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Booming
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 5:31am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/39d22a86-5f1b-49b6-8c8b-6afacf58c3fc
I feel like somebody just performed a jedi mind trick on me?!
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Trent
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 4:05am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

New interview with Akiva Goldsman:

https://trekmovie.com/2021/09/14/interview-akiva-goldsman-on-q-the-borg-queen-and-what-season-2-of-star-trek-picard-is-all-about/

Q: Can you give an update on the Picard production? You’re done with season two and then moving on to season three?

A: Season three starts the day after season two wraps.

Q: So did you have all of season two written by late in 2020?

A: No.

Q: You were still writing season two this year?

A: Yes

Q: You did once say your biggest lesson learned from season one was crafting the season as a whole to make sure stuff pays off.

A: Yes. I can’t answer whether or not we learned it because I haven’t seen the rough cuts yet of the last two episodes [of season two].

Q: But there were efforts made.

A: Oh, yes, for sure.

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Tidd
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 2:54am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S5: Silicon Avatar

Can’t believe the Enterprise didn’t warp straight out of there to stop the attack on the Entity.

Can’t believe I wasted 45 minutes on this unconvincing, poorly conveyed hooey, especially after the intelligent real-politik of Ensign Ro.

1.5 stars. “Next…”
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Jeffery's Tube
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 2:04am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: LD S2: An Embarrassment of Dooplers

I noticed Mariner had her sleeves rolled up too, and yes, I think it's a nice bit of attention to detail. Also, the Cerritos crew's dress uniforms were slightly different from the Titan-style dress uniforms we saw in the TNG movies and DS9, which were also seen in this episode. So even for the dress uniforms, they're sticking to two different uniforms depending on the class of ship. More consistency and attention to detail.

I have no idea about the white shoes being a reference to the goof with Bashir's tennis shows (they didn't think his feet would be seen in the shot--oops!), but seeing as how they're only worn by the blue Sciences division, I'd certainly believe it, haha. I'd just figured it was because they look better with the blue uniforms than black boots, but maybe wouldn't look good with red or yellow uniforms.
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Booming
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:19am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

I want to add that Picard had a problem with captain picard day because he doesn't like (to be around) children. There are several scenes where he accepts praise for deeds/things he finds praiseworthy like playing the flute or his archeological collection.

Furthermore, Picard is unwilling to influence possibly huge parts of a culture, not because of false modesty/humility but because of the fact that he has a very limited understanding of the culture and certainly cannot predict how they will react to him literally playing god. For example because of the Sodom and Gomorrah story homosexuals are thrown off buildings 2600 years later. Probably not what the early Jews intended when they came up with that story. Who knows what would happen with the interpretations of "The Picard"

I'm reading a fantastic book right now called "the Afghanistan Papers" (which should be mandatory reading for the next 100 years in the USA, maybe everywhere where people dream of invasions) and it shows how easy it is to screw up when your understanding of a culture is limited.
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Jaxon
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:18am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S5: Nothing Human

Jammer said:

"We wouldn't have a convenient Bajoran crew member (where did he come from, and where has he been for the last four years?)"

We suddenly had Bajoran crew members three times, that were seen once and never again.

Learning Curve, here, and Good Shepherd".
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Jaxon
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:06am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S5: Infinite Regress

Jack said:

"The midnight snacker ate an animal leg Neelix was saving for some ensign's birthday, but with Voyager's compliment, someone on Voyager is likely having a birthday every three or four days...is it really that special?"

On that...unless Neelix replicated an animal leg only to store it in the fridge, which seems odd, it really is an animal leg. When did the crew go hunting?
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Bok R'Mor
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 1:04am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: LD S2: An Embarrassment of Dooplers

@Jeffrey's Tube

Yes! I found the skant joke quite clever and nicely unexpected too.

Also noticed that when Mariner put on her white dress uniform, her sleeves were rolled up (as always with her). While presumably an obvious breach of dress uniform protocol, it was a nice touch in-keeping with the character (that or they simply re-coloured an existing arm template... although given the attention to detail in LD I'll go with the former).

Isn't the white footwear on the Cerritos (which continued while they had the dress uniforms on, incidentally) meant to be a reference to the white footwear inadvertantly seen on Bashir in TNG's 'Birthright'?
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Trish
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 10:50pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@Peter G.

And I suppose in the end, Picard is what the writers made him, and he "did" whatever the writers say he did.

Also, I just wanted to correct myself. Captain Picard Day was not in "Disaster." It was in "The Pegasus."
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Peter G.
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 10:17pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

@ Trish,

An interesting idea, to further break the Prime Directive for a beneficent aim. While TNG is much more adamant about the PD being about total and absolute non-interference, in TOS it seems to me it was more a repudiation of the Cold War practice of manipulating weaker nations/planets in the false guise of the greater good. Kirk and the Enterprise did seem able to visit and even negotiate with 'primitive' worlds all the time, without having to avoid them due to lacking warp drive. Examples of this are the Capellans in Friday's Child, Kirk's friend and his people in A Private Little War, and others. And I think Kirk would not have been above your idea, Trish, of using his soapbox to give a friendly word of advice to a younger world. Back in the world of TOS, it doesn't even seem like this would be a prohibited or questionable thing to do, provided it was just words spoken as a friend. In the TNG world, of course it's a serious breach of the Federation's most sacred law.

You reminded me of the other thread with the "what would Kirk have done" side topic, and honestly this is something that I have thought of from time to time over the years. One good thing about Picard is that he's very different from Kirk. I wouldn't go as far as to say Picard is flawed, but more that as the examplar of a particular way of seeing life, he is simply incapable of relaxing his self-imposed outward dignity (which is reminiscent of the British navy stiff upper lip). From this standpoint, his inflexibility is more of a feature than a bug, and he could no more accept a little worship than Kirk could become a celibate monk. Not to dispute your idea of what would have been good for the Mintakans, but that would have to have been some other guy in Picard's place to do that. It's his impenetrability to what he perceives as impropriety that makes him the guy we respect. This is one of the reasons I was irked by PIC, incidentally, because trying to pick apart his character and show how it's flawed is sort of like writing an essay to prove that alll role models can be deconstructed and disassembled. So what if that's true, why would I want to do that even if I could?

So I guess what I'm saying is I'm satisfied with Picard being the stick in the mud he was :)
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The Chronek
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:14pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: BSG S4: Blood on the Scales

Great observations on this episode, whether you thought this was a classic or not.

I know Jammer mentioned it already, but I'll reiterate: if you can, look up Maureen Ryan's BSG writeups in the Chicago Tribune from early 2009. She had a very dedicated, smart following of commenters, and Richard Hatch himself made comments on her entries during the mutiny episodes. Those comments certainly showed that Hatch disagreed with the direction they took Zarek in the mutiny episodes. I didn't, and still don't, agree with Hatch, but I was interested to see his point of view and what he brought to the discussion.

I think the mutiny episodes were perfect. Humanity thought they would get to Earth, only for it to be a nuclear wasteland. The leaders had failed, and they knew it. And those who followed those leaders? Well, why continue to follow them if their efforts were for nothing?

Gaeta's transformation from loyal, idealistic officer who believes in the system to mutineer was perfect, as was Alessandro Juliani's performance. What has his loyalty got him? What has his belief got him? A burned-out planet, a lost leg, a near-execution by several folks who turned out to be Cylons. And yet, for all that, just enough belief, just enough goodness remains in him to order the weapons hold just as Adama and company retake CIC. It's a perfect response to Zarek's split-second decision to murder Laird in part one, showing how quick, incremental decisions can affect the outcome.

I don't mind Zarek being shown to be a ruthless jerk. He'd been previously portrayed as someone who would use violence to advance his own ends. Sure, he talked the talk of being a "man of the people," but he would often use violent means and excuse himself.

I don't think the episodes are necessarily character assassination on anyone. I think, especially the episodes from Sometimes a Great Notion through Blood on the Scales, are a fantastic exploration of what happens when leadership fails so completely. Roslin checked out, and why not? She thought her efforts were for nothing. Adama checked out partially, and largely for the same reasons as Roslin.

Four stars from me.
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SCLee
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 8:12pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TOS S1: What Are Little Girls Made Of?

At the risk of sounding like a horny adolescent, Andrea, daammnn! Did Shatner have a hand in creating the costume? Or the script? "Kiss me," indeed.

Two Kirk's in as many episodes!
The Styrofoam penis shaped rock is hilarious!
Ruk was quite the Adams' Family monster.

An entertaining 50 minutes with some interesting ideas about what it means to be human / an android.
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11001001
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 6:29pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: ENT S2: The Catwalk

One of the commenters above had to ask what was the point of T'Pol's "recollection" of the Vulcan ship (T'Plana) that had been destroyed with all hands by a similar storm a century prior. This demonstrates to me that in the rare cases where the writers on this show *do* manage some subtlety, it ends up eluding the audience! Since some people apparently need to have it spelled out: there's no way that T'Pol actually "misremembered" the fate of the T'Plana, any more than you or I would misremember what happened to the Titanic, or the Hindenburg. *Obviously* the reason why she brought it up in the first place was because they *asked* her if the Vulcans had any experience with this type of storm. And then *obviously* the reason why she told a white lie about the fate of the Vulcan ship was so as not to demoralize the Enterprise crew members too much about their chances, or to provoke undue fear amongst them. Her resulting explanation that she must have "misremembered" the fate of the ship was therefore actually a pretty cool line! It revealed surprising thoughtfulness on her part, and not for the first time.

Ironically, that thoughtfulness came right on the heels of her *not* doing a very good job of reassuring Archer about the plan and his decisions. He told her he was feeling nervous about shutting down the main reactor, and the only response she could come up with was to *reiterate* the reasons why they had to do so. Not even Archer is dumb enough that he needs to have that reiterated. He knows very well that this is the only logical course of action. And while being told that the risky thing you're you're doing is logical may be reassuring to a Vulcan, it's less so for a human. So even just within the span of this single episode, T'Pol's ability to demonstrate empathy and to reassure people is hit and miss. That's because she's still learning about humans, and doesn't necessarily *fully* understand what it means to keep ones emotions very much on the surface, and sometimes to be driven by them. That right there is surprising amount of nuance to her characterization (and is just about the only good thing I have to say about this episode).
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Trish
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 6:26pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

I find it interesting that in the first-season episode "Justice," as much as the Starfleet personnel disagree with the Edo system of jurisprudence and bristle in the face of the power of the Edo "God," nonetheless they accept that the Edo do worship the transdimensional ship above their planet, and when Data reports that the beings themselves are aware of the worship and consider it both natural and harmless at the Edo's current stage of development, PIcard shows no sign of disagreeing.

In Justice, what Picard DOES disagree with and actively discourages is the worship of himself. It strikes me as very like his discomfort with "Captain Picard Day" for the children in "Disaster." In light of these two episodes, his resistance in this one to being worshipped as "The Picard" strikes me as being more about himself than about the Mintakans, or at least more about himself than he is admitting (probably even to himself). I see this as a kind of false humility. Authentic humility acknowledges truth.

The Mintakans have made a logical inference based on their limited knowledge: The old beliefs, once thought backward, in beings unimaginably more powerful than themselves obviously have some truth to them. They are not incorrect in this assessment, even in-universe; the Federation really is technologically advanced beyond their current imagining.

Many natural events, too, could potentially have led them to make such an inference at some point, even if the accidental encounter with Starfleet had never occurred. If left to their own devices after that incident, I think they would ultimately have devised a fairly logical belief system around "The Picard." That is the road they are already on. Picard sees any such belief system as going backwards on that road, but there is no going backwards. This incident just put a twist in their road that would probably keep leading the same general direction. It happens.

False humility like Picard's also happens. Picard as a character is fairly idealized, and it's clear that he is often the mouthpiece for the writers' own opinions. But like all the best-written characters, he is fallible, and sometimes selfish. He is what he is. Given the other episodes I mentioned, I think it is quite consistent with his character to reject worship and to convince himself that this rejections is for the Mintakans' own good, rather than for his own.

I suspect the writing team also convinced themselves that what Picard was saying was right. That's why they had him say it. But sometimes, fictional characters do have a "life" of their own, and Picard is living that life here. I disagree with him. I think he should have taken the advice to accept the worship and tell people with the authority of his exalted position to be kind to each other, to live in peace with their neighbors (including neighbors who did not worship the Picard), and to trust whatever their observation and logic could tell them about the universe. In a thousand years, it's unlikely that such a twist in their road would have led very far from where they were already headed.
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Jeffery's Tube
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 6:10pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: LD S2: An Embarrassment of Dooplers

Speaking of uniform humor as we have been over the last few episodes, the "skant" jokes got a huge laugh out of me. "Nobody wears those anymore!" I really wish Mariner and Boimler had put them on after all, haha.

Also the Ceti Alpha IV/V joke was pretty great. If I hadn't just recently re-watched Wrath of Khan I'm not sure I would have caught it, but it still would have been a humorous exchange to hear. The writers of this show REALLY love Star Trek. There's never any question of that, to me.
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Bok R'Mor
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 2:52pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: VOY S5: Gravity

Really enjoyed this. The premise of being stranded on an inhospitable desert planet trapped on the other side of a wormhole-like anomaly with a time distortion was inventive enough for me, but obviously the Tuvok-Noss relationship was what made the episode.

I've always been a massive fan of Tim Russ' (for me) consistently perfect portrayal of Vulcan rigour, but he truly outdoes himself here. Utterly outstanding. Lori Petty does an excellent job as well - and that final farewell scene in the transporter room is astoundingly well-played by both. There's that one moment, when Noss reaches out only to retract her hand in sudden realisation, that is sublime in how much it says with so little. Perfect.

I have two very minor criticisms about the rest of the episode that I cannot shake. Firstly, Paris comes across as thoroughly obnoxious in browbeating Tuvok into confessing the feelings that Paris states Tuvok has. It becomes one long invasive, distasteful harangue of Tuvok - let Tuvok have his privacy, good God!

Secondly, it seemed a little unethical to me that Voyager didn't attempt in any way to rescue the other stranded aliens. Of course, they'd been repeatedly attacking Tuvok, Noss and the Doctor - but at the same time they're all abandoned to be crushed to death with nary a qualm. It just felt wrong.

That side, a great episode with an engaging plot, intriguing characterisation and a very moving ending. I was afraid the writers would kill Noss off, and I was pleasantly relieved they didn't indulge in such lazy, forced tragedy cliché. The actual ending was all the more memorable and meaningful for being so bittersweet and, well, logical. Top work from Russ, Petty and all involved!
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11001001
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 1:58pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: ENT S2: The Seventh

Everybody's talking about how T'Pol could have used the stun setting on Jossen and avoided this whole dilemma, but that's hardly the most problematic absence of stun setting in this episode. As others have pointed out, we just don't have enough info about the past incident to really judge. Maybe she was caught off guard with weapon stuck on a higher setting. Maybe Vulcan particle beam weapons in the 22nd century didn't even have a stun capability.

No, the most problematic absence of stun setting in this episode is *at the present day*, the *entire time* that they had Menos in custody. They could have saved themselves *so* much hassle if they had just shot the bastard in the first place (stunning him).

- They could have stunned him while they were holding him at the bar, waiting for the landing pad to open. That way, he wouldn't have been able to start a fire

- They could have stunned him *before* removing his hand restraints in order to save him from the burning table

- They could have stunned him on his ship after he yelled "Stop!" and relinquished his weapon (because he was standing in front of the bio canisters and didn't want them punctured)

- They could have stunned him before he was able to pulled the lever that allowed him to drop through a hatch in the bottom of the ship

They could have stunned him on a boat, with a goat, et cetera, et cetera. Basically the last two acts of the episode were unwatchable and exasperating due to the unwillingness of the characters to use a basic feature of their weaponry. As with most Enterprise episodes in this season so far, the script is really sub-par.
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ZeroDave
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 1:32pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DSC S2: If Memory Serves

The first Disco episode to make me laugh out loud and later on, cry. I was hoping Jammer have it at least 3.5 and I wasn't disappointed!
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11001001
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 12:27pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: ENT S2: The Communicator

The people pointing out that a communicator is little more than a "fancy walkie-talkie" or a "fancy two-way radio" are forgetting that it's a *subspace* radio. This society may have pocket-sized communicators, but I'll bet you anything that those communicators cannot send faster-than-light signals with a range of tens of thousands of kilometres (at least). The society on this planet only has a handle on transmitting and receiving EM waves, which travel at the speed of light. They haven't discovered what subspace is, let alone how to manipulate it.

That having been said, I think that the commenter above who drew an analogy to a caveman reverse engineering a quantum computer was off the mark. He was trying to imply that the communicator was too advanced for this society to realistically be able to determine anything about how it works. I disagree. It may be a subspace radio, but it's still a radio, which means it has a power supply, transceiver antenna, and processing circuitry, all of which a mid-20th-century society may be able to recognize and reverse engineer to a certain extent. So their understanding of energy generation and electronics could indeed be revolutionized by the discovery of the device. Even with the communicator alone, contamination was therefore definitely a concern.

I of course agree with all the commenters who pointed out that *far more* damage was done by Archer and Reed becoming captured, turning over yet more tech, and concocting a story that confirms a paranoid military's worst fears. Once a non-zero amount of damage is done, all you can do is figure how to minimize its impacts. Revealing that they were indeed space aliens was probably the way to go.

And yes, the cloaked arm was an absurdity. A cloaking device has always been depicted as a field that bends light (and presumably other sensor signals) around and object, rendering it invisible. Now all of a sudden it's "particle radiation" that you can apply wherever you like, and that renders things invisible on a semi-permanent basis? That's absurd, and has even less of a grounding in real science than the usual technobabble. Either the show's science advisor wasn't doing his job, or they chose to ignore him/her
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Peter G.
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 10:39am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

@ Jeffrey Jakucyk,

SPOILERS

In regard to the Dominion, "Changelings" is what the shapeshifters call themselves, although it's probably an ironic term rather than a name originally of their choice. "Founders" is their role in the hierarchy of the Dominion. The Vorta seem to call them "Founder" as both a term of rank and also of godlike stature (since the Vorta were 'made' by the Changelings).

But regarding the Prophets, it doesn't really matter what the Prophets call themselves, since the issue at hand is respect to the Bajorans, not to the Prophets.



"if "Wormhole Aliens" or "Wormhole Entities" is too offensive then maybe "The Bajoran Prophets" would be an appropriate term
[...]
So requiring Keiko to refer to the Wormhole Aliens as "The Prophets" is a bridge too far."

Maybe that would have been enough to be respectful. It wouldn't have been enough for Winn, but we can put that aside. The issue of making it clear it's the "Bajoran" Prophets seems to me that a bit overdone in terms of specifying "I just want to make it clear I don't believe in this". I think it would be pretty clear either way that Keiko is not a believer.

If you were doing Old Testament bible study, for instance, even as an atheist, I think it would be pretty normal when discussing what part you're reading to say, for instance, "I'm reading about the prophets." There would be no need to insert a disclaimer in the form of "I'm reading about the Jewish prophets", or "I'm reading about the dudes the Jews believe are prophets." That kind of disclaimer is simply not necessary when simply referencing them, and to say "I'm studying the prophets" is not any kind of profession of belief. But just as a point of nitpicking, if someone didn't know you were doing Old Testament study, then it would make sense to say you're reading the "Jewish prophets" since it tells them what book and what part of the book at the same time. But if they already know you're reading the Jewish scriptures then calling the the "Jewish prophets" is not technically inaccurate but it's really redundant and doesn't do anything to disclaim your opinion about it.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 10:07am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

Do the Prophets ever call themselves Prophets, or anything at all? I know they're always saying "we are of Bajor" and other vague claptrap, but do they ever say their own pronouns? The whole Founders vs Changelings thing is a little different I think, because they refer to themselves with those terms. At least I know they call themselves Changelings (as a species). Do they call themselves Founders ever, or is it only the Vorta and other Dominion subjects who do that?

Anyway, if "Wormhole Aliens" or "Wormhole Entities" is too offensive then maybe "The Bajoran Prophets" would be an appropriate term, but not simply "The Prophets" which presumes universality just like saying "God" (capital G) without any further clarification. Prophets is a vague enough term, like the term god, that using it singularly is really only appropriate within the particular religion itself. Bajorans would refer to Fek'lhr as "The Klingon Devil", not just "The Devil" (assuming they believed in a devil at all). That at least has a distinction between a proper noun and an improper noun, whereas prophet and god could be either. So requiring Keiko to refer to the Wormhole Aliens as "The Prophets" is a bridge too far.
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Peter G.
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:56am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S5: Ensign Ro

"Plus, too, we had the maverick Keneally. What is it about Starfleet admirals? There seems to be less care about their appointments than there is about Captains!"

Starfleet probably has some similar problems to modern day militaries, which is that certain people end up moving up through the ranks but are really bad commanders. Some guy ends up a Lt Cdr, finally a full Commander, and lo and behold he eventually gets command of some garbage scow somewhere. Meanwhile he has no leadership skills and is a jerk, but this has never been put to the test because it's peacetime. Finally they resort to the easiest way to get rid of him without firing him, which is to make him an Admiral and station him at a desk job somewhere out of harm's way. Sure, he can still make trouble there, but at least not put an entire ship's crew at risk every day.
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Tidd
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 2:47am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: TNG S5: Ensign Ro

Ah, the crucible of DS9, the introduction of Bajor and the “Bojarans” (as I clearly heard Stewart say towards the end). I love this episode, which plays more like a DS9 than TNG: lots of politicking and double-dealing, but never boring.

Plus we have Ro… at last, a great female role model rather than the bland Dr Crusher. Snippy, independent minded, yet loyal to her own kind shown clearly when she did her “Francis of Assisi” bit by giving her Starfleet coat to the little Bajoran girl (yes, that was a slightly overcooked scene but it made the point that Ro had a gentle redeeming side to her).

Plus, too, we had the maverick Keneally. What is it about Starfleet admirals? There seems to be less care about their appointments than there is about Captains!

I thought the Cardassian makeup slipped in this episode, especially compared to the eventual ‘classic’ look we get with Gul Dukat in DS9. But that’s a trivial thing and doesn’t prevent me giving this 4 stars - TNG at its finest.
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Booming
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 2:46am (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

@Eventual Zen
The more I think about it the more likely that seems. But only at the more basic levels. On university level we probably would still need human professor because if a robot could do that better then why even have students anymore? At that point humans would probably live WALL E-style.
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William B
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 9:56pm (UTC -5) | 🔗
Re: DS9 S1: In the Hands of the Prophets

@Trish,

Thanks for bringing up "Bread and Circuses." It's an interesting case too because they all were very dismissive of Sun worship as a primitive thing that people should have outgrown by the Roman era, but they were still respectful of it, so that it's evidence Kirk would accept religious belief even if he thought it was backward, if he didn't see it as actively harmful, or imposed on externally. (And then of course they did feel differently about it being the Son.)
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