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Kyle
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 8:47am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: 11:59

I was hoping the episode would make some reference to the Eugenics Wars, which happened in the mid 90s, and earth should have been recovering from, and isn,t the World War 3 nearly upon us? Or was it in the 21st century? And the reference first contact by the Vulcans, was this before the movie? It would have been nice to build on canon instead of potentially violating it as Voyager and Enterprise are won’t to do.

On another note, see The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh paperback triology for an interesting take on The Eugenics Wars and 90s issues, like nuclear testing and global warming and terrorism. It also has Gary 7, nicely conflates Trek and our past.

By the way, I know it’s an old comment from a few years back but any website they calls itself Skeptical Science is probably anything but, science is by definition skeptical and shouldn’t have to go out of its way to proclaim that. It is trying to use science to justify politics and corporate goals that are not supported by a majority of scientific opinion, as well as our own eyes and common sense. In the last ten years beaches in California and Hawaii shrink or disappear, fire season lasts all year and gets more intense as whole towns burn every year now, and hurricanes now threaten Ireland and New York City.
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IoInfuriato
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 7:32am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: The Communicator

Ah, and I forgot, why the 'doctor' tells Trip, his hand will "rematerialize" itself????????? It's a cloak, not a "dematerializer"................................
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IoInfuriato
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 7:26am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: The Communicator

Yet another TV show with the cartoon Soviet military dudes (yeah, take a look on the very least the uniforms, they better had said they were space Soviets from the 50's). Then the "I can't believe I'm dying protecting this people" crap? How were they protecting them???? By retrieving some 'advanced' walkie-talkie? Just idiotic.
Yeah, we're not aliens, we're genetically engineered soldiers from your enemy (wink, wink, the space USA), and we have particle weapons and stealth ships. How can that "protect" them??? The writers for sure were procrastinating until deadline was very close.
Yet, still better than STD...
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Top Hat
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:42am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S4: Suddenly Human

He was later on Dr. Quinn: Medicine Woman and still late came out of the closet. Apparently was acting in Christian films at the time and got turfed for being gay. Sad story.
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Nolan
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:06am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S4: Fourth Season Recap

@Jason

Thanks! Those are all really good episode choices, the best of the best of each of the series you picked for. "Devil in the Dark" is a good choice for TOS, (and a really good lesson for a girl her age to see) though I'm almost inclined to start her Trek journey off with "The Corbomite Maneuver".

As for TNG, while picking the best eps might be a good idea, I dunno if they showcase quintessential TNG. Who the characters are, the stuff they'd face week to week, that sorta thing.

I was about her age when I got into TNG, znd Trek in general, but I can't for the life remember what my first ep was, since I caught it on weekend-long marathons on the old "The New TNN" before it became Spike. If I had to guess it was maybe "Phantasms "or "Emergence"... both out there episodes that might spark the imagination. In a similar vein "Disaster" might be a good one to start her on since it showcases all the characters... but I dunno, this series is hard cause there's so much choice and varied stories.

DS9 maybe "Babel", "Visionary" or "Civil Defense". (I'd go with the pilot, but that's got a ton of TNG baggage/backstory/spoilers to just jump in with) I'd probably tell her to hold off on DS9 for serious binging for a couple years anyway.

I suspect Voyager she may identify with the most. And being 12 years old, Seven and the Doctor would be characters she'd likely relate to... "Phage", maybe, or "Macrocosm" perhaps. "Dragon's Teeth", "Tsukatse" or "Blink of an Eye" might be good too.

Enterprise... eh, "Broken Bow"? I might've said "Vox Sola", but the goo creature might be a bit much. Maaaaybe "Cogenitor"?

Interestingly, I was curious and after convincing my friend (who I see more often than I get to see my cousin) to actually watch Trek, I started him on a chronological (curated) watch through. Starting at Broken Bow. He's enjoying it for the most part. But he doesn't have the compentcy of the prior casts or the feeling of rehashing certain beats and themes to contwnd with either. It'll be interesting to see what happens as we move into the older shows though...

I'm willing to potentially burn his view of Trek, but I don't want to risk that happening to my cousin, hence my overthinking the chance of Trek's first impression. It's surprising how daunting a prospect it is, introducing this huge franchise to someone.
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IoInfuriato
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 2:40am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: Minefield

1.- You have a mine which was fabricated by a totally unknown alien race. Yeah, just scan it with your tablet and there you go! Anyone can disarm it!
2.- Romulans are supposed to be essentially Vulcans. During most of the 1st. and 2nd. seasons, they refer the omnipresent "Vulcan database" at all times. But now "the computer have difficulties translating Romulan"? They can totally translate unknown languages, but one related to another that is known, no way, it needs Hoshi to out of the thin air miraculously translates it. [By the way, it's ridiculous that she said "Romulins", when the word is "Rihannsu", how in the hell it can go from "Romulan" to "Romulin" with that? At that point it was her choice to translate it as she wanted to...]
3.- I don't know if it could be out of character, but Romulans would had shot first and asked later. Of course the show-runners wanted to show-off their new BoP design, but it was unnecessary, an automated message could've been enough.
4.- Why the captain was in a dangerous situation disarming the mine? Wasn't it wiser to have on the ship more than one dude who happens to know how to disarm ANY [laughable...] alien mine they can find? Yeah, disarming mines isn't a risk profession, so there's only one out there because nothing can happen to him/her...
5.- Everything happens veeeery sloooow. Romulans threaten to attack if they don't leave "immediately", but close to the end, it takes like 10 minutes until they finally decide what to do, with the miraculous panels and all. Romulans said it doesn't matter if you leave one dude behind, because they're gonna pulverize the ship. Nah, they changed their mind, they'll give them enough time, our threats are void as Romulans, we don't want respect...
6.- The Romulans were there, watching how an alien ship navigated through their cloaked minefield, after deploying some kind of scanner. Hmmmm, they can detect our cloaked mines!!! Fire at will!!! Nah, let them go with our little secret... I thought Romulans were very zealous with their cloaking technology... No matter how outdated it is...
7.- No matter how bad this show is, at least it's not STD...
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Ari Paul
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 11:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S4: Suddenly Human

the kid is a terrible actor.
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Fenn
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 9:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Skin of Evil

Armus has the demeanour and behaviour of a cartoon villain, and could be hilarious if the script didn't insist on attempting to treat him seriously. And making him responsible for the death of a major character. Which is a hell of an anticlimactic exit for her, I gotta say -- having a random out-of-nowhere death actually works for the character, I feel, but for heaven's sake, Armus is basically a comedy caricature.

Tasha's pre-recorded monologue is basically the best material she's been given. It suggests more of a character and more of a dynamic with the rest of the crew than Season 1 ever shows us. Real shame.
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Chrome
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 12:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

I really get a good chuckle out of reading plot hole being used as shorthand for "I didn't like it" or "I would've written it differently". Guinan not describing the Borg in detail isn't a plot hole. It's not even clear what she knows except that the Borg are conquerors (and we don't even know that at this point in the series). Telling him to leave now or face terrible consequences is about all that needs to be said.
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Andy's Friend
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 12:17pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

You're quite right, Jason, but let's not split hairs: you remember the episode as well as I do, and what matters is not the above, but *how* Picard delivers this line:

PICARD: Absolutely. That's why we are out here.

That is what causes Q's response: Picard's nonchalant 'absolute' certainty. For it is (to be blunt) sheer nonsense: Starfleet could of course never be 'ready to encounter' all things, and Picard should have known this. So in the end, while I appreciate the difference between being 'prepared' and being 'ready' that you mention, it is largely academic, and beside the point. Other than that, you are obviously right.
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Jason R.
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 11:44am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

"Take for example Picard's initial assertion that Starfleet is prepared for whatever is out there. This is admittedly out of character for Picard and outright silly."

You are misquoting Picard.

What he says is:

"How can we be prepared for that which we do not know? But I do know we are ready to encounter it."

Picard never claimed to be *prepared*; he claimed they were *ready*.

In this context, giving Picard the full benefit of the doubt, I'd say that readiness suggests that whatever the dangers, mankind belongs out there, that the project of exploration is worthy and wise. It is a rebuke of Q's original assertion from EAF that mankind had gone too far and should retreat.

It is not an assertion of infallibility or a denial of certain risk, but simply the claim that exploration, whatever its risk, is worthwhile.

The encounter with the Borg in Q Who us the first time that assertion of readiness ever came into real question, possibly in the entire Trek canon. The Borg can't be reasoned with and they can't be tricked or defeated through conventional means. They cannot be overcome by the usual magical plot contrivances of a 45 minute episode. They are utterly implacable .

As I see it, until Q Who mankind was the Mary Sue of the galaxy even when encountering seemingly superior beings (like Q). Q Who was the first splash of cold water on that notion.

Until, sigh, Voyager.......
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Andy's Friend
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 11:33am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

@George Monet

You have to look at it from the perspective of classic storytelling, and forget about such silly modern notions as 'plot holes'.

Take for example Picard's initial assertion that Starfleet is prepared for whatever is out there. This is admittedly out of character for Picard and outright silly. But it is nothing but an instance of Classical hamartia, the hero's 'tragic flaw', moving the plot forward and leading to catharsis as he is humbled by Q and learns his lesson: "I need you!"

We know Picard to be better than this. And therein lies the greatness of this episode. Facing Q and letting his animosity toward that entity get the better of him, Picard, our hero, errs. And it costs him eighteen of his crew to learn that. In other words, his over-confident initial stance is not a 'plot hole', it is a time-honoured plot device.

Star Trek is rife with such classic storytelling devices, which we must know to recognise in order to fully appreciate many of the stories told. Star Trek, more often than not, is not about 'realism': it is about archetypes, classic tropes, and ancient lessons. This was understood thirty years ago when this episode aired. The problem is that viewers these days have an exaggerated appetite for realism, all while they seem to have forgotten all about classic dramaturgy and apparently only know how to shout 'plot hole!'
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Jason R.
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 8:56am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

George my hypothesis is that in an initial encounter the Borg do not bother making a full defence. Their priority is to assess the potential of the other ship, not to destroy it. In effect, they just stand there and let the other ship do its worst. If that results in the destruction of a cube, that's an acceptable outcome for them - lesson learned. For them a single ship is expendable.

As for beaming over bombs to the borg ship - has a Federation captain ever done such a thing in a first contact scenario? Not exactly the Trek ethos...

Regarding Guinan, her failure to provide a more urgent warning is strange. The best explanation I can come up with is much like my original point - once they were there, they needed to learn their lesson. That wouldn't happen if they were convinced to hightail it and run at the outset.
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George Monet
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 2:00am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Q Who

I want to like this episode because it is a lot of fun but the constant plot holes keeping throwing me out. Such as Guinan telling Picard he should leave the space without warning Picard about the Borg specifically. Or Picard's blase response to the threat the Borg pose to the ship. They had a perfect chance to blowup the Borg cube and pick over the pieces and instead they shoot the ship a couple of times (despite having already seen that the Borg had the ability to perfectly adapt to the Federation's phasers) and then decide to hang around and let the Borg repair the ship. This also makes one wonder just how weak the Borg cube is without its shielding as three phaser hits destroy 20% of the Borg cube whereas the Enterprise has been hit by more and only taken minor structural damage.

Nothing anyone does in this episode actually makes any sense. Picard sees that the Borg are apparently technologically superior but also apparently inferior in materials and tactics. Deanna says there is a communal mind but never mentions how that is a weakness they could take advantage of by creating dissent within the collective mind or making use of group think that would prevent the Borg from considering alternatives. The lack of shielding on the Borg cube before they had scanned the Enterprise or learned of its defensive capabilities was a grave tactical error which calls the threat of the Borg into question. Suppose Q had sent over Klingons or Romulans instead. They would have immediately destroyed the Cube while its shields were down and then taken home the technology to study as a prize. Or what if Picard had ordered the away team to place a bomb inside the cube as a backup plan in case the Borg cube wasn't actually disabled. Instead the Borg leave themselves completely vulnerable and only survive destruction because Picard makes just as many grievous tactical errors as the Borg.
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Booming
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:28am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

@P'kard
They still lost their homes. The colonists maybe 50, maybe 50000 are civilians not a military target. Even today that would be considered a war crime.
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Rogu Smith
Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 12:36am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: The Pegasus

This would be a great episode if not for one inconvenient fact:

Admiral Pressman did nothing wrong.
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Andy G
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 10:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: All Good Things...

I just rewatched this episode and even after 25 years it holds up remarkably well. How it came together sandwiched between a mediocre season and movie, we'll never know. A classic.
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Slav
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 10:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S3: E2

One of my least favorite episodes so far. The pace finally picked up and then squash. A predictable slog that does what a lot of episodes have already done not as well.

What if Malcom found out not that he never met someone but that he paired up with a man? There's an episode I'd like to see.
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Rakal
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 7:25pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

I'm inclined to think that nobody was killed because even Eddington does not accuse Sisko of causing any deaths.
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P'kard
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 6:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

Starfleet has been shown to overlook certain actions if the ends justify the means. Saying Sisko used a "wmd" is perhaps a bit hyperbolic . He simply made a planet uninhabitable for Humans and gave them plenty of warning. A colony can't have that many people right? A couple of decent sized transports could easily get everyone safely off the planet. Yes, they did wait til the last minute to scramble their ships but it still seems like no one was hurt or killed by Siskos or Eddingtons actions.
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nickf
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 5:54pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

So I'm late to the party here, and I've just started watching Discovery, but damn it's hard to enjoy this show. Tedious, baroque Klingons and absurd space fungi aside, where's the humor in this show? The light touch? The optimism? Are there any likeable, interesting characters?
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Top Hat
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 4:44pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: The Survivors

Or to pun terribly, they didn’t want to play the Q card too often.
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Jamie Mann
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 2:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S1: Dramatis Personae

Not a bad episode in some ways, but inherently limited by the fact that it's a "reset" episode, where all the events and character interactions are wiped away at the end of the episode.

A throwaway episode that's not really worth rewatching.
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Jamie Mann
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 1:50pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S1: Progress

There's a few issues with this episode, not least that Star Trek had done this setup a few times before, not least when Data had to deal with recaltriant colonists in The Ensigns of Command.

Another issue is the fact that the premise doesn't make any sense. As other people have said, the idea of destroying a colonisable moon to generate a tiny amount of energy is ludicrous, especially when the Federation must have so many other ways of generating energy.

But perhaps the worst problem is that the colonists in this episode are cliched stereotypes. They're little more than retired American Gothic pioneers, telling tall tales and being entertaingly grumpy in a homespun and rustic way.

Cliche upon cliche piles on with Kira electing to perform a short-lived rebellion, and the episode doesn't spring any surprises or do anything interesting with the base premise, nor does it attempt to explore the ethics of balancing the needs of the many against the few.

Not one that's really worth watching more than once!
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Ian
Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 1:36pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Someone to Watch Over Me

Romantic comedy is so hard to do right, so everyone involved in this episode deserves extra plaudits for pulling it off so well. Most Trek stabs at romance fall flat, but DS9's "His Way" and this exploration of unrequited love by way of Pygmalion are quite special to this day.
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