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Eric Saavedra
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 10:44am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Business as Usual

Lol how many time must Quark be in financial trouble. I guess he isn’t a good businessman. He doesn’t even pay rent or maintenance.
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Mal
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 10:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Favor the Bold

"Favors the Bold" is a tour-de-force. One of DS9's greats. Indeed, one of Star Trek's greats. If I may be so, um, bold, let me say, one of scifi's greats. @ $G, I'd put this one up there with Babylon 5's third season episode "Point of No Return" as one of the most critical episodes of a great scifi saga.

I see what you're saying, @Luke, this is really where Damar comes alive. And maybe, just maybe, Damar leaking the plans to Quark was not quite the accident we have been led to believe. If you're crazy, @Luke, I'm right there with ya bro!

@ AeC, Drusilla does some serious whimpering in Season 2 of Angel ("Redefinition") after Angel burns her and Drusilla ( https://dai.ly/x6mw7kq?start=2565 ). You're right, there is so much more to Drusilla's pain than anything Leeta is able to muster, not withstanding Leeta's tig ol bitties @Sintek :-)

Speaking of Angel, @ D K, Lilah Morgan gets a pretty satisfying beatdown ( https://dai.ly/x4h3feh?start=180 ) in season 3, "Billy".

@DLPB, Damar is only 3 inches taller than Kira. It is more of a fair fight than one would imagine. I like Damar a lot, but let's be honest, he was never really a hand-to-hand kind of a guy. His command presence came from his charisma, and frankly his very awesome voice. He's more like Picard that way. At least before Picard became all action hero-y in the movies.

My favorite line from "Favors the Bold" has somehow been overlooked in this thread. So here it is, from Quark:

ROM: The fate of the entire Alpha Quadrant rests in your hands. Billions and billions of people are counting on you.

QUARK: Boy, are they going to be disappointed.

ROTFLMFAO! Quark is awesome.

@ Fortyseven, if you enjoy a good binge of DS9 or nBSG, then please do check out Babylon 5. I'm not sure why @Jammer never got around to it. And now that we're all older, with so much more on our plates, I fear he never will. But hope burns eternal.

Faith Manages.

https://youtu.be/uoD-Gw5oqrQ
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Tannhaueser
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 7:00am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Quality of Life

They directly confronted Bruce Maddox's argument: I would not have had this argument if it were a box on wheels. They did make make boxes somewhat cute as far as boxes are concerned.

Crusher/Data conversation presents the dilemma plainly.
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Tonu
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 4:37am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Fury

I don't remember this being that bad first time round but on re-run, yea this was a WASTED opportunity.

Lien said in an interview years after she was not happy with her performance in this...

Voyager really seemed to suffer with good ideas by season 6, forcing 26 episodes out of a season meant many are rubbish... yet DS9 was always consistently good.
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Gerontius
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 3:48am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

It's easy enough to produce perfectly reasonable counters to all those points. But the crucial one is the last one; I don't think the episode is very much about awarding points as to who is more in the right or who is in the wrong, it's more bout about misunderstandings arising between two likeable people which set them at odds, and which get resolved. That's what I meant by "comedy of errors".

(For example I'd question whether it's right to assume Geordi is "physically superior" just because he's a male. Knock his viewer off and he's much more the vulnerable one.)
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Booming
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 2:03am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

The reason many people see this as abusive and creepy is not only because of the hologram but because of his behavior during the entire episode.
A few points:
- Why did the computer create a hologram that was so different from Brahms?
- Why did that Hologram make sexually suggestive comments and act like a love interest?
- Why did Geordie never find out, despite his research about her personal tastes, that she is married?
- Why did Geordie save that hologram?
- When Brahms wanted to leave Geordie didn't allow her to and in that situation she is vulnerable because she is a woman because of his physical superiority.
- Can people become friends if one of the persons is deeply in love with the other?
- The episode presents Brahms as in the wrong and Geordie's behavior as justified.
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John
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 1:19am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Tomorrow Is Yesterday

I didn't understand the ending at all. How could you beam Christopher back into his cockpit without him running into his younger self? How could you beam the military soldier back to the Nebraska base without him also running into his younger self?

Why did the younger version of the Enterprise in the sky suddenly disappear at the end so that Christopher ended up seeing nothing? Why did that younger version of the Enterprise not lock on its tractor beam to the jet and beam him aboard again? Why did the Enterprise not beam up the Nebraska military base officer again after the older version of the Enterprise beam him back days earlier? I don't get it.
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Nolan
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 1:14am (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Sine Qua Non

@Luke

Pretty sure that's Mark Shepperd's (Romo's) real accent.
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Eric Saavedra
Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 12:08am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

Rewatching this now and Dr. Bashir really got on my nerves here. He was being extremely rude to his father.
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Dirk
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 7:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: The Search, Part II

I don't remember being so impressed with these two episodes - especially the second part - even though this is my fourth re-watch*. Odo's story really hit me hard - it's pretty unusual for me to be shedding a tear before the opening credits! I'm not sure what to say about the complaints about the simulation; I thought that it was obvious that either most of the people involved were shapeshifters, or they were on a Holodeck. Having just finished re-watching Voyager*, I'm pretty unfazed when story turns out to be in a Holodeck.

My only nitpick is the condition of the Defiant. It was in orbit? On a hidden planet? And in working condition? Didn't add up.

Definitely a fun, intense and emotionally engaging science fiction story. It's been over a decade since I watched DS9, and I'm really excited.

*I have to confess to skipping most of the season 1 & 2 episodes. I don't know why the writing is so inane on early Trek seasons. BSG certainly had no issue getting off to a running start.
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Gerontius
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 6:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Galaxy's Child

" he has her at a disadvantage the whole time". I can't see how that is the case. He is in no sense in any kind of superior position to Leah - possibly even the reverse. He is a senior figure within the Enterprise, but in the context of StarTrek it seems likely that she, if anything, is more senior than him, as a distinguished scientist and well-regarded designer of starships.

It strikes me that much of the criticism of Geordi is based on an unexamined assumption that he is dealing with someone with less clout than himself, a kind of superior intern, and, even, that by virtue of the fact that she is female, her position is more vulnerable. But we are surely intended to accept that in 24th century Federation culture, that kind of assumption is no more relevant than it would be to see Geordi's colour as putting him in a more vulnerable position.

I think it is a fallacy to see Geordi's actions as "creepy" or as some kind of sexual abuse. The episode is a sardonic comedy of errors.

For excellent reasons Geordi inadvertently caused the holographic Leah to come into existence and cooperated with her in saving the ship. The ship's computer adjusted her personality to assist in that, leading to greater closeness between the holograph and Geordi.

When the real Leah arrived Geordi instinctively, and perfectly understandably fell into assuming the real Leah was more similar to the holograph than was the case, and acted in a way that reflected that. And he also failed to advise her of the fact that he had already met with a holographic version of her, which was a mistake, but not a ethical fault on his part. And when Leah saw the computerised version of herself she quite reasonably misunderstood the whole situation.

And when all the misunderstandings were sorted out, it ended in their establishing a friendship on a different and more real basis.

Nothing "creepy", nothing "abusive" - as I said, a comedy of errors.
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Luke
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 4:41pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Sine Qua Non

Romo comes off as an annoying 'asshole fast talking lawyer' walking cliche. The fake accent is pretty distracting too.

I 100% agree with the character assassination point. Why has Adama been turned into a jerk?
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Elizabeth
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: The Naked Now

It seems that I am coming to this from a different point of view than most: I watched all of TOS a few years ago, but had never seen TNG before a couple of months ago. I started with season 3 because of all the warnings about the first two seasons. I decided to watch this episode — my very first from season 1 — after watching season 4’s “In Theory” (which I did not like) and hearing that Data’s character had originally been played as far more human, a possibility that made questions about his personhood seem more interesting to me.

As someone who watches the show mostly for the hypotheticals/moral dilemmas and not so much for character drama, I expected to hate this episode, but I actually rather liked it. A smiling, biologically vulnerable, and perhaps quietly emotional Data who is so tantalizingly close-but-not-quite-there in human terms is more interesting to me than the Data at the conclusion of “In Theory,” where the writers seem to definitely proclaim that Data is merely a computer we love to anthropomorphize (it is also annoyingly inconsistent with his behavior in other episodes). On top of that, this was my first introduction to Tasha Yar who seems like someone with an interesting background who I would’ve liked to get to know better — with her tough exterior and vulnerable inside she’s far more interesting than either Troi or Crusher. Her seeking out Data reads more genuine and compelling than the random coupling we see in “In Theory” — imagine we’d had a storyline about Tasha’s mixed feelings about having, well, _feelings_ for a robot, and how much more that could have propelled Data’s story too, instead of the rather limp one-off we get in “In Theory.” It seems clear that originally the writers were envisioning a long-term storyline as with Troi/Riker and Crusher/Picard and I think that could have been more fun to watch than either of those two couples.

I’m glad the show ultimately moved away from Geordi’s eyesight being a source of consternation for him though — I always thought it was nice how his eyesight is a non-issue for most of the series, with neither Geordi nor others making much of a big deal about it. Geordi is just Geordi: excellent engineer, endearingly unlucky in love, and all around nice guy. We are aware he is blind, and it’s not hidden from us or without its challenges, but that’s not the most prominent or deepest part of his character.

Riker gets a nice turn to shine here — his ability to keep in control after being infected is both a comment on his strength of character and on how different he is from his colleagues: he seems to be the only member of the crew who’s not really hiding anything and who wears his heart on his sleeve. His relative sobriety is perhaps also a tacit indication about how “out of control” everyone else really is. The contagion is repeatedly compared to a state like drunkenness, and it’s not altogether uncommon for genuine drunkenness to also provide a cover for knowingly engaging in behavior that will later be excused. Picard, Crusher, and Troi may be inebriated, but whatever logical part of them that’s left (and there is some since Crusher, for example, manages to concoct a cure, etc) also knows that they can say or do anything while infected and it won’t “count” against them later.

Most of the other characters (Crusher, Troi, Worf) are surprisingly consistent with their later characterizations given what I’d heard about the unevenness of season 1. The only person who comes off a bit more poorly in this episode is actually Picard, who, whether he’s dislikes children or not, seems too genuinely flustered by Wesley, and without the calm and cool so familiar in later seasons. I’ve never understood the Wesley hate, so his prominent presence in the episode is not a problem for me either.

All the complaints about cringe-inducing dialogue detailed in other comments certainly stand, though. I couldn’t watch Crusher’s horribly on-the-nose comments about Picard being attractive complete with the cliched unzipping of the top of her uniform without some definite squirming. But because I already knew the characters far better by the time I got around to this episode than I think most viewers did when they first viewed it, the episode overall mostly played for me the way it was supposed to: a fun way to watch the crew let their hair down.
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Sintek
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 11:13am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Fury

No doubt amswered at length, but the way Carey was treated is very annoying. Here's a guy who graduated the academy and was competent enough at both engineering and being a Starfleet officer to be assigned to Voyager as Chief Engineer. What happens? A dropout terrorist with no discipline or respect for the institution is promoted past him because the XO has a raging corncob for her. There are also implications that Janeway wants to ride her forehead ridges.
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Top Hat
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 10:51am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

Yeah, I think that badly staged last scene taints people's impressions of what otherwise is a solid if not quite top tier episode.
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Sigh2000
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 6:27am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Vengeance Factor

I really enjoy this site and everybody's comments (coming from across space and time). That having been said, I think that many critiques of this episode are too severe. IMO it isn't anywhere near the "borderline incoherent mess" level Jammer suggests that it is. Also the all too common jab 'poor execution' reveals itself as a convenient way to quickly dispose of episodes for what I suspect are ulterior reasons.

Many have attacked the acting....and the actors.

The Acamarians are a stolid species and not particularly emotive. When Marouk watches the jump to warp through her cabin window, the exclamation "A fine ship" shoots out of her in a most charming way. She is like a child at an amusement park for the first time. Yuta is the same way....pathologically reserved, because she was raised in a society which has elevated itself comparatvely recently, from centuries of vendetta. It is not a very happy society on a good day.

The reason Acamar 3 needs the Gatherers back is to re-inject an emotional freedom/vigor lwhich the home world has all but lost. Marouk knows that.
I think one or two quick lines added to the script would have clarified things, but the message is clear enough as is.

Yuta is well acted... She has to die for the society to move in the right direction...hommage to TOS "City on the Edge of Forever" and to "That Which Remains". She is no longer fully alive...she knows that and we are told that...she is a morphoid, i.e., a being who the five surviving Trilesta clan members from a century before collectively programmed to execute a singular task.

Great job by the actors! Marouk is memorable; Yuta unforgettable. Love Troi saying "It's wonderful!" when she tastes the parthos. Nicely addresses the issues.
8/9
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John
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 5:19am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Prime Factors

TH - In a way, the Kazon could be viewed as irrational on an evolutionary perspective, but you could say the same about Klingons - they've been exploring space for a how long now, and they're still eating worms and brawling? And in my book that's fine, because in the 'real world' we only know of one species who has developed advanced technology - humans. We don't know there's any such thing as a 'natural' course of development, from from unevolved and earthbound to somewhat enlightened and reading books and learning and building things, to becoming enlightened space-faring travelers through Western physics and chemistry. That's a Trekkian theory, and it's fiction.
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TH
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 1:59am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S1: Prime Factors

One thing I never see anyone mention, and this episode isn't specifically the problem, but in the pilot, we meet the Kazon who marvel at the technology to create water from thin air. We will continue to meet the Kazon for a while yet.

Caretaker led me to believe that Voyager was going to be established, at least for a while as technologically superior in this quadrant, and that the feeling of this quadrant was going to be quite different than the Alpha Quadrant.

But virtually immediately we started meeting cultures that *appeared* to be of similar tech level to Voyager and feel very much similar to those we've met in TNG. We meet the Videans in episode 4 who have advanced tech - although perhaps primarily focused only on medical tech. We also meet the Banea in episode 7 who the crew turns to for engineering advice and who have the technology to both read and 'transfer' memories even into an alien host.

And now, in episode 9, we meet a culture that has mastered an advanced "space folding" technology and is at least well off enough to apparently live a luxurious life and to offer their hospitality to space strangers as well.

Now, nothing in any of this *proves* that anyone else has replicator tech - particularly enough to make water. And even the Kazon themselves have somehow managed space travel tech not far behind Starfleet's. They even show up in the very next episode.

How the heck can the Kazon have travelled this far from the Caretaker planet - close enough to the the planet in this episode - and Neelix is familiar enough with these people even though he is from the same area. So is it really that realistic that the Caretaker Kazon's should consider water-synthesis miraculous?

I mean, it's possible the Kazon barely travel and the group on the Caretaker planet have never travelled far outside of that system (though they showed up with a fancy ship at the end of the episode), and their sect - the Ogla - also show up in one further episode all the way into the second season. Maje Culluh of the Nistrom (admittedly a different sect) appears in the episode after this one, and continues to appear all the way to the season 3 premiere, so at least he has a ship with comparable range to Voyager).

It is *POSSIBLE* that even within the sect, they don't really travel very far individually or communicate very well. It just *FEELS* inauthentic.

This episode also got me thinking of one other issue that is never strongly addressed during the series. The Caretaker was supposedly bringing ships over for months. I don't think it is ever established exactly how many ships were actually transported, but in these early episodes, everyone treats Voyager as an amazing unique story and a technological marvel. Why does no one ever say "yeah, we meet another ship that the Caretaker brought over last week." Maybe in two or three years, we're moving in a different direction than most other ships would be going, but in these early episodes, where people like Neelix hear all the rumours of what's going on, I'm surprised no one ever mentions any other ships. Not even the Equinox that we later discover has a few months head start, but is on a similar path.
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Sintek
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 1:13am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Warlord

Upon trying to rewatch it just now I was overcome by a burning rage and uncontrollable wretching. I have never wanted so badly to repeatedly slam my tablet against my own face until it was destroyed and I was blinded by the jagged debris. My stomach is still roiling as the sight and sounds of that motherfucker continues playing in my head.

Surely even the 8-year-olds to whom the character (and show) is supposed to appeal would find this offensive and obscene. It's not funny and it's not endearing. It only makes me want to seek out and injure those responsible.
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Austin
Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 12:47am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Thirty Days

Tom Paris v the Trump administration.
3.5 stars
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Baby Mandalorian
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 9:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

Good episode. But seriously, I'm totally on the Marquis side on this. I don't even get the whole putting down Victor Hugo. This episode was really well done, but weirdly... pro-authoritarian. I guess in this current world climate it doesn't come off as well as at the time, but given they are referencing Les Mis it's hilariously bad writing that somehow Sisko comes off as "awesome" despite being referred to as Javert.. like wtf

This episode just made me like the Marquis more.
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LisaM
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Homeward

Just watched this this evening. I admit I do like the episode. Worf sometimes bored me with all his Klingon honour blah blah. But seeing him with his human "brother", I enjoyed the sparring dynamic between the two.

This episode also gives me yet another reason to not like Picard. He rails at Nikolai throughout the episode, yet at the end says "Our plan worked". Oh right, take credit once its been shown to work. Shut up, Picard!
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Gerontius
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Half a Life

I rate this as a pretty good episode, Luxwana and all. (She's annoying all right, but that's her shtick, and you laugh while you cringe - and in this episode it was good to see a glimpse of another side in the final scene.

Unlike a lot of people, I don't see the idea of a culture that imposes a deadline on its members as at all absurd. In fact a central argument against a move towards legalising euthanasia is that it could lead to a culture in which old people could be encouraged or manipulated, into choosing to die, for the benefit of their children - or indeed might themselves make that choice because they see continuing to love as a burden on those children.

No need to have a law code compelling it if the social pressure and expectation become strong enough. Look at all the parents who freely offer their infants, female and male, for genital mutilation in cultures across the world.

And in fact there was never any indication that The Resolution was a legally
imposed requirement, rather than a universally accepted practice, underpinned by strong family pressures.

And as with infant genital mutilation, other cultures may disapprove (more notably of the female version) but can do little about it. Even without a Prime Directive.

And rightly so, because the principle behind the Prime Directive is undoubtedly correct - all human history seems to bear out the fact that forced interference with the cultures of other societies, however well intended, invariably damages those societies, and can even end in effectively destroying the people of those societies. Change comes, and contact can help shape that change - but ensuring that the change is for the good is a very tricky enterprise, even an impossible one.
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Adam Marsland
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: The Icarus Factor

Boy, did the Japanese dialogue during the martial arts sequence suck. Atrocious. I didn't even recognize it at first.
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Austin
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 3:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Timeless

This isn’t just the best episode of the series so far, it’s the best episode of the series so far. It didn’t have that typical thing where Voyager gives us 44 minutes of amazing sci-fi with the last 2 minutes where they kill everything cool about it. This was great through and through. I typically don’t like Trek time-travel stories, but the 3 main exceptions are Trials and Tribble-ations, The Voyage Home, and now this one... all for very different reasons. 4 stars from me!
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