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Maq
Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 10:00am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Remembrance

@Nolan, thanks for your insights. To late now. I still would have walked the way.

I mostly never really enjoy the Trek first time I watch them. It is first when I rewatch them that I really start to appreciate also the strange episodes.

Americans are quite often extremely good story tellers and they are able to implement some quite silly things enjoyable on a television screen.

It was slow but very good acting from some actors. Not only from Stewart. God visual presentation. Many opportunities were missed. Sad when so much effort was put into it.

If they managed to do something well it was to show how people starts to reclaim life after having lost it. Or settling with a new after a disaster.
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Booming
Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 9:50am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Hide and Q

The mixing of the imagery is the genius of the episode. Q an eternal being cannot keep it all straight. Tents at Agincourt, tents at Marengo. For Q just a blink of an eye. For the ants hundreds of years. It shows us how Q sees reality.
Checkmate!
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Peter G.
Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 9:13am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Hide and Q

THIS JUST IN:

Art design on fledgling science fiction show is wacky! This is not a drill, all personnel secure your art history textbooks, THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
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Sigh2000
Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 7:22am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S1: Hide and Q

The episode is a strange amalgam, and is therefore difficult to comment about. Do I think it's good? Not sure. Do I think it's awful. Uncertain. So here goes (foley artist: insert sound of person diving into really cold swimming pool water).

Q (the very worthwhile deLancie) decides to drop in and gives Picard and his crew a war that they're not interested in fighting. It's frustrating to them and to the viewer because lives are at stake and what was to have been an "errand of mercy" is interrupted.

This is a variant of Organians stopping the Federation from having a showdown with the Klingons in TOS.

What can be worse than not being allowed to fight for a just cause? Answer: having a sham Napoleonic skirmish thrown into your face, one replete with bad uniforms.

@Edax (Dec. 18, 2015). You are correct that no matter how you slice it, Q's gettup cannot be interpreted as French Grand Armee staff. Even if you bend over backwards and try to see Q as an image of Bonaparte as First Consul (which I think the costumers were going for since they slicked Q's hair down with pommade), He's wearing the Order of the Golden Fleece for pity's sake, which puts him on the other side ! Think Austrian Habsburgs, Spain, Netherlands... sheesh (foley artist: insert sound of frothing at the mouth) .

Also the campaign tent belonged in the French camp at Agincourt; not at Marengo. A simple beige tent would have sufficed!!! (Foley artist: insert sound of a Nerd speaking in tongues) . Comment within comment: we are supposed to be nerds when it comes to the space-time continuum, so please get the uniforms right ...I guess history nerds never mattered...only tech and science nerds.

The review could go about the Riker bit, but my starboard nacelle just fell off.
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Booming
Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 3:37am (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Mike
Good point. Obama pointed out that much when he mentioned that this will have been worth something if it is transformed into actual political change. Always the constitutional professor.

@James
I'm actually politically active and also lead a program for immigrants. So I share your sentiment. Sadly politics (and everything where it is about power) is a dirty very rough business. Still, nice that your kid is so active and Brookings, I guess I know what that means. ;)
Asking us to be more civil is certainly justified. I personally are often too combative.

Cody
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Nolan
Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 1:36am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Face of the Enemy

Plus, as we saw with Geordi, the Romulans are fairly decent at deploying dopplegangers to vacation spots and seminars while they kidnap Starfleet personnel.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 12:13am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Face of the Enemy

Is that really a plot hole, though?

Troi was attending a seminar and was kidnapped while returning to her guest quarters. Even if the people in charge of the seminar routinely checked on their guests (and why should they, really?), it would have been easy for the Romulans to fake a message from Troi saying that she doesn't feel well and she wants to rest in her quarters.

Anyway, I agree that it's a great thriller of an episode. Definitely one of the best in season 6.
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P'kard
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 11:56pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Face of the Enemy

Mom rewatch of 2020 goes great tonight. Mom is loving this one and always been a favourite of mine own as well. Besides the plot hole of no one noticing her being gone its a GREAT thriller episode. 7.5/10 junja sticks for me
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 11:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Peter G.

Nothing Freudian about it. Just a word I didn't know how to spell until you corrected me.

@James White

"Why do I come here? I really don't know. At first, it was a whim. Now, I realize many of you are some of the most thoughtful and decent people out there."

Thank you for the compliment.

Now let me ask you this:

Do you really think "the most thoughtful and decent people out there" have decided to dedicate their entire lives to bitching on a Star Trek website? And that we need a person like you to tell us to help people in need and so forth?

I mean, that's basically what you have assumed here. Knowing the kind of people we are, does this assumption make any kind of sense to you?

"Protest. Tell politicians to go fuck themselves. Stand for something."

One of the things I stand up for, is the importance of continuing to live our lives as normally as possible, even in the face of crisis.

From spending time with our families to discussing our favorite TV shows, it is the little things that make our lives worth living. Even if it occasionally means that we get into heated debates on "trivialities". That's part of life too.

So you want to me protest? Very well:

I protest against the notion that Trekkies should stop discussing Star Trek on a website dedicated to Star Trek just because things have gotten rough in the real world.

Oh, and lest I forget: The politicians (from both sides) *can* go and **** themselves. There. I've said it. Not that this will make any kind of difference, but venting against a crummy situation is also part of life.
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Cody B
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 10:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

@Dirk

I’ve seen a few people wonder how voyager got inside the borg sphere but my thought when I watched it was that the were behind the sphere and then become visible after the explosion. Still wouldn’t explain how they got behind it but seems more plausible than getting in it
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SouthofNorth
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 9:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Ethics

2 Stars maybe 2.5. As usual, Trek chickens out on a serious premise and all will be forgotten by next week.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 8:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Tapestry

I can totally see the once-driven young Picard faltering and ending up as a blue-shirt lieutenant (junior grade, *assistant* astrophysics officer no less). I've had classmates and friends who were valedictorians, international sports competitors, the top of the top, and whether due to burnout, a moment of self-realization, injury, illness, or what have you, they ended up abandoning those goals and moving on to something else. Realizing what you've been striving for isn't what you really want, or you can't keep pursuing it, without having a Plan B, can really throw a wrench into what looks like a slam dunk life.

Another way to look at it is that Picard's stabbing wasn't so much a turning point as a one of many inflections. The butterfly effect needs to be in full force, but that incident (or the lack thereof) simply shifted his next decision left or right ever so slightly such that over a couple of decades it led to a completely different path, because subsequent decisions build on the ones previous. It would be interesting to know what sort of life he was leading beyond his career as a blue-shirt, but since he's thrown into it head-first without any memories of it, we don't know if he was getting fulfillment in some other way.

I have to shake my head at everyone who thinks this episode glorifies violence or says that fighting is the answer. That's comically missing the point. Keep in mind Picard lost that fight, and hard. I don't need to belabor the point as previous commenters have also tried to dispel that myth. It's just that *Picard* needed that brush with death not to put his life on track, but to *keep* his life on track, to the satisfaction of his red-shirt self. While he was driven before this, he was also kind of a screw up too. He failed his Starfleet entrance exams the first time, and he did something at the academy that nearly got him expelled. Imagine what changing those outcomes could've done.
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Dirk
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 8:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

I've just finished watching Voyager seasons 4 - 7. I'd watched the show in its entirety throughout its initial run. At the time I was an unhappy young man, and I certainly didn't appreciate the many gems in the series. I didn't like the characters and the first three seasons seemed especially dismal. Now, years later, I'm a sweet old guy, and I appreciate Voyager very much. During my partial re-watch, I've skipped a few, but overall I've had a really good time.

That is, until Endgame, which has always left me baffled. I know many criticisms have been made about Endgame and I don't want to repeat those - although I will say that I felt like the Seven/Chakotay romance seemed completely idiotic.

My main confusion with Endgame is in the final scenes:

How did Voyager get inside a Borg sphere? The sphere was firing heavily on Voyager - it doesn't make much sense that the Borg would open a door for them to safety enter.

Also, Tuvok fired weapons to destroy the conduit BEFORE the Borg queen ordered the sphere to pursue Voyager. How can the sphere enter something that was destroyed? I assume the entrance would be destroyed first, logically.

How does Voyager survive, without difficulty, being inside of an exploding Borg sphere? The armor was failing (per Tuvok), so their protection seemed unlikely.

Responses welcome.
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Matthew Martin
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 8:23pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2

I think the only thing holding this episode back is a kind of lethargic pace.

Compare it to cliffhangers like Kobol 2 or Pegasus. One ends with a bummer ending, the old man is shot and left for dead. The other ends with tension turned up to 11, Adama marching down the hallway ready to go to war with Cain.

This ends with a bummer as well, but the tension, the operatic drama, the mood is a bit more "going through the motions" than in Kobol 2. I suppose it was a necessary evil since they decided on the time-jump. Once you do that, you're almost forced to lay a lot of pace-halting exposition down, showing us where everyone is and how they've changed.

You can't show all those changes after the Cylons find them, because then the normal New Caprica life they settled into over the past year is out the window. You can't hold off on the Cylons returning until next season because then you have no cliff hanger. All you can do...is both. So that's what they did and the pace suffered.

A necessary evil but one that I would still rather praise for its ambitions (balls, as you call it) over a lesser show that was too scared to take such lofty chances.
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Matthew Martin
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 8:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S2: Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1

Doing my quarantine-induced rewatch right now and finally got to this one.

I feel the same way you do, Jammer, in that the episode just sort of stops without bringing anything to a thematic conclusion. I'm glad you mentioned Kara jumping away in Kobol's Last Gleaming 1 because, for all the praise that part 2's ending (rightly) gets, the end to part 1 as Kara calls Adama out for lying and then jumps away, is almost as emotionally resonating as seeing his bloody body lying in CIC.

As for this, when you view parts 1 and 2 as a single entity, I would rate the whole a perfect score. But, you can't really do that since this aired as a single hour of TV. In that case, I agree with your score. It's just sort of lacking a spark and an emotional hook that other part one's (such as the ones you mentioned, as well as Act of Contrition) had in spades.
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Mike
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 8:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@James White
People have been protesting, putting their voices out there and volunteering as long as there has been civilization. If it was the answer, we'd be in a fine situation by now.
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James White
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Sorry, 16 year old son.
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James White
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Omicron - what can you do? It depends on what you're willing to do. I don't have an answer for all people. I really don't. To Booming's point, some sort of advocacy against out of control debt accumulation, the funding of science/research, the maintenance of our relationships with allies, etc. My 6 year old son is offering Brookings, CSIS and two other advocacy groups his time (uncompensated) to do some research. The various experts are listed. Pick one and reach out to them.

Write some article, white paper, Op-Ed, whatever. Put your voice out there. Most of you are extremely intelligent. Do something.

Volunteer. Take some food to people that need it. We volunteer with a local farm to deliver food to especially vulnerable people that lack the means to pay for it (without subsidies, food stamps, etc.)

Protest. Tell politicians to go fuck themselves. Stand for something. Not on a ST website. Wherever.

Why do I come here? I really don't know. At first, it was a whim. Now, I realize many of you are some of the most thoughtful and decent people out there. So, yes, I'm telling you that you have more to offer than bitching on this site.
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James White
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Booming / Omicron: www.mw-pc.com. I live in N. Virginia, run a firm of 8 attorneys now (the site needs updating), and my other business Aqua Meridian, LLC does financial assistance / capital raise work for small to mid cap businesses. You can check out my bio on the website. This is me (for everyone to see).
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Andersonh1
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Living Witness

Race riots, arguments over interpretations of history, attacking museums... this episode suddenly became very topical after this past weekend. Eerily so.
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Cody B
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:15pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Booming

You have a severe ego problem. Yesterday you said you amaze people by predicting the future, you constantly say how intelligent you are, I have not ONE TIME seen you try to reach any kind of middle ground or admit you were wrong about anything with the various people you argue with on here, and now you are interpreting me politely asking you to stop posting anti American sentiments daily as wanting to have a “battle of wits” with you. No I’m asking if you can please stop with daily anti American sentiments on a website for Star Trek episodes discussion. That’s all. Can you do that please? I don’t come here to see my country slandered daily. I’d like to come here for friendly discussion on Star Trek.
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Peter G.
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 4:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@ Omicron,

"Because I've been wrecking my brains on this for three months now"

Freudian slip, I think you meant "wracking" :)
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Booming
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 3:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

@Omicron
"Not really surprising, for a person who believes that writing academic papers on a country makes him more knowledgeable then the people who actually live there..."
Are you serious??
there are certainly instances where a scientist can understand aspects of a country better than a layperson who lives in that country. For example ,and that isn't even really part of my scientific research, I know quite a bit about US history, probably more than at least half of the US population.

"Unfortunately, given the stuff you've written here on the subject so far, understanding reality does not seem to be your strong suit."
You stated that your life is influenced by god directly so let's not argue about who has the tighter grip on reality.
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Yanks
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 3:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Well, I tuned into Space Force.... eeesh, I guess you need to be a "The Office" fan to like it. Personally, I'm not amused or impressed.

As for the Dragon launch, it was AWESOME!! I love that the private sector is not firmly involved with manned space flight. Can't wait for humans to be able to fly up to orbit and take in the view.... although I'm sure I won't be able to afford it.

No discussion on the protests and riots? :-) Probably the all the better.
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Booming
Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 3:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

I think first he or she (certainly there are some females James's out there; I googled but I only found articles about female James Bond; So yeah probably a he or a they, that seems to get some traction lately; boing Ryan Reynolds named his daughter James; I kind of like it) should clarify what is meant with silly things.
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