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Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 4:35pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S6: Pathfinder

Got trolled last time I commented here, but this episode is powerful and I want to share my positive perspectives and personal lessons. I'm on the 4-stars side for sure and probably my personal favourite VOY ep.

Sidebar: Yes, Mr. Wilhelm doesn't really work as Adm Paris. Maybe Mr. Pitt from Seinfeld.

So today, as an Engineering Manager, I can relate to Harkin in this episode. What do you do with someone who has loads of ideas and is always running off on a tangent to the team? Well, I certainly don't have my employees stunned with phasers, but I also don't send them home for speaking out. Ideas are what the future is built on. Good on Harkin to hire on Reg and take that risk. But I just don't think they are paying per kilowatt-hour for the holodeck, so I would have cultivated the ideas while helping Reg with his social skills much earlier on. Other Engineering Managers, like Harkin, don't always get the human side.

Intentional or not, I think Star Trek writers consistently tell us that our centuries old bureaucracies will still be around centuries from now. This is one of those commentaries. Fascinating.

But when I first saw Reg Barclay episodes decades ago, I identified with Reg's social awkwardness and technical obsessions. I learned to grow away from that but sadly, even today, trolls still find more comfort in this archaic holodeck we call "the internet" than in the real world.

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Sun, Jan 12, 2014, 11:46am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@TrueMetis
You are right, I used the rules of summary execution incorrectly in the context of today's Western militaries. It is a pretty good, though extraordinary, moral dilemma that is pure science fiction.

You're also right about time - The only time sensitivity in this case was the end of the episode.

You may not be right about my knowledge of military procedures - that's not for judgment here.

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Wed, Jan 8, 2014, 5:56am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: The Chute

Very unusually, I disagree strongly with much said above. "The Chute" not only bored and depressed me, but I feel that it is far too dark and without a positive outcome to really belong in Star Trek. Maybe this was a reject from "Space: Above and Beyond"! (gasp!)

Though Wang tries, his performance is just that - trying. What we learn is sad: in the future, never go to alien planets because they will throw you in jail in their wacky legal system where you will die. You can try your best to escape, but you will fail miserably so the lesson, as a certain Homer S. once said: never try.

The prison scenes dragged on for much too long, The presence of Zio is seemingly meaningless - Harry breaks his promise to "take him with them", and frankly *I* almost threw something at Harry during his ridiculous "Let's cooperate" speech. I do appreciate how Kim/Paris get together time here a bit like TNG's "Attached", but that alone doesn't save this episode.

Outside the prison our Bad Captain made things no better. Though capturing the real terrorists, she treats them no better than the jerk Ambassador treated her. Is THAT how we humans do things? My way or I kill you? What kind of lesson is that to us viewers? Sheesh! Picard would have negotiated the Crown Jewels out of that Ambassador...

I would have also accepted the "CIA" solution to this situation: when diplomacy fails and you don't want war, secretly back the terrorists to get what you want. That's the American Way, right? ;)

Sigh. I think i'll watch "Threshold" now to cheer myself up!
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Mon, Jan 6, 2014, 4:48pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Flashback

Wow, you folks are a tough crowd to please!

I was blown away by the eye candy in this episode. I mean these people rebuilt the ENTIRE set of the Excelsior bridge for us, then brought in George Takei, and sent us on a nice little side trip from ST:VI that included Michael Ansara! Even Grace Lee had a few lines! This wasn't just our people Forrest-Gump'ed into an old episode, this was all new scenes from an old adventure!

Totally campy, and totally memorable for the 30th Anniversary.
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Thu, Dec 26, 2013, 9:59pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Basics, Part II

The death of Hogan hit me.

Not that I was bawling on my couch, but more that I was disppointed that this "small" crew of ~150ppl, which seems so intimate, gets so few recurring characters to make it feel intimate. Hogan was one of those - and yes, he looked like a nice guy to have a synthale with.

Look at the list of recurring characters on Mem A's wiki/Recurring_characters

And see how few Voyager recurring characters have more than just a handful of episodes compared to people like Yeoman Rand, Leeta, or even Spot the Cat. They didn't need to have entire episodes dedicated to them, but just seeing some of the same faces regularly would have helped add to the feeling of being "lost" with these same people.

PS. Farewell Mr. Piller!
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Tue, Dec 17, 2013, 4:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Basics, Part I

"Die Hard With a Voyager" would be funny, but I think the more hilariously appropriate parody would have been "Voyager Under Siege" with Robert Beltran as Steven Seagal. That movie has a set-up as ridiculous as this episode, but at least rewards us with some mindless vengeance.

PS. Colm Meaney was in the original Under Siege!
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Mon, Dec 9, 2013, 1:27am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: The 37's

Oh, just realized Fred the Jerk is Tackleberry! The aliens invaded Police Academy!
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Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 11:50pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

An episode stirring this much debate is a great episode.

Many things have been covered above, but I want to add something new: that Starfleet is still essentially a "military" organization, and the person holding the RANK and POSITION of Captain is still in charge and responsible. It isn't a committee like these comments may seem to be. Like Captains today, this future Captain has been given the authority to send people to their deaths to save others. In TNG, Troi's "Command" Test (putting the counselor in command after a short test is a totally different commentary) had her send Geordi to his death to save the rest of the crew. Was that "murder"? Without Starfleet Command to consult, Janeway is within her right to summarily execute to save others.

If you can't make these sorts of calls, you're not fit to wear the red tunic. I'm normally critical of how Janeway is written in much of VOY, but they nailed the Captain's role this time.

The final scene says it best - command is a lonely place. Perhaps only those of us who have been given and perhaps used such authority over others under their responsibility will understand this burden. I'm glad Voyager gave the average person this command dilemma to consider.
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Mon, Nov 25, 2013, 2:00am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: The Thaw

Someone above remembered Suder - but I don't think the Clown would have gone for someone like him vs Janeway. Courage defeats fear, and that's what the Captain should have more than anyone else.
Well done, Voyager!

Oh and I hope they got to keep those stasis chambers as a reward. Score!
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Sat, Nov 23, 2013, 10:48am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Innocence

I wasn't a Tim Russ fan on the first run of Voyager. Now, after 15 years of other life experiences, I really appreciate his talent and what he brought to Vulcans.

Perhaps Jammer should also revisit this one now that he has a kid, maybe learn that Vulcan lullaby. ;)
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Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 2:35am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

Poor Harry.
First, he dies.
Then his Captain tells him to go from the bridge on Deck 1 to the rift on Deck 15 by himself with one phaser and 347 bad guys in between. Plus he has to make a detour to Sickbay on Deck 5 (where the bad guys are also pouring out of a boarding ramp) and carry a delicate newborn the last 10 decks. Oh and he only has 5 minutes to do it all!
Finally he arrives in some other place where his own dead body is floating around in space and as the Ops guy, will spend the next week repairing a battered ship to pilot show condition.
I think the hero of this story is Harry! Let's hope he also tossed a bunch of gel packs through the rift too!
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Sun, Nov 17, 2013, 12:08am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Lifesigns

@Patrick D
Thank you! I stand corrected (by about 10 months) - well spotted. Blame the then 10yrs old me at the time!
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Tue, Nov 12, 2013, 2:19am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Lifesigns

There is precedent for sentient holograms in Moriarty. In fact Jeri Taylor's notes for Voyager called the Doctor a Moriarty-style hologram. So I think it's okay for him to be very human. It's also ironic that the short-lived Ocampa is giving relationship advice to an immortal hologram.

Great episode and also a spot-on review.

Oh and I have to point out that Red Dwarf stole the sentient hologram from TNG before Voyager did. Fortunately Trek never stole the sentient cat.
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Wed, Nov 6, 2013, 4:58pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Death Wish

In this episode I learned that you can be immortal, omnipotent, all-powerful and still NOT know what a woman wants. Phew, it's not just me - even Q!

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Mon, Oct 21, 2013, 3:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Meld

I'm sure I saw this one when it was first run but only now, seeing it again after the release of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, do I appreciate just how fortunately Voyager was to have Brad Dourif guest star. For me, "Wormtongue" steals the show away from Tim Russ and, in another "Voyager First", I might even suggest that Suder poisons Tuvok much like Wormtongue poisons Theoden. Coincidence?
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Sat, Oct 19, 2013, 1:19am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Threshold

Thanks to all above for making these comments more entertaining than this episode! You guys got Ds9 up there, Hitchhiker, TOS, TNG, Stargate, ENT, but I get to say... This episode should have been called "Ludicrous Speed"!
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Mon, Oct 14, 2013, 1:58am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Alliances

It's now 2013 and I want to be the first to say that this episode did the "shoot-up leaders with ship-phasers through a window" thing WAY before JJ Abrams. It was as ridiculous then as it is now - it's the 24th Century, with sensors and other clever gadgets, not The Godfather!
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Mon, Oct 14, 2013, 1:31am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: Learning Curve

Go Mr. Caine! You pretty much nailed it. Thanks ks!
This is our last taste of the 24th Century on TV so I'm also sucking it up (for better or worse) like you, albeit not at a season a week!
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Fri, Oct 11, 2013, 7:39pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Prototype

As an engineer, I could relate to B'elanna's drive to repair and create - it's a wonderful feeling when things are brought back to "life". But as an engineer I also watch lots of robot-apocalypse movies so I saw through this plot from minute one. Being the Chief engineer of a starship she should have known better and designed in some clever after-warranty destructor timer like Samsung engineers do today.
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Wed, Oct 2, 2013, 2:19am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Maneuvers

This episode made me angry.
Once as a respecter and perhaps worshipper of Trek Tech - were Sternbach and Okuda sent home for this script?
But most of the anger is directed at the Badly-written Bad Captain. So the cunning plan at the end was to transwarp-beam him to avoid getting pummled by 6 wussy ships - cool. But Good Captains have backup plans... In this case the backup plan was to drop out of Warp and get pummled by 6 wussy ships, then let your worst enemy to date go free - not cool.
Fortunately in this quadrant transporters work through shields! Next time beam some corbomite warheads (and some show writers) onto those ships and put us out of this misery!
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Tue, Oct 1, 2013, 1:54pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Cold Fire

Another Bad Captain decision! You mean no harm, then incapacitate and confine the subject???

Worst of all, Bad Captain then releases the best chance they've had to get home in the past 10 months without any negotiations at all!

I understand the writers were under pressure to insert this, but that final act was a real let down compared to the excellent content in the rest of the episode. Jammer's got this one spot on.
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Wed, Sep 25, 2013, 3:40pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Tattoo

To distract from the politics above, what numbnuts designed the transporters on Voyager? These things never work!


Anyways, One scene that hit home was when Chakotay couldn't speak the ancient language. How many of us North Americans are carrying names from ancestors whom we wouldn't be able to communicate with if they appeared today? Be it German, Chinese, Ukrainian, Hebrew, etc, etc... I know I'm one.
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Sat, Sep 21, 2013, 2:25am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Persistence of Vision

Maybe this Bothan does this because he's angry at everyone over his many relatives that gave their lives to bring the Rebels the plans to the Second Death Star...

Awesome telepathy battle. The women rock this episode!
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Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 1:23pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Parturition

Oh that shuttle looked salvageable, I'm sure they towed it out of the ground on their way out. I can't imagine the Prime Directive allows you to leave your garbage on alien planets!

Otherwise, an excellent character show - glad to see the end of the Kes triangle!
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Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 1:49pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Non Sequitur

I'm with Steve and V on the "realism" of Libby. Maybe we've all known (or been) that person with the trashy girlfriend/boyfriend that everyone thinks is not good for them.. this seems to be Libby. My first thought when I saw her was "Don't you have A JOB? Shouldn't you also be somewhere other than AT HOME?" Apparently not, and Harry is just the guy who's happy a girl actually likes him.

I'm going to be the first to point out it's preposterous for a Lt and Ens to be designing starships on their own...

Would have also been cool to see what decision in Harry's life caused this reality. Did Harry lose a coin toss to Byrd? But that's a bit too TNG's "TAPESTRY"...

Aside from the ending not living up to the rest of the episode, I enjoyed it very much; I liked seeing life in 24th Century San Francisco. It deserves more than 2 stars. For much of the first couple of acts I was convinced aliens had created this from Harry's mind to get him to solve the secrets of dilithium fracture, or he was in a parallel universe. Great stuff.
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