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Garymartian
Tue, Nov 21, 2017, 5:40am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

Long time lurker, and first time poster. I’m really enjoying Discovery so far. I’ve been a Star Trek fan my whole life and I’m glad to have Trek back on TV. I definitely want to see more of Airiam, and I’m sure the rest of the bridge crew will start getting fleshed out now Discovery has jumped somewhere unknown. This last episode had me at the edge of my seat most of its running time. The scene where Discovery was jumping around the Klingon ship of the dead was the highlight for me, it just looked so cool.
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Brian
Wed, Nov 15, 2017, 11:27pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

Josh wrote:
"I'm not as thrilled with the episode as everyone else, but it was enjoyable.

I think the main problem was that the resolution felt entirely unearned. We've seen very little of this war - eight episodes following one ship. During that time we never really saw the larger ramifications of the war, except for the episode defending the mining colony and another random ship being destroyed. The rest of the time it was always admirals telling Lorca how badly it was going. We never feel the gravity of the situation, the pain and anguish, the Klingons taking lives we care about or the possibility of the Federation being conquered or destroyed.

And then we have a scene with swelling music over Burnham saying "It's done. It's over." as if we had just witnessed Frodo carrying the ring to Mordor or the Rebels defeating the Empire. Those moments earned their epic triumphs. Here, I did not feel a thing."

Thank you, Josh, for saying exactly what needs to be said. You are exactly right.
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Jabalian Fudge Cake
Wed, Nov 15, 2017, 12:46pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Into the Forest I Go

The writers themselves have admitted the Klingons in Discovery are modeled on Trump supporters.
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Ian Whitcombe
Sun, Nov 12, 2017, 9:17am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

I love how a brief chaste exposition-free scene between two men is considered "ham-handed"
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Ian Whitcombe
Sat, Nov 11, 2017, 10:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

I find myself pretty depressed by some recent comments.

As a gay man, yes, it *does* matter to me that I see LGBT representation and diversity in Star Trek. I'm not going to pretend otherwise or say I'm satisfied that in the fifty-year history of the franchise how not one character reflected my own sexuality until now.

Skupper, being gay matters to me, and it matters that I see a gay couple on Star Trek Discovery.

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Ian Whitcombe
Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 8:38pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

Jammer, I believe you have the episode credits for this week's "The Orville" listed at the top of your review. This episode was written by Kirsten Beyer and directed by John S. Scott.
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Sebastian Howard
Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 8:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: BSG S4: Guess What's Coming to Dinner?

"and it outdoes Mad Men because it knows that characterization can be more emotionally involving when it's tied to plot and expressed rather then internalized."


How dare you, sir.
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Brian
Sun, Nov 5, 2017, 10:15pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

So, it appears that little blue thingies swirling around can explain, be, or do anything in this universe. Except it's the laziest possible way to characterize a new race. There are FAR too many blue sprinkles in this show. The writing, after a glimmer of hope in the last 2 episodes, is right back in the dumpster. Speeches to cameras galore, overly expositional wooden dialogue, and excruciatingly long filler scenes (near the end with the antenna). The kissing scene was cringey and not even close to believable. The plots are muddled, the pacing is off again. The dutch angles somehow are back. Overall this was a lazy episode and the writers seriously need to get their sh*t together.

1 star.
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Ian Whitcombe
Sun, Nov 5, 2017, 9:57pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

Troy, to try to shed some light into your questions as to at which point the series deviated from Fuller's plans. Here are a few things to consider:

Akiva Goldsman was hired as a producer after Fuller's departure. The writing credits for "The Vulcan Hello" indicate that he re-wrote Fuller's teleplay.

Bryan Fuller mentioned in an interview that the then unnamed second episode was written by Fuller and Nicholas Meyer. This didn't turn out to be the case.

Given all this, as with Fuller's previous contributions to Voyager, it's extremely difficult to ascertain how much credit Fuller deserves and what is being carried through.
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Brian
Sun, Nov 5, 2017, 11:43am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

We can only hope the DIS writers go back and draw some inspiration from B5. Could you imagine, bringing back the spirit of B5 and applying it to the ST universe?
The shadows were the most compelling enemy (if you could call them that) in the history of television. Londo was one of the most tragic characters I've ever witnessed. Every single person that I have had watch B5 eventually becomes so engrossed in the arc they can do nothing else except finish the show with their jaw on the floor. Getting to the end of season 4 feels like falling off a cliff and I've never felt the same way with another television show, ever.

I find it funny B5 would even pop up in a discussion here. You can't even compare it to DS9, it's totally different. Not better, not worse. Just fundamentally different and special. So any argument founded on a comparison of the two is automatically suspect.


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Brian S
Fri, Nov 3, 2017, 5:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S1: Majority Rule

Possible explanation for the cloaking device.....it cloaks the ship visually, but not to any sensors.

So maybe you can use a cloaking device to project visible light from behind the ship to the front, thus making it appear invisible to the naked eye.....but any of the other countless devices that can make device that can scan for metal, or scan for life signs, or whatever a warp core is made of would still be easily spotted by any advanced civilization.

Which is also in keeping with some of the Star Trek stories over the years. Cloaked ships tended to have very high energy signatures. Those who knew what they were looking for and how to find it (radiation surge, plasma leak, a tachyon detection grid) could spot a cloaked ship.

In this universe--unlike the superpower that the ST Federation is portrayed as--the human-centric Union is considered to be a technologically pedestrian species in comparison to the Krill and several others. So their cloaking technology might be good enough to fool the cameras and radar of a primitive, barely space-faring world, but it makes sense it would be useless against the scanners of the other adversaries who can easily detect the signature radiation from a warp core regardless of whether or not someone see it just by looking out their window.
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Brian S.
Fri, Nov 3, 2017, 4:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S1: Majority Rule

@Omicron: "I think the moral here is that when you have a mob who judges people based on the shallowest of criteria, that's a huge problem
regardless of whether the rumours they spread are true or not.

And the actual "fake news" that the Orville crew planeted in the feed just demonstrate how silly the whole thing is. Should the life of a person depend on whether he has a dog named Chuckles? Now that's one seriously fucked-up society.

(and I'm not saying that we are that much better. That's precisely why the message of this episode is so powerful)"

++++++

I like this comment of yours very much. Just for that, YOU get an Upvote!

However, I also read a rumor on Twitter that you run a human trafficking ring through your pizza parlor.

I suppose I COULD fact-check that rumor, but it's easier for me to just give you a Downvote and wait for you're apology tour.

:)
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Brian
Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 1:05am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

Jason, I salute you, sir, for one of the best posts written. Everyone, please search the page for "Jason" and read his post. Great explanation for why Trek doesn't, and shouldn't, obey cannon. As a brief counterpoint though, Jason, there are some thematic elements from the other Trek shows that worked extremely well. And so it does seem to make sense that we keep some of those around and not just abandon everything. And to be fair, some of those thematic elements are fairly central to the universe--the tone, how the humans act, etc.
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Brian
Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 12:41am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

It's great to see the characters having more chemistry, and the plot was nice. But the writing still sucks. We still get speeches to the camera (this time in the form of a "personal log"), and the level of sarcasm in nearly ALL of the characters is just unbelievable. Real humans never use that much sarcasm. It's not funny and it doesn't make the show "lighter". It just makes it seem unrealistic, or like the writers are all teenagers.

I'm also realizing that I just don't like what they are doing with the overall tone of the show--the f-bombs, and this week...wait for it....beer pong. I can look past it and appreciate the show for it's other strengths, but I just don't like how the writers imagine the world. It's like they just copy pasted present-day people into the future. And present day 20-somethings in their first year of college away from their parents, at that.

I can't tell yet if the writers are just young and inexperienced, or if it's all intentional so they can show the characters growing and maturing into real officers. Because if they do that there could be a nice payoff for sticking with the show. But if not, I'll probably stop watching.

It's kind of starting to feel like MTV's The Real World in Space. Which, if you're 16 is extremely captivating but if you're 36, it feels like chaperoning a high school dance.

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Brian S.
Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 2:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: ORV S1: Krill

"If The Orville can balance the scales and execute as well as "Krill" does, it might be a good, fun series. But it may never be a great one."

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And I think that's fine.

Six episodes in, I will repeat my comment ont the pilot episode:

"Watchable and entertaining enough....even if a little groan worthy. The best description of--and hope for--The Orville is not TNG, but rather a serialized Galaxy Quest.

Galaxy Quest wasn't great or earth-shattering, but it was good and watchable (and importantly, re-watchable)."

GQ wasn't "The Godfather" or even "Airplane!" but it was enjoyable, funny, and had some decent dramatic points.

Orville isn't going to be "The Sopranos" or "Seinfeld." I neither need it to be nor expect it to be. But it can be an enjoyable way to spend an hour, with some fairly interesting stories.

Irreverant TV shows can produce really interesting and clever stories. Some of my favorite thought-provoking TV episodes are from comedic shows like Futurama or South Park

Ironically, I think the Orville stories are fine, it's mostly the humor that is poorly written. The Orville can be a gold mine full of workplace humor. Move past the uptight behaviors of past Trek crews and have the Orville crew interact more like real people who are actual co-workers on a transport vessel. And to an extent they do this. Like the crew egging Bortus on to eat everything, which is a funny social interaction that is totally realistic. But 500-year old car rental commercial jokes? If they can clean that part up and figure out how to do better situational/character humor and drop the direct 20th/21st century pop culture references, it can be a really good series. And that's good enough, I think.
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Brian
Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 11:54am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

My thought is that they didn't want to push the spore drive technobabble for yet another episode as it was thoroughly talked about in the last two episodes. Yes, they could've given us more, but it looks like they're saving it for a different episode. We just know the stopgap solution found last episode works, for now.

I also wanted to add that I agree with some others that the admiral getting taken hostage was extremely obvious and could've been handled a little better. Captain Lorca has remarkably strong plot armor!
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Brian
Sun, Oct 22, 2017, 10:47pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Lethe

There are good ideas developing, but the scripting continues to be horribly amateurish. The amount of expository "dialogue", mostly delivered in muted whispers on 2x speed so they can fit more in, is just destroying the entire flow. Worse, it signals to me that the writers are arrogant--they believe we are stupid and need long, immersion breaking expository segments just to understand whats going on. They need to wake up and realize their audience--all first world humans with money and access to broadband streaming services, just MIGHT be smart enough to not need cringe-worthy exposition.

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Brian
Sat, Oct 21, 2017, 1:52am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: The 37's

Blue Alert!
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Brian
Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 4:53am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

Just saw this above posted by Morn, pretty hilarious and spot on:
"Maybe the whole show so far is actually set in the mirror universe where everything went wrong (including the war with the Klingons), and "mirror Stamets" will actually turn out to be good Stamets? That theory would certainly explain why everyone behaves like such a jackass on this show, including Saru..."
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Brian1
Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 8:05pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

Well I still think that the characters are generally unlikeable. I think this show doesn't feel like Star Trek to me not just because of the much lauded "darkness"; but because of the lack of charm and romantacism... Star Trek has always been a little Shakespearean, and felt elevated from every day life. Battlestar Gallactica had a lot of darkness, but it still had the Star Trek like romantacism that came in when needed to keep the show feeling like an epic tale. This show lacks that. And I am all for suspending disbelief when appropriate but I really don't like how so much of this show revolves around something so unplausible as this spore drive. It just makes me not get as invested in the show.
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Brian1
Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 8:33pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

This is the Brian who has been commenting on various threads recently. I just wanted to make sure that people did not think I was the one making the homophobic remarks made above by this new Brian. So that there is no confusion in the future I'm going to start referring to myself as "Brian1". And yeah, what others said, get over your homophobia.
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Brian
Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 5:29am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

@Brian
"But somehow if it's a gay scene I don't want in Star Trek it automatically means I'm a homophobe."

Not automatically.

In many cases like this I would actually agree with you. I intensely dislike gratitious sex/snogging/whatever scenes regardless of whether they're gay or hetero.

But out of curiousity (I don't pay for CAA and see Discovery) I decided to look for a clip of the said "controversial" scene, and I'm not sure what's so bothering you there. It was just two people standing in a room speaking with one another, with perhaps two seconds of actual physical contact.

So what's the problem?

And comparing what you've said here to an objection over token minorities in TOS doesn't work. Let's take your original complaint:

"Gay scene--sorry, this is not a judgement, just a preference--I don't think gay belongs in Star Trek. It's just annoying. I know there are people out there who live that way and that's fine. But to force it into my living room because I'm a Star Trek fan is beyond annoying."

Now replace all the gay references with black/asian/whatever. Would you call such a person anything but a racist?

I'll be honest with you: That scene was awkward to me too, in a way that I certainly wouldn't feel if that was a hetero couple. But that's my problem. And if there's any TV show that has a right to force me to confront this problem, it's Star Trek. That's pretty much the definition of what Trek is all about.

And they've done it 100% correctly here. No big speeches. No big deal. Just two mates talking while brushing their teeth. (it's just a shame that it had to happen in *this* series. I watched a few bits of this episode here and there while searching for the scene we're talking about, and none of it seemed even remotely compelling to me)

@MidshipmanNorris
"As it went on, and became more intimate, with Culber brushing Stamet's hair, I found myself growing uncomfortable with it, and I can't explain why. 'Why shouldn't there be a gay couple on Trek?' I asked myself. "Why does this make you uncomfortable?" I don't really know why. I'm guessing it just flopped me out of my comfort zone a little too hard for my taste. I guess I still have a long way to go toward being an accepting human being. :("

Ha. Tell me about it.

But really, I think you're being too hard on yourself.

I don't think that feeling comfortable with everyone and everything is a requirement for being "an accepting human being". We're not machines and feeling awkward is a natural part of life.

As long as you aren't using this awkwardness as an excuse for actual prejudice, you're fine. :-)


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Brian
Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:09am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: Learning Curve

Get the cheese to sick bay!
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Brian
Mon, Oct 16, 2017, 11:43pm (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

So, I am actually sorry for causing a scene on here with my gay comments. Thank you, Wolfstar for attempting to understand what I was trying to say. I suppose I could have said it better though. What I'd like to get across is that I didn't like the gay scene for the same reason I didn't like the f-bombs. As wolfstar noted, it felt forced and made it feel less like Trek.

Try this--it's my same paragraph except about f-bombs instead of homosexuality:

"F-Bombs--sorry, this is not a judgement, just a preference--I don't think swearing belongs in Star Trek. It's just annoying. I know there are people out there who swear and that's fine. But to force it into my living room because I'm a Star Trek fan is beyond annoying. Having people drop an f-bomb out of nowhere is a writing cop-out. If they were truly trying to make the characters seem like "real people" they'd write them that way, not rely on swearing to make the point. And it wasn't even realistic swearing--officers in military vessels swear, oh yes they do, but that scene was awkward and the f-bombs seemed incredibly contrived. Kind of like, copy-pasted."

If I had written THAT paragraph, I bet not a single person would have jumped on me for being a judgemental asshole. But somehow if it's a gay scene I don't want in Star Trek it automatically means I'm a homophobe. What a bunch of BS. I am the last person in the world who would judge anyone for anything.

Oh, and Uhura WAS copy-pasted into TOS. She was literally the token black woman in a mini-skirt. Not a single thing about her was linked to her country of origin, culture, history, at all. Ah, but if anyone objects to copy-pasting stuff in from a committee, they must be a homophobe or a racist. The self-righteousness is strong with this board.


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Brian
Mon, Oct 16, 2017, 2:27am (UTC -6)
Re: DSC S1: Choose Your Pain

Honestly as a gay man, I would think you'd be offended by their portrayal. Consider the fact that the risky, challenging part of portraying a real relationship, the evolution of it within the context of a particular set of characters and society, was completely side-stepped. We have a gay couple just copy-pasted into the show, as if some executive said "just put a gay couple in there." It is the absolute laziest, cheapest way to do it possible. I'd be offended, so I'm very interested to hear why you aren't!
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