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Samuel
Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 1:36am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

So the Enterprise crash lands in pretty much exactly the same way in Generations and is unsalvageable, but Discovery — a ship 100 years older — crash lands and is ready to take off again a few hours later?
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LandoSystem
Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 1:03am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Whom Gods Destroy

@Trish, my best guess is that in certain shots they lit her with a green light.
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BRiAN
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part II

solid two parter with the Tom Paris and Sarah Silverman stuff being really strong.

Didn't really like the way they stopped the paradox or future form happening... I want a clever twist from these types of stories. They just... shot the rift with torpedoes?? Kind of a let down.

Would have been great to have Sarah Silverman stow away and join the cast, have to learn how to adjust to live on Voyager. Ah well. Might have ruined Silvermans comic career, who knows.
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BRiAN
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

Sarah Silverman really helps make this two parter work. She adds a lot of life to this Voyager crew of wet blankets, and plays off of Tom Paris well. Rumors are she almost became a regular. Would have made the show a lot better IMO, and the show would have been better for it if it took more risks like that.
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Cody B
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

@Booming

You said on October 24th “Americans are very fat.“

And then just a couple days later:
“Millions of women have anorexia and hundreds of thousands of men. These kind of comments create more. And even if this doesn't lead to potentially deadly eating disorders. Who wants to hurt people for no reason?!“

Only one person in this entire thread has called people fat. And yes that’s ‘people’ as in more than one. Any Americans that read Boomings post, please don’t feel body shamed, and most importantly don’t turn to anorexia! It was a cruel hurtful thing for Booming to have said but you can rise above the insults. You’ll probably try to link to some studies showing a percentage of Americans are overweight, but none of them would ever use that cruel word and insult others. Fat?!? Smh
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Mal
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

@Dave in MN, that's hilarious! Now I want a bumper sticker that says "Jellico is *my* Captain!"

Thanks to all those who appreciated my review. I can't wait to see what @Jammer pens for this episode.

I see a ton of discussion back and forth about Tilly's weight gain. We've had some obviously overweight admirals in the past - Admiral Ross on DS9 wasn't exactly slim and trim. Scotty in his later years grew to be the size of a Dyson's sphere :)

It is unusual for an Ensign to be visibly out of shape - especially given Tilly's character arc, with the Command Training Program and her rigorous running regime.

But I think we need to remember that these are people with technology that is 200 years more advanced than ours. With that technology, how you look is almost like choosing what to wear.

Remember on DS9 when Odo and Sikso and O'Brien went with Dukat on a Klingon ship - and they looked like Klingons? When they came back from that mission - to out Gowron as a changeling (turned out the changeling was Martok) - it was time for Bashir to make Sisko and O'Brien look "normal" again.

And since Odo was also human now, Bashir offered to give him a more "normal" face:

BASHIR: You know, Constable, I could give you any face you like. Bajoran, human, Trill.

ODO: My old face will do very nicely, thank you.

SISKO: You heard the man.

BASHIR: Whatever you say.

My sense is that once Instagram filters are 200 years older, and diet pills are 200 years old, and plastic surgery is 200 years older, and all the other technologies we use to change our appearance are 200 years older, and many, many more such technologies have been invented along the way, people will probably have moved on from our current hang ups.

Of course they will have different hang ups on appearance in the future. Bones absolutely loved teasing Spock about his ears. Kira was not from a Federation Planet, and was famously particular about how her men looked.

Check out Vedic Bareil's abs:

https://youtu.be/yiXu3PGscDs

Come to think of it, in the future, even skin color will be a choice - similar to how some people like to dye their hair these days (Blonds have more fun versus Brunettes are the Best).

I can imagine someone dating an Andorian might want to try out a bluish tint for a few months. Or maybe some S&M aficionado enjoys looking green like an Orion slave girl.

Think how much fun Halloween would be in the 23rd century!

After all, when appearance is a choice, and there is no money, the sky is pretty much the limit. So how you look actually says a lot about how you want people to see you. Especially given that everyone on Star Trek wears a uniform. Remember how big a deal it was for Ro to wear that Bajoran earring?

But if they are worried at all about appearance in a future Starfleet, they will probably be more concerned about people like Ash Taylor and Mr. Darvin. Just because someone looks human, doesn't mean they aren't, say, a Klingon.

As long as Tilly's performance is improving pursuant to her Command Training Program goals, let her look fat. Probably not great for her knees, given all that extra running she's doing. But I'm sure her knees can easily be replaced when the time comes. It's the future people!
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Dave in MN
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

I'm reading through the comments and I'm getting flashbacks to the whole discussion about Jonathan Frakes's weight a few months ago.

The actress who plays Tilly had a baby right before filming resumed. As I said before, the actors are allowed to have private lives and they may have medical issues we are not privy to.

Besides, pretty much everyone understands that seasons of a show take quite awhile to produce. Think about when child actors hit puberty:, no one bitches about how Jake or Wesley grew 2 inches between consecutive episodes.

If Tilly's appearance bothers a viewer, I think they should ask themselves why they're so hung up on it.
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Jason R.
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

"I just discovered the antispam answer doesn't accept "Jellico".

Haha you win the forum sir.
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Jason R.
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

"You think my statement is incorrect"

That people making mildly negative comments about an actress's weight gain literally causes people to become anorexic? Anything's possible I suppose but I really doubt it.
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Austin
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

I agree with a lot of the reviewers, this is the best of the season so far. A lot of old school type Trek in the last 3 episodes, granted some of it was hit and miss. I could have gone the rest of my life without knowing Klingons are ribbed NOT for his pleasure, but I guess that’s the new norm for Trek on CBSAA... doing things because you CAN not because you SHOULD. It’s a shame because all previous Trek incarnations I could watch with my daughter in the room. I don’t like the F Bombs and gore either, call me old school, but there’s a certain artistry in NOT showing everything GOT style. Otherwise, I’m just happy to have more Trek on TV. 3.5 stars from me as well.
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Cody B
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

If Tilly were chain smoking cigarettes the whole series and they were real it would be fine to not just mention it’s not healthy but it would be fine to say she’s stupid etc. Mention the obvious that a character has gained a lot of weight in two years and that’s just a no go zone.
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Dave in MN
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

I just discovered the antispam answer doesn't accept "Jellico".

IAnyways, 'll keep it brief-ish (for once)

THINGS I LIKED:

Seeing the crew actually work together as a crew

Saru - the actor who plays him is very talented

Tilly amuses me - maybe not for the right reasons but again the actress has a certain likability to her

The FX - I could actually see what was happening (mostly)

The score - finally a Trek score focused on generating mood vs. the usual overdone emotive bombast

The direction/ editing - I can tell there were some reshoot scenes intermixed but it was much more seamless than most Nu-Trek

WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE:

Georgiou - Michelle Yeoh is SO talented so why do they write her to be so carttonishly evil? I'm glad the character wants to get shit done, but c'mon! I can think of 80's cartoon villians written with more nuance. Also, 3 pain-phaser shots and she's smiling? Whatever. (Hopefully she's not going to resurrect Section 31 when the crew inevitably reassembles Starfleet)

The Doctor's Pep Talk - What? He just had to unhook one wire and hook up another. This is like Agnes on STP freaking out about pushing the Engage Button.

Gratutious gore - You know what I'm talking about. Yuck.

The death sentence - out you go into the cold, but here's some survival gear and rations. Might as well have had him twirl his mustache and say " I'll be back!"

Does Implant Lady have a Control infection? - God, I hope not

Gene scooping up body parts - he leaves his family forever to go to the future and this is his job? The officers mock him? Also, "Gene"? The writers have to know a Trekkie well immediately think Roddenberry. I didn't like that.

Parasitic Ice - that's not how ice works, but ok. No flamethrowers in the future? Also, didn't I see this on Doctor Who once?

The scientifically impossible planet

Michael saving the day - because of course she would, sigh.

I have a feeling the first 2 episodes of this season were originally a single episode that they padded out with reshoots. Hence much of the artificial drama.

This wasn't good, but it definitely could've been much worse. No Michael for most of an episode!

⭐⭐
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Trish
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 8:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Whom Gods Destroy

Another observation:

This watching was the first time I recall noticing that in a few, mostly solo shots, Marta's green color is more vivid and covers not only her skin but also her teeth and the whites of her eyes, while in most shots in which she appears with other characters, it looks more like a relatively drab color only on her skin.

I wonder, did they change their mind about how to produce the green skin effect partway through shooting, and didn't bother to reshoot the scenes already in the can?
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Trish
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 7:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: Whom Gods Destroy

I have long thought that Voyager's writers missed an opportunity to make use of Spock's line about Vulcan children dancing in nursery school. When Neelix pleaded with Tuvok to dance, Tuvok should have said he had not had need of such an exercise since early childhood.

I can see how dance could be an exercise in physical and mental discipline and might speak to the Vulcan sense of structure.
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Booming
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 6:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

@Jason
"You're a psychiatrist now?"
You think my statement is incorrect?
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Gail NYC
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 6:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Storm Front, Part I

I enjoyed this one!

Thavash, this was just the latest in a string of episodes that I got a "Quantum Leap" vibe from. Whenever Archer wakes up in some strange new place or time and has to figure things out, I get that vibe. Happens a lot.

I could definitely have done without the Italian-American mob stereotypes, but other than that I thought it was fun.

Some of you are saying "Alien Nazi bad guys" like it was a BAD thing!
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Frankgeo
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 6:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

Jammer, can you please either get a moderator for these comments or discontinue this comment section. The same people are commenting time and time again and mostly they’re arguing each other. The comments this time are out of hand. They seem to mostly about Tilly’s weight. I noticed it also but who cares. I’m done with these comments. I like Discovery and if you don’t like it don’t watch it!
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Jason R.
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 5:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

"Millions of women have anorexia and hundreds of thousands of men. These kind of comments create more"

You're a psychiatrist now?
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Sen-Sors
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 5:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

"To the extent that we're discussing things like decorum and decency, there is a *way* to tell the truth that can be aggressive, vindictive, mocking, and a way that is more neutral and factual, and of course a way that has a kind spirit."

Okay, sure. So calling someone "unrecognizable" and "ballooning"; which camp does that fit in?

I don't think pointing out an actor's weight gain on a TV show makes someone a bad person, and it's worth noting that Tomalek has commented on many other aspects of the show besides that topic. However, the defense of "genuinely curious of what you dislike about me saying this, I'm just pointing out the truth" comes off as a little disingenuous. A bit babe-in-the-woods, if you will.

Surely we are all aware of the context of people's weight, self-esteem and the judgement society will often place upon you in relation to it. You can see it in this very thread with the assertion that Wiseman is failing as an actor due to her weight gain. Is it really a surprise that some people would find such a discussion distasteful?
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Caoimhin
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 5:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

I bet that guy with the comically large 20th century shovel is really pleased he gave up his life to accompany Burnham into the far future. Has he ever even met her I wonder? What's his position on the ship anyhow, lavatory cleaner? That whole scene was made no sense.
Saru was very watchable in this, however the parasitic ice effects looked very dated, wouldn't have been out of place in TNG.
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EventualZen
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 4:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: First Contact

Why does the Borg queen raise her hand to make the Borg drones desist going after Data? Aren't they connected wirelessly? In an earlier scene she condemns Data for using speech because it's primitive.

Probably the best TNG-era film for entertainment value, 8/10.
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Booming
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 4:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

@Peter
Well, first of all truth is often a matter of perspective, more importantly it is a matter of framing. Saying something that is true can be bad or good. For example:"Some people say that Jews control the media." or "Transpeople are far more often participants when rape happens than the average citizen." Both is true. Both truth are used in a very sinister way. For the first example, sure some people say everything. For the second one should probably add that they are the ones being raped. Point being that it depends.
Now let's have a look at Tomalak's comments:
- Tilly is almost unrecognisable now
- I find Tilly's weight gain very striking so I observed it, yeah.
Then he posted before/after pictures of her to prove her weight gain
- although it is striking how fast Tilly has ballooned.
- amusingly they reference how much fitter the character is getting even as she balloons in weight.

Is this just telling the truth or is this barely concealed douchebaggery.

After that he started to attack people, me included, then wrote to me "The idea that character weight gain is off limits is your weird hang up" and suggested that I leave this forum if I have a problem with what he writes. The only thing I had done at that point was making fun of him for starting with this stupid topic. I never said anything about him needing my permission or whatever.

"Great post, Peter G. It's sad that it even needs saying."
Almost got whiplash from rolling my eyes.
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Hotel bastardos
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 4:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: I, Borg

Pontificate all ye will- if the Borg come a knockin'- wot will ye do?
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Tomalak
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 3:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: Far From Home

Great post, Peter G. It's sad that it even needs saying.
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MidshipmanNorris
Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 2:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 1

@SlackerInc

You may have missed a bit of subtlety in the dialogue, I think.

It isn't the brawl itself that is the "formative experience." It is the fact that he almost died, and had to have his normal heart replaced with an artificial heart. In the episode where he first talks about it, "Samaritan Snare," he is telling the story to Wesley Crusher (cuz they're stuck on a shuttlecraft trip to Starbase Whatever-It-Is together):

PICARD
"If we had not been so near to a medical facility, I would surely have died."

WESLEY
"Really... then what happened?"

PICARD
"...Nothing. I was no hero, Wesley. I was an undisciplined, loud-mouthed, opinionated young man who was waaay out of his league. (sigh) I learned a very hard, very painful lesson that day, but I learned it well. I hope you never have to learn it the same way."

The 'formative experience' was realizing that you can't just go around with a giant chip on your shoulder, or you could most definitely get your stupid jerk ass killed. When he averts this event, he never learns how fragile life is, how important it is to make every moment count. This is what makes him into the man who becomes Captain of the Enterprise, instead of a lowly science officer who eventually got bored of trying to advance his Starfleet Career.

I do admit that this is kind of hard to wrap your mind around, on the first couple viewings, and it is partially explained in a veeeery distant 2nd season episode. So I could see how it got by you.
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