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Booming
Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 3:14am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

uh no, this is no way near the horrible abomination that is "for the uniform".
Dave and Gerontius have correctly pointed out that all Geordi had to do was saying: "Computer, cut the romantic and sexually suggestive behavior."

What bothers people is that even though Geordi lies repeatedly and used his position to gather information (or are personal files public domain; is privacy dead in Star Trek??)
- he lies when he schedules a diner with Leah (an ok lie, in love a few tricks are allowed)
- when Leah notices that Geordi knows a lot about her, he lies about why and how he got the info (borderline)
- when Leah accuses him of using the hologram for god knows what he lies about how far it went (understandable but over the line)
- he also states that he just wanted to be nice (another convenient lie)

I think the clash where Leah finds out would have been far better if Geordi would have confessed everything and admitted that he is lonely and fell for that hologram in a high pressure situation, that he made a mistake and is deeply sorry. AND then Leah warms to his honesty.

but he shows outrage and continues to lie and trick her.
and it works.

I think that is a terrible message for boys and men.
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William Smith
Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 2:58am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Lonely Among Us

I found it unsettling that assistant engineer Singh dies and everyone is generally OK with it. No one was upset about their crew mate dying?
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Silly
Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 12:28am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Hope and Fear

I thought it was pretty good. Janeway got her ass called out, and it was a very good indictment.

Come on! “Well we thought 8472 was a bigger threat”! Come on! How self serving can you get?
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Silly
Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 12:20am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: In the Flesh

This wasn’t bad, but they cut to the chase way too soon. There was way more story available with 8472.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 10:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Actually, all he had to do was say " Computer, reset physical parameters of Holo-Leah. Make her hideously unattractive and smelly. Resume program. "
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 10:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

@ Gerontius

Actually, all he had to say was "Holo-Leah, we only have a few hours until the ship is destroyed and all of us die. Could we focus on the crisis at hand?"

If holo-Leah balked, he could've easily instructed the computer to reset her personality subroutines back to their original state and told the computer to keep her interest firmly platonic.

It sure would've wasted less time than talking about her favorite pasta.
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Austin
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 9:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Bride of Chaotica!

I normally can’t stand holodeck episodes. And honestly towards the end of this one I kept checking the clock to see how much time I had left (something this season of Voyager has drastically improved upon!) But dang if Satan’s Robot didn’t make the whole thing worth watching for me. Technobabble and slow pace aside, I’ll give it a 2/4 just for that robot.
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Gerontius
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 8:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

"Computer FREEZE program!

Computer - stop this holographic Leah acting like this! Don't let her touch me, or say such suggestive things. It's not proper.

In fact, could you provide a chaperone who can sit in the corner."

That should have sorted things out perhaps?
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Silly
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 7:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Symbiosis

As clunky as the Tasha/Wesley scene was, it was not as much ripped from a school anti-drug film as it may seem, at least not where I lived. I was a teen and it was eye poppingly informative. All the anti drug stuff I had seen pretty much went direct for the pure hell of heroin or whatever addiction. What was NEVER presented was that it might just FEEL GOOD. So, as goofy as Wesley’s aww-shucks thing was, for many of us in the real world, it was reality.

I’m assuming the powers that be, at least where I lived, never explained the “positivess” that drug use had because it would seem like promoting it or something. I don’t know though, because you would see someone smoking weed or something without the extreme consequences of worst case heroine abuse or whatever, and it’s a pretty quick leap that you were being lied to, so I question this rationale.

Anyway, they could have played this scene better. It would go a long ways if Wesley had just nodded in befuddledment, rather than the aw-shucks thing they went with.
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Gerontius
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 7:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Having people act as if they know you when they've never actually met you I believe is a pretty common thing that happens to TV actors and presenters. It's a natural enough kind of misunderstanding. It isn't generally seen in itself as any kind of sexual harassment, unless that is what actually takes place in the course of the interaction.
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Dirk
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 7:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Heart of Stone

Loved the Nog story. Wonderful acting from Aron Eisenberg. Sisko was in top form.
The Kira and Odo story seemed pretty fishy to me, especially after the constable started saying "something isn't right." Rene's acting, especially in Odo oriented episodes, is the one of the high points of the Trek franchise for me.
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Luke Fernandes
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 6:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Blood on the Scales

The character assassination continues. On all sides. Before they made Roslin and Adama assholes, now they make Zarek kill the quorum like a school spree shooter. The writers have their fingers on the scales and they want us to believe that Gaeta and Zarek are bad here.

It’s painful watching this show rooting for Gaeta because the writers want us to be somewhat sympathetic to Adama and co., or rather the nepotistic love boat co-presidency which ignores the law when the Roslin/Adama duo think they know best. Gross.

Baltar, who killed billions of people and collaborated with the Cylons on New Caprica, is alive while Gaeta is dead? This season is full of suckage.
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MidshipmanNorris
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 6:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: For the Cause

Jammer.

We need to talk about "For The Cause."

Post-9/11, the anti-American sentiment of ... let's say, 'other nations', has become quite evident.

This is the episode in which it's revealed that Eddington has been working for the Maquis all along. You are selling it short. For someone who is re-watching DS9 after having watched it in the first run, now in 2020... This is all powerful stuff. Certainly more compelling in retrospect than the fluff which Discovery and Picard have provided us with.

Perhaps nostalgia glasses are blurring my view of what this might have been regarded as in the first run of the series. But looking back, I wish I had had a better understanding of what I was watching as a teenager.

This is good stuff, and certainly may have fallen on deaf ears back in the day.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 6:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2

You might be right, Josh.

I'm hoping you're not though, because you being correct means the creators of this new Trek show know so little about the franchise that they don't even know how a starship is supposed to function.

Are people supposed to take a turbolift through dense superheated nacelle plasma just to service the deflector? It's a moronic design.

PS ... they can't even get the angles right in that drawing. It looks like the ship was left in the sun too long and it started to warp (no pun intended)
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 6:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

@ Peter G.

It's hilarious you said that because I think of this as TNG's "Tuvix".
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Peter G.
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 5:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Haha, the firestorm has begun again! I love it. This is TNG's For the Uniform.

For what it's worth I think it's pretty indisputable that Geordi did nothing wrong in Booby Trap. The entire episode is about how technology can be your undoing without you realize it, and it makes Geordi have a tough time with people. It's no accident he got it on with the computer, he knows computers!

To me the 'wrong' stuff is all in this episode. He needn't have had any guilt about the holoimage *if not for the fact* that in this episode he was acting entitled to a relationship with the real Leah on account of his encounter with the hologram. Not only that, in so many words he flat out tells Guinan that they're totally gonna get it on when they meet, and she rolls her eyes. That is the problem.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 5:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

If you find a wallet on the ground and keep it, it's a crime of opportunity. You didn't set out to rob anyone, but you're still taking advantage of the situation for your own benefit.

This is literally no different.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 5:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

It doesn't matter if Geordi intentionally created her or not.

Over a thousand lives were at risk and Geordi allowed the program to distract him with needless personal asides that ate up precious time. Any Starfleet officer wirth their salt would've told the computer to knock off the romantic stuff. But Geordi didn't .... and he even made sure to go back (once the emergency was done) to see her holo-duplicate once again and kiss her.

And once the emergency had passed? Did Geordi delete the program?

Just because he didn't create the program doesn't mean he didn't take advantage of it (and her).
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Booming
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 5:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

I rewatched the scenes before I wrote my last comment. Again he got a massage from holo Leah and he kissed holo Leah. As Dave said he was clearly romantically involved with the hologram.

He created a hologram of Leah which then provided him with physical pleasure (massage, kissing).
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Jason R.
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 5:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

@Booming the creation of the hologram and its behaviour was clearly *unintentional*. Rewatch Booby Trap. Not up for debate.

I don't understand why people can't process this fact. Have to keep pointing it out every couple years.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 5:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Also, are we supposed to believe that Geordi remembered she loves fungili a year and a half later?

Obviously Geordi reran the program to brush up on her personal details.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 4:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Geordi had a facsimile of her saved in the computer: a copy that was made without her consent in which Geordi engaged romantically. He didn't just "delve into her personal history".
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Gerontius
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 4:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Why run to the holodeck? Because he realises that however innocent everything was, Leah is going to jump to the wrong conclusion. He wanrts to get there before that happens and explain what happened and put it in context.

And remember, Geordi didn't "create" the hologram, the ships computer did that without him intending to, and it came up with the holographic Leah's script, and with any and all of Leah's actions. Which were presumably based on its understanding of the way she would have been likely to behave with a trusted colleague she liked. The trouble was that, for the real Leah, Geordi wasn't a trusted colleague she liked. Not until later in the episode.

And if his delving into her personal history didn't go beyond finding out a favourite food and didn't even tell him that she was married, it couldn't have been that intrusive.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 4:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

* Geordi
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Booming
Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 3:49pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

Another question is why Geordie runs to the holodeck when he hears that Leah went to the holodeck? Why run when he has nothing to hide?
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