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A A Roi
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 6:40pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

@Trent

I don't think you know what the word Random actually means. Maybe find a word that actually means what you think you are describing.
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PM
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 6:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Also, ALL Romulans are synthetic frankenVulcans

Something the Vulcans created and that Vulcan and the Jat Vash have covered up

(what else would be a truth so insane it would drive every Romulan mad...like Daj, they dont even know it).

Callin' it...
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PM
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 6:21pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

said in heavy JFK accent, done only as The Simpsons can:

Mayor Quimby: "Aw! You people don't know what you want!"

Random person in angry mob: "He's right! Give us hell, Quimby!"
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Drea
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 5:30pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

@Trent
"Seven has the knowledge of ten thousand species, a super intellect, and was life-coached by Janeway. That she'd become a "lawless" vigilante who hangs out around a "lawful" Romulan planet protected by a shield, shows up just in time to save Picard, who just happens to fly over to a planet where the woman who Seven holds a personal death-grudge with lives, and where Raffi's long-lost son just happens to also live, is random. "

Not at all! The Romulan evacuation world (established as not particularly lawful) is in the same area of space as Freehold, policed by the same vigilante force. Part of the reason that they visit the Romulan colony is that it's en route to Freehold, and Picard's aware they may not come that way again. It's entirely plausible that Seven would join the Rangers, the only group devoted to protecting this territory, and the plot nearly screams for the Sirena to meet a Ranger. If we add that Seven certainly could've seen the planet's social media blow up with the famous Admiral Picard, a former Borg with politics sympathetic to hers, we even have a reason that she would go out specifically, and not some other Ranger.

There's no need to invoke randomness or coincidence here. This gets more logical the more you think about it instead of less.
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Eric Jensen
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 5:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

I have issue with
1. Wealth and money and expensive
2. Profanity just for the sake of profanity
3. The vaping the addictions by Raffi
4. Poverty? I thought it was eliminated

Devils advocate
1. Non federation colonies still use currency
2. Profanity is only used because it is no longer banned by the network. Not a good excuse to just use profanity... but it shows the humanity. It shows flawed characters and it shows "human" characters
3. Barclay was addicted on tng... addiction is not new
4. If you are off the grid, you have to survive without the federations help...

I still have problems with these. Other than that, Picard is OK.
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Trent
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 4:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Drea said: "Seven's appearance right when she's needed isn't random. This is the lawless part of space where criminals abduct former Borg and murder them for parts."

Seven has the knowledge of ten thousand species, a super intellect, and was life-coached by Janeway. That she'd become a "lawless" vigilante who hangs out around a "lawful" Romulan planet protected by a shield, shows up just in time to save Picard, who just happens to fly over to a planet where the woman who Seven holds a personal death-grudge with lives, and where Raffi's long-lost son just happens to also live, is random.

To better work Seven into this plot, you'd have her already being on Free Cloud. She's spying on the gangsters when she notices Picard running recon on the same. She approaches him and explains her history with the gangsters, and they offer to merge their operations.
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Loud Morn
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 4:35pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Thirty Days

well yeah, this episode certainly aged well... nowadays, fascists like Bolsonaro and Trump do have that sort of rhetoric like "respect our borders don't meddle in our internal affairs". Janeway demonstrates just how outdated mainstream liberalism is with the non-meddling policy in case of an environmental catastrophy. Of course Paris, the romantic eco-anarchist is going to get all the bashing. Who cares about orders and military fetishism when the planet is in danger?
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Drea
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 4:16pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Wow, the people who feel negatively about this show feel *very* negatively!

Seven's appearance right when she's needed isn't random. This is the lawless part of space where criminals abduct former Borg and murder them for parts. Seven belongs to the vigilante force that fights this. The only implausible part is that she hasn't tracked down her target sooner. But I'll roll with it.

The primary arc of the season concerns the Romulans, the Borg, and positronic androids. This episode advanced that plot with its own self-contained story centered around rescuing Maddox. That's effective arc-based storytelling! Whether Seven has her own arc from here, and how often she shows up, has no effect on that. Many characters on TNG or DS9 had extremely effective series-wide arcs but showed up in fewer episodes than you might remember.

I would say that PIC has been a bit inefficient about its characters. We spend time establishing Picard's housekeepers only to put them offscreen and introduce Elnor, when Tal'Shiar operatives seem more useful. We give the audience immediate emotional stakes in Dahj and then immediately kill her off to focus on her slightly less relatable sister. Narek and Rizzo are of course a disaster. If Rios is indeed a hologram, we're withholding that from the audience as a plot surprise instead of exploring what that existence means for him from the jump. It's far from awful but holds the series back some.

Side thought: Picard's delegating Maddox's care to Agnes derives from a believable character flaw. Maddox is his primary mission target right now; he ought to stay present and focus on his care himself, regardless how much he trusts his companions. It's not like Agnes is any kind of medical doctor. But he still think he's the delegating captain on a Federation starship and takes basic safety for granted. Guess what, that gets another person killed.
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wolfstar
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 4:06pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

I had a lovely day today - met a friend for coffee, we talked solidly for 4 hours, then I did some shopping and had a pleasant drive back home.

I am absolutely not going to end that day - or week - by watching Icheb be tortured to death for no reason other than shock and awe. And this kind of content isn't suitable for the family members I watch Star Trek with either, so I have told them we're stopping the series and why.

For the most part, I find Discovery to be violent, nonsensical claptrap, but at least - to its credit - it handled Pike, Spock and Number One well throughout its latest season. In fact it handled them better than its own main cast. "Picard" is butchering beloved legacy characters - in some cases literally - for edginess and cheap titillation. These writers only know how to tear down. I will not pay for this.

Seven built solid relationships during her time on Voyager. First with the Doctor and with Tuvok, the two crew members she had most in common with, as well as with Harry and with Janeway (not without its bumps). Even her and B'Elanna, while never close, respected each others' competence and professionalism. We watched Seven build solid, trusting relationships with the crew, and become a mother figure first to One, then Naomi, then Icheb. By the final episodes, she was exploring beginning a romantic relationship and had tentatively established contact with a relative on Earth. Thanks to all the relationships she built up in those 4 years, Seven had a big support network of people who cared about her and who she cared about in return.

So of course she's going to become an embittered loner gunslinger. Of course. And of course, being a female character, her character motivation and reason for being a badass is "they killed her kid".

Next week on Star Trek Picard: Rom has terminal lobe cancer and Neelix is a child sex trafficker! But don't worry, Dr. Crusher is armed with space nunchucks and she's comin' for him.
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William B
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 3:54pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

@Trent,

"Kurtzman's resume is literally an unending line of absolute crap. He's like Ed Wood, Uwe Boll and Michael Bays all rolled up into one."

Ed Wood (sometimes) made intensely personal movies he wanted to make, like Glen or Glenda. To call the finished work confused would be an understatement, and it's not exactly easy for anyone to tell exactly what it was he was trying to say, but he definitely seemed to be trying to say something. Tim Burton could make a celebratory picture about him and link him to Orson Welles as a man of titanic vision and passion for moviemaking -- he just happens to be completely bonkers and inattentive to the most basic elements of craft or taste. I don't see anyone making that kind of biopic about Kurtzman. Uwe Boll is also a bizarre character IRL and Michael Bay was reportedly a prodigy filmmaker as a student, who quickly channeled everything into soulless moneymaking. They are all kind of more interesting figures than Kurtzman IMO, who strikes me as a middle management type more so than either mad creative, outsider failure or even talent-turned-abject-sellout, though maybe there's an artist in there somewhere. (I haven't watched PICARD yet, so I'm not talking about this show right now!)
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Trent
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 3:46pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

A A Roi said: "payoffs in Discovery were highly specific and foreshadowed in both seasons. Calling them random is ridiculous."

Well yes. "Discovery's" little plot points were HIGHLY SPECIFIC and SUPER ENGINEERED. The way MICHAEL was SPOCK'S SISTER, and MICHAEL and HER MOM were RED ANGELS crucial for the survival of the universe, and the way the DOC is a MUSHROOM CLONE protected by tree bark from mycellial network soil erosion is all very SPECIFIC and FORESHADOWED.

It's also all RANDOM and RIDICULOUS.

It's like me providing DNA evidence, skin samples and 12 years worth of CCTV footage to prove that I'm related to Bigfoot.

The show's already overloaded; to take time out to watch Raffi weep over her son and his pregnant wife...it's just so unintentionally funny, and out of left field. Discovery did this stuff all the time. With this episode and the last one, we're now seeing Picard do it as well.
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Trent
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 3:36pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Eric Jensen said: "and you, Hank, have a better grasp of writing the story better than those who are actually doing the job."

Kurtzman's resume is literally an unending line of absolute crap. He's like Ed Wood, Uwe Boll and Michael Bays all rolled up into one.
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Trent
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 3:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Eric Jensen said: "For the record, check IMDb"

What's it say? Seven returns? I hope so. Picard's on a mission to a Borg cube, and has Seven, a giant Borg super genius drop right into his lap, and he just lets her flutter away.
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Trent
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 3:12pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Bold Helmsman "Don't you think it's a little quick to say Seven won't be involved in the Borg plot?"

Like Harry Mudd was involved in Discovery's Klingon plot?

Like the Talosians were involved in the Red Angel plot?

Kurtzman's brain works this way: "Okay, which 90s Trek character can we bring back for the fans? Someone with links to the Borg? Okay, nice! Squeeze that in!"
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Brian
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 3:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Not terrible. Rocky start but gets more tolerable as the episode goes on. It's still more like Star Trek turned upside down than Star Trek but I guess it's to be expected. I don't know why they bothered if they were just going to take all of our most cherished characters and not improve them in any way, shape or form. Picard's been better, 7 has been better. I'm expecting Riker to show up and admit he blew Troi out of an airlock somewhere and started drinking and doesn't remember Picard.
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Eric Jensen
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 3:00pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

//Seven waits 13 years to enact her revenge//

Hank
Have you sent an email to the writers? Patrick Stewart is an EXECUTIVE Producer and he would like to hear your criticisms. Look up his agent, Hank, and send an email or even call him! Call Patrick Stewart and tell him (he is an executive producer, repeated for emphasis) that the writers are substandard and you, Hank, have a better grasp of writing the story better than those who are actually doing the job.
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A A Roi
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 2:58pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

@Trent

You may not have liked payoffs in Discovery, but they were highly specific and foreshadowed in both seasons. Calling them random is ridiculous.
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Eric Jensen
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 2:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

For the record, check IMDb and it says Jeri Ryan is to be in all episodes till the end, since episode 4. I think Trent is seriously making unnecessary assumptions.
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Hank
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 2:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Yeah, yeah, sure ... Seven waits 13 years to enact her revenge, even though it's her defining character moment, it seems. Walking towards gunfire without cover, dual wielding machine gun lasers, because she just doesn't care anymore, because in the far future, there is only one way to grow your character: Nihilistic and cynical - she doesn't even try to save Icheb, it's the wild west, folks, a horse with a broken leg gets shot. What's that, holographic lung of Neelix? Ah, shit, seems like we forgot about you, we only do leeches now. But at least she's a dirty harry clone now: "Go ahead, make my day." Because of course a hyper-intelligent being with half the knowledge of the borg collective spends her days gunslinging. What use is intelligence when you could just use a gun instead? Don't be silly, there is no problem that sufficient firepower can not solve!

Ah, Icheb. We hardly knew ya. And of course no anesthetic, you want your cybernetically enhanced, super-humanly-strong ex-borg to be fully aware of whats happening ... Also, do it in the most barbaric way possible, because those implants are worth a fortune, so no biggy if you accidentally drill a hole into the cortical implant because you don't use a scanner, but a dull plexiglass drill and the Mk. I eyeball instead. LOGIC. Oh, but maybe they paralyzed him, because everybody in the future is a sadist.

Raffy had a drug problem which ruined her family, how original and relevant - in a future where you can cure almost everything by applying some magic hypo-spray. But even in the far future, blacks will be blacks, amirite? At least our expectations got subverted, because it's an absentee mother now. Yeehah, clich├ęs are SUCH FUN. Right right, it was her pursuit of the truth that broke her family, yadda yadda, because of course that breaks her completely, of course every character is totally imbalanced otherwise there would be no duraaaamaaaa.

Miss "I am too anxious to push a transporter button" murders her lover in cold blood in a VERY painful way instead of just ... dunno, something else less painful? Because as it turns out, she's heard the secret that will DESTROY MINDS. Beware, in the grim darkness of the future, a single contact with the warp will rend your mind and deform your flesh, birthing an abomination of vile, hellish heresy! Yeah, yeah, she cried, but she went through with it anyways. So maybe not cold blood but frozen blood? What's her justification? Killing Hitler? Even though he is no immediate danger? But wait, she got brainwashed by Miss Sunglasses, or somesuch things, in the most horrific way, of course. It included bisecting her brain without anesthetic because torture = authenticity & realism. Remember, folks, the more darkness, pain and blood the more mature your series is, as every human being is more fucked up than the next and there are no good people left, except Picard, and HE STOPPED so he's the worst of them all, except that there's nobody worth saving left anyways, because as soon as you turn away, they betray you and just start murdering everything again.

Next time on Picard: Infiltration of the Borg cube! The Drones awake! Betrayal! Excitement! More sho-ho-cking revelations! Another character with a tragic backstory turns up to berate Picard for giving up! Because nothing says quality writing like piling drama upon drama. Will Romulan brother be raped by Romulan Sister? Will Soji kill her lover? Will Picard hold a speech? Is our beloved cigar smoking badass pilot really a hologram, because the original one got horrifically eviscerated in a flashback? Will Picard hold a speech? Will the EMH tell anybody that he witnessed the murder of Maddox? Is the borg cube secretly engaging in child prostitution? Will there be gambling, alcohol, drugs and course language? Will Picard hold a speech? Tune in next time and find out, on CBS All Access, giving you for money what TV gave you for free!
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Eric Jensen
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 2:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

Trent says //She has nothing to do with Picard's arc. This is a terrible way to integrate Seven into this story. She's a kind of throwaway McGuffin.//

I think these words are stupid and idiotic.
Jean Luc was Locutus.
Hugh is an ex-Borg.
Seven is an ex-Borg.
Icheb was an ex-Borg. This show is about artificial intelligence. This show is so far about Romulans and the Borg...
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STORY??? Throwaway McGuffin... ???

//She just randomly turns up at the precise moment Picard needs a Borg bargaining chip to use on hokey gangsters. Then she goes.//

You mean after a decade returning from the delta quadrant, it is NOT impossible for Seven to just show up? Have you even checked IMDB if Jeri Ryan will come back or are you making unnecessary assumptions based on your stupid words?
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Bob Bobness
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 2:30pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: Rules of Acquisition

@William B
I'm five years late to the party, but I just want to express my appreciation for your excellent analysis of what is possibly my favourite episode in -- obviously (I mean, let's get real) -- the best Star Trek. And before all y'all get your knickers in a twist, that's *favourite* episode, not greatest (similarly, my favourite Buffy is Beer Bad).

The only significant refinement to your argument that I would suggest is that frailty and -- from the point of view of the writers -- vulnerability play an even bigger role in how the characters behave than you give credit for.

Let's go down the list:

Odo -- Odo's self-image is essentially as the uncorruptible lawman, but he tends to break his own self-defined character pretty easily if it's Kira or -- as it turns out here -- family. And his comment about his imaginary brother is a BFD, because it's that part of him that's going to be tested to the limit. I draw a straight line from this first spur-of-the-moment, possibly-not-even-previously-considered notion of family by Odo to his finest moment (and I'd say *the* most powerful moment) in the entire series, in The Die Is Cast): "I want to go home."

Inglatu/Zyree -- Why doesn't Inglatu just try to set himself up as a go-between and skim off the middle? Why does Zyree have to go behind the scenes to get a one-time score, instead of getting in on the action on a permanent basis? Answer: the Dosi aren't just serious about profit like the Ferengi, they're also serious about their entrenched gender bias. Inglatu lets his toxic masculinity get in the way of his capitalism. He's too damn proud to be the middle man! He's got to be the big man.


Quark -- Why does Quark kiss Pel? Please. Quark is seriously sex-deprived. He is already getting turned on by her way early in the episode (I'm betting his sense of smell is telling him things the rest of him doesn't want to hear). And while he doesn't appear to be particularly bothered by the *idea* of homosexuality, he is still VERY uncomfortable when supposedly-male Pel comes on to him. Why?

He's straight, that's all. If you want a really good analogue to this episode, it's Black Adder II: Bells (and yes, @Diamond Dave, you're damned right that DS9 is Shakespearean). And I suspect that -- just like in England -- it's common knowledge on Ferenginar that half the elite is on the down-low. What else do you expect is gonna happen if you deprive the whole female population of education?


Pel -- One of the absolute best characters to only appear once. If she were just a 2-D shoulder-padded super-capitalist, her once-in-a-generation business acumen would be the same sort of facile hand-waving that makes (all that I could stomach of) Voyager and most of Pepsi Generation so unwatchable. No, the reason she is so impressive is that she is totally believable. So strong, so determined, so amazingly talented, and consequently so completely isolated. She knows what she wants, and crucially, it's not really that much -- a thriving business, and a sexual partner that she can respect.

The scene with the Grand Nagus is only unrealistic if you expect her to have limitless ambition. She is in a very good position to infiltrate his circle and make some serious latinum. But that would mean a hell of a lot more stress, and much more dangerous consequences if she is exposed: palace intrigues, blackmail opportunities, and -- remember, this stuff is filmed in LA -- sexual exploitation.

That's too much. That's not what she's after. She just wants a normal middle-class existence like your average Joe Ferengi. And she came to DS9 in the first place because there was a business that would hire Ferengis, but not so many of them that she'd have to spend all her energy worrying about being outed. Unfortunately for her, Odo's vigilance has already impelled Quark to force Nog to take that locksmithing course.

So she gets there and she gets hot for Quark. She calls it love, but is it? Maybe, maybe not. But then, something extraordinary happens at the Dosi market: Quark dumps the vat of wine.

***
Think about it. Under normal circumstances, that would be laughably out of character. Quark just does not have the stones for that sort of thing. But what if this isn't just a throwaway episode to slyly introduce the Dominion, but a real labour of love, meticulously- and brilliantly-written. I said Rules wasn't the greatest; I didn't say that it wasn't great.
***

Quark is used to living on the fringes, and being denigrated for not being man enough, in a commercial sense by his own people, and otherwise for lack of height. Pel gives him a shot of confidence, and also models really effective -- frankly, ballsy -- negotiating technique. And Quark picks up on it! After being embarrassingly obsequious to Zek, and needing Pel to rescue him every damn time, he handles the (massive, violent) Dosi like a pro. He is a total badass.

And I don't think that it's just that he's learning from Pel, and encouraged by her confidence in him. I think he's got that new relationship energy going. He might not know what's happening to him, but his nose does. And it's not a one-off either. When her gets back to DS9, he handles Zek easily. Twice.

But getting back to Pel:

How encouraging must this all be? Maybe it was a crush at first, but now it's an intoxicating mix of hormones, respect and opportunism (she is still Ferengi). If she can seduce him before they get back to DS9, she's won. In fact, she has hit the jackpot: just the right amount more than exactly what she wanted, with the unexpected bonus being that her partner is the shit, and she *makes* him the shit.

That's about as much as anyone could or should ask from life.

And then it doesn't work out. Thankfully, this *isn't* Shakespeare, so there aren't any corpses. But how should she proceed? Back to nudity and subservience? No effing way. Become Zek's grand vizier? Like I said above, a very bad move, and Pel has already shown that she just doesn't make those. What's left? Exile. She's already gone to the back of beyond by coming to DS9, and that wasn't far enough. Now she'll have to go further.

Is she pissed? Damn right she's pissed. But she is also in a position that she will never be in again. She's got personal access to the Grand Nagus (and it may be that she has already gamed out exactly what happens; remember, she's good at this). So she makes a scene, because it is the best opportunity that she is ever likely to have to influence Ferengi politics and culture. She's not going to see the change, but she just might plant that little seed, that will one day be the change.

Now maybe if she were a different person, she would have taken a different path. Gotten married, exerted indirect influence, maybe even found herself recruited into a crypto-feminist cell. But she isn't. She is an adventurer, an intrepid.

Good on her.


Zek: Unlike the people above, the Grand Nagus is completely secure in his position. When he puts the moves on Kira, he probably rates his chances at an optimistic 1%. But what's the downside? It doesn't work, he gets in a pinch for fun, but he knows exactly how far to push his luck -- he is the Nagus for a reason.

But his last line, that's different. It's not just funny because Wallace Shawn has a silly voice. He's really shocked, and it's that moment where he is both a ludicrous old letch and the supreme leader of his people that let's us glimpse the profound wrongness and disconnect that lurks at the heart of all the best jokes.

His job isn't just to be the richest Ferengi. The Nagus must also be the paragon of Ferengi virtue. Pel strikes at the heart of his identity, both personally and as head of state. It's a moment he is going to remember, one way or the other. I think that if Quark wasn't standing right there, Pel would be smirking with satisfaction once Zek left the room.

As it is, she just has to be content with mercilessly lifting Quark's latinum, and
YES YOU BET YOUR SWEET BOOTS THAT'S A DOUBLE-ENTENDRE.

***

There is only one character who really doesn't have these issues, and that's Dax. And since she is not susceptible to the main driver of the whole damn episode, that means that she can stand outside it all, and see what's going on. To go back to the Shakespeare comparison, she is the herald, and -- solidly in that tradition -- she is given the last word: "Nice try, Quark, but I know you better than that."

So, to conclude:
If you look at the characters' weaknesses, you end up further elucidating the writers' stance on the corrosive effects of societal gender imparity. Neat, huh?

+++++

Finally, a side point to the general viewership round these parts: quit your hating on the Dosi. Inglatu and Zyee are awesome, in the true DS9 way. Why do we all like Weyoun ? It's not just that he's funny, it's that he's indestructibly, looney-tune-cartoony funny ("My, that really is toxic!").


Booyah.
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Bold Helmsman
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 2:25pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

@Trent

Don't you think it's a little quick to say Seven won't be involved in the Borg plot?
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Peter G.
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 2:04pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

" I guess they haven't installed a holosuite on the cube so maybe sliding on wet floors will have to do."

Maybe what was so exciting was how much the music played every time they slid, like it was a private discoteque or something. No wonder he likes it so much, there's a whole orchestra in those Borg walls. Must be a music saturation chamber nearby.
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skye francis-maidstone
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 1:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Absolute Candor

Agreed. I feel like the brother and sister thing is trying way too hard be Jamie and Cersei Lannister. She even talks very much like her. Their whole plot is dull.

I don't mind him and the data daughter so much though. Even the sliding scene was tolerable. I guess they haven't installed a holosuite on the cube so maybe sliding on wet floors will have to do.
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Trent
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 1:51pm (UTC -6)
Re: PIC S1: Stardust City Rag

R said: "I was pleasantly surprised by how they've handled Seven of Nine" and Drea said: "Wow. Effective arc-based storytelling at last!"

How so? Seven is an ex Borg in a show about the Borg whose appearance on the show is completely incidental to, and unrelated to, the show's plot about the Romulan and Borg.

She just randomly turns up at the precise moment Picard needs a Borg bargaining chip to use on hokey gangsters. Then she goes.

She has nothing to do with Picard's arc.

This is a terrible way to integrate Seven into this story. She's a kind of throwaway McGuffin.
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