ENT vs. the Binnaum of AN fame was that the Binnaum, while relatively "dumb" in appearance (Albert was at a menial job with the police department) was in fact a revered figure in the religious rites of the Tenktonese.
Our Vulcan ambassador buddy, Gary Graham was in fact an alumnus of Alien Nation the Series (not the movie...). Me almost wonders if this story line was affected by his presence in some way....
Re: ENT S2: The Catwalk
Anyone else think that the alien ship in this one vague resembers a BSG:RDM Cylon Raider? Just a thought.
Anyone else think that the alien ship in this one vague resembers a BSG:RDM Cylon Raider? Just a thought.
Re: ENT S1: Fallen Hero
Review activities aside, this episode had the faint aroma of "Face of the Enemy" and/or "Data's Day" (ST:NG) The whole idea of transporting a ranking officer or dignitary for unknown but semi-nefarious purposes... once again, we play "Spot the Plot Ripoff".... ah, nostalgia....
Review activities aside, this episode had the faint aroma of "Face of the Enemy" and/or "Data's Day" (ST:NG) The whole idea of transporting a ranking officer or dignitary for unknown but semi-nefarious purposes... once again, we play "Spot the Plot Ripoff".... ah, nostalgia....
Re: ENT S1: Silent Enemy
Am I just drinking too much coffee during the yawner episodes, or did the alien ship in this ep look a lot like a redress of the Nausicaan vessel in "Fortunate Son"? I know the Trek series (plural) are notorious for reusing ships (they cost money; I don't blame 'em) but really??
Am I just drinking too much coffee during the yawner episodes, or did the alien ship in this ep look a lot like a redress of the Nausicaan vessel in "Fortunate Son"? I know the Trek series (plural) are notorious for reusing ships (they cost money; I don't blame 'em) but really??
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix
I'd like to extend what I think to be Linda's point a bit and ask... or posit... what if there'd been an epilogue that went something like this....
Janeway, in her ready room.... sitting across from the newly restored Tuvok and Neelix... consterned if not remorseful look on her face.... debriefs the two officers about how unique and powerful they were as a union... Not so much a lecture, but more of a eulogy.... you two could be so great if you combined your strengths and respected each other's idiosyncracies... and tried a little harder to work together for the common good, and quit annoying the shit outta each other (and the viewing audience.)
Had potential.
I'd like to extend what I think to be Linda's point a bit and ask... or posit... what if there'd been an epilogue that went something like this....
Janeway, in her ready room.... sitting across from the newly restored Tuvok and Neelix... consterned if not remorseful look on her face.... debriefs the two officers about how unique and powerful they were as a union... Not so much a lecture, but more of a eulogy.... you two could be so great if you combined your strengths and respected each other's idiosyncracies... and tried a little harder to work together for the common good, and quit annoying the shit outta each other (and the viewing audience.)
Had potential.
Re: TNG S5: Darmok
Frak the ratings (not getting into that) and go beyond the sheer llnguistics for just a moment. Another larger-scale objective of Trek and shows like it, that still falls under the communication aspect, I guess, is UNDERSTANDING. Again, not the sheer linguistic science of it all, but the bigger meaning. I too thought the ep was mediocre until I watched it in light of an educational philosophy that I utilize in a few different media.
At a re-viewing of this episode way way waaaaay after its release in '91, the following two Picard quotes, both after his return from El-Adrel knocked me on my ass.
"The Tamarian was willing to risk all of us, just for the hope of communication. Connection. Now the door is open between our peoples. That commitment meant more to him than his own life. " [Picard]
"But are they truly incomprehensible? In my experience, communication is a matter of patience, imagination. I would like to believe that these are qualities that we have in sufficient measure. " [Picard]
I agree, linguistics is important here, but even the Big E's database couldn't lick: patience or imagination. And Dathon had it right! One of the few ways to get two disagreeing people to talk, even if they speak the same language fluently, is to give them a common foe--in this case, the Beast at Tanagra. Unfortunately, that cost Dathon his life... a noble sacrifice that Picard understood, and that the other Tamarians respected. ("Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel...")
Just saying that I think it goes beyond the tangible side of linguistic. I would toss in there the value of community....
Frak the ratings (not getting into that) and go beyond the sheer llnguistics for just a moment. Another larger-scale objective of Trek and shows like it, that still falls under the communication aspect, I guess, is UNDERSTANDING. Again, not the sheer linguistic science of it all, but the bigger meaning. I too thought the ep was mediocre until I watched it in light of an educational philosophy that I utilize in a few different media.
At a re-viewing of this episode way way waaaaay after its release in '91, the following two Picard quotes, both after his return from El-Adrel knocked me on my ass.
"The Tamarian was willing to risk all of us, just for the hope of communication. Connection. Now the door is open between our peoples. That commitment meant more to him than his own life. " [Picard]
"But are they truly incomprehensible? In my experience, communication is a matter of patience, imagination. I would like to believe that these are qualities that we have in sufficient measure. " [Picard]
I agree, linguistics is important here, but even the Big E's database couldn't lick: patience or imagination. And Dathon had it right! One of the few ways to get two disagreeing people to talk, even if they speak the same language fluently, is to give them a common foe--in this case, the Beast at Tanagra. Unfortunately, that cost Dathon his life... a noble sacrifice that Picard understood, and that the other Tamarians respected. ("Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel...")
Just saying that I think it goes beyond the tangible side of linguistic. I would toss in there the value of community....
Re: VOY S7: Imperfection
I'm with EdmondWherever on this one. I freely agree with the specific comments on here about terminal illness, etc., but I'd also step back a few and totally get on Edmond's bandwagon. My ocular implants were malfunctioning big-time when Icheb was dissing Seven about how she was able and willing to offer help to others but was so stubborn about accepting it herself. That's pride on Seven's part, and in a very bad way, and Icheb owned that scene for that reason. Her avoidance of her colleagues, her refusal of help / treatment, all that. You go, Icheb!
I'm with EdmondWherever on this one. I freely agree with the specific comments on here about terminal illness, etc., but I'd also step back a few and totally get on Edmond's bandwagon. My ocular implants were malfunctioning big-time when Icheb was dissing Seven about how she was able and willing to offer help to others but was so stubborn about accepting it herself. That's pride on Seven's part, and in a very bad way, and Icheb owned that scene for that reason. Her avoidance of her colleagues, her refusal of help / treatment, all that. You go, Icheb!
Re: BSG S2: Final Cut
I'm with Slacker -- surprised no one called out the original theme. That slapped me upside the head purdy good because I absolutely adore McCreary's BSG soundtrack work. I wasn't as moved by the theme within the context of the episode, but when I listen to the music alone (say on CD or online--not as part of the show), well, let's just say those damned onion choppin' ninjas pay me a visit....
I'm with Slacker -- surprised no one called out the original theme. That slapped me upside the head purdy good because I absolutely adore McCreary's BSG soundtrack work. I wasn't as moved by the theme within the context of the episode, but when I listen to the music alone (say on CD or online--not as part of the show), well, let's just say those damned onion choppin' ninjas pay me a visit....
Re: VOY S6: Memorial
Not sure how I felt about this one. Jury is still out.
Can we say, "the Inner Light" recycled, and on bad drugs?
The probe = the memorial
Picard = the Voyager crew
memories of Kataan = memories of the massacre
Too obvious to ignore.
Which brings me to question those of you on this "mind rape" kick with this Memorial thing.... Yes, I can see the point you're making and I would partially agree. And we saw this topic explored in ST:NG eps like "Man of the People", "Violations" and others. But do I hear similar cries of "Rape! Rape!" when we see Picard get nailed by a wayfaring probe in "The Inner Light"?
I didn't think this either. I'm with most Trekkers in that "The Inner Light" is perhaps my favorite STNG ep. But mind rape? The probe and the Memorial do the same thing ... different number of targets ... different kind of memories... both morbid.... (War vs. Environmental Extinction).
We attack one for mind rape. The other one got a Hugo award. Somethin' ain't right....
Not sure how I felt about this one. Jury is still out.
Can we say, "the Inner Light" recycled, and on bad drugs?
The probe = the memorial
Picard = the Voyager crew
memories of Kataan = memories of the massacre
Too obvious to ignore.
Which brings me to question those of you on this "mind rape" kick with this Memorial thing.... Yes, I can see the point you're making and I would partially agree. And we saw this topic explored in ST:NG eps like "Man of the People", "Violations" and others. But do I hear similar cries of "Rape! Rape!" when we see Picard get nailed by a wayfaring probe in "The Inner Light"?
I didn't think this either. I'm with most Trekkers in that "The Inner Light" is perhaps my favorite STNG ep. But mind rape? The probe and the Memorial do the same thing ... different number of targets ... different kind of memories... both morbid.... (War vs. Environmental Extinction).
We attack one for mind rape. The other one got a Hugo award. Somethin' ain't right....
Re: VOY S2: Prototype
I tried perusing the whole six plus years of entries here but I think I saw no mention of how the backstory of these automated units smacked of the Children of Humanity?
I was expecting 3947 to look up at Torres and say "By your command!" DIdn't happen. Oh well.
I tried perusing the whole six plus years of entries here but I think I saw no mention of how the backstory of these automated units smacked of the Children of Humanity?
I was expecting 3947 to look up at Torres and say "By your command!" DIdn't happen. Oh well.
Re: BSG S4: Guess What's Coming to Dinner?
I like the interpretation of "Gaeta's Lament" thru Renegade Six's eyes.... however I ask just out of curiosity... might it also (or instead?) apply to Deanna??
I had the same feelings about what "the shirt of man" was. Either boxed, or rendered human in form, or maybe (a stretch) rendered mortal via Resurrection Ship destruction... Depending on what reference in which ep, you can cherry pick both ideas (and thus either woman) out of it.
I guess all the Cylons relish finding love (or sex, or intimacy, or however it manifests to them). It's part of indulging in their fleshly form (vs. being pure machine a la Caviil's perspective).
Not intended as correction or debate....just curiosity....
I like the interpretation of "Gaeta's Lament" thru Renegade Six's eyes.... however I ask just out of curiosity... might it also (or instead?) apply to Deanna??
I had the same feelings about what "the shirt of man" was. Either boxed, or rendered human in form, or maybe (a stretch) rendered mortal via Resurrection Ship destruction... Depending on what reference in which ep, you can cherry pick both ideas (and thus either woman) out of it.
I guess all the Cylons relish finding love (or sex, or intimacy, or however it manifests to them). It's part of indulging in their fleshly form (vs. being pure machine a la Caviil's perspective).
Not intended as correction or debate....just curiosity....
Re: ENT S1: Detained
This episode among others brings up something I see a lot of us overlook, even forget. Take for example the discussion above on Archer's "non-intervention" policy. Please remember... 1. Federation hasn't been founded yet. 2. The Prime Directive, therefore, doesn't yet exist. You can't compare apples to oranges that literally. There aren't any hard rules on intervention yet....
Otherwise, I expected more out of Stockwell. He worked splendidly with Bakula in QL. What happened here? The potential in Stockwell to be a villainesque sort is clear. WIthin the next couple of years, he'd do a killer job as Cavil on BSG.
This episode among others brings up something I see a lot of us overlook, even forget. Take for example the discussion above on Archer's "non-intervention" policy. Please remember... 1. Federation hasn't been founded yet. 2. The Prime Directive, therefore, doesn't yet exist. You can't compare apples to oranges that literally. There aren't any hard rules on intervention yet....
Otherwise, I expected more out of Stockwell. He worked splendidly with Bakula in QL. What happened here? The potential in Stockwell to be a villainesque sort is clear. WIthin the next couple of years, he'd do a killer job as Cavil on BSG.
Re: ENT S1: Shuttlepod One
Didn't anyone get remotely reminded of TOS:"Galileo Seven"? Not saying it's a carbon copy or a ripoff. But c'mon, not even a dishonorable mention? Especially the explosion vs. Spock's burning the fuel.....
Didn't anyone get remotely reminded of TOS:"Galileo Seven"? Not saying it's a carbon copy or a ripoff. But c'mon, not even a dishonorable mention? Especially the explosion vs. Spock's burning the fuel.....
Re: TNG S2: Q Who
Arguably the funniest episode of TNG I have ever seen. Just plain hilarious, so funny it seemed at times the cast was trying to hold their composure during most of the scenes.
Arguably the funniest episode of TNG I have ever seen. Just plain hilarious, so funny it seemed at times the cast was trying to hold their composure during most of the scenes.
Re: DS9 S6: In the Pale Moonlight
Arguably, Deep Space 9's opus, and while many might see Sisko's anguish on involving The Romulan Empire in the Dominion war as a bit melodramatic, but in truth, what he wound up doing cause a chain of events that would despite the heavy casualty aspect, end a war that would have cost billions and billions and all it took was the murder of one very important Romulan senator. Garak knew that and acted upon it.
Arguably, Deep Space 9's opus, and while many might see Sisko's anguish on involving The Romulan Empire in the Dominion war as a bit melodramatic, but in truth, what he wound up doing cause a chain of events that would despite the heavy casualty aspect, end a war that would have cost billions and billions and all it took was the murder of one very important Romulan senator. Garak knew that and acted upon it.
Re: DS9 S1: Duet
A phenomenal episode, extremely well written and well acted. One of the reasons why Deep Space Nine dusted the other Star Trek series for overall excellence.
A phenomenal episode, extremely well written and well acted. One of the reasons why Deep Space Nine dusted the other Star Trek series for overall excellence.
Re: VOY S3: Distant Origin
I am coming at this episode from a fresh perspective, as i have just viewed it for the very first time. This episode it nearing a "Four" star classic from me, but like one of the commenters mentioned, that the Voth have technology that not even the Borg possess, yet they do not seem like a hostile race of beings. Anyway, the story was extremely well written and perhaps one of the finer moments related to the Voyager series.
I am coming at this episode from a fresh perspective, as i have just viewed it for the very first time. This episode it nearing a "Four" star classic from me, but like one of the commenters mentioned, that the Voth have technology that not even the Borg possess, yet they do not seem like a hostile race of beings. Anyway, the story was extremely well written and perhaps one of the finer moments related to the Voyager series.
Re: VOY S2: Death Wish
Excellent episode, arguably the best Q related episode in the entire Star Trek canon. One that I would consider a 4 star classic.
Excellent episode, arguably the best Q related episode in the entire Star Trek canon. One that I would consider a 4 star classic.
Re: ENT S1: Shadows of P'Jem
A new low for Enterprise in my opinion. This and "Dear Doctor" represent the Enterprise promise. Namely being a huge pile of crap. Our main characters are racist xenophobes with the vulcans in this episode and it's so full of cliches it makes your eyes water. It would get one star from me. And that's being generous. But then, I'm just a viewer with an opinion.
A new low for Enterprise in my opinion. This and "Dear Doctor" represent the Enterprise promise. Namely being a huge pile of crap. Our main characters are racist xenophobes with the vulcans in this episode and it's so full of cliches it makes your eyes water. It would get one star from me. And that's being generous. But then, I'm just a viewer with an opinion.
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