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Tue, May 26, 2020, 11:28am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ James White
One can lament the death of Trek because it was a special thing. It was hopeful and positive and in general tried to appeal to the better parts of our nature. What other sci fi show does that?

And while The Expanse is good. On rewatching it I stopped at some point because it is pretty depressing. What other good sci fi shows are there? MacfarlaneTrek is ok but as one once wrote MacfarlaneTrek is more like your local coverband playing the favorite hits, then really it's own thing.

STP is about Jesus Luc Picard being reborn after saving the galaxy, everybody else is a drunkard and broken, homosexuals are psychos and refugees are a deathly threat, the unknown wants to annihilate us. Oh and let's not forget that the Federation let hundreds of millions die because they could use the resources for something else. Plus classism is back, drugs...
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Tue, May 26, 2020, 2:56am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Sanctuary

The Skreeans are basically religious fanatics and I never understood it as them being actually from Bajor and even if for some reason they were, they wouldn't have a stronger claim to Bajor then the people who came into existence there. It is also debatable that a people can make a claim to land because they lived there once. This is somewhat heightened considering that Israel will annex huge part of the Jordan valley. People in that region all have some ancient claim to the land. Whose claim is legit? The once whose ancestors lived there 200 years ago or the ones who lived there 2000 years ago? In the end it comes down to international recognition. If your peers, other countries, recognize that it is your land, then it is your land.

@Shiva Menon
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Bajor's refusal is itself a very deep commentary on their current psychological state. Apart from their reasonable unwillingness about sharing their land with strangers, it also talks about their deep distrust of aliens who come with promises of help. The Skrreeans however are probably sincere,unlike the Cardassians."

I don't think that is a fair assessment. It is understandable that a planet that just went through a devastating occupation which left most of their arable poisoned, a civil war, a planet who has a hard time feeding or provide medical care for it's own people and keep civil order, is unwilling to accept millions of refugees. Especially considering that there are far more accommodating alternatives for the Skreeans where the Federation would help them to start their colony. What if the Skreeans cannot make their part of Bajor flourish and starve? What if they react badly to environment? What if they get Corona?! :)

There is no rational argument for settling the Skreeans on Bajor.
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 12:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ Andy's friend
full disclosure: I got this on amazon prime. So technically I only payed in time (I did buy the second season of Orville which is now free... well).

Why did I watch the entire season of Picard. I heard a little about it beforehand, that it would be a thoughtful character study of an aging Picard (They actually said that). I almost immediately realized (I think after episode 1) that this won't happen. Everything after that was basically bystander effect. I just could not look away. In hindsight I must admit that I liked season 2 of discovery better than STP.
And when people say that they think that it is Trek and really like it then... I guess I can accept that there are people who like it. There are people who like Ultimate fighting. I think it is a mediocre show and a terrible Trek show. It destroys Trek.
Let me predict one thing. When this CBS Trek show wave is over then that will be it.
The old Trekkies will slowly die off and there won't be new Trekkies. We are like scientology. We had 3 good decades and then the science fiction writer at the core of it all died. Then lesser minds took over.

Is it because of the times that NuTrek is the way it is. Maybe, in the 90s you didn't have many options so a show could find it's message but now it has to work immediately because there are always other shows. The netflix ceo said that they don't produce shows for 7 or more seasons anymore but for 2-3 and then move on.

But as some pointed out. In the end it's just a show(s). If there is a (marketable) desire in humans for exploration and positivity then we will get that.
Or maybe the USA are no longer capable of creating positive myth or universes about the future.
Maybe we should learn mandarin. :)
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Mon, May 25, 2020, 8:35am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Eamon
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So, if we’re using young people as a metric whose young people count more?"
Uh uh uh I can answer that.
Neither :)
(Ok, if one of you is the Pew Research Center and has representative group of young people then I eat MY imaginary hat)
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Sun, May 24, 2020, 8:40am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

If I would speculate I would say that they knocked on Chabon's door. He opened, they said:"Here, have this big sack of money." "For what?!" He asked, still confused from his morning Absinth. "Well, for writing Star Trek, you love Star Trek, don't ya?!" "Sure, can I do what I want?" "Absolutely, just sign here." They said suppressing a chuckle. Before entering the helicopter they turned around and shouted:"Oh one thing. There will be a few people giving minor input every now and then." and Chabon waved and went back to his absinth room also called the green room. (That is were he got the synth idea (absinth...synth))

And after a marvelous year writing Star Trek Chabon decided, that this was so wonderful that he didn't want to continue working for them because nobody could top that season.

So the producers asked themselves:" Does Stephen King still have a drug problem?" Stay tuned for season 2.

Or the less prosaic explanation. He wanted lots of money, they had lots of money; they wanted a big name writer, he had a big name. He thought it will be just one year then everybody and him would forget, they thought we start with a big name and after that get a few writers who work for scale.
Everybody wins.
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Sat, May 23, 2020, 7:41am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Eamon
To all your questions: Yes. :)

To quote Rich Evans: "If Patrick Stewart wants to dance around in an alien bar with a silly accent and an eyepatch then we write that in."
That should answer all the other questions that might arise.
And in a way STP is a character study of an old famous man dealing with decline, sadly not of Picard but of Patrick Stewart. Silly accents, doomsday and Jesus metaphors. hallelujah
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Fri, May 22, 2020, 10:00am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Mertov
Yeah hate, that is a pretty intense emotion. Do people actually hate NuTrek? I dislike it but I certainly don't hate it. Why would somebody hate a show or movie. The last media product I hated was american sniper (I even avoid Bradley Cooper movies since then) because that movie is insultingly horrible propaganda but apart from that. No.
When it comes to NuTrek I'm pretty much through the stages of grief and have now reached acceptance. NuTrek is what it is and it is not for me. Would have been nice to see a modernized version of Star Trek but it was not to be.

@Mike
About your trainwreck comment. Is it a trainwreck? Sure for most Trekkies it is but considering how CBS is pumping out show after show I guess that Star Trek is the only thing that brings subscribers. Considering that we got three seasons of this and that season 3 of Discovery looks like more of the same, it seems reasonable to assume that this is what CBS wanted.

But to provide a little glimmer of hope for us TrekDinos. If the shows were a good way of getting people in, but then couldn't give new customers a valid reason to stay then maybe, maybe at some point they will actually try something trekky. Just to see if that has more longevity.
Maybe.
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Fri, May 22, 2020, 2:03am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ Mertov
Welcome to the desert of the real. Have you never seen a tabloid? These vids are just the youtube version of that. Why do you think that tabloids are always full with stories about foreign looking males doing something illegal? The same reason that midnight edge or whatever only do negative stuff about Discovery and STP, because people don't go there for information but to have their prejudice justified aka confirmation bias. I don't like Discovery and I really dislike STP but I have never watched any of those vids, maybe you should do the same.

@Mike
". I think around the time of DS9, they realized that classic TOS and TNG didn't have ideals which were very different from that of the naval explorers, scientists and knowledge seekers throughout history." and "The whole franchise depends on NOT getting answers to anything, otherwise it wouldn't be able to keep going."
Star Trek was about diplomacy, as well. Going to a planet, trying to understand and then deal with the inhabitants. Could you elaborate what you mean with NOT getting answers? I really don't know what you mean to say? Why seek and do not find? They found lots of beings in Star Trek?!
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Thu, May 21, 2020, 10:09am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

compared to Community (another Dan Harmon show)
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Thu, May 21, 2020, 9:46am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

@ Omicron
The writers obviously have a very low opinion of humanity, they are part of humanity. From that I would assume that they sit in their huge mansions, drink expensive something and sulk about how shitty humanity is. To quote Flanders parents:"We have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas." rich leftists, that's like fascist humanitarians.

@William
Do you know what I hate most about American shows? That they have to go on forever. If a show is good then you know that it will run until even the last fan hates it. Fleabag is a British show. Two seasons and they were done. I felt so fulfilled at the end knowing that this nice experience would stay wonderful and not be tainted by slowly and later rapidly dipping quality. The good place was lucky enough to be so unusual that not enough people wanted to see it (and the third season was all over the place). I was really relieved when I heard that they would only get a last, fourth season.

Rick and Morty is the bloodless version of Community which is a brilliant show. Far to sophisticated for most people. The first two seasons are almost perfect, the third is shaky (sometimes good, sometimes terrible), the fourth was done by different people and shall not be spoken of, five shaky (under Harmon) and the sixth is pretty good.
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Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:10am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

I don't think that Rick and Morty, which I find ok, or BoJoack are the way they are because of attention span. I think they are about navel gazing and despair which is rampant in the USA right now. The US Empire is falling apart and nobody knows how to stop that. The answer is the same for every empire since Sumeria and none of them had the guts to choose the obvious solution and escape their downfall. The Chinese do this downfall - new imperial phase circle for more than 2000 years now. I'm not sure if the US has enough internal cohesion to go full circle, though aka fall apart and reunite. BUT I digress, you should try the good place. It is about bettering yourself and the discussion of philosophy. It is kind of incredible that this show exists. I really liked fleabag (season 1 is very good, season 2 is perfect) but it is probably not for you.
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Thu, May 21, 2020, 2:08am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

@Elliot
I really liked DS9, it had some of the worst episodes, especially the "Let's gas the planet" thing, but I liked it that they tried something new. They stretched it to the limit but it was mostly still in the realm of Star Trek. But I get your critique, the war arc and the pah wraith stories were too dark and simplistic especially towards the end. NuTrek on the other hand kind of destroys Star Trek, STP more than Discovery. Discovery existed in the realm of Star Trek, shallow and stupid for the most part yes but they had a few trekish characters like Saru or Pike and if you can ignore the federation trying to blow up Kronos then you can say:" Ok, it is a part of Trek that we can ignore." STP is worse in every way. Picard is Jesus, the rest are mass murderers, psychos and drunkards. Plus it tells us how the story continues. The Federation after DS9 became xenophobic and generally more like an shitty hypocritical empire that could exist today. So it is not about a few characters being nonTrek but all of it. These self hating cynics have stabbed Star Trek in the chest.

About Bojack. I never saw the appeal. I watched it for quite a while but when Bojacks co star died (season 2 or 3, I think) it was enough for me. There is only so much sympathy I have and I will certainly not waste it on rich people suffering from a lack of meaning in life. That is maybe the most self inflicted problem there is.
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Wed, May 20, 2020, 3:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Yeah many people liked the Plinkett reviews but I never cared for them. To violent and... no. The half in the bag episodes are more to my liking. The review episodes about STP are also good.
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Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

I concur.
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Wed, May 20, 2020, 1:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

@Omicron
I don't know if you have seen the new RedLetterMedia video about STP. it includes a Sisko speech:"It is the unknown that defines our existence. We are constantly searching, not just for answers to our questions but for new questions. We are explorers. We explore our lives, day by day and we explore the galaxy, trying to expand the boundaries of our knowledge and that is why I'm here. Not to conquer you with weapons or with ideas but to coexist and learn."
I think that is a wonderful sentiment.
Either we as a species get to a mindset like this or we will perish.
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Wed, May 20, 2020, 1:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

Cody, let me put it like this:"You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting."
https://giphy.com/gifs/goodbye-x-men-79ZFYdMsStRYI
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Wed, May 20, 2020, 11:29am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

And even though all these shows are depressingly nihilistic, they still had some glimmers of hope, like Peggy, and levity every now and then. He just had a foot in the door.

Todays shows are all such nightmares. Not only NuStar Trek but most of the stuff. NuTrek is the worst offender because it brings all the bad together in a hopeless avalanche of nothingness but look at Westworld, Mr. Robot, Fargo, Game of Thrones, The Americans, BoJack Horseman and so many more. When I watch these I just want to kill myself. People slowly tumbling towards their downfall. No hope, no meaning. It's like the USA has depression.

The only shows that I really enjoyed were the good place (kind of like Star Trek used to be) and fleabag, maybe the marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Everything else makes me reach for the rum bottle.
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Tue, May 19, 2020, 6:53am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

94 min is absolutely necessary because this isn't just about Picard, it's Mike Soklosa finally coming to terms with Star Trek being dead. Rich has given up on it for a long time but Mike still had hope.
It was probably the most important tv/movie universe in his life and seeing it becoming this ... thing. I'm actually surprised that it is only 94 min.
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Tue, May 19, 2020, 3:36am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

Ok I'll throw in my view.
I don't think that the universe wants to kill us or cares for us personally. I think that the universe is an energy pattern and we as Humans are part of that pattern, when we come into our current form, we for a while become this form of pattern and when happens what we call death then we change back to the energy pattern that we were before. In other words, it's all just shifts of energy patterns.
In a billion years when Humanity will be long gone, the universe will still be what it is today. An always changing energy pattern.
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Tue, May 19, 2020, 2:39am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

"The Plinkett Picard review is up."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tYPzSGVHOc

Man, watching all this stupid nonsense again, I mega cringe all the time.
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Mon, May 18, 2020, 4:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Omicron
You have forgotten the obviously best show called strangest new worlds. Ok so listen, Picard is Captain but Kirk is also Captain, because of the bad stuff that always happens, Starfleet instituted collegiality and Kirk and Picard change command every month. Spock is first officer for Picard, Riker is also first officer but for Kirk. Basically it's two people for everything and because the enterprise was thrown into the future, Starfleet thought that it would be good to combine the two crews. Everybody is back, the old crew and new crew. It will be totally familiar and absolutely new.

And they fight against the Borg, commanded by clone Locutus but the Borg are actually running from an even bigger threat. A species that conquers universe after universe. One of their ships can destroy all the fleets in our galaxy. They are more powerful than a thousand Q's!!!
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Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ SlackerInc
I watched the first and a half episodes of upload and I find it a little meh. It's like schmalzy boring black mirror with supermodels. The leads are pretty bland, don't you think?
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Mon, May 18, 2020, 10:17am (UTC -5)
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@ Cody
I don't know what study you are referring to. I guess you mean a UCLA summary report?
"That study is not a accurate reflection of current times."
It is 18-59. And there is also this number: "57,000 youth (ages 13-17) across all states will receive conversion therapy from religious or spiritual advisors before they reach the age of 18." The important word here is: will, oh and maybe religious. But hey 60.000 tortured kids don't bother you.

" Also what you and the study refer to as “conversion therapy” are considered a number of different things. As little as speaking to a licensed therapist that was not officiated with Christianity."
I don't know from which part of the study that is and what do you mean with not officiated with Christianity?? Like a christian therapist? And a professional telling you that all your sexual desires and feelings are wrong and that you can be not gay/trans if you really want to, what damage could that make, especially considering that studies have shown again and again that you cannot change your sexuality and why do you think somebody would want to change their sexuality and why always from gay to non gay but never the other way around. Yeah, it's a mystery... Plus, this would be the best case scenario. Far more likely are parents and ministers shouting at you in a basement somewhere for weeks, month, maybe years.

"but if speaking to a therapist about your sexuality is the most difficult thing someone has gone through in life I would call them lucky."
Framing it like this is a very shitty thing to do. Like the people who say that slavery wasn't so bad. The Negros had their chickens and were singing nice ethnic songs and picking cotton.
Yearlong mental torture often done by the people who should have protected you. No biggie.

"Now if you go by the YouGov poll which shows only 8% of Americans think “conversion therapy” can have any effect, yet 65% of America identifies as Christian, you get a more accurate picture of NOW. "
ok 8% using your numbers that means more than 26 million people are pro conversion out of 213 million Christians. In other words 12% of Christians in the US believe in conversion therapy or let's call it what it is, horrible mental (and often also physical) torture that leads to extremely high suicide rates. But hey no biggie.

" The actions they take as individuals reflect upon them not a entire religion."
If the holy books these religions consider the word of god are openly homophobic then these religions are responsible and not the individual.

Let me end this with one quote from a vid I saw yesterday: "You are so far away from the truth that if somebody would drop an H bomb on the truth you wouldn't even get radiation burns."

And because you think I hate Christianity. That is not true. I think the Lutherans are ok(In Germany we just call them protestants).
- Women are equal
- LGBT is accepted
- loving attitude towards non-believers
If a religion follows these three things it's fine with me.

Bon voyage, dear Cody. My workload has tripled during the last week and I don't have the time anymore to unravel your... creations.

@Omicron

"No, not all monotheists believe that."
hmm really? I guess not all. :) But a religion without rules is no religion at all. That sounds more like personal spirituality.

Sorry Cody really exhausted me.
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Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:53am (UTC -5)
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@Mike
"Scientists with enough humility and understanding of their field will always acknowledge that it (and science as a whole) has limitations - "
No disagreement there.

"Could the human body, its senses and functioning, be unaware of something right in front of it, just as an ant is completely oblivious to my existence?"
We are not ants, of course, but all the monotheists and, I suppose, the polytheists, too believe that god or gods have made direct contact and even beamed down or up rules everybody should follow. Moses, Mohamed, Jesus and all the others. I have no problem with a god that just does his/her/it's thing without me noticing, while I search for sugar. Sadly that is not the case. I'm living 200km away from Poland where the catholic bishops harass LGBT people and call them horrible things. And I hate them for it.
These people are darkness.

"And considering the harm religion has done over the years, almost anywhere is better."
Hear hear!

@Cody
"Many times it’s the exact opposite. Kids from religious families try to rebel against religion."
That really depends on your definition of many. For the vast majority it is not true.

" Christianity is about knowing you are imperfect and forgiving imperfections in others."
For you maybe but for many people in many countries it is about intolerance and harassment of others. For example, in your enlightened country 700.000 people were forced into "conversion therapy" and after having experienced the loving hand of Christianity in that have an extremely high suicide risk compared to other LGBT people (9x higher). Deus Lo Vult.
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Sun, May 17, 2020, 3:06am (UTC -5)
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@ Cody
I'm not a huge fan of Shermer because I have read stuff from him and he is a little scatterbrainy and less scientist and more public educator. He is also anti religion.

I have tried to explain to you why the study that guy from North Dakota State made is not a good study, which you ignored. I also pointed out the severe problems with the first "study", which you also ignored. Then I said that the third article didn't provide any new information because it is actually talking about the results of the second link you provided. Again ignored.

Then you give three new links (one of them is a dead link), The third is about a book of somebody who looked into ET fans and the second is from "open the word - a bit of bible, a bit of life, a bit of politics." and really doesn't give any useful information.

"I provided enough proof that there is something to what I originally said, evidence of believing in aliens being a surrogate religion, and that’s good enough for me."
It is not proof by any measure but it is obviously good enough for you. I would need 20 pages to explain the endless amount of reasons why this is a tough thing to proof.

You want to believe that everybody is actually religious, even the agnostics and atheists and that it would be better for them to choose the original (religion) then believe in a surrogate aka aliens. I guess you have some doubts about your own beliefs and try to silence them.

@Mike
" don't want to bring up philosophy since I know you're not a fan, but Plato's cave allegory is pretty useful here."
I'm a little douchy when it comes to the field's future, That is just my inner asshole talking. Plato's cave allegory is a very apt observation. In more scientific ways it is still a question pondered:"How can we study society when we are part of society." To apply it here. If you tell people there is god then they will believe it. If your parents tell you or people of respect in your community then you will believe them because not to would be disrespectful. So the cave could be the religious community one lives in.

But to your example. You basically say, if I understand correctly, that we cannot measure god because we do not know god. The problem here is that we don't even know that god exists. That is not like in physics where they know that some particle or dark matter (or something with the effect) has to exist and then look for and find these things ,as it has happened now with the help of Cern. No. We have no rational reason to believe that a monotheistic or polytheistic god(s) exists. The Christian god is as real as Scientology's Xenu. In other words god is not a missing part like the Higgs-Boson, and if god does not exist then it cannot be found.

"to anything I would think of as God."
Q is somewhat like maybe a greek god or the old testament Christian version. Less like the more aloof form of the new testament, I think. Not that I know much of the bible.
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