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CaptainMercer
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 8:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

Haveena: "We will rise, one small victory at a time."
Kelly: "I believe you will."
Man.. makes me miss the 90s when STAR TREK would end many episodes with the encouraging lines like "I believe you will"
Thank you for bringing Star Trek back, Seth
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M
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 8:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Resolutions

The chemistry between Mulgrew & Beltran was just awful. It’s hard to work with a script that isn’t so great, especially if one of the actors doesn’t seem all that interested in working with the other.
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Robbie
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 6:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Loss

Another poor Troi-centric episode. She comes across as petty, full of self pity, and bitchy after losing her powers. It makes a mockery of any advice she could possibly give about facing adversity with grace and courage, qualities lack in her.
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Booming
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 4:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow

Ok, the hair. I can picture it, Grayson actor saying:" Give me your best elvish wig." then the make up artist asks:"and what make up style?" and she replies:"girlish glow."
Also is Grayson reaaaaally thin?! There is a thigh gap and then there is this? Unhealty

This has an interesting idea in it. NuGrayson and to deal with parents/friends and all but shies away from that completely for the most boring love story since Picard and Insurrection Lady.

Then there is the conflict between old and nu but NuKelly is so different from realGrayson that I have a hard time buying her being the former self bubbly airhead. Also NuGrayson is kind of a jerk. Solid acting, though.

Were they planning on letting her live on the ship? Are they taking her anywhere? I forgot if the episode mentioned what mission they are on?

Lots of awkward dancing...

My favorite scene. Women talk scene. The scene itself was good, very trekkish (positive and encouraging) but the short quite moment at the end stood out. It made me think of NuTrek immediately, how everything is graaaaaaaand and exhausting there.

The officers sitting on the bridge in their bathrobes was a bit too silly. This is not a pleasure cruise. I can already picture MacMercer stumbling over his robe during a Kaylon attack

The whole Kaylon nearby scene made zero sense. THERE IS NO SOUND IN SPACE! Ok a nitpick still...

Biggest laugh: "Isaac, are you sure this will work?" "Not at all doctor." *chuckling* what a dick. :D

The reset button at the end glitched out? Is the past changed? Will these questions be answered?! Is hell watching a presidential debate??! Is a presidential debate part of the reality of hell?!!
Questions

Well...a very mediocre episode. Sadly. An interesting idea but the episode doesn't do much with it but goes for unrealistically dumb. A missed opportunity. Oh and what is up with the Kaylon?? Are they just flying around killing people??
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CaptainMercer
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 2:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

I love it how it is.
like 90s Trek it is lightly serialized, but also episodic. It's like watching "new reruns" of a favorite show, and the freshness comes from the new crew and the little details. But the old formulas (cultural contamination, alien of the week, morality plays, intercrew drama) were all valid stories and we have had a twenty year break form this style of storytelling. Glad to see it back. There are plenty of "new" shows.. new ideas and I credit streaming with that. Go enjoy them I'll enjoy this great take on an old pleasure... just like people think it's a bold new idea when a new character with superpowers has a new and different logo on their chest but still are just copies of Superman
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D
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 2:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: The Passenger

Just wanted to clarify my previous comment. Siddig El Fadil's acting in the final act was pretty bad, so I’m not excusing that.

But I do think that the idea of excising a hostile personality made sense, given that part of the point of DS9 is to talk about certain historical events through a sci-fi lenses. Unfortunately, the development of experimental brain techniques was developed in that context. Many people who would probably be diagnosed with PTSD today ended up living out their lives with important parts of their brain removed.
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James G
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 2:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Schisms

After an excellent run of episodes, a poor one. This really did not work for me. It occurred to me that this is probably the very last TNG episode you'd show to someone unfamiliar with the franchise.

It's just downright bizarre, and the conceit it's based on is a huge pile of technobabble nonsense.

It starts off with something that about half of all TNG episodes suffer from; Geordi or Data making a "modification" that the engineers who built and designed the warp engines, the sensors, the shields and the rest of it somehow never thought of.

Then the "anomaly"; this monstrously dangerous rift in the fabric of the universe that shouldn't exist (or whatever it is). Picard, Data, Geordi and the others stand there looking at it like it's a bit of mould on the bathroom wall.

How could Data be affected in the same way as the rest of the crew, when the aliens are apparently using some sort of neural sedative to render their victims unconscious?

The funniest part is the holodeck computer's hilariously specific response to "make this a metal table". It's as though about 20 minutes of the participants describing what they wanted was edited out. All it needed was "wait .. I remember now .. it was like a dentist's chair! Computer, make this a dentist's chair".

Speaking of the computer, why can't it raise an alarm when two crew members go unaccounted for, instead of waiting to be asked?

I was delighted to see two Philips head screws in the helm console, but I googled this and apparently they were removed in post-production from the original video. In the HD versions restored from film (I watched this on Netflix), they didn't bother.

The aliens were nicely creepy, I must say that.

I found myself hitting the rewind button quite a few times when I realised that I'd stopped listening to the dialogue. I stopped paying attention a few times. This one is just not engaging, it doesn't gel, it doesn't work.

i would award a small degree of credit for the conclusion though. Nice to see an episode end unresolved, in a way. The crew are safe, the danger has passed, but we don't end up knowing much about the other-universe aliens, and they're still out there.
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Booming
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 2:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

It is an ok show the problem is that it hasn't decided what it really wants to be, serious sci fi with comedic elements or a silly comedy with sci fi elements. It seems to gravitate towards serious sci fi though which I'm all for. Season 3 will be the make or break season.
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Trent
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 1:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Nepenthe

https://trekmovie.com/2020/09/29/interview-jonathan-frakes-talks-directing-star-trek-picard-season-2-wants-more-riker-troi-family/

Frakes just confirmed that this episode was an afterthought and not part of the original series *plan. And so "Picard's" best episode literally had nothing to do with this season's plot, and was shoe-horned in last minute.

*to use the word "plan" is to give Kurtzman too much credit. His whole style of management clearly results in utter chaos, the scribbling of his disparate writers hastily cobbled together into some embarrassing semblance of an arc. Hence almost every episode in Picard relying on a flashback, the show, like a leaking boat, constantly flailing about to plug its own holes.
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William B
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 1:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Dax

The other thing I'll add in the episode's defense is that the episode's structure is designed to highlight the ambiguity of the situation. Sisko argues that Jadzia is not responsible for Curzon's actions while simultaneously Jadzia endangers herself by honouring a promise made by Curzon, which she clearly feels responsible for. I think maybe Sisko provides true and correct but incomplete arguments which Jadzia's own actions belie. Kind of interesting.
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Peter G.
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 1:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Dax

@ Millions,

Since this one isn't a favorite of mine I'm not exactly going to defend it against the charge that it wasn't as exciting as it could have been. This was no Measure of a Man, but should have been. That said, I think the issues brought up during the hearing were muddy enough that, like in Measure of a Man, it was really not possible for a judge to come to a positive determination in such a setting. It is a ridiculously complicated question to ask how much culpability people have without even bringing in the idea of changing bodies. Once you get the host/symbiont thing going, I really don't see how courts of law are even supposed to work. I have to admit, the prosecution's argument that a Trill murder is the perfect crime does have some sense to it, since the symbiont apparently lives on but isn't held responsible. Benjamin's argument that it's a "completely new person" may be technically true but seems philosophically weak to me.

So I agree I would have liked, at minimum, to see them all realize just how sticky this matter is. The deus ex machina is actually ok, because getting them off the hook of a decision they can't make anyhow is a reasonable way to end things. But I would have preferred more of a sense in the end that we really did think Jadzia bore some responsibility for what Curzon did. That should be the price you pay for taking on a symbiont, one which I suspect the Trills would be willing to accept even though it carries some risk.
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Millions
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 1:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Dax

2 stars at most.

The central premise is “is a trill guilty of crimes committed by a past host?” is debated, but then labelled meaningless and forgotten because the wife arrives to prove the past host was innocent. So all the courtroom drama didn’t really go anywhere...

And this episode is meant to develop Jadzia as a character, but she barely talks for the entire show.

It would have been much better if Curzon WAS guilty with Jadzia defending herself, and the situation was forced to a resolution. But instead it takes a cheap way out and we don’t really get to see Jadzia in the spotlight.
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CaptainMercer
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 11:37am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

And what is Great is that Haveena's argument is not the only valid one. Tony Todd's character - who says that this is all a violation of their ways for a child trafficking operation, is not wrong. and the admirals talking about the diplomatic ramifications that make it more complex than even already-difficult human rights issue, seal the deal that this episode has so much depth to it, yet is not afraid to have spirited humor and adventure that this series is so great at doing
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CaptainMercer
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 11:33am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

The series is pro woman which is why the episode "About a Girl" exists to show the value of allowing women to exist in a predominently male society. But "Sanctuary" brings up some of the reasons (including mutilation) this is important.. andyou should KNOW these are the themes that STAR TREK is all about.. that's the POINT. Haveena said below (BTW one of my favorite female characters now)
It is with hope and pride
that I stand here today
as a voice for those who
have been voiceless for so long.
It is true that we have been
living in exile,
outside of the laws
of our native planet,
but to do otherwise
would invite persecution, mutilation
and even extinction.
If our plea to be recognized
as an independent state fails,
I fear that our voices
will be silenced forever.
As I look upon all
of the exquisite diversity
in this great hall,
I am reminded
that most of us share
something in common.
Over the course of history,
there have been people
on nearly every planet who were,
at one time or another, oppressed...
by those who were stronger...
or greater in numbers...
for reasons that now seem
insignificant to us.
The history of moral progress
can be measured by the expansion
of fundamental rights
to those who have been denied them.
We ask only to be included
in that expanding circle of justice.

I'm sorry. but this is what STAR TREK is all about.. this episode is the best Star Trek episode to have come out in YEARS, and it doesn't matter if it has the IP and logo attached to it. This is Star Trek story that all the series have been dancing around doing and never quite did it.
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Booming
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 11:02am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

@Mercers

Still all this would mean tens of thousands of operations every day. Let's just agree that Star Trek had it's logic gaps and the Orville often is a few steps less sophisticated. It is probably better to not overanalyze this. I also find the message slightly confusing.
Suppressing women is bad?
Forced sex change is bad?
refugees something??
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CaptainMercer
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 8:26am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

@ Boomer Because of the environment of the planet and the pollution I believe the society is still mostly male.. maybe as much as 85%
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MercerCreate
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 8:16am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

@Booming

I would say that your hypothetical is flawed because most Moclans born are actually male. And that is ok because with eggs they can still reproduce. What I'm saying is that the government of Moclus has been lying in order to make it seem like the society is ALL male.. or very much as close to it as possible, releasing figures as stated in the cold open of S1E3 that there is a female born once every 75 years.. and they gotta do this for a reason.. and that is because they know that the chances of a female being born is actually greater.. not 50% like it is here, but greater.. and we have no idea what kind of lifestyle the citizens have but we get the impression form the industrialized society, and harsh conditions that not only are the citizens used to a tighter leash from the government but they believe that it makes sense for only males to be born in this society. So Haveena said that there are more females born than the government will admit, that doens't mean 50%. It also doesn't mean that Moclans that brood their eggs on Moclus would have this process more closely monitored on the homeworld, and and maybe there are ways for the doctors to tell before it hatches if it is female.. or even if a female hatches and it IS a female they people are simply told (indoctrinated) with the belief that this is a terrible defect with their child and the "unspecified" correction procedure conducted by the state will assure normalcy. The secret was impossible to keep, as we have seen.. but it was kept for a while as the stigma behind having females was so strong (think about Christianity here and its stigmas) and think about the fact that the society probably wanted its citizens to test the egg itself regularly and if the eggs have some kind of small genetic "abnormality' then a doctor would come in and fix it (that abnormality would indicate that it would eventually hatch as female). See a government can control a society not through force but through stigma and belief. Haveena had been working this problem for some time making a dozen trips to the Sanctuary, creating her own version of an underground railroad, yet the population of the Sanctuary is rather small.

I think it's not perfect, but as a kind of 90s Trek kind of story.. it holds up pretty well .. and i'm glad this and other Orville episodes have so much substance without being heavy handed. This show is a gift
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Booming
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 6:43am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

@Mercer
I have watched the presi debate yesterday and might still feel a little dizzy but are you saying that they kept a tight lid on the secret that around 50%? of society undergoes a sex change? Here I can make the standard sentence about conspiracies: "Too complex to be kept secret"
What would that mean:
- A gigantic amount of sexchange operations. Let's say the Moclans have around as many people and offspring as Humans today. That would mean 130 million children ergo 65 million sex changes per year or around 178.000 per day.
- There would be hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of doctors and nurses involved. They would all know the truth.
- It seems like the people who had a sex change all know it and they also occasionally talk about it. Does nobody ever wonder:" Man/Woman I constantly meet other former women?!!"
- The societal costs must be endless. The doctors and nurses, die administration, materials, facilities. These cost would be gigantic. So everybody involved with the Moclan budget would also know.
- Why would a society even start with all this considering the gigantic costs. There must have been a gigantic effort by the state to start all this. Again it's almost 200000 operations a day!!!

And so on and so on. A "secret" like this would be impossible to keep.
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Tannhaeuser
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:16am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Sacred Ground

This thing puts the usual science vs. religion debate on its head. I usually ignore the technobbable as a plot device to get the writer through some impossible dilemma.

However here the theme is to pit "science" in the form of technobbable directly against the "spiritual". The only reason I (or rather my unconscious mind) find the "spiritual" non-explanation more convincing is because the "scientific" technobbable sounds even more ridiculous, as usual.
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Davidw
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 1:15am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: His Way

This episode would have been fine before odo's betrayal and the other episode children of time I think you called it.

Not great but fine. Darren is great.

but coming after those episodes it just violates what we know about their chemistry and history and so is not a good episode.
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spinalatte
Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: One Small Step

Pretty good. Pretty much everything is been covered. Chakotay suddenly has a strong hobby, Seven still is critical of humans being humans, another shuttle mission mishap, a ticking clock. All in all, entertaining, but Inwould
Max it out at 3 stars.
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Pambo
Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: False Profits

Just watched this episode. Chakotay would have been justified in taking command of Voyager after Janeway's bumbling here. They had a ripe opportunity to get home and she blew it again.
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CaptainMercer
Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S2: Sanctuary

@Boomer
"What rules does the Union have? MacMercer makes the argument that if they don't protect the women then what are they fighting for but they let Moclans join and those guys made no real secret out of their sex changing ways."

Did you watch the series of the episode?
EVERYONE was told that the Moclans were an all-male species. That the chances of being female were infinitely small. That's what the government of Moclans had everyone believe, even their own people. In that rare instance where a female is born born once every 75 years and in that case they alter them. I would not call that "no real secret"
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Snootybaronet
Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Chain of Command, Part I

Captain Jellico really shines and shows how the lax, intergalactic pleasure cruise style of Picard is an embarrassment to the Federation. It's surreal that the flagship would be so unprepared.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 3:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Offspring

"Why the hell is it any business of Starfleet to remove a child from their parent?"

I think Starfleet's argument would be that she's not a "child" she's an invention/creation. That's why Picard was so flustered by Data in their first meeting in his ready room. Data looks at Lal as a child, as if he has procreated, and he likens Lal to any child birthed by a member of the crew. The difference is that giving birth to children is an innate part of a human's nature. The same cannot be said for Data. He may have the desire, and the ability to build another android like himself, but that doesn't automatically make Lal his child. The implication of Lal's creation that Picard finds so dismaying is the fact that it's so difficult to do and not something that happens naturally. Yet now that Lal exists, and she's both sentient and sapient, her rights become a factor, but they're still quite tentative.

This is where Picard takes something of a 180. Because Lal is a thinking intelligent being, her rights must be respected. Data thinks of Lal as his child, which is made more plausible given that he transferred his thoughts to her, so even if Picard considers that's irrational or sentimental, he must respect those beliefs and do what he can to protect them. Lal is not the property of Starfleet any more than Data is, and that's what Picard is trying to convey to Haftel when he references The Measure of a Man. While that case did not establish whether Data is a person, or necessarily even sentient, it did establish that he's not the property of Starfleet, and he has the freedom to make choices on his own behalf. If Lal does not want to be separated from Data she should not be compelled to.

We as viewers, having spent so much time with Data already, are perhaps too quick to relate to him and take his side. This episode shows us that Starfleet's position is wrong, but considering how uncharted this territory is, I don't think they came into it from a position of malice or bigotry, because they looked at her as an invention, not procreation.
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