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Broley
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: The War Without, The War Within

hey jammer,

i didn't like this episode after the mirror universe aventure. too much quiet, i am not sure on the "story" of this episode. lorca was a bad person, we learn last episode, and now burnham is still on Discovery? she should be in prison, no? lorca wanted her to stay on Discovery. i am happy she is not but it doesnt make sense.

i like the conversation with stamets and tyler, and the scene with tyler and others coming to his table. short but good moments. everything else was in disorder however.

salutations,
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Jason R.
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Shades of Gray

"Have you ever given an oak tree a cold by sneezing on it? Sounds ridiculous, right? To catch a disease from a never before encountered alien lifeform is exponentially more unlikely."

In real life this is certainly true, which makes the idea of contagion or infection from alien life forms you often see in scifi (or parasitism like in the Alien movies) especially implausible. We would almost certainly have nothing to fear from an alien organism at the microbial. Even at the macro level an alien predator probably wouldn't even recognize us as something to eat let alone try to eat us. And if they did our foreign chemistry would probably make us as nutritious to them as rocks would be to us!

But to be fair this is Star Trek, where half the galaxy is populated by so-called "humanoid" aliens who are almost indistinguishable biologically, such that they can even breed with us the idea of cross species infection is more plausible.
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Chrome
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 11:06am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Haven

@Springy

"Some fun moments. I wonder if Picard ever really does have a few wandering sexual thoughts about Lwaxana. We'll never know."

I think it's implicit he does have those kinds of thoughts - at least if we take some of the comments Lwaxana has about Picard's feelings seriously. And you're right, we'll never know if we can take those comments at face value. Of course, in terms of a romance these two are about as far away in compatibly as, I think, two people could get. I always liked the Picard-Crusher shipping, and (possible spoilers) it's more-or-less stated that they'd be together if it weren't for what happened between Picard and Jack Crusher.
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Gaius Maximus
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 10:10am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Shades of Gray

@Peremensoe - I realize I'm several years late here and the original commenter will probably never read this, but I had to point out the appalling misunderstanding of biology in this comment just for my own peace of mind.

The epidemics of smallpox, measles, and other Old World diseases among the inhabitants of the Americas are in no way comparable to what happened in this episode. As Dutchstudent clearly said, viruses and bacteria cannot effect species they are not adapted to. Key word: species. Europeans and Native Americans are not different species! Smallpox, measles, etc, had been adapting to the human species in Eurasia and Africa for millennia before they were brought to America, where they encountered absolutely ideal conditions for a disease, a large population of a species they were adapted to that had no prior exposure to them. That's why those epidemics were so devastating.

The situation in episode is in no way comparable. It's explicitly stated that the Enterprise crew are the first humans to land on the planet, so nothing on the planet would have had a chance to adapt to humans. Without prior exposure, the chances of a bacteria or virus being able to infect or even interact with a human's system would be extremely low. Have you ever given an oak tree a cold by sneezing on it? Sounds ridiculous, right? To catch a disease from a never before encountered alien lifeform is exponentially more unlikely.
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JLo
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 7:21am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Juggernaut

I just finished rewatching this episode, and honestly, ignoring the obvious plot holes in terms of the broader show, I found it to be very enjoyable as a kind of old school action/thriller/sci-fi episode, elevated by a great atmosphere and environment, consistent tension, and very good acting by Dawson as B'Elanna of course, but also by guest star Ron Canada as Fesek. For a race that generally hasn't been that interesting on this show, he really helps to almost make them fully compelling. His presence was one of my favorite parts of this episode. But all in all, great entertainment taken on its own.
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RandomThoughts
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 6:05am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

Hello Everyone

From the time I watched this first run, to the last time a couple of years ago, I always thought the way he malevolently said "peaceful co-existence" meant that was the last thing they wanted. He said it to mock the Feds, not offer the hand (heh) of peace. Federation sentient beings were taken over and at least one ship was destroyed along the way, with the loss of all hands. This was an invasion, pure and simple, and they stopped it.

I do recall being a bit surprised they made it all explody, instead of beaming it to a holding cell, but I think it is a case of shoot first/remove the threat, and figure out the rest later.

Regards... RT
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Booming
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:58am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Afterimage

Totally, bros before dead wife hoes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQEEh0Z20o
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Eric S
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:55am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Take Me Out to the Holosuite

Rom was more annoying than usual in this one. Seriously, can’t even throw a ball?? I just wish there was an episode where Rom would get shot by the Jem’hadar with anticoagulant rifle and die slowly like Quique Muñiz in episode “Starship Down”.
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Eric S
Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 12:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Afterimage

I seriously hate how everyone has to accommodate Worf’s or the Klingons’ feelings/culture/customs etc... Worf should’ve been charged with assault. Who cares what Worf wants, if Julian wants to tap that a**, then he can. Afterwards, O’Brian goes to see “what’s bothering Worf” to make him feel better. Chief!! Worf just assaulted your best mate.
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Springy
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 11:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Haven

Watching and commenting:

--The legendary Lwaxana makes her auspicious debut! Wow, that's some message for Deanna. Gems literally spill out of it.

--Wyatt seems sweet. I like him better than Riker already.

--Ah, I love this bit with Lwaxana's luggage being so heavy. Yep, she comes with heavy baggage.

--Lots of stuff about past agreements and obligations.

--A Tarellian ship, a spectre from the past, appears. They thought the threat was gone 8 yrs ago, but surprise! It's back like a forgotten fiance.

--Frakes' acting, as a jealous ex, is cringy. Looks like Riker's old feelings for Deanna are back like a forgotten Tarellian ship.

--Weird story. Destiny, future, moving forward despite the tractor beam of the past.

--Some fun moments. I wonder if Picard ever really does have a few wandering sexual thoughts about Lwaxana. We'll never know.

Average ep. Kept me entertained.
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Booming
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 10:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

@ Luke
As Jammer writes, this is more like X-FIles in a Star Trek setting. That is probably the reason why there is no follow up episode. We never know what happened to that species. Maybe the Federation is now lead by brain parasites...
The Klingon War, The Dominion War are all just in our parasite infested brains.
It is also kind of true that they are a threat but annihilating them seems a little harsh.
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Mary
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 10:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Fascination

I agree with you, Springy! I winced quite a lot of the time watching Keiko and Miles, but she is not a harpy. They are both strong-willed people, and they have differences, but they truly love each other. The realism of their relationship was contrasted with the craziness going on around them. I like both of them, and their marriage.

And I actually enjoyed this episode. The one element that makes ME cringe is actually Lwaxana Troi and the way she treats Odo. Someone further up in the comments said she basically harasses him. It's true. And it's a pity, because their previous encounter showed her capable of being kind, discreet, and even wise.

But, for the rest, this was a light episode that often made me smile, and that had a truly loving marriage at its core. I'd probably rate it 2 or 2.5 stars.
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Alex99a
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 8:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: The Killing Game

You guys should light up every now and then... this two-parter was just fun. Granted it made no sense in a lot of places, but come on... Klingons fighting nazis! Seven Of Nine and her holy holographic hand grenade! How often do you get stuff like that?
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Luke
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 7:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

There are a couple problems with your analysis.

1.) Star Trek always uses the term "race" to refer to different alien species. It is rather surprising that the word "species" is almost never used. But it is a remarkably consistent tract across the entire franchise. I think you're reading too much into that aspect.

2.) "There was No reason that such an intelligent alien would make up such a lame excuse." That's just bad writing, not some grand scheme on the part of the writers. This is Star Trek, after all. Are you really saying that the grand statement is "you should be racist"? In Star Trek? In TNG Season One? The one season where Roddenberry himself had the most creative control?

3.)"...as Remmick dies he explains they seek peaceful coexistence..." Couldn't he just be lying? They obviously not seek peaceful coexistence if they are forcibly taking over people and using them to institute an even grander invasion plan.

4.) "They take no prisoners, make no effprt to seek out and discover more about this fascinating, intelligent, brand new life form from so far away." An intelligent, brand new life form which was trying to enslave them. What were they supposed to do? Let themselves be enslaved? Does all a conquering enemy really have to do is say "we're really you're friends" and all is well?
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Name
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 7:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

Who else thought the only shocking thing about this episode was the message of racism? No, i don’t throw the term around freely and I would love to be convinced otherwise. In college literature classes we were taught to look for the writer’s intended message in a sentence or two, the key “word” being “race” here. Not once do they refer to the alien species as anything other than “races”. When compromised Quinn tries to convince Picard that his real issue was how hard it is to recruit other “races” in the federation it does stand awkward and out of place, but it’s the first sneaky clue the writers give us about the real message. There was No reason that such an intelligent alien would make up such a lame excuse. Moving on, when Tyrla speaks to Picard and he asks “What race are you” finally as Remmick dies he explains they seek peaceful coexistence, but in Very atypical to the Star Trek fashion, they kill this most intelligent alien race! They take no prisoners, make no effprt to seek out and discover more about this fascinating, intelligent, brand new life form from so far away. The message therefore, i deduce is one against allowing other races to come in freely and rise among the ranks. Again, i would love to be proven otherwise. I was trying to understand the hidden message behind this extremely cheesy 80’s sci-fi ep and could not find anything else. But this Is Star Trek, even the cheesiest eps have a message in them. Long rant anyway LLAP
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Chess
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 5:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: Enterprise to be revamped as 'ultimate' reality series

Star Trek: Shock et. al. (Hehehe)
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Chrome
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 5:40pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

@DataMat

I really enjoyed reading your comment and I agree with most of your points. It's funny, I tried to look for some commentary or discussion about Voyager ending and all I could really find is that Brannon Braga had stepped down as the showrunner to work on Enterprise and all the other Treks-of-the-time had seven seasons so it was a natural ending place for Voyager, production-wise.

It would have indeed been interesting if they'd brought Voyager back sooner in order to provide closure to more Earth story threads the show had created up until then. I wonder if the problem wasn't that they couldn't really count on a weekly audience for Voyager like they could for DS9, so trying to make the story semi-serialized at this point would confuse the viewers. Perhaps they tried to do the best of both worlds by giving some of the Earth story threads like the Pathfinder project continuity while keeping Voyager in the DQ until the very last moment. Of course, if Braga were here now, I'd imagine he'd say something like "We wanted this series to be completely different from other Trek shows, so we thought our energy was better spent keeping Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, dealing with new and exciting adventures rather than mired in the same stories of TNG." Well, maybe he would be right, I can't really say without more info!

I'll say one thing in defense of Voyager, however, about the Borg Queen. The Queen was established in the TNG movies and Voyager basically had to run with the concept because it was canon. Notably, Trek's showrunners too wrestled with the introduction the Queen but decided it had to be done:

"The existence of the Borg Queen was a controversial change made to the Borg during the writing of Star Trek: First Contact. While the writers had intended to stay true to the original concept of the Borg as a collective hive, they found it difficult to maintain the dramatic impact of villains without a central face. Thus, they created the Queen. In the film, she claimed to have been present during the events of "The Best of Both Worlds", which in retrospect would appear to have negated the reason for Picard's assimilation in that episode (it was claimed that the Borg needed a single representative to speak for them)."
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MadBaggins
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Scientific Method

I meant to type "score". Don't @ me.
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MadBaggins
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 4:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Scientific Method

Ridiculously low core by Jammy. He starts about ten different sentences with "I must admit I enjoyed..." and the review is mostly positive, but gives it 1.5 because someone said "DNA" at one point.
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DataMat
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 3:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

Voyager just wasn't scoring enough in the ratings. It's as factual as it gets as to the reasons why Voyager abruptly ends like it does here. But it's not that simple.

I'd argue that the writers have to take a lot of the blame for all this.
The Voyager writers, producers, whoever, they didn't plan for Voyager getting home at all, clearly. They tried to simply do a two-part episode that really should have been more like a six-part epic that leads to Voyager returning 'home'.
I feel that this episode should have at least been the Season 6 finale.
Season 7 could have been an opportunity to explore the aftermath and to explore ideas relating to what returning home actually means for all these characters.
I see no reason why that would have been boring. I think it would have been an exciting change of pace, and would have allowed for more resolute ending.
Hell, the Borg could still be a feature for this hypothetical season back in the Alpha Quadrant. Don't think the Borg would be going quietly for sure.

Season 7 had some good episodes in the TNG spirit but to be absolutely honest Voyager was totally squandered as a premise by this point.
The writers had given up even trying. "Endgame" plays like a rerun of "All Good Things" to just tee-up the TNG honor worship this series has been.

Also, the Borg in this episode now resemble nothing of what they originally appeared to be back in TNG. The Queen even refers to herself as "I" and seems to literally be a ruler that is guiding the Borg collective rather than speaking with it.
That wasn't even explored really. Is the Queen some sort of Individual separate from the Borg Drones, or what? It's all just not answered.
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Chrome
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 10:08am (UTC -5)
Re: Vote to Rename Voyager

Star Trek: UPN Deal, Star Trek: High Concepts, and Star Trek: Really Bad Trailers are among my favorites.
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Walrus1701D
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 10:00am (UTC -5)
Re: Vote to Rename Voyager

Star Trek: Sparks Fly
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Booming
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 9:07am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Brother

Farell's acting improved significantly over time but she started as a model and through that became an actor. Her character was fairly pleasing. A beautiful wise young woman who kicks ass and likes to have fun. Pretty easy to like.
SMG's role on the other hand...
SMG wanted to be an actor from the start and it shows. Her acting isn't great but it is far better than Farell's during the first two seasons. Farell's was so wooden. I watched her acting back then and immediately thought: she must have been a model turned actor.
By the way here is the review from Red Letter media about season 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SHhySoXDcA
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someguy
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 6:38am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Latent Image

This episode has one of my favorite Tuvok quotes:
"There is some logic to your logic."
I swear I heard him or another Vulcan say that somewhere else, but Google only brings up this episode.
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Cody B
Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 5:34am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S2: Brother

@Booming @Yanks

I’m not sure Sonequa Martin Green IS a better actress than Terry Farrell. She certainly makes more faces. But I think Terry played her part perfect to the point I couldn’t imagine anyone else in that role. SMG? I don’t think I can say the same
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