Comment Stream

Search and bookmark options Close
Search for:
Search by:
Clear bookmark | How bookmarks work
Note: Bookmarks are ignored for all search results

Total Found: 74,054 (Showing 1-25)

Next ►Page 1 of 2,963
Set Bookmark
John
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 3:57am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Hero Worship

I would be more impressed by this episode (which I haven't seen for years) if it did depict a psychotic break, with Troi encouraging Timothy to explore it. That was a theme being explored in the psychiatric literature of the 1990s, with the re-characterization of psychosis as a harmful state to be suppressed with medication, towards viewing it as a spiritual emergency which when explored in a supportive environment confers vast benefits upon a successful resolution.

It may not turn out to be a valid approach based on how it's depicted in the episode, but this is science fiction and based on the current science it's a perfectly valid topic to explore as a possibility. Handheld medical devices emitting magical blue healing rays are far more unlikely.

But then, I'm probably in the minority in thinking the decline of Trek is very much linked to its unwillingness to question current paradigms of thinking.
Set Bookmark
OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 3:11am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Hero Worship

Many therapists may agree with you Booming, but they are wrong.

I've seen more than one kid being sent down a downward spiral (sometimes an IRREVERSIBLE downward spiral) due to therapists who label his methods of coping as a "psychosis".

I've seen this approach leading to self-destruction, stunted social development, and in more than a few cases - suicide. I've also helped more than one kid to recover their self-respect and their ability to heal, after this kind of damage was done to them.

And you know something else? I've discovered that when kids are treated with respect and are given the proper time to heal, they eventually grow out of the need for such coping mechanisms - all by themselves.

Just like Timothy grew out of it, eventually, in this episode.

In short, I can tell you from my own experience in this field: Troi was 100% right. My respect to her grew considerably after this episode.
Set Bookmark
Booming
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 2:46am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Hero Worship

I think there are clear signs of a psychosis, on the other hand we both don't know much about that stuff. We both may be wrong.

The resolution is a little clean for my taste. The people who made it said something like:" Data wants to be human, now a kid wants to be Data." That drives the plot, not what kind of mental problem the kid has.

Still for me the episode did not work and Troy often says stuff that sounds sciency but has actual therapists probably up in arms.

It is interesting how many people here wanted to be Data. I guess it makes sense in a way, being an unfeeling robot who is constantly confused by the emotional beings surrounding him (theme: antagonistic relationship to ones own feelings; not uncommon in males, especially in older birth cohorts). Super strength, smart, fast.

I always identified with Picard, though. Reserved, respectful, thoughtful, baldsexy(tm).
Set Bookmark
CaptainMercer
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 2:28am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Just watched Lower Decks "Second Contact ". Painful. Hard to watch. Hated the story and the animation. I mainly hated the voice acting. People speak two sentences, literally one after the other, not even a breath between words or pauses. It annoyed me.
Set Bookmark
Booming
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 2:17am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Yeah, I'm enjoying all this quite a bit as well. NuTrek is like a rich sheltered white guy gangsta rapping. You can't look away...

And the Kurtzmanistas like Chronek are really the cherry on top.
Set Bookmark
OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 1:56am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

@The Chronek
"Get a life!"

The one and only James T. Kirk said it first, on that SNL sketch;-)
Set Bookmark
OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 1:35am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Funny thing about Lower Decks, is that I might actually enjoy watching it as some kind of parody on the current state of Star Trek.

If somebody posted exactly the same material on youtube as a spoof on how shallow "modern" Trek is, I'd probably love it. The fact that TPTB themselves are publishing this as an official Trek series with a straight face, somehow makes the entire thing even funnier.

It's impossible to treat Picard or Discovery in this way, because they are so darn serious all the time. But with LDS (ha!) this approach could actually lead to a cathartic experience.
Set Bookmark
Dirk
Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 12:31am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Soldiers of the Empire

I'm going to assume the script was rushed in the writing stage. The material isn't compelling at all. Martok is my favorite Klingon, and JG Hertzler's acting is always a treat. But, as many have mentioned, this is just another retread of stereotypes. Nothing really convinces us that Martok is lesser for his incarceration.

Strangely, this really reminded me of an AA meeting, especially one where no one there has anything interesting to say.
Set Bookmark
Trent
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 10:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: PIC S1: Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2

Some decent comments in this long and verbose discussion about whether or not Picard portrays the Federation as a dystopia:

https://old.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/comments/i3r759/the_future_of_star_trek_picard_is_a_dystopia/
Set Bookmark
Trent
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 9:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

The RICK and MORTY connection might be promising; RICK and MORTY has always been very science fiction literate, and has pushed both familiar and obscure SF tropes to some pretty weird and interesting extremes. Remove the nihilism and sociopathy of RICK and MORTY, and add some Trek decor, and you might have a neat cartoon.

But unless you're a director like Miyazaki, I can't see a comedic Trek cartoon having the weight, gravity and audience-investment of a good live-action Trek series. And IMO that's what many have been waiting for since Voyager ended.
Set Bookmark
Trent
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 8:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Masterpiece Society

I thought this episode had three great scenes. In the first, we watch a simple piano ceremony, which then leads to Troi and her impromptu lover's nighttime walk. It's an atmospheric little sequence.

Next we have Picard and Troi's conversation in the turbolift, where she confesses her lapses in judgement as he thoughtfully and sympathetically listens. Stewart sells the moment with some excellent, wordless closeups.

The next great moment simply occurs when Picard finally decides to beam down to the planet ("I think it's time I go down there and meet their leader" etc). The little sequence has a certain momentous quality to it; like a King finally deigning to visit the rabble and pass judgement. It's a trope (Picard finally beams down to dispense wisdom!) that seemed to fade away after season 1.

Beyond this, I agree with most criticisms voiced by others. Most annoying is the way the episode strawman's the "genetically perfect" society. A better script would have these uber-men questioning the supposed "free will" of Picard's gang, who are all beholden to a bevy of deterministic and indeterministic forces, and who are all themselves the products of a kind of evolutionary "genetic engineering".

A better script would have also logically discussed anti-natalism. If genetic engineering robs an individual of choices and challenges, as Picard argues, then life itself is an imposition without consent. You don't get to dictate what challenges a fetus deserves to face.

The ways genetic screening and engineering helps save lives, and helps avoid suffering and dangerous defects etc should also be brought up. Instead, the society is used to make a far narrower point: to defend the disabled, the impaired and the aborted. Which is fine. But it's a very narrow stance - a product of the 1980s-1990s - which ignores a range of massive ancillary issues.

Didn't Voyager have a similar, better episode on genetic engineering? I can't quite remember.
Set Bookmark
Tommy D.
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 8:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

@CaptainMercer

I watch Evil, mostly because I still view Michael Emerson as Harold Finch.
Set Bookmark
Tommy D.
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 8:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/star-trek-lower-decks-review-comfort-food-with-a-comic-twist/?comments=1

A generally positive (spoiler free) review of the first two episodes.
Set Bookmark
CaptainMercer
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 8:21pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I might as ae watch Lower Decks.
I have CBSAA.. for Ren and Stimpy
Set Bookmark
Mark
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 7:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Before and After

Hmmm...
The doctor has a name and a full head of hair. Harry not only gets promoted, but finds romance as well. And Chakotay, by becoming captain, finally would have had the opportunity for some character development.

I think I liked "Before and After's" timeline better than the one we actually got.
Set Bookmark
Gerontius
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 7:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Violations

I think there were the makings of a better episode there, but what we goy was somewhat confusing. The physical rape effort at the end didn't make sense - I imagine it was there to allow Troi to strenuously and effectively defend herself, which suppose was meant to give here dignity a boost.

What I'd have liked would have been for Troi's memories to give rise to a false belief that Riker had once raped her, and that she'd repressed that memory up till then. This would ultimately have been exposed as a false memory put there by Jev.

I disagree with the suggestion that Picard's little sermon was in any way patronising.
It's a mistake to read his talk of human society has having evolved beyond our violent past as being about physical evolution. He's talking about cultural evolution, and he's quite right to remind us that the changes that can bring are extremely fragile. At least as true in the 21st century as in the 24th. (And vice versa, undoubtedly.)
Set Bookmark
Dave in MN
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 6:29pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

^

I'm not big on emoji, but this deserves a 🤣😂

I'm steeling myself for the first episode of Lower Ds., but I won't deny that a part of me is interested to see just how bad it gets.

Will it be worse than Cats The Movie? We shall see ....
Set Bookmark
Trent
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 3:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

Treksplainer: Dave, you just don't like modern, updated Trek. Kurtzman Trek is hardly unrecognizable.

DAVE: The issue isn't that Trek is unrecognizable, it's that Kurtzman Trek is recognizably total generic sh*t.

Treksplainer: You're stuck in the past! And the past wasn't so hot anyway!

Dave: Nah, Kurtzman-Trek is the kind of storytelling people used to watch Old Trek to avoid.

Treksplainer: Well I'm enjoying it. Maybe you should stop gatekeeping and dictating to fans what's good and what's not.

Dave: *bashes head on wall repeatedly* PICARD LITERALLY ENDS WITH THE FEDERATION'S GREATEST CAPTAIN STOPPING A ROMULAN ARMADA WITH A MAGICAL IMAGINATION IPHONE.

Treksplainer: Trek was always silly. Did you forget about Spock's Brain!

Dave: No. BUT I DON'T WANT AN ENTIRE SEASON OF IT.

Booming: *walks by* Guys, what's up?

Dave: F*CK OFF BOOMING!


.....is how all Trek debates will go under the Kurtzman Regime™.
Set Bookmark
Dave in MN
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 3:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

A very good analogy, Marlboro.

It reminds me of when Smashing Pumpkins decided they were no longer a grunge band but am electronica outfit. Billy Corgan and Co. had the artistic license to do whatever they wished, of course, but the fandom evaporated when they heard the newer stuff. It wasn't the genre or style they were accustomed to and been conditioned to anticipate (hence the band going from selling 15 million albums to barely cracking a million).

There comes a point where something can become so unrecognizable as to no longer be what it purports to be.
Set Bookmark
Marlboro
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 12:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

"Why do so many "real" Trek fans feel a need to be douches to those who are fans of the new stuff? "


Imagine you are a fan of classical music. Now imagine your favorite orchestra slowly phasing out the classics for "A Night of Nickelback" or "Biz Markie sings Puccini." Nobody likes seeing the things they love subsumed into something they dislike. If some people like Nickelback, that's fine. Just don't expect me to applaud when my local NPR station changes formats and starts playing bro rock.
Set Bookmark
The Chronek
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 12:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Lower Decks

I'll watch Lower Decks, but I'll wait on it. If I resubscribe to All Access for Discovery season 3, I'll binge it then. Or, if by some miracle, we get a definitive premiere date for Picard season 2, I'll wait until that premieres, then binge it all.

Gods. Why do so many "real" Trek fans feel a need to be douches to those who are fans of the new stuff? Get a life.
Set Bookmark
Mark
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:25am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Let He Who Is Without Sin...

While I didn't hate this one with the passion that others did, it's certainly not great. Adding an episode that dark from Worf's past (oh, yeah, he killed a kid once, and we never mentioned it in eight seasons) is almost as bad as MacGyver's producers just randomly adding that he was a professional race driver once and it never got mentioned in the previous six seasons. But I liked Worf's innovative way of "attacking" Risa.

Semi humorously, Fullerton's version of fundamentalism kind of fell flat. In a society that apparently doesn't believe in hell, it's just not that scary.
Set Bookmark
Peter G.
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 10:37am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Hero Worship

@ Booming,

Since there is no sign here of a psychosis I'm not sure that any of that applies. It is never stated that Timothy is having an actual delusion that he is an android, nor is any emotional content in the episode indicative of a psychotic break. He's just hiding behind roleplay and imitating his hero, you know, just like the title of the episode says. It's not called hero psychosis, it's called hero worship. So no, it's not dangerous to allow him to explore being calm and at peace while he gives himself time to come to terms with what's happened. It's also not bad to let him develop a bond with someone he trusts (Data) so that he doesn't have to live the trauma alone.

It's a very nice episode, and I agree it's typically underrated. This is one of the 'watch anytime' ones.
Set Bookmark
Booming
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 10:10am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Seventh Season Recap

fair and balanced.

Honestly it is a very bad argument. It is full of mistakes. The authors are clearly biased. It shows a lack of imagination.

This one really made me laugh because it is so obviously wrong.
"Firstly, it is already visible now that Western industrial (secondary) societies are turning into service (tertiary) economies and ultimately into financial (quaternary) economies."
When was this written? 1947? Hahaha.
Anybody with a vague understanding of economics knows that this is just nonsense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-industrial_society#/media/File:Clark's_Sector_model.png

And that the text praises Star Trek Picard at the end and states that what we saw in TNG was just the shiny side of the coin really takes cake. Did CBS hire somebody for this?!
Set Bookmark
Booming
Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 9:35am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Hero Worship

Many even more highly qualified therapists will tell you that feeding a psychosis is not the same as exploring trauma under the watchful eye of a therapist.

Data is literally incapable of empathy and does not understand emotions because he doesn't have any. Sending a child in emotional turmoil to him is probably the worst decision a therapist could make. It is equivalent to sending the boy to a well-meaning psychopath.
Next ►Page 1 of 2,963
▲Top of Page | Menu | Copyright © 1994-2020 Jamahl Epsicokhan. All rights reserved. Unauthorized duplication or distribution of any content is prohibited. This site is an independent publication and is not affiliated with or authorized by any entity or company referenced herein. See site policies.