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Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 4:43pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Evolution

So in TNG they made nanobots but didn't include any way to power them off? Such a silly idea but ok, let's just chalk that up to a bug in the 'evolved' code or something.

I can mostly forgive this stuff but what I can't really accept is that the nanobots would have evolved the capacity for complex communications and negotiation given that they're intended purpose was for medical use.

Also, at their rate of growth and evolution those nanobots should have quadrant of its resources and become the dominant form of 'life' in a ridiculously short period of time limited only by the speed of light. Exponential growth is crazy in that way.

Still, I didn't hate the episode but it's yet another example of Wesley (or any crewmember for that matter) doing something that almost kills everyone and facing no consequences. Not even a stern talking to. Frustrating because the moment he even was suspicious of this he should have reported it to Geordi or Data. The time he spent after he became suspicious talking to Guinan, the old Scrubs doctor, and his mommy should have earned him a court martial or at least some sort of formal discipline noted in his permanent record.

Making an honest mistake is fine, everything else notwithstanding, but failing to report it put everyone's lives at risk and showed a tremendous lack of character.
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Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 3:36pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Course: Oblivion

That would have been an amazing ending but it would have left a huge gap in how they would have got these rings when their only contact was with their own genetic material.

Maybe something could have been written by it.

What I do feel is the episode's ending was terrible because nobody from the real voyager knew this happened and there was nothing left behind. Your idea , or something like it, would have changed the outcome of this to something that mattered.
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Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 1:12pm (UTC -6)
Re: BSG S3: Maelstrom

Michael here (the one from 2011).

I've matured (a bit) since then. I lost my Dad three years ago and am no more "over it" now than I was the day he died.

I still think the episode was thoroughly weird, even nonsensical in the overall scheme of things, and the mystical mumbo-jumbo did not resonate with me at all. But Kara at her mom's deathbed really got me choked up, big time. Makes you wonder: What's the point of life? To it?
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Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 8:25am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Thirty Days

The concept of an ocean planet was hella unique and aesthetically pleasing. The special effects in this show never fail (well 90% of the time).

I'm on Janeway's side with this one Tom had no right and deserved to be dressed down ...wasn't what he did basically terrorism? I just wish she'd kept the same enery for The Doctor on several upcoming occasions.

Someone in this thread compared Janeway to Trump words just wow.
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Jason R.
Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 8:17am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Peak Performance

I just had a hallucination of this episode but reimagined in the mold of The First Duty including a scene of Picard giving Wesley and Worf that speech after their rampant cheating - as a prelude to their court martials, which would take up the last third of the episode.
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Frake's Nightmare
Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 7:38am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: Dawn

Star Trek: Enterprise - making it so-so!
Where's Captain Kirk! as Spizz Energi would say.
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Frake's Nightmare
Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 7:37am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: The Catwalk

Star Trek: Enterprise - always barely making it to warp 5!
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Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 7:17am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Honor Among Thieves

Can't believe only one commentator thought it is worth a post scriptum notice that Nick Tate was chief-pilot in Space:1999 (leads Martin Landau + Barbara Bain), in fact one of the main characters in that 1970's sci-fi show, which was in my youth just as important to me as Star Trek TOS.
On the other end, I did not know Nick Tate had an episode in TNG, so thanks for that hint.
The years gone by ... If I weren't informed before, I probably would not have recognized N.T. here. But he still has his smile.
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Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 5:13am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

I found this to be a fantastic episode, especially the face-to-face seen. It really gives a good look into the collateral damage of warfare. The "villain" had a realistic and relatable motive, and Kira's response was equally realistic being a denouncement of all Cardassians on Bajor thus justifying each and every one of their deaths; certainly not the typical ham-fisted platitude you usually get out of ST.

"The specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy."
-Carl Schmitt
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Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 12:38am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S3: Exile

Jammer et al, I think you would.agree that the theory tjat the delphic expanse was created by the spheres.was NOT AT ALL.OBVIOUS or inevitable even in this episode or no sooner than that final.scene in this episode..and that it wad a very original and unpredictable revelation..Indeed,was I the only one who thought the first sphere reveled in Anomaly was actually the Xindi weapon that would destroy Earth hidden under construction in the cloaking field?? Hope someone can PLEASE respond with feedback.
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Michael Darwin
Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 12:03am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Just finished binge watching season 3 after taking the 50% off deal for a year of Paramount Plus. And the verdict is... eh.

In many ways Discovery moved Trek in the right direction, and this season moved Discovery the right way too. Showed flaws in the Federation, and took away some of their invincibility. We have brought in new crew and said good bye to familiar faces every season. They actually jumped into the future. Perhaps too far, IMO, but it was a necessary move for a series that was mired in the past.

On the other hand, the schmaltzy science grates me to no end. If TOS relied to heavily on radiation of the week, Discovery is all about the materialization of bad feelings. Bleh.

I am also unsettled by Gray's character. I know the actor is currently 19, but he comes across MUCH younger to me, while Blu de Barrio does not. I get Gray is probably supposed to look the age he was when he died, but still it feels a bit creepy to me. No offense to the actor, but I would like them to just resolve this story and move on from Gray.
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Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 11:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: Second Sight

Thoroughly enjoyed-captivated and moved. I have watched this episode many years ago and found the episode strange. Many years later I'm really enjoying all the episodes; especially the "bad" ones. Season 2 so far has been better than my first watch many years ago. The series is aging like a fine wine...
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Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 8:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: The Crossing

I’ll give the episode credit for one thing: Enterprise is swallowed by a huge ship and three characters leave the ship in spacesuits to explore the situation. They detect that a breathable atmosphere and pleasant temperature has formed around them.

Amazingly, they don’t promptly remove their helmets.
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Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 5:13pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Juggernaut

Bob said "B'Ehlanna is angry! What an interesting, fresh character development."

Literally her whole persona is making bitchy remarks, threatening to break your nose and hating being Klingon. All of which gets tired very quickly.

I do like how this episode demonstrating the parallels between B'Elanna's emotional toxic waste and the Malon's actual toxic waste. You can't dump your mess (anger) out wherever you want just because it's convenient. That negative energy will eventually start to affect everyone around, yourself included.
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Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 4:54pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

Yeah, but she’s acting as trained Starfleet, and is acting as Operations.

“Activate parabolic sensor array. Initiate lateral scanners. [...] The nerve agent is already spreading through the planet's atmosphere. ”

“Close exterior hatches, depressurise the airlock. Detach umbilicals, clear all moorings.”

“I'm reading residual neutrino levels. Looks like one maybe two Maquis raiders behind the fourth moon. They're on the run. ”

I get that Trek equipment tends to be really easy to use, but she’s spouting technobabble like an old pro, but more significantly, she’s able to analyze all this and summarize it for her superior. I would think doing all of that would require quite a lot of training.
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Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 4:01pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Peak Performance

Others have already mentioned the lunacy of disabling all your shit and having a War Game in the middle of nowhere. So I won't mention how much that drove me crazy because it would be repetitive to say "What the hell, TNG, writers?!" and I don't want to be repetitive.

Loved the character of Kolrami. A really enjoyable fat little twit of a douche.

My only other complaint about this episode is that I kept thinking about real life Pen Testing that we do at my job. What the Pen Testers don't do is ask the head of network security for the company they're testing to come over to their side and then use his credentials and knowledge of systems to attack. Because that would completely defeat the point of the test. Almost every network out there allows for remote connections and if you had access to admin credentials and their 2FA app guess what - you'll get in too.

So what, the hell, was the point of that War Game? Was it to simulate what would happen if the XO and Chief of Security and Chief Engineer all defected to the Romulans? Because, otherwise, the stuff that Worf and Riker and Wunderkind pulled completely undermined the entire point of what you'd expect a War Game to be. Logging into a system that you can access remotely and using your expertise and first hand knowledge of that system during a War Game makes no sense otherwise.

Everyone temporarily assigned to the Hathaway should have had their access temporarily disabled. Nobody should have been allowed to beam over.

Anyone can use inside info to cheat to win. That's not the point of the War Game as they presented it to us and I got so mad I smashed my Alf collectible drinking glasses in a rage.
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Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 3:51pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Shades of Gray

I get the clip show but why did they use some clips of that other Riker guy, the one who lacked the majestic beard and never lifted a leg to pointlessly set his foot on some object?!

I had work to do today that I put off so I did that while letting this episode play so I could say that I didn't skip it.

PS - I still skipped a lot of it.
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Bob (a different one)
Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 2:13pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: 11:59

With the exception of "City on the Edge of Forever" I'd have been perfectly content if Trek never ventured back to the 20th/early 21st centuries.
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Bob (a different one)
Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 2:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Counterpoint

Just finished rewatching this one. Easily my favorite Janeway episode. What I like best about it is that Janeway outthinks and outmaneuvers a much more powerful opponent. I think that tracks with the "one lone ship" premise. She is also presented here as showing a little vulnerability while still being tough. It makes her a much more interesting and sympathetic character, imo.
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Bob (a different one)
Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 1:37pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Course: Oblivion

I think the writers missed an opportunity with the ending.

The show opens with the wedding of Tom and B'Elanna. He slips the ring on her finger and says it's a symbol of their eternal love. Here's where I would begin to change things: the two rings would have to be items not created by the silver stuff on the Demon planet. Let the fact that they are not breaking down be one of the clues that unravels the mystery.

Skip to the end. Instead of having Harry, Seven, and Neelix being the final remaining survivors at the end, I would have went with Tom and B'Elanna, holding hands as the ship disintegrates around them. The real Voyager arrives and finds nothing, but the camera slowly moves in on the two rings floating together in space for eternity.
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Bob (a different one)
Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 1:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S4: One

Anyone else prefer Enterprise's rehash of this story, "Doctor's Orders"?
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Bob (a different one)
Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 1:29pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Bliss

Skimms said: "I can pretty much buy that the monster can affect peoples minds, but how does it alter sensor readings?"

Who reads those sensor readings?


Michael said: "Gotta love the "monster expert's" faux-Australian twang. "

I didn't notice an attempt at an Australian accent. The actor who played the part is British fwiw.


Jay asked: "Isn't the Beast mobile? Can't he move away from the buoys?"

It's either a slipup by the Voyager creators (Impossible!) or a clever bit of writing. The creature has been shown to have an increasing influence over its victims the longer they are in its proximity. "Do not kill me!" seems like a message that it would send constantly. "Yeah, marker buoys are good enough - I'm totally immobile!" would be another useful trick. If intentional, it might also suggest that the creature has tricked Qatai once more in the episode's closing shot. Who knows?

Random bits:

- Why wasn't Qatai's ship digested at some point between the time he dropped his shields to beam aboard Voyager and the time he returned?

- The creature reminded me (a tiny bit) of a an evil version of the creature from the TAS episode "One of Our Planets is Missing."
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Bob (a different one)
Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 1:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Juggernaut

William B has a very insightful comment above and it convinces me that there are some genuinely good ideas in this episode. Those ideas get drowned in an ocean of crap, but they are still there.

Let's play "fix the episode":

I like the idea of "emotional toxic waste." I like B'Elanna being the central character. I also like the character of Fesek.

I don't like having a literal monster, B'Elanna being in constant "Hulk Smash!" mode, the idea of "space polluters", the inclusion of Neelix, or the violent ending.

Start the episode with the Tuvok and Miss Turtlehead scene.

Make this a planet bound episode. Torres is asked by the Malon to help repair one of their power plants. Torres is outraged by their polluting ways. She harangues a middle management type, Fesek, for his role in what's going on. He's at least somewhat receptive.

Disaster strikes. Torres and Fesek are in a race against the clock to stop a total meltdown. As the story progresses Torres continues to press Fesek about his society's shortcomings. He becomes more and more sympathetic to her POV. As the show gains momentum and the tension increases, it becomes apparent that Fesek isn't just being influenced by Torres - he's also being affected by the radiation.

The episode's climax takes place when Torres and Fesek make it to their destination. Fesek has become unhinged due to radiation poisoning. He is both mentally and physically damaged. He has taken Torres' advice about the need for societal change and combined it with his own pain and rage. He sees the faults in Malon society, and blames it for "forcing" him into a job where he has been harmed and has done great harm to others. Instead of preventing the meltdown, he believes that the only way the Malon will change is if they feel the consequences of their own selfish actions - he's going to let the reactor explode.

Torres finally recognizes the wisdom of what Tuvok told her in the opening scene, She realizes that her anger, which she had thought of as "a useful tool" for most of the episode, is nothing more than emotional toxic waste; waste with which she has polluted Fesek.

Our Trekkian ending: Torres does not, I repeat, does NOT beat Fesek with a rod to solve her problem. Instead, she talks him down. She opens up about her life and explains how her uncontrolled anger has hurt her and hurt the people she loves. She convinces Fesek that the best way to fight for change is to go public with what has happened to himself and let the people know what their pollution is doing to others. In the end, he agrees.

/cue sonic shower scene

Better? I don't know. But it did allow me to kill some time on a lazy Saturday morning.
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Bob (a different one)
Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 12:21pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Juggernaut

The moral of tonight's story: "If you suffer from uncontrollable rage, it's ok, because most of life's problems can be solved by beating someone to death with a rod."

B'Ehlanna is angry! What an interesting, fresh character development.

So the Malon are the "scourge of the quadrant"? Not the Borg, not the Vidiians -it's the race of mutated garbage men that are the REAL threat.

I thought Voyager was going to give the Malon some environmental tech after "Night"? Was that ever mentioned again?

Why is Neelix shoehorned into this episode?

Wouldn't having the ability to dump toxic waste into any nearby star solve all of the Melon's disposal needs? I know the producers wanted to do a show with an environmental message, but they did absolutely nothing to establish the Malon as a believable society.

Skuffle notes: "This monster business. It's ridiculous. The Malon have heard of this 'mythical' creature before, and some even claimed to have seen it! Oh my! But wouldn't they notice a psychotic mutated crewman on the ship when they got home? Or notice that one of their core workers was missing? The fact that this happens to some of their crew and they don't know about it is beyond stupid."
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Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 12:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Manhunt

@David in MN

Thanks - that's good to know. It was weirding me out.
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