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DonMel
Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 4:35am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S4: Unforgettable

This was Robert Beltran's favorite episode? No wonder he wasn't a fan of Trek... he wanted to do pointless dull love stories.
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Mal
Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 4:13am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: The Royale

1 star is about right.

The episode had a lot going for it, but just draaaaaaaaags.

Worf is hilarious! Both the turbo lift scene and the room service scene are laugh-out-loud funny.

Data playing craps is awesome fun, definitely picked up later by The Sisko in Badda Bang.

And even a few of the side stories are intriguing (especially the old Texan who is leading a young lady to life of despair... woah, pretty dark stuff!).

BUT. SO. FUCKING. BORING.

I suppose they couldn't figure out if they wanted to do a holo-deck malfunction episode (where they get stuck in a Hotel Royale story), or a prime directive episode (like Piece of the Action).

And so they structured it as some weird Hotel California episode that just didn't work.

Guys, how was this place still up and running 280 years after the guy it was built for had died??? Unlimited POWER!

@Dr Lazurus, LOL. Playboy for me.
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Booming
Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 3:07am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

There we go again. There are now 9? shows with the Trek label and I liked 2. I'm happy that I can see these debates and are only mildly amused about all of this. Kurtzman and CBS have ended my emotional relationship to Star Trek. I even have Lower Decks on Amazon but didn't watch a single episode. When I see debates about this or that auldTrek episode I think:"Interesting how much these people care about thirty year old shows."

@Bob (the other one)
"I really don't understand the Trek fan base. But then again, I don't like comic book movies either so maybe I'm just out of step with our current culture."
In times of uncertainty and crisis the USA gets a hankering for strongman. These movies are about a good guy punching the bad guys until all is well again. It is a simplistic desire for a singular human (looking) being to solve societal problems. It lives somewhere between childish power fantasy and adult desire for dictators. Apart from that these movies are well made. Then there is Thor and Captain America *sigh*... so I guess there is something for everybody. :)
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Tidd
Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 2:31am (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: What Are Little Girls Made Of?

I don’t have much to say that has not already been said. Just that there are some great philosophical “sci-fi” ideas about the nature of true humanity versus logic of androids. B the episode is so laughably dated in its production values (those polystyrene sets!), plus some way OTT acting...
Entertaining no doubt particularly to see an “android “ straight out of the Addams Family. We are beginning though to see the Enterprise in its comforting series familiarity.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 9:14pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

If Trek is just a skin that can be draped over any frame, at least give me something entertaining like Sex and the Single Klingon.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 9:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I'm one of those people who draw conclusions on previous evidence.

I actually recall seeing Trek when I was 3 or 4 and thinking it was interesting, but I also was testing 5 years ahead of the curve. I didn't really start watching it until TNG premiered and Nick reran the animated series.

Setting aside my personal anecdote, you'd have to be willingly obtuse to watch TNG or DS9 and conclude that preschoolers are the target audience.

Frankly, there is a lot in Trek that isn't appropriate for a child that age. And it's not SUPPOSED to be.
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Mertov
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 9:01pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

"Trek isn't supposed to be for toddlers."

Says who?
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Dave in MN
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 8:58pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

And I don't "hate" Prodigy. (The fact I could barely muster a few paragraphs should tell you how much I care about the franchise nowadays).

But it will most likely be another nu-Trek desecration, and the only emotion that stirs in me anymore is sadness.

Oh well, thankfully there's new Orville episodes in just a few months.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 8:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

Trek isn't supposed to be for toddlers.
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Crobert
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 8:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: The Outrageous Okona

I'm almost impressed at how this show manages to nail two of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to TV show writing.

#1 - Writers trying to write stand-up comedy is always, always, always TERRIBLE. Like, criminally bad. This episode was as painful an example of that as I can imagine. At no point in all of history has the Comedian's standup been funny. Especially the weird moment where he and Data are flailing around making noises with the fake teeth. I want to become violent with whoever wrote that scene.

#2 - Writers trying to write a successful womanizer. It's PAINFULLY obvious that the people who wrote Okana's seduction scenes had no fucking clue how you pick up a woman and as a result seem to subconsciously view the act of seducing a woman as magic or mind control or something. And I say this as a man with next to no game. Nobody who isn't performing for sold out stadiums can just walk up to a woman at a transportation station and say "You're attracted to me let's plow" as an opener.

The sad part is that Okana's character did win me over and is the sort of character I would have liked to have seen more from because a lot of TNG seems woefully lacking in individual characters with goals that are separate from whatever military service they're a part of. The ending was actually nice even if it was predictable.

Just...please for the love of God TV writers, stop writing stand-up and terrible PUAs.
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Mertov
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 8:17pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

"I don't look at those characters and think "Trek", I see a hodgepodge that looks more like the toy shelf at Target. or Guardians of the Galaxy."

This show is for children Dave, not for you or me. Children don't care about what you see and what conclusions you draw about the show without seeing second of footage. They don't care about Okona's TNG episode or what adults deem worthy of watching. They certainly don't care about declarations of doom (like the ones that were had been declared in the past for the current ones who, without an exception, are headed full-steam for their next seasons). They don't care about the profound definitions of Trek according to you or me. As long as they like the show, chances are they will become future Trekkies. They will thankfully begin watching Prodigy without any preconceived hatred toward the show just from seeing a single image.
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Bob (a different one)
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 8:13pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

They're bringing Janeway back, too:

Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman said, “Captain Janeway was held to a different standard than her predecessors. She was asked to embody an inhuman level of perfection in order to be accepted as ‘good enough’ by the doubters, but showed them all what it means to be truly outstanding. We can think of no better captain to inspire the next generation of dreamers on Nickelodeon, than she.”
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Dave in MN
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 8:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

I don't look at those characters and think "Trek", I see a hodgepodge that looks more like the toy shelf at Target. or Guardians of the Galaxy.

Bringing smarmy forgettable Okona (of all people) back is tone deaf .... that was one of TNG's lamest episodes.

I think this falils as a gateway to Trek and it wi'll bomb big time.
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Bob (a different one)
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 7:45pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

"This show is doomed!"


i know almost nothing about the show, but after browsing online for a while it looks like a lot of Trek fans are very excited about it. This is a show that is going to be aimed at kids so maybe Trek parents are excited about watching the show with their children, but my impression is that their is just a large section of the base that automatically LOVES anything that bears the Star Trek name.


I really don't understand the Trek fan base. But then again, I don't like comic book movies either so maybe I'm just out of step with our current culture.
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Bob (a different one)
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 7:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: Redemption, Part II

The Worf/Klingon plot is fantastic.

The Data plot is ok. It's very reminiscent of Geordi's story in Arsenal of Freedom and it suffers from some of the same problems. Mainly that the antagonist is a little too over the top. This plot was rehashed too many times during the series' run; almost everyone gets a turn in the captain's seat.

The Sela plot is not good. Any random Romulan character would have worked better in her place. Two main complaints:

1) The writers wasted valuable time having to explain her origin. At least three scenes were devoted to doing this. That time could have been better used bracing up the Data plot.

2) As William pointed out above, Sela's existence undermines one of the show's best episodes, Yesterday's Enterprise. Here's a portion of William's comment:

"Rather depressingly (or amusingly, depending on your mood), after "Yesterday's Enterprise" gave Tasha a meaningful death after her pointless death in "Skin of Evil," we find out that alternate-Tasha *actually* was executed by Romulans for trying to escape from being a consort. The weird, almost sickening tragedy is that Yar, who apparently ran around away from rape gangs and whose first "centric" episode was about her nearly being "forced into marriage" in exchange for a vaccine ended up trading her body for other people's lives, and then was killed when she tried to leave. "


One step forward, two steps back. They should have just buried her under some makeup and let her play a totally different character.


Still a good episode despite my nitpicks.
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Dave in MN
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 6:31pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

@ Different Bob

Good God, what?! 🤣😂😅

This show is doomed!
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Frake's Nightmare
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 6:18pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: When the Bough Breaks

Wesley's jumper - the pretendy uniform effort again.
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Frake's Nightmare
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 5:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Home Soil

Wesley's jumper - still the blue-grey thing with the red/gold/blue striping.
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Jason R.
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 5:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: The Inner Light

"...so you didn't actually have a point then, did you?"

The truth points to itself.
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Crobert
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 5:04pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Elementary, Dear Data

I love that we get Pulaski coming right at Data. I like the conflict and I like how it makes us feel given that most of us probably consider Data in our top 2-3 favorite characters in the show.

I liked pretty much everything about this episode, it's one of the holodeck episodes that clicks for me. Data solving every mystery because he had them stored in his memory is a great bit because we see Data totally missing the point and learning about it, somewhat.

I like the exchange between Picard and Moriarity and that's all fun and interesting but I kept finding myself wishing that instead of there being a threat to the ship or anything that the stakes had remained low and we would have found out in the end that Pulaski was working with Moriarity as part of the game as a way to prove Data couldn't adapt and interpret new info and challenges. Ah well.
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Buckbart
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 5:01pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Begotten

Anytime James Sloyan shows up in Trek, good things happen.
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Crobert
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:56pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: The Child

Worf assuming the responsibility of tucking in Wesley is a genuinely funny comment and probably the first bit of humor from this show I've seen to still hold up today.

I hate when Dr. Pulaski shows up because she's such a better actor and more interesting character than the Bevster. I hate it because I see all the lost potential had they kept her around for the entire series. I know a lot of people don't like Pulaski and I don't 'like' her in the sense that I find her to be a mostly-unlikeable character but in a way that is enjoyable and has the potential for good interpersonal plotlines with the rest crew. Sadly we'll soon be, yet again, stuck with one-note Beverly Crusher who is probably the second weakest actor in the cast ahead of only Burton. Such a shame, Pulaski owns.


Agree wholeheartedly about how poorly they handled a crew member getting impregnated by an alien and then giving birth a day later. It's bizarre how quickly they just go 'Oh well, that's a thing that happens I guess. Send him to daycare'.

There's a lot about TNG that falls apart if you think about it too much but this is one of the most egregious cases. Don't write about a bizarre and upsetting thing like this and then just act like it's fine.

Really wanna know why they took extra time to make sure we knew that Troi's lady parts were ship shape after the delivery. She could have had her scenes while recovering. I don't know, man, this show sometimes....I just don't know.
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Frake's Nightmare
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:44pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: Marauders

Trip! Trip! Come back!
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Frake's Nightmare
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: A Night in Sickbay

'Trained diplomat' ????? Hah!
Still waiting for that Star Trek: Pets series - Spot & Porthos are shoe ins !
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Luke
Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 3:48pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: Genesis

“...they look like something you would find in the discount aisle at Target.”

So, in other words, like all 24th century civilian clothes. LOL!
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