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SouthofNorth
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 10:06pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: Genesis

You can see how bridge officers rate on the good 'ol Enterprise. One them is found at his station brutally murdered and does Picard or Data say something like "Oh no, Ens. Davies has been killed!". Nah, the poor sap doesn't even have a name. Picard's like "hey Data what killed uh ... this ... guy?"

Good luck writing that note to the grieving parents Jean Luc...
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Robbie
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 10:04pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Chrysalis

Bashir did cross an ethical line by getting romantically involved. His loneliness is no excuse. I noted a contradiction in Trek technobabble in this one. O'Brien says that precision at the synaptic level is impossible due to "quantum fluctuations", ie that he can't break the laws of physics, yet transporters are routinely capable of precision down to the atomic level (if not lower), and O'Brien himself said in TNG that transporters have "Heisenberg compensators", something he apparently forgot about.
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Robbie
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 9:49pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Take Me Out to the Holosuite

Meh. The whole thing seemed like an excuse for the DS9 actors to pretend to play baseball. It wasn't funny, and it wasn't (if you'll pardon the expression) logical.
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Robert
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 8:26pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: Parallels

This is my favorite episode. It lets me decide that all the things I'd have done differently happened in one of those other universes Worf encountered.
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Skater777
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 7:51pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: The Hunted

I know that Danar's ability to sneak around the Enterprise and hack into systems just advances the plot, but is the security on the ship really that bad?

I can't even log into my work email without a password, but the Enterprise controls can be accessed by anyone who walks up to them. The sensors can't find Danar 100 feet away, but it can detect life on a planet in orbit 200k feet above it. Plus, haven't they ever heard of security cameras?
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Dom
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 7:18pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S3: That Hope Is You, Part 2

CBS just released a first look at Star Trek: Prodigy, a new Trek show aimed at kids. It looks very much like the CBS marketing department's attempt to make Trek relevant to the kiddies.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/star-trek-universe-paramount-plus-prodigy-1234914526/
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Frake's Nightmare
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 5:10pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: 11001001

Wesley's jumper - yes, it's the 3 stripe special again.
Riker smarmy sleaze fest. Yukk!
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Crobert
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 5:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Conspiracy

Surprised at some of the dislike for this episode but to each their own.

I'm not sure what my previous favorite S1 episode was, probably the one with Lore, but this one easily overtakes it.

I had forgotten this episode so I honestly thought Picard was being duped and the first group he met were the real conspirators. Which, given how much more sophisticated TV storytelling has become, I think says a lot about the great job they did setting a tone here where at least one viewer, myself, wasn't sure which side was right some 33 years later. Riker's initial resistance to believing helped in this regard even if it felt a little kneejerk and poorly-explained.

All of my quibbles about this episode are minor. I liked the return of Remmick but, even knowing he'd never become a member of the crew, I was sad to see him get blowed up. It was a lost opportunity. A character who had previously antagonized the crew as part of his investigation would have been a great addition and allowed for some interesting episodes where we would have seen members of the crew inclined to not like or trust him grow to know and like him.

I was 13 or so when this episode aired and I had given up on watching TNG after 'Justice' - even as a kid I hated the pandering aspect of using sexuality so clumsily to tittilate viewers. If I had seen this episode at age 13 I think I would have become a diehard Trekkie.
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Crobert
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 5:00pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: We'll Always Have Paris

The resolution was fun but it could have been better. I wish that each Data had been more of a mirror of the previous one with identical movements and words just spoken with a brief delay to really have the tesseract feeling hit.

Still, S1 is starting to do better than I remembered. My first time watching it through was like a decade ago and I hated pretty much every moment of season 1. Maybe being locked in during a pandemic has made a show like this more comforting, but at this point I'm enjoying it a lot more than I would have expected, warts and all.
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Crobert
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 4:56pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Skin of Evil

It's not as bad as I remembered and the tribute to Tasha was great I just wish it happened in season 3. Not because I particularly cared for the character or loved the actress just that with an ensemble cast this large we only got a few Tasha-heavy episodes. Her biggest moments in the show was being kidnapped by a, shall we say, problematic society in terms of how it feels like a representation of actual human civilizations.

That and the uncomfortable invocation of 'rape gangs' a couple of times including in an episode with a heavy sexual component.

The goodbye ceremony was fantastic but it failed to deliver any type of emotional hit because we just hadn't had enough time to really get close to the character. Had the actress decided to move on from the show a couple of years later, however, it would have been a landmark moment in TV because I can't recall any show with major deaths like hers would have been up to that point.
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Crobert
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 4:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Symbiosis

Well said Different Bob.

Honestly, there's just something about the Prime Directive that sort of romanticizes the idea of a society pulling itself up by its bootstraps while ignoring the very real suffering that must take place.

Imagine a Federation type organization was monitoring earth during WW2 or the Bubonic plague. Untold suffering allowed to go on for centuries without intervention because of this absurd idea that a civilization cannot take a shortcut.

Better to let children suffer from parasites that eat out the back of their eyeballs than to maybe disrupt a society built around backwards beliefs and woefully inept medical capabilities.
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Maq
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 4:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Unnatural Selection

Why on earth did they need to put in the telekenesi in it? I do accept that star trek science is just invented. Still I prefer to have it concistent. Genetically enhance humans wit telekenesi is not neccessaray. The main issue was that when the scientist whare playing god it did not really turn out the way they thoungt. I get the moral and understanding of that. Plot OK but not special in any way.

Pulaski for or against. I am for , mostly. Jet Reno in DIS is very similar but Pulaski is more controlled. She is a contrast to both Picard and Data. Personally I am not to fond of abrasive people. I feel more comfortable with Crusher. Still the contrast increases the pulse or tension. She is not evil she wants to do good things.

O'Brians technobabble is wonderful. He is such a genuin character. Here on earth you may find him in a good DIY store as a sales assistant.
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Rahul
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 3:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Shadows and Symbols

@Robbie

Season 7 is DS9's best season IMHO although it starts out weakly. Stick with it!
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Bob (a different one)
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 3:06pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

"I think Voyager running the same time as DS9 had a lot to do with that as well. "


That's actually a very good point that I had never really considered before. I didn't watch VOY until sometime around 2015, I think as it wasn't aired in my area during its original run. I can definitely see the PTB thinking it would be a good way to hedge their bets by doing one show in a (semi) serialized fashion while doing the other in a traditional episodic format. Having two shows on at the same time in the same format probably wouldn't have worked as well.
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DonMel
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 2:51pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

Very true Bob, I see alot of people say Voyager had elements that were never fully explored and because of that the show didn't reach its full potential. I definitely understand that and I agree to a certain extent. The Federation/Maquis tension is a perfect example that could've lasted for years had they kept at it.

I think Voyager running the same time as DS9 had alot to do with that as well. Since DS9 became so serialized they didn't want both Trek shows that were on air at the time to have the same format. You could tune in to Voyager at any point and not have to see the previous episode to necessarily know what's going on.

The reset button that most have a problem with (which this episode Deadlock does in such a unique way that you have to give credit for), I appreciate that we don't have to see them suffer for extended periods.

There are times watching DS9 that I get sick of the Dominion and war. Defeat after defeat gets tiresome, but the storytelling is so good it keeps you coming back. I don't think Voyager would hold up the same way.

I guess I look at both shows as answers to each other in a way.
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H
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 2:32pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S4: In a Mirror, Darkly, Part I

Fun to return to the original "evil Starfleet" setup of the mirror universe, after DS9 kinda ran the concept into the ground in its later seasons. Phlox and Hoshi are especially enjoyable here, and it was cool to see an updated version of the Tholian design (having just rewatched The Tholian Web in preparation). A good time all round, looking forward to checking out part 2.
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Bob (a different one)
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 1:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Shadows and Symbols

" what's up with implying that all these characters are a figment of someone's imagination INSIDE THE SHOW??? "

It was dumb when St Elsewhere did it and it's even dumber on DS9. I also (kind of) agree about Ezri. I don't hate the character, but I hate that she was introduced at the height of the Dominion War story. Every episode that doesn't feel tied to the main storyline in some way feels like a distraction to me.

I do urge you to finish the series, however. There are a several more episodes coming up soon that you will probably dislike, but there are still some very good ones too.

p.s. Nice to know that I'm not the only one not enamored with Far Beyond the Stars.
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Robbie
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 1:37pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Shadows and Symbols

Ugghhh. For some time, I had been thinking that this was looking like the best Trek series. Some really good episodes, touching at times and hilarious at others. But I have a bad feeling about Season 7. I can't stand all the mystical mumbo jumbo, and what's up with implying that all these characters are a figment of someone's imagination INSIDE THE SHOW??? Ezri seems like a useless, immature juvenile. At this point, I barely even feel like I want to finish the series.
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Bob (a different one)
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:23am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

^ I got so caught up in my response to DonMel that I forgot to leave a comment on the episode itself!

It's a good one. One of my favorites from the first three seasons. One thing I think Voyager did well was creating new alien races; the Vidiians are one of my favorites.

"Welcome to the bridge" is also an awesome moment; one of the most memorable from the entire series.
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Frank Offenhaus
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:21am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Apocalypse Rising

I love this episode but the biggest problem which I never see pointed out is the timing of the event that moves into Act III namely when Sisko is discovered by Martok.

The entire setup of the devices is ready to go and Sisko is literally about to activate it which would've caused everyone to see the Martok changeling. But when his fake name is called by Gowron, he just stops and walks up to Gowron to be discovered. It makes no sense at all. It's not like anyone knows what this guy looks like off the top of their head. So a little confusion about where the guy Gowron called ensues just before Martok is exposed.

Why Sisko stops and decides to walk up to Gowron can only be explained by accepting that the plot needed to move forward as written in the script which is a big problem for me. instead, they should've had Sisko's fake name called while Odo was dealing with getting the final device into place. This isn't the first episode in which poorly directed / timed events made me go "uh... what?"

That's a lot of writing to cover what is basically a minor annoyance. 3 stars seems fair.
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Bob (a different one)
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 11:16am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

What's the premise of Voyager?

It's about a ship a long way from home surrounded by danger both from enemies and nature itself while being totally cut off from the help and support of the Federation. "How will they survive to make it home?" is a question at the very heart of the series.

But it rarely felt that way. Problems like damage to the ship or being low on supplies were magically solved between episodes. One minute the ship is low on energy, the next we're having a holodeck adventure - because "holodeck energy is different."


Voyager is like Robinson Crusoe...if Crusoe had a McDonald's and a Home Depot on his island.




It also completely abandoned the (brilliant) idea of having a ship manned by Federation and Maquis which would have given the show some much needed drama, conflict, and character growth.


What you are left with is a watered down TNG, with a weaker cast, and without all the worldbuilding that had been done with the Alpha, Beta, and Gamma quadrants.

The show is still ok. There are some truly great episodes that rank amongst the best of Trek, imo. But it will always feel like a missed opportunity to me because, on paper, this really could have been something special.

If they had had the guts to stick with the original concept, they would have combined the best of DS9 (characterization) and the best of TNG (exploration and high concept sci-fi).
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DonMel
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 6:00am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

Idk what's the obsession with wanting to see Voyager torn to shreds and have them limping home throughout the whole series. People even wanted Year of Hell to be a season long arc. It seem like it just wouldn't work for Voyager.

Being the only people stuck in the Delta Quadrant is depressing enough, besides we have DS9 for all the heavy stuff. Let this show give you an hour of action then let it have its reset button. Enjoy Voyager for what it is.

This still had an intense and high stakes feel to me. The later half of season 2 has some of the best episodes in the early seasons.
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dlpb
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S6: Spirit Folk

This is worth a lot more than one star - despite being a bit silly.
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Robbie
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 10:28pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Afterimage

Just watched this episode. Not really liking Ezri. Adding her to the cast seemed pointless.
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H
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 9:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S4: Divergence

Enjoyed having Section 31 involved (despite them being too easily duped), but Malcolm is the worst secret agent ever! Completely fails to cover his tracks and leaves a direct trail back to his superiors. If I were Harris, I'd be quite happy to cut ties with him by the end of this fiasco.

I didn't really care for this storyline and thought they should have just left well enough alone. They redesigned the Klingons when they had a bigger budget, and then DS9 made a joke about it. No need to waste two episodes explaining it. Oh well.
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