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Mark
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 7:24am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: The Child

I. Ian Andrew would have been a far more interesting character if he could have had more time on the show. Sadly, this was before DS9 brought serialization to Trek. Can you imagine him living out a lifetime in one season.

II. Dr. Pulaski was my favorite nextgen era doctor. Bashir irritated me, and I only liked Crusher when she was coldbloodedly gunning something down with a phaser. I actually liked Wesley better than her.

III. Solution to plague problem:
1. Find a star.
2. Go to star.
3. Beam the growing plasma plague specimen into star, reducing it to ions.

IV. I liked the beard too.
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James
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 5:57am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Funny how things have changed. "You have no social skills" and "you have no sense of humor" and "get a life" have all been used to attack Trek fans in decades past.

Which makes you think.. maybe things haven't changed much at all?
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Admiral Nechayev
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 5:51am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Descent, Part I

It's impressive how after the years passing people started to develop a natural dislike for this episode when in the early years they used to like it.

The story is good on paper but terribly executed they ruined the Borg, Lore and basically showed us Picard being a complete idiot by giving command to a doctor and leaving the ship with a skeleton crew just to search for a mentality unstable android.

One the biggest problems with the episode that there is no dark atmospher in it just like how The Best of Both World was or Redemption everything was bright and happy.
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Nolan
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 4:52am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Yeah, I thought us Classic Trek Only fans were supposed to be the entitled, never pleased, angry and rude crowd. While the nuTrek fans were accepting, always pleased and understanding? What the heck guys, don't assign us a broad stereotyped view and then walk all over the turf you just gave us. I mean geez. Pick a lane.

Jammer's had a busy life since before the Kelvin movies. This is a HOBBY for him, one that he finds hard to make time for. It's his choice and his site. Ya can't bully him (yes, bully) into reviewing the show you like because "but it has Star Trek in the title." That's not how the world works. Just because something is labelled a certain way does not make it worthy, worthwhile, or good. It has to have the credentials and have done the work to back that label up. Plenty obviously think that Lower Decks, and even nuTrek as a whole, doesn't have much behind it's label.
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John
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 4:43am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Maybe the reason some posters have suspicions of the new posters who have suddenly appeared with high praise for the episode, is from comments like "it appeals to a wide audience". That is how executives and corporations think. And what's with all the personal attacks? I can't think of a single reason to be so defensive about the first episode of a show you have no investment in.
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Booming
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 4:00am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Maybe the Nu-Trekkers should just move to some reddit safe space. You come in here insult people, insult the guy who made this page just for not reviewing it, and then say that your life was changed forever by this stuff.
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Guiding Light
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 3:55am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

@Lee: I don't get it. It is Star Trek and this is a Star Trek review site. By not reviewing it, Jammer - involuntarily, I'm sure - just needlessly opens up the "what is and isn't Trek" can of worms. I wish he'd reconsider and maybe find somebody who reviews the series so that it is represented here on the site properly.
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PM
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 3:26am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

P.S. @Lee: agreed
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PM
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 3:24am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I laughed until my feet hurt and I couldn't inhale.

But somehow, in only 26 minutes (which felt like 8) this episode managed to also convey the grandest parts of 55 years of Star Trek world-building, while also poking justified fun at nearly all of it, nearly all the time.

Possibly the most innovative take on the franchise ever.

Definitely the cutest Star Trek series.

A near perfect premiere.

...People with poor social skills will probably hate it.
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Sen-Sors
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 3:11am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I second that; I feel like I should never comment on new Trek again because I could never top that post.
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Ari Paul
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 3:07am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Masks

This is a guilty pleasure of mine. I just like the imagery and music. It's a cool combo to have the Indiana jones feel mixed with TNG. It's just nice to have the episode playing in the background without having to get into it too much, nice ambiance.


There are a few episodes like this in trek that by themselves are pretty boring, but their tone and music and overall feel is soothing.

It soothes me.
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SlackerInc
Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 1:16am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

This comment section has been an even better read than normal. Wolfstar, I want to particularly give your comment a shoutout because although I didn’t necessarily agree with everything you said, it was extremely thought-provoking and very well written.
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HaveGunWillRiker
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 11:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Frankly as far as ST pilots go its probably top 30% imo

Under "The Emissary" and "Where No Man..."

I'd put it over Caretaker, Farpoint, The Cage, and probably Broken Bow

And if nothing else it was easily the most endearing of the bunch. I think I'm sold on modern cartoon ST, even if I'm in the minority. Very excited and I wish I could just binge the series now.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 11:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

If I don't like something, I'm not upset that others like it.

So .... why do you get worked up that others dislike what you like?

I never understood that thought process: "They don't like this?! How can this be? Why ... there must be something wrong with them. Maybe they have no soul or no joy? Hmmm, yeah,, that's it. They're bad human beings, I bet! Now, armed with nothing but that assumption, I should vocally denounce them (while also attacking the man providing the space for debate)".

Ad hominem attacks might be trendy right now, but I don't think people are impressed by them anymore.

Anyone can be rude as fuck, just saying.

Must be a very polarizing episode. I'm dreading this, haha.
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Lee
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Bummer y’all can’t enjoy shit. The first ep was fantastic fun. Absurdist humor in the Trek universe is a fantastic angle to take and lends itself to a lot of fun “what if?” scenarios I’ve wondered about watching Trek for years.

Such a sad, miserable existence y’all have, or Jammer for not even being willing to check it out.

Lolol
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Orshko
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:40pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: The 37's

2 Missed opportunities in this episode:

1) A moral dilemma - If these are humans, then isn't the Federation responsible in some way to their future well being? They could have played the prime directive in reverse here by asking "Since they're humans, shouldn't we share all of Earth's history and tech development so they'll learn and survive, and be ready for the day the Federation will eventually spread to the Delta quadrant? but then will it count as interfering with primitive cultures even if their our own?" And what if the technology will fall to some alien invader and be used to shift the balance of power throughout the quadrant? Maybe leave some personnel behind to guide them and make the best of it, and so forth.

2) The old problem of non-serialized episodes - Bringing on board new people who want to go to earth (and the moral question of: do we have the right to deny humans this request) could've refreshed the crew dynamics with out of time humans, same as the integration of the Maquis and Neelix. Voyager should've had far more diverse passengers coming in and out of the secondary cast to spice things up.
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IGotBannedForLess
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I’d watch ST:OB
This place still sucks
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Gooz
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 8:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Just want to add one personal reason to the many great reasons noted above for not watching this show: there is a zero chance that this show’s timeline will intersect that of Keiko O’Brien, missing the opportunity for the show to do some fan service by killing her off.

I’d subscribe to CBS all access if they create ST:OB (O’Brien), where some terrorists kidnap Keiko, and Miles and Molly get commissioned by star fleet to save her. They spend the first few episodes trying to find her, then realize they’re happier without her, and use that star fleet resources and ship to go exploring the universe. Each episode would start and end with shots of Keiko wasting away in a dark, dirty cell, getting skinnier each episode, while Miles and Molly create fake progress reports to headquarters.

Miles would have to shape up and lose a whole lotta weight, though. I don’t think anyone wants to see some fat dude stretching out his uniform episode after episode (was hard enough seeing fat Riker in ST:P).
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Daz
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 7:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Eye of the Beholder

Just watched the latest Ryan's Intakes which was hilarious and features a scene from this episode. It prompted me to then watch the episode itself right away! It's been a while but I actually like the weirdness of it all! The acting could be better... esp Ensign Kwan's gf! Heartless b***** much? Lol! And it's so cool to see the inside of a nacelle! The empathic echo sounds nonsensical but truth be told I've come across worse technobabble.
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Dirk
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 7:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Blaze of Glory

A great big WHOLE CARES from me. Don't like Eddington, didn't buy the scene where Sisko was going to let them be destroyed. I guess the rest of the cast were on vacation? Big boring waste.
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Dark Kirk
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 6:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S1: Broken Bow

Just re-watched the pilot. Two things really irritated me that no one seemed to discuss. The first was the Temporal Cold War, because seriously??!! They're exploring space for the first time and that worn-out plot device is what you introduce??!! Even to the main character? The 2nd thing is Hoshi and Archer's dialogue in the Klingon capital, after Klaang completes the mission. The Klingon chancellor or whoever says something to Archer, and Archer says "I'll take that as a thank-you." Hoshi says "I don't think they have a word for Thank You." He asks what he said and she says "You don't want to know." What a lazy, cliche response! We know the Klingons, come up with something! How about "Drink well your enemies' blood" That sounds Klingon. Then Archer could have looked at Hoshi astonished, and she would shrug and respond "That's what he said!"
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Dave in MN
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 5:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I haven't watched it (yet), so I haven't checked the comments stream in a couple days. I'm trying to be as fair as I can and avoid spoilers.

I had to scroll down to find the comments box (you know how it is) and I'm surprised by all the names I didn't recognize.

Either this show is bringing in a while new crowd of commenters or there's some kind of organized campaign going on. It'll be fascinating to find out which logical possibility is the truth. (If Lower Decks does actually suck, then that's my consolation prize: at least here, the comment section drama is guaranteed to be entertaining/hilarious).

I'll try to watch it tonight.
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Focksbot
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 5:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Cogenitor

I award this episode 4 stars, 3 of them for the episode itself and an extra one for provoking the most entertaining discussion I've yet read on this website. Andy's Friend is quite the character, and Eliot was on blistering form all those years ago.

On the episode itself, count me among those who were let down by the ending. I'm a firm believer that the best Star Trek episodes are the ones where characters make controversial decisions that leave people on both sides of the debate dissatisfied, so I don't have a problem with Archer's decision. What strikes me as odd, both from a structural perspective and with balance in mind, is that the writers have Archer give Trip a *second* major dressing down when he hasn't done anything wrong since the last one.

I do think the intention is to show that Archer is wracked with guilt and taking it out on Trip, but it doesn't quite come off for me. Nobody brings up the fact that it was Archer's decision that directly led to the death of the cogenitor, and that seems a very important element of the story.

Once again, I do find myself marvelling at people reacting with disgust toward either Archer or Trip. The whole reason it's a good episode is because the moral conundrum it envisages is extremely difficult to resolve. It's not a simple case of respecting another culture's customs *or* standing up for what's 'right' - *both* of these are considerations that have to be given due weight. The problem with Trip going in half-cocked is that he didn't consider the repercussions. If someone is a slave, oppressed to the extent that the cogenitor was, of course it is going to be torturous to give them only the briefest a glimpse of a better life. Liberating a society from outside of it requires a plan, or else you can make things worse, as we should all have learned by now.

On the other hand, the arguments some have made for a policy of total noninterference are unrealistic and strange. Morality as a concept simply doesn't exist unless you are applying it universally. If you regard your own system of ethics as merely parochial, then it isn't a system of ethics - it's just etiquette.

When we encounter alien cultures - be they actual aliens or not - the reason why we try to show respect and to withhold judgement on matters of ethics is (a) because it helps to establish trust and conviviality, which is a practical necessity, and (b) because we concede that our own views of morality may, in some respects, be shortsighted, that we may yet have more to learn.

And when I say 'we' here, I really mean any culture or species that has evolved any sense of morality at all, since I can't really see how any such culture or species would go about it a different way.
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Mr Peepers
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 5:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Perfect Mate

This episode just confirms that Picard will never be the Captain that Kirk was. Kirk knew about Captains prerogative, and took advantage of every chance to get some action from the weeks guest star hotty. Most likely off screen too.

On Picard's watch, all crew members are free to have relationships with the inhabitants of whatever ship or planet they interact with. Picard himself said all crew members are free to have relationships with whomever they want, but he blocks Framke when she wants to do the same thing. Picard had more than a stiff upper lip with this woman. Yeah she was promised to some old ambassador, but it wasn't his business to restrict her. I never saw him putting moral values on Okona, who, according to Worf, was reportedly seen in several crew women's quarters. He even C-Blocked Wesley when he tried to hook up with the Dauphin But Riker was allowed to put the moves on the trans woman/man.

I can't enjoy an episode when the Captain is so hypocritical when it comes to short term relationships. They wasted the entire episode trying to keep this woman confined. More puzzling, is why they just didn't put her back in stasis or a medical induced coma if they didn't want her interacting with anyone?
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Guiding Light
Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 5:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Boomer, actually I came here to say that I love that Star Trek is finally doing new things and is willing to question the very problematic foundations it is built upon. (Colonialism, machismo, a mostly white, mostly male, mostly straight, mostly binary world-view.)

I'm sorry that this makes you mad, but I certainly don't hate Star Trek. Otherwise I would hardly be so positive about all the wonderful shows we've been getting in the last few years and the shows they're still working on (Section 31, New Frontiers).
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