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Peter G.
Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 1:26am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Brothers

@ james04,

"If Reg Barclay, or any other member of the crew, had done what Data did, they would have been thrown off the Enterprise & out of Starfleet"

Except for the fact that Reg Barclay *does* do almost exactly what Data did in The Nth Degree...and they don't throw him out.
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james04
Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 12:47am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Brothers

Data gets away with activities bordering on mutiny. For all the fine talk about Data being sentient, etc., Picard shows he does not in his heart of hearts believe that, by letting Data off with what the episode shows are zero consequences. If Reg Barclay, or any other member of the crew, had done what Data did, they would have been thrown off the Enterprise & out of Starfleet quicker than you can say “The existence of Section 31 proves that Starfleet is a bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites”.

But Data is, after all, nothing but a machine, with no more moral sense or conscience than a bar of gold-pressed latinum. That this is Picard’s truest conviction on the matter, is absolutely proven by the absence of any penalty for behaviour which, in any other member of the crew, would (rightly) have been regarded as gravely criminal. ST cannot have it both ways - and its attempting to do so, does not say much for the moral pretentions of ST.

TOS managed its treatment of Spock much better, even if that series did have the advantage of comparative brevity. Making Data an android with plausibly human features was a mistake. Voyager handled the Doctor with much greater artistic tact than TNG managed. Data is allowed to become insufferable, a robotic and backward version of Picard at his preachiest - Voyager avoids this, by deflating the Doctor now and again, so that he is never allowed to make the blunders Data does; and by dividing his functions between the Doctor, and Seven of Nine. The Doctor is amusing. The relationship between the Doctor and Seven is amusing. The relationship between McCoy & Spock is amusing. Data’s attempts at humour are flat, not sparkling,

Usually, episodes show Data acting, and being treated as, a moral agent. In this episode, and some others, the mask slips.
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Cody B
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 11:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Regeneration

@Nolan

Ahhh okay that makes sense I must have missed when they said it was the research ship. This was a great episode. The beginning seemed like a homage to the movie The Thing and ten it turned into just plain good Borg episode
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Baby Mandalorian
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 10:54pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang

Yikes, Elie you need to lay off the drugs.

This was a good episode, I enjoyed it for a filler- typical adventure heist with comedy, drama and suspense.

It's interesting seeing the comments from the last decade and a half on race. Just makes me realise more and more that DS9 (and Avery) were very well placed to address race issues amongst others. Although the Ableist episode was a big joke.
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Nolan
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 10:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Regeneration

@Cody B re: The Borg ship. It's actually just the ship from the research team that found them, being modified over the course of the episode. If you pay attention to the model, you'll see it's eventually got a big cubish chunk added to it at the end. Clearly they were in the process of cubify-ing it.

As for the Borg themselves, I see a few explanations: that being damaged and frozen for 100 years has limited the recall of the small hivemind they create, maybe causing them all to act on instict to rejoin the collective, but with gaps in their knowledge (like their name) or, they link up with the hivemind present at that time which has yet to pick a name or become biological assimilation machines (unlike the drones from the future that we see)

There is also a line in there I believs about how Phlox only survived being injected because of his Denobulan physiology. Maybe the fact he has to share each of his three wives with three partners of their own was too much of a collective for even the nanoprobes to handle.
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Chris
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 10:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part II

Sorry, this episode was bullshit. The mantra of "we want jobs" as if that was the solution to an entire system of exploitation, theft and slavery is simply an endorsement of that system, with the problem lying in the administration of it rather than the inherent structure of it and the type of thinking behind it. The writers were not even brave enough to say that everyone is entitled to a reasonable standard of living, endorsing the guilt-ridden consensus of American society that sacrifice is a requirement of living.
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Maya
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 9:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Past Tense, Part II

The year is 2020. There is a pandemic and protests against police violence happening. It seems Star Trek predicted these things almost 30 years ago.
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MidshipmanNorris
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 7:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Favorite Son

VOY: Do you think this episode should have been cut? We were so worried when the boys were writing it. But now we're glad! It's better than some of the previous episodes, I think.

TNG: "At least ours was better visually"

DS9: "At least ours was committed, it wasn't just a long string of pussy jokes"

AUDIENCE: 'GET ON WITH IT' 'Yes, get one wi' it!' "YES, GET ON WITH IT"

VOY: "Oh, I am enjoying this episode!"

GHOST OF GENE RODDENBERRY: "GET. **ON WITH IT!!**

VOY: :/
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HC
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 6:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Nightingale

Both storylines needed a stronger conclusion (like say, a promotion), but i found this to be a decent attempt to reckon with the problem of Voyager's oft-forgotten Ensign. 3 stars.
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Dave in MN
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: 'Til Death Do Us Part

And as far as Sisko goes, he's worked with and lived with these people for six years. Perhaps the time could have been better utilized by having Sisko recognize that his coworkers were his friends ...

.... and also, Sisko has a son.l and Jake is barely seem in the last season. Their relationship was basically an afterthought and that's unfortunate.
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Dave in MN
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: 'Til Death Do Us Part

This is my third time watching the series through.... I watched it when it aired and then about 8 years ago I watched out again (skipping the bad episodes like "Profit and Lace").

I'm truly stunned how much screentime Ezri got and how unessential to the plot most of it actually is. She's a superfluous character at a time when the show should have been wrapping up plot lines.

(*coughBajorInTheFederationcough*)
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James G
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Drumhead

The third episode in a row that I hadn't seen before. I must have a think about what I was distracted by in the early '90s when these were shown on the BBC. Anyway - brilliant. Impossible to believe that the wise, thoughtful and determined Picard in this story is the same Picard I saw 24 hours earlier, swinging through a castle window in a Robin Hood costume to rescue Maid Marian.

Really a splendid moral message about prejudice, suspicion, paranoia, justice and ethics. Patrick Stewart is really in his element here.

Surprised to see Jean Simmons in this; her performance reminds me a bit of Judi Dench. Not completely natural early on but by the time she's losing it at the climax she's acting out of her skin. Bravo.

Loved it.
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Cody B
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 3:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: First Flight

Fantastic episode. Clearly not enough aliens, explosions, and pretty phaser beam blasts for some but what are you going to do. Some people can’t appreciate great writing when it’s right in front of them
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Booming
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 3:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: 'Til Death Do Us Part

Yeah Ezri... they should have used an existing character for a friendship or maybe go all in and let Sisko suffer a real and significant loss. Maybe that would have been too rough.

The actor for Ezri isn't bad but it feels like a character from another show just walked onto the set. Another problem is her arc. She really doesn't have one. At the start of the season she is confused and at the end she is a little less confused.
For most characters on the show it is about accepting who you really are, often done over several seasons. The only rock that never moves is O'Brien which works for him because he is the average joe. You could throw him in tough situation and we had an easy time emphasizing.

Ezri on the other hand is just there.
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Cody B
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 2:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: 'Til Death Do Us Part

@Dave in MN

If they killed of the symbiote we would have gotten an entire “mourning” episode and then multi episode arcs of Sisko and Worf being sad and trying to deal with it. Also I think you are being too harsh. I didn’t find Ezri so bad and if you fast forwarded all her scenes how are you so sure you don’t like anything she’s part of?
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Chapters
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 2:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Justice

This was the very first episode of star trek (any star trek) i watched, i was about 8 or 9 and remember asking my dad, why do they want to kill him for falling over the flowers? And him explaining the plot to me.
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Peter G.
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 2:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: 'Til Death Do Us Part

@ Dave in MN,

"They should've killed off the symbiote and not bothered introducing a whole new main cast character this late in the game. What a waste."

Problem is if you do that Benjamin is lacking a significant relationship on the show other than Kasidy. Dax is his main 'friend' in the cast, and without her his scenes are relegated to professional briefings or else family scenes, which is a bit limiting.
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EventualZen
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 2:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Unforgettable

@Leif
>Do people agree with that at least that the episode wasn't derivative?

I think this episode shares similarities with TNG 4x14 "Clues". I only gave this episode a 3/10 but don't have notes explaining why.
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Dave in MN
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 2:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: 'Til Death Do Us Part

There's WAY too much Ezri in Season 7. I like the actress, don't get me wrong, but boy did they squander time by focusing on her character so much.

I fast forward through her scenes ... so far upon rewatch, I don't seem to have missed much plotwise.

They should've killed off the symbiote and not bothered introducing a whole new main cast character this late in the game. What a waste.
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Cody B
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 1:18pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S2: Regeneration

I liked this one a lot but found some of it confusing. So were they early proto borg or some sort of Borg offshoot species? What was up with their ship it wasn’t square or circular? Other than that this was a great episode that ties in with First Contact (the movie). Voyager should have done a similar thing here with the Borg as Enterprise has. One or two GOOD episodes of Borg and that’s it. Don’t milk it for ratings until Borgs aren’t scary.
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Peter G.
Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 10:02am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: Yesterday's Enterprise

@ Jakob,

"There is a weird sort of Christian morality underpinning this episode, this idea that it’s good and right to be a sacrificial lamb, to put yourself “on the cross” so to speak and spill your blood to save others, but that’s kind of ridiculous."

While I wouldn't want to comment on why you do or don't like Christian-type morality, you really don't see how it would be a good thing to go to the defense of people being attacked by Romulans and die trying to save them? Having served, you would really argue that there is literally no point in participating in a rescue or defense action even if there is little chance of success? You don't see the value - both for morale and for honor - in finding it unacceptable to let defenseless people be gunned down, Klingon or otherwise? Because that's what this is about: how when the Klingons see Enterprise-C die fighting for them it cements the Khitomer Accords into a real alliance, because they realize it's not just a detente but that they're dealing with people with values.
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Dingus
Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 10:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Facets

What a huge piece of shit. I once read that you can tell how good a voice actor is by hearing them do an impression of someone else while in character. Well, the writers actually thought it was a good idea to take these very limited actors and illustrate for everyone exactly how bad they are, with the exception of Auberjonois. Kira and Bashir were just laughably terrible! Seriously, watch that Bashir scene again.

I just can't help but to compare this series to Babylon 5. At this point late in the 3rd season that show was firing on all cylinders, with almost every episode having critical importance to the plot, and some great great performances. It was awesome. What's going on with Bajore, the Cardassians, the Dominion? What has there been, like, 4 or 5 Dominion episodes since they've been introduced? There were definitely worse episodes before this one but this has been my least favorite because I'm sick of this stilted crap.
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Picard_Is_Wesleys_Father
Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 10:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: Damage

Though a fine episode, it is easy in retrospect to see it as a portend for the franchise’s steep decline into murky, aggressive, any-means-necessary dreck now synonymous with Discovery and Picard. The episode’s message ages particularly poorly as we look back at the actual War on Terror over a decade on. T’Pol’s crack addiction and Pirate Archer are now emblematic of the franchise that lost its way. Picard would convene the officers in his ready-room to weigh any ethical dilemma. Archer unilaterally and continually makes the unethical call. And the franchise still lives with the consequences.
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Jakob
Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: Yesterday's Enterprise

There is a weird sort of Christian morality underpinning this episode, this idea that it’s good and right to be a sacrificial lamb, to put yourself “on the cross” so to speak and spill your blood to save others, but that’s kind of ridiculous.

Yes, war is unpleasant (though not always bad, and before you ask — I am a veteran) but any sane person would rather be alive in the midst of a terrible war, where they have some chance of surviving until their natural expiration, if the alternative is to avoid the war by means of their certain death.


You pose the question ‘would you go back in time and kill Hitler?’ and my answer is absolutely not. If there was no WWII, Hungary would not have been occupied by the Soviets, and then there would’ve been no uprising and invasion in 1956, which means that my grandfather would not have had to flee, which means that he would never come to the UK and thus I would not have ever existed. WWII certainly wasn’t worth it for all of the Germans subjected to mass rape by the Red Army or tortured to death by the Stasi or the Palestinians whose 70 year dispossession has been justIfied in the eyes of many by the Jewish Holocaust, but it was worth it to me because I owe my existence to it.

Also, since Star Trek assumes a many world’s interpretation to be true (I don’t, I’m with Bohr and Heisenberg on this question) then there is no right or wrong timeline, they’re all right and Whoopi Goldberg’s assertion that this one is wrong is nonsense.
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Eric Saavedra
Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 7:19pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Afterimage

Worf really got on my nerves in this one, especially in the Dr Bashir scene. Seriously, why isn’t this guy ever charged with assault and removed from Starfleet. It’s not the first time he puts his hands on a fellow officer. Everyone always tries to appease Worf and and all the Klingons. In fact, I hate the Klingons. The only one I liked was Martok, and even he got my nerves occasionally.
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