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John Harmon
Thu, Feb 15, 2018, 2:41pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

Oops, missed the comment where you said this counted as the season recap too
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John Harmon
Thu, Feb 15, 2018, 1:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

"It's been great reading your commentary this season in the comments. You are a thoughtful bunch, and I appreciate your contributions to the discussion."

Likewise, good sir. Will you be doing a season recap like back in the day?
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JohnTY
Thu, Feb 15, 2018, 7:07am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

Nice review Jammer. Though reading it, I'm not sure where the 2 stars come from. You've basically criticised everything about the episode.
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JohnTY
Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 1:21am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

And there it is. Easily the worst episode of the season, eclipsing What’s Past is Prologue. Everyone has pretty much already nailed the negatives. Especially Hank.

I guess the show kept me watching.. Though that’s probably more to do with me wanting to see what they would do with Trek rather than due to any merit contained in the episodes..

Let me see.. I liked Saru and Stammets most of the time. Tilly had her moments. Lorca was pretty cool too until they utterly destroyed his character (maybe not quite literally).

Those are the only positives I can think of off-hand.

The uniforms seem well made.

sigh
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John Harmon
Sun, Feb 11, 2018, 11:07pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Will You Take My Hand?

Well, the word stupid comes to mind. And simple. This ending to the season was ridiculous and like a children's book.

I wanted to believe this series would come together by season's end and the writers knew what they were ultimately doing, but I'm convinced that they're just really really bad at their jobs. It's actually kind of astounding that they got paid to write this.

I can't even fully wrap my head around everything wrong with this episode. I guess it's fitting that this war ends in about as dumb of a way as it ends. Written by people who don't understand how complex war is, or what causes it and ends it. We were promised an in depth look at this and we got shallow comic book storytelling.

And then you watch After Trek and see all the writers patting themselves on the back and it's both embarrassing and gross.

And don't even get me started on that Enterprise redesign, complete with random holes in the hull struts to make it look like a freaking bicycle frame. Do the designers not realize the hull struts are solid for the turbolifts to go through???
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Johnno
Fri, Feb 9, 2018, 5:10am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: The War Without, The War Within

I don't really care "who the characters are" on Discovery. None of them have any charisma. There's no Phlox, no Doctor, no Bashir, no Geordi, no McCoy. Bear in mind that I'm not talking about actors - personally I'm on their side. I want the writers to give them something to really sink their teeth into, material they can deliver with total conviction. At the moment they're not getting that, so I feel it's unfair to judge their performances so harshly.
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John Harmon
Thu, Feb 8, 2018, 12:36am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: The War Without, The War Within

So...how did the ISS Discovery switch places with the USS Discovery? It didn't have a spore drive. We're told that the only spore tech in the MU is in the emperor's ship.
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Lobster Johnson
Tue, Feb 6, 2018, 9:24am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: The War Without, The War Within

@Genga

"- I miss Issacs, this is something I'm unsure of should his name still be in the acting credits? If the character is really gone do they not take that out. I am unsure."

He's a series regular so he gets credited in episodes he does not appear in for the whole season per SAG rules, Isaacs and the other Discovery regulars also were credited in the first 2 episodes despite not appearing.
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Lobster Johnson
Sun, Feb 4, 2018, 5:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Wolfstar

On Shape of Water Jones had to go over 10 hrs a day without pooping, Saru is probably a vacation by comparison.
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Lobster Johnson
Sat, Feb 3, 2018, 12:18pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

So when do we get to debate over whether Galileo was wrong since we are revisting well established scientific facts.
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JohnTY
Thu, Feb 1, 2018, 1:35am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

Up there with some of your more generous reviews Jammer. Maybe all the negative comments here lowered your expectations? Not sure how you could conceivably give this more than 1.5 stars but each to their own I guess.
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Lobster Johnson
Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 2:18pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Thomas

"TNG got "good" after season 3 because we knew the characters"

TNG got good in season 3 because they ditched most of the writing staff, hired a new showrunner and banished Gene Roddenberry's insane lawyer. The first 2 seasons of TNG are among some of the worst run productions ever to grace television - without even a SLIGHT exaggeration. Seriously,

Watch the documentary Chaos on the Bridge, the fact the show survived and actually became a good show let alone GREAT is nothing short of a legitimate miracle.
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JohnTY
Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 7:12am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

Excellently put @plain simple and @djkazaz.
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JohnTY
Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 5:12am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

Woahhhh that just went to s*** in a hurry.

I actually thought this show was sort of, maybe, improving..

So we can time travel with the magic spores now. Great. Just go back to before the war and kill T'Kuvma and Lorca. Easy.

There should be a poll about what the dumbest thing was in this episode.

- Magic spore techno-babble
- Lorca character assassination (literally!)
- Impossibly silly action scenes (more knife fights in space please!)
- Grand canyon sized plot holes
- Michael's unfathomable decision making processes
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John Harmon
Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 1:50am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

"Star Wars is deeper, philosopically, and politically I think"

Surely you meant to say "Star Trek" here right? Because otherwise that sentence makes no sense.
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Lobster Johnson
Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 8:21pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Skiflicker

i've noticed a significant uptick in commenting since Chapter 2 began in a few discussion sites compared to Chapter 1
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Lobster Johnson
Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 12:35pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Shannon

Right? The guy's a joke.
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Lobster Johnson
Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 10:58am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Peter G

Baffling, Stamets calls Lorca a warmonger and is openly begrudging to everything he has to do - he has a whole speech about how his research has been co-opted for war. Saru is loyal to his duty as a 1st officer but openly admits Lorca has toxic influences when he tells Michael her manipulative attitude fits right in.

Culber openly rejects using the tarigrade when it becomes clear its health is being infirmed and Stamets helps him. Saru was driven by the fanaticism of avoiding repeating the trauma from losing Georgiou and repents at the end of the episode.

Lorca is charismatic, that's how he retains people and he takes advantage of desperate circumstances to shirk typical moral conventions.

The bad faith is baffling. Outright ignoring basic events of the series.
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Lobster Johnson
Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 10:12am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

@Dom

"I would have also thought Starfleet officers wouldn’t attempt mutiny in order to launch a preemptive attack against the Klingons, wouldn’t condone abuse of prisoners, etc. Lorca destroyed his ship and killed his crew and nobody in Starfleet command seemed suspicious. Sure, rogue Starfleet officers have committed crimes, but the show always made sure to condemn those actions. I don’t think anybody really thinks this version of Starfleet would hesistate leaving someone behind, especially someone like the Emperor."

lol this just an exercise in purposeful bad faith readings of the show, Lorca was running essentially a black ops ship and freely doing as he pleased - shockingly a guy from the MU did bad things.

Starfleet wasn't condoning his actions - I mean you'd have to PURPOSEFULLY ignore scenes with Cornwell and the Vulcan admiral to think that. What a joke. Saru gives a whole speech about how Lorca tried to twist the crew.
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Lobster Johnson
Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 7:36am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

Anyone find it ironic the comments here decrying Discovery's cynicism are far more cynical than the actual show? Certainly no Coalitions of Hope here. Doubt this place would help someone get back to their universe if they had asked. Lorca is a better reflection of humanity than he's credited for.
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Lobster Johnson
Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 12:40pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@Nic

It's very last minute, but when Georgiou nukes the planet the entire bridge crew including Lorca all shield their eyes from the blast. Michael however, is able to look straight into it without a blink.
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John Harmon
Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 2:34am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

So I have a question. Are we supposed to relate to Burnham wanting to save mirror Georgiou? Was this meant to be seen as a heroic move for her?

Why would we care about this? Because she looks like Burnham's old Captain? We, as functioning adults, know they're not the same person. Mirror Georgiou is a horrific person. Remember when she made Burnham choose which sentient being they would eat for dinner? Why the hell would Burnham care about saving her?

Are we to believe she's mentally deficient and has no short-term memory? It just feels like another incredibly stupid and incredibly selfish move on her part. This character learns nothing. Ever.
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John Harmon
Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 2:12am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: What's Past Is Prologue

A lot of what I feel about this episode has been said by others. I felt it was intensely entertaining in the moment, but afterwards when even the slightest bit of scrutiny was applied, it all fell apart.

Something that's been bugging me this whole season is...why do we just keep seeing the same characters over and over? The entire point of Star Trek is to explore new worlds. Instead this series focuses on maybe 4 characters and we get them over and over and even alternate universe versions of them.

I just don't get why they make this show feel so small. In the clips for next week's episode, it looks like we're getting characters who look exactly like some of the MU resistance from a few episodes ago. There's only ten people in this entire universe.

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JohnTY
Sun, Jan 28, 2018, 9:59pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

Great review Jammer, particularly the last couple of paragraphs.
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John
Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 10:43pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Vaulting Ambition

@Archer

That's because parallel universes are pure science fiction. Despite all the hypothesizing (mostly from laypeople) scientists will never find anything like them, just like time travel or any other magical hocus pocus.
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