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Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 1:37pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Shadows and Symbols

Ugghhh. For some time, I had been thinking that this was looking like the best Trek series. Some really good episodes, touching at times and hilarious at others. But I have a bad feeling about Season 7. I can't stand all the mystical mumbo jumbo, and what's up with implying that all these characters are a figment of someone's imagination INSIDE THE SHOW??? Ezri seems like a useless, immature juvenile. At this point, I barely even feel like I want to finish the series.
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Bob (a different one)
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:23am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

^ I got so caught up in my response to DonMel that I forgot to leave a comment on the episode itself!

It's a good one. One of my favorites from the first three seasons. One thing I think Voyager did well was creating new alien races; the Vidiians are one of my favorites.

"Welcome to the bridge" is also an awesome moment; one of the most memorable from the entire series.
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Frank Offenhaus
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:21am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Apocalypse Rising

I love this episode but the biggest problem which I never see pointed out is the timing of the event that moves into Act III namely when Sisko is discovered by Martok.

The entire setup of the devices is ready to go and Sisko is literally about to activate it which would've caused everyone to see the Martok changeling. But when his fake name is called by Gowron, he just stops and walks up to Gowron to be discovered. It makes no sense at all. It's not like anyone knows what this guy looks like off the top of their head. So a little confusion about where the guy Gowron called ensues just before Martok is exposed.

Why Sisko stops and decides to walk up to Gowron can only be explained by accepting that the plot needed to move forward as written in the script which is a big problem for me. instead, they should've had Sisko's fake name called while Odo was dealing with getting the final device into place. This isn't the first episode in which poorly directed / timed events made me go "uh... what?"

That's a lot of writing to cover what is basically a minor annoyance. 3 stars seems fair.
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Bob (a different one)
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:16am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

What's the premise of Voyager?

It's about a ship a long way from home surrounded by danger both from enemies and nature itself while being totally cut off from the help and support of the Federation. "How will they survive to make it home?" is a question at the very heart of the series.

But it rarely felt that way. Problems like damage to the ship or being low on supplies were magically solved between episodes. One minute the ship is low on energy, the next we're having a holodeck adventure - because "holodeck energy is different."

Voyager is like Robinson Crusoe...if Crusoe had a McDonald's and a Home Depot on his island.

It also completely abandoned the (brilliant) idea of having a ship manned by Federation and Maquis which would have given the show some much needed drama, conflict, and character growth.

What you are left with is a watered down TNG, with a weaker cast, and without all the worldbuilding that had been done with the Alpha, Beta, and Gamma quadrants.

The show is still ok. There are some truly great episodes that rank amongst the best of Trek, imo. But it will always feel like a missed opportunity to me because, on paper, this really could have been something special.

If they had had the guts to stick with the original concept, they would have combined the best of DS9 (characterization) and the best of TNG (exploration and high concept sci-fi).
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Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 6:00am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

Idk what's the obsession with wanting to see Voyager torn to shreds and have them limping home throughout the whole series. People even wanted Year of Hell to be a season long arc. It seem like it just wouldn't work for Voyager.

Being the only people stuck in the Delta Quadrant is depressing enough, besides we have DS9 for all the heavy stuff. Let this show give you an hour of action then let it have its reset button. Enjoy Voyager for what it is.

This still had an intense and high stakes feel to me. The later half of season 2 has some of the best episodes in the early seasons.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk

This is worth a lot more than one star - despite being a bit silly.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:28pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Afterimage

Just watched this episode. Not really liking Ezri. Adding her to the cast seemed pointless.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 9:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S4: Divergence

Enjoyed having Section 31 involved (despite them being too easily duped), but Malcolm is the worst secret agent ever! Completely fails to cover his tracks and leaves a direct trail back to his superiors. If I were Harris, I'd be quite happy to cut ties with him by the end of this fiasco.

I didn't really care for this storyline and thought they should have just left well enough alone. They redesigned the Klingons when they had a bigger budget, and then DS9 made a joke about it. No need to waste two episodes explaining it. Oh well.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 7:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S4: Affliction

Plenty to like here, but I feel the same about the Klingon virus as I did when I first heard about this storyline, which is to say that the exchange in Trials and Tribble-ations was all the explanation we ever needed. I know this season has been largely about building toward TOS, but fixing the Vulcans and forming the Alliance were story threads, while this is purely a production/behind the scenes matter. Like what's next, are we gonna explain why the Romulans don't have their ridges again until Next Gen? Or why the warp core looks different?
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Frake's Nightmare
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 4:57pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Angel One

Wesley's jumper - not a jumper but there is a silver padded jumpsuit, with tank top and matching headband. Snazzy!
Then back to his gold, red, blue stripe thing.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: Rules of Engagement

I like the story and especially the presentation. The characters reliving the scenario and interacting directly with the camera while stepping out of the scenario is effective and draws you in. My only real problem is that we've been over the fact that Worf has had every rank. privilege, and holding that was Klingon stepped away. The idea that they could demand the return of someone they don't recognize as a real Klingon is a step too far, and should have been Sisko's first argument.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Coming of Age

"Bonus amusement at the idea of Starfleet bringing in failed actors for low paying gigs for corporate training (something I've personally done) instead of just using holodeck tech..."

I would hope that the "lab" was at least in a holodeck even if the actors were real. Otherwise that's an awful lot of construction for a two minute test of one cadet candidate.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:46pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: The Die Is Cast

I'm assuming the Jem'Hadar didn't know that Odo was on the runabout, because there's no way they'd kill a god.
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Peter H
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S4: Waking Moments

The more I watch this show the more I appreciate Tukok and Janeway's relationship. Tuvok genuinely loses his temper and practically has a full on emotional outburst when Janeway returns from the dream warp core explosion unharmed.

I never really appreciated him first time round, but to me now he's the secret star of the show. From the scene in Scientific Method where he comforts Janeway by saying he'll "share a glass of wine" with her, to their tender "goodbye" In year of Hell Part 2, to all the way back in Season 1 where he takes part in illicit behaviour to spare Janeway from making an uncomfortable ethical decision.

I'm always desperate to know what he'll say and do next!
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Bob (a different one)
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:44am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Up the Long Ladder

This episode is a relic of the old days of tv where every Irishman was loud and obnoxious, every Gypsy a thief, every Texan was a rich oil tycoon, and every southerner a hillbilly. Amazingly enough, the broad Irish stereotypes were the least offensive thing about the episode.

The clone plot could have made an excellent episode; I would have loved to have seen a more in depth examination of a culture based on only 5 people. Unfortunately, it's completely half-baked. Bob pointed out several of the things I was going to complain about so I won't bother rehashing all of that.

After rewatching several season 1 and 2 episodes recently I've grown to really dislike Riker. He's smug, arrogant, and his interactions with women come across as smarmy instead of charming.

RIKER: You want to clone us?
RIKER: No way, not me.
GRANGER: How can you possibly be harmed?
RIKER: It's not a question of harm. One William Riker is unique, perhaps even special. But a hundred of him, a thousand of him diminishes me in ways I can't even imagine.
GRANGER: You would be preserving yourself.
RIKER: Human beings have other ways of doing that. We have children.

I'm sure Granger was just chomping at the bit to clone a chunky balding middle-aged guy. Whatever will the colony do without those magnificent tromboning skills?!
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Bob (a different one)
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:31am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

Here's an animated gif of the infamous head explosion scene if anyone is interested:
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Bob (a different one)
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:18am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Pen Pals

Yeah, I don't think Data was in character. I think that he would have realized the PD issue quickly and reported his actions sooner. Worf was way too dick-ish, too, imo.

The dialog in this episode was very unnatural. The crew meetings felt like a bunch of college kids sitting around debating stuff. It felt like a group of people who were studying the PD for the first time instead of career officers who had years of experience dealing with the various facets of it under their belts.

The Wesley subplot was boring and useless as usual.

He's such a Mary Sue. The first officer of the flagship of the fleet is personally responsible for Wes' education? The ship's department heads spend a staff meeting hashing out how Wes should be shepherded into adulthood? Wes is enchardged with leading a project to save an entire freaking planet?! And he succeeds of course. He triumphed by telling an extremely laidback dude to run a scan, which the guy immediately did. Such conflict! Such character growth!
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Bob (a different one)
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:55am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Latent Image

Probably already been pointed out but the basic premise of this episode is flawed.

If the Doc's memory can be altered, why not 1) do it in a non half-assed way to begin with or 2) just do it a second time

Seems a lot easier than a massive ship wide conspiracy that nearly drives the EMH insane.
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William B
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:49am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: Crossfire

That's funny because going by their jobs it's Odo who is Louis. Which I guess fits better than you'd expect. Odo did basically collaborate during the occupation, just Louis had far fewer illusions about his role.
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Bob (a different one)
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:48am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Symbiosis

"the Prime Directive is invoked almost always elicits an eyeroll from me because it's clear that it only matters to the writers when the plot demands"

Yep, it's the plot driven inconsistency that bothers me the most.

There is an interesting moral dilemma it this episode, but the setup is too implausible.


1) The drug addicted planet isn't plausible because the populace seems to have devolved to the point that they have the intelligence of Pakleds. I suppose this was done to explain why they were incapable of figuring out what was really going on with the "medicine" but it makes their society seem unrealistic.

2) The drug dealing planet isn't plausible either, because if they are smart enough to run this scam for this long they are smart enough to realize that they can't depend on their customers for transportation.

3) The scale is way off. An entire planet is being supported by what can be carried on three cargo ships?

With a little tweaking (ahem) the plot could have worked.

What if the drug addicted planet knew the "medicine" was nothing more than dope, and just didn't care? Or, at least, weren't willing to go through the pain of withdrawals. Change from two dimensional drug pushers to three dimensional characters who are dealers but who also have some shreds of guilt over being enablers; deep down they are still doing what they do for selfish reasons, but they rationalize it as doing it to "help" their poor neighbors.

Picard's dilemma would still be the same: do the right thing for planet B and there will be unknown and potentially disastrous consequences for planet A. Except now you don't have an easy situation where it feels like the villains are simply getting their just deserts and the addicts aren't simply blameless victims.

As it ends now it feels like a cheat. Picard will be able to stick to the letter of the PD, and still give Crusher what she wants; the drug addicted planet will overcome its addiction. The good guys win! The problem is that it's going to cause the exact same problems that Picard was worried about: there will undoubtable be dire consequences for the drug dealing planet; their entire way of life will be destroyed. (Question: Was the entire populace in on the conspiracy?) Heck, there could even be war between the two planets. Who cares? Picard just orders the Enterprise to haul ass out of there and doesn't look back.

If that is an acceptable outcome, then why did Picard "interfere" in the first place by saving the crew of the cargo ship? The only difference is a matter of scale.

Wouldn't a better ending be one in which the Federation agrees to help both planets? Help planet B kick its habit, and agree to send economic advisors and trade negotiators to planet A to help them overcome the upheaval to their economy? At best, you save a lot of lives and gain two new allies. At worst, you have a situation that is still better than the one Picard ultimately left them with.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:25am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: Crossfire

Every time we get some of that good "Louis & Rick" banter, it makes me happy. This was one of the best.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:07am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Gravity

I wish I could learn another language that fast.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 9:20am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Prophet Motive

7 out of 10, the fact Qark annoyed the prophets into submission is worth it
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 7:22am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: Homefront

“HumOns. All you care about is yourselves.” - good delivery by Shimerman; it was very dark and another good insight by his character into human nature.
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Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 5:32am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Latent Image

Everybody wants to be human so bad I honestly don't see the appeal. Like the person above me said I wish I could delete bad experiences from my memory and continue on. As a hologram by all means reprogram me I won't put up a fight. I'll just happily exist in my naive little world, but that wouldn't make for an interesting character I guess.
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