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Outsider65
Fri, May 19, 2017, 12:09am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Force of Nature

Why do I get the feeling the "warp speed damages space" thing will be ignored in subsequent episodes and series of Star Trek?

I didn't mind the Spot subplot, but it did abruptly end after Data realized that Spot was the one training him. Kudos to the animal trainers for the show, that look Spot gave him after he suggested she might not be smart enough to be trained clearly showed otherwise. (Also, apparently Data only now realized Spot was female? Seems like an odd mistake for him to have made this whole time, especially since she's not spayed and would periodically go into heat (you will never not notice the calling out of a queen on the prowl), or need to be given some sort of supplement to prevent her from doing so.)

The sister character was completely unlikeable, I was actually glad she died, to be honest, so we didn't have to see her onscreen anymore. And then everyone was all "why didn't we listen" but as Luke pointed out - they DID listen, her actions actually worsened things for her world, when even if the Federation had taken a few years to come to the same conclusion, her world would still be better off.

I appreciate some of the meta comments on "Trekkies". I do notice they tend to think they are somehow more intellectually or morally superior than the general population because of their enjoyment of a science fiction television series, and it seems like a very odd thing to believe. Just because I watch the same shows as Stephen Hawkings doesn't mean I'm suddenly a genius ;) As far as fandoms go, though, there are worse out there.
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Outsider65
Thu, May 18, 2017, 11:16pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Attached

I don't know if it's just because it's been so long since we've gotten an episode where they go planet-side instead of having drama onboard the Enterprise, but for me this was a step up from the last two episodes. And that's in spite of it being a Beverly and Picard episode.

I felt bad for the Kes. They were doing their best to save Picard and Bev and Riker was completely ungrateful. Sure their planet may not be perfect but if the other side insists on no contact whatsoever what do you want them to do, force it anyway? I can't see that going too well.
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Outsider65
Wed, May 17, 2017, 10:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Dark Page

I normally like Deanna Troi, but she was awful in this. Everybody was telling her how to do her job. Isn't she the ship's resident psychologist? And this episode just shows how wasted her empathic powers and refusal to grow them are. Another "meh" episode to me. I never had a lot of fondness for this series, but it's really winding down for me.

On a final note, Majel is a great actress, I actually felt bad for her. But it's hard to get emotionally invested in a comic relief character.
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Outsider65
Tue, May 16, 2017, 12:59am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Gambit

I've heard USENET mentioned before, but I can't recall where or when.

I prefer Picard as a space pirate. Much cooler and less stuffy.
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Outsider65
Tue, May 16, 2017, 12:41am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Phantasms

Alexander exists again. I thought Worf had quietly killed him off since we hadn't seen or even heard of him in, what, like two seasons? (Maybe not quite that long, but it feels like it.) What was the point of establishing that character only to do nothing with him and then forget he exists and have Worf go off doing whatever for weeks as though he doesn't have a small child dependent on him back on the Enterprise? Somebody call Interplanetary Child Services.

Geordi being disinterested when a real woman is attracted to him is hilariously ridiculous. And entirely hypocritical for him to find her annoying, seeing how downright creepy he gets towards women he's pursuing. But he's a flawed character, and it fits with what we've seen of his social awkwardness and occasions of being unable to look at things objectively. It's still really hard to believe, given how desperate he normally is. Maybe his mom's death shook him more than we thought. Or maybe this is just a badly written episode where almost everyone is out of character.

Data seems to exhibit mental illness... But it's just because his subconscious is making him react that way.... .. .? Uh-uh. Data can't notice something without noticing it. He's a machine, he has a perfect memory and is constantly multitasking. Either he knows about it, or he doesn't. Even if there was a hidden part of him that could know something or notice something without him knowing, he notices everything so it would never know something he didn't just based off of observed data. It just doesn't fit with what we've been told about how he works, and it's too late in the series to be trying to reinterpret things the way this episode did.

Why is Starfleet fine with Data stabbing Troi because he "felt compelled to"? If I kill someone because I'm sleep-driving I still get in trouble for it. If I kill someone and claim it's because the voices told me to I still get institutionalized. Temporary insanity or not, there should have been some sort of followup on it.

There's no way Riker and Worf could take down Data on their own the way they did, given how strong Data's been shown to be. He would have eviscerated them both in under two seconds, or at least thrown them halfway down the hall. The only way that scene makes sense is if it was part of a dream sequence. Having one of them come from the front (and take a few broken ribs for their trouble) while the other hit his off switch would have been more believable.

Troi is surprisingly vengeful at the end with that Data cake. She knows he didn't intentionally stab her or dream about harming/eating her, and since they recently entered into a patient-therapist relationship it's grossly inappropriate for her to bring a cake mocking his bouts of psychosis. Actually, that seems out of character for Troi, I know a lot of people don't like her, but she's never been shown to be that petty, especially with Data.

This is another of those episodes that is mostly random creepy stuff happening that doesn't fit Trek. I can't believe I'm saying this about a Data-centric episode, but not even he could turn this into more than a "meh" from me. It felt like I was stuck in a weird dream myself.
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Outsider65
Fri, May 5, 2017, 12:35am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Interface

Geordi's a main character, right? So how come, 7 seasons in, this is the first we've seen his family? We've seen every other main character's family, even the robot's.

I hated how after it became clear Geordi was really seeing something Picard was still against saving 300 humans, but when it turned out they were actually saving an unspecified number of space-beings that had already killed seven humans and were manipulating and hurting Geordi, he seemed more okay with it. Is Picard meant to come off as psychotic in some of these episodes? Because he does.

Data's already a robot, why couldn't he interface with the probe? Or why couldn't the probe be operated by remote control, without the need to tie it into someone? Yet another conveniently arbitrary plot point meant to induce drama.

I don't know why Picard's so against checking the possibility of the Hera being there when he's normally so in favor of checking out every little "probably nothing" thing and there are potentially lives at stake.

Geordi's belief that his mother is still out there isn't as crazy as everyone makes it out to be. The Enterprise has gotten out of worse and more mysterious circumstances. Geordi just fails to take into account that he's stationed on the Enterprise, aka the ship where all the main characters are, meaning nothing bad will ever have a lasting effect on it. Other ships aren't so lucky. They're pretty much the redshirts of TNG.

I found Riker's "just cry all night about it and you'll feel better" advice hilarious. Gross oversimplification at its finest. And Data's "do you require comforting?" and invitation to stare at a blank screen together. I find it interesting that in all their interactions so far Geordi never gets truly upset with Data and is always quick to apologize, but has no such qualms when it comes to his human friends. I'm not sure if it's because of Geordi seeing Data differently than other people, Geordi just never having a real problem with Data because Data's just a really nice guy (who occasionally commits horribly atrocities against his will), or the writers just not wanting to write any real conflict between the two. It's, well, kind of strange how Geordi doesn't seem resentful or angry that Data initially opposes him, but then again you can't really get mad at a machine for doing its job. Well, you can but that's kind of pointless. I guess what I'm saying is maybe a bit of actual conflict would have been interesting, if only because it would have given us a little more about Geordi and we all know he could use any additional characterization they can give us.
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Outsider65
Thu, May 4, 2017, 11:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Liaisons

The Picard segment was actually very creepy. The guy picking on Worf just came off as a racist who hates Klingons. At the end when all was revealed, the aliens still seemed like they took it too far. At least Troi got paired with a nice alien for once and wasn't raped. Too bad Picard almost was.

I actually didn't mind this episode too much, it was mildly entertaining. I don't mind occasional fluff as long as it's with characters I like, and there were some funny moments.

I have to express my discomfort with the Picard segment a little more, however. "Anna" was pretty horrifying. She fitted Picard with a device to keep him in pain/unable to escape, locked him inside, and sabotaged their means of escape. Then she tried to rape him, and threatened suicide when she failed. I know people tend to dismiss cases of abuse of men by women, but how is this behavior given a pass? I just can't get over this disturbing sequence of events to enjoy the corniness of it. The "twist" at the end where it turned out "Anna" was the ambassador all along was initially a relief but in retrospect deeply troubling. On the one hand the thoroughly deranged "Anna" wasn't a real person, but on the other hand the ambassador didn't seem to think his actions were wrong at all. I'd leave these guys off the list of potential future federation members if I were you, Picard.

Is it just me or is Picard less horrified by all the stuff "Anna" did to him and the fact that the ambassador did/staged it all than he is by the fact that the ambassador's ostensibly a dude? What a time to be alive.
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Outsider65
Fri, Apr 28, 2017, 11:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Still casting and recasting? Really? I'm not even somebody who's looking forward to this series and even I think this is beyond ridiculous. STD had better be perfect by the time it gets out after all this time in production. (It'll probably be the opposite though...)
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Outsider65
Fri, Apr 28, 2017, 11:08pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Descent, Part II

I was disappointed that at no point during this two-parter did the robotic duo engage in some maniacal laughter. You can't set out to destroy the whole federation without some good old fashioned cackling. No wonder the plan didn't succeed.

That reset button is sure getting more and more use as TNG drags on. No consequences, back to same old same old next week guys. Geordi isn't the least bit traumatized by his best friend almost killing him in a horrific fashion. Why is it Data gets to work through his problems but most human characters don't? Even if Geordi understood that Data wasn't in control of his actions and regretted them as much as he was capable, he'd still need time to recover and come to terms with the fact his friend was so easily made to cheerfully torture him, that maybe his friend really was just a very convincing machine after all. Geordi will be having nightmares for months but instead it's HIM who's comforting Data, rather than Data apologizing to him. I feel the last scene would have been more meaningful if it had let Geordi be shaken by events too, shown their relationship won't ever be exactly the same even if both try to act like it will.
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Outsider65
Fri, Apr 28, 2017, 10:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Descent, Part I

Seems like giving robots emotions is always a bad idea in Sci-fi. It almost always seems to end in a massacre, love triangle, or very embarrassingly stupid dialogue.

Why did the entire ship have to go planet-side to look for one MIA robot? Including the captain? In what alternate universe is Crusher ever qualified to captain the ship? Even if she was, given how dangerous Data can get shouldn't she be prepping sick bay for casualties? What about the Borg threat? Is one robot really more important than that?

As others stated above, first 2/3rds of the episode was good, but the final third just derailed. Data's admitting to feeling pleasure at killing an enemy was shocking and I wanted to see Data actually descend into evil, not suddenly flip the evil switch and become Lore's puppet.

I'll agree with what others have said about Bev being too "nagging", because she genuinely is. I know there's a lot of misogyny on some of these boards and that women have been stereotyped as nagging but blame the writers, not the commenters pointing it out. Bev's a terrible female character and just a poor character in general. To be honest even of she were male I'd still hate her character traits. But then again if she were male she'd probably be written better and would either not have those traits or have actual good traits to balance them out and make her actually likeable, or at least tolerable.
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Outsider65
Fri, Apr 28, 2017, 9:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Timescape

This one didn't do anything for me, and the aliens didn't even get blown up at the end after all the trouble they caused. Don't lay your eggs in someone else's engines, it's quite rude.
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Outsider65
Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 12:11am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Chase

@Peter G.

They may not be the same ancient race, but the idea was still already established. The main problem I have with the episode is how badly they botch it. I'd be okay with them trying to re-reveal it as a new idea if they had done it well. They redid the "robot dies from emotions" idea and various other ones and I didn't mind.

Haven't watched DS9 yet, still working my way through TNG.
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Outsider65
Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 11:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Rightful Heir

@Peter G.

That makes more sense. But the way Kahless was portrayed here was intentionally Christ-like, rather than just as an honored warrior like back in TOS. The visions were portrayed as them actually thinking he had appeared to them, and they expected supernatural phenomena of him, as well as a second coming.

Previously we saw a stature of two naked brothers wrestling on Worf's table, so I always thought Kahless was more of a "Romulus and Remus" kind of guy, so the savior portrayal was really odd to me.

I think at this point in time they hadn't really solidified Klingon belief yet, hence the back and forth portrayal of Kahless.
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Outsider65
Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 11:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Second Chances

@Chrome
Good point. I hadn't considered the implications that would have on syndication.

I still wish they hadn't let the character stagnate so much. He hardly does anything anymore, it's like he's become a side characte.
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Outsider65
Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 11:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Suspicions

Yet another episode where a crew member gets away with illegal activity without even a slap on the wrist, only this time it's the ever-inept and frequently unethical "Dr" Crusher. Yeah, I don't like episodes where the main characters get away with murder, and I don't like Crusher, so you can guess I didn't enjoy this episode.

Crusher should have been fired, lost her medical license, and had legal action taken against her for violating the family's rights and doing the autopsy against their wishes. This could have also caused relations with the whole species to get worse! Her being "right" about the "mystery" had zero to do with her HIPPA/whatever agency she's affiliated with violations, and would not have gotten her off the hook. Illegally obtained evidence is not considered in court, two wrongs don't make a right.

Why aren't they using a remote controlled shuttle? Why do they need a live subject when the shielding reportedly hasnt even been proven to work yet?

Why is Crusher the one "investigating" a potential murder? Even if she were competent she wouldn't be qualified to do so. Where's Troi, Worf, and Riker to do a proper investigation?

Funny that a Ferengi, you know, the guys that treat their women like animals and don't let them wear clothes, seems to get along fine with Crusher and the other females.

The only interesting part of this episode was seeing another Vulcan/human couple. And a Ferengi who doesn't seem even a little evil. Good to see Guinan again, though, even if she's wasted listening to Beverly's sniveling about how's she's going to get in trouble for violating ethics again. Imagine how much better the episode would've been with Guinan doing some lowkey investigating and solving the case with Beverly having minimal involvement. I wasn't a fan of Guinan when she first showed up in season two but I've really grown fond of her over the course of the series. I agree with what other have said, what a disappointing sendoff for the character.

Even the actors seemed like they hated this one, I don't think I've seen the cast so completely disinterested across the board before. Given how stupid the episode is, I can't blame them.

And I entirely disagree, Aquiel was much better than this one, it only had a few stupid moments in comparison to this.
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Outsider65
Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 10:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Rightful Heir

Where was Alexander this episode? Or during the Birthright two-parter? Worf just leaves for weeks at a time without even a mention of his son. They should have just had Alexander go back to Worf's parents or something, Worf's a terrible father.

Are Klingons really willing to follow any old guy who claims to be their god with zero proof? Seriously, Harry Mudd would have a field-day with these people. Cloning Kahless seems like a huge disrespect to him, and if I were a Klingon that would really shake my faith, knowing they were giving me a fake god, and my real god was apparently just letting it happen, leading me to doubt his existence.
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Outsider65
Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 9:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Second Chances

"I wish Will Riker would have seen his other self and realized that he had forfeited his dream of becoming a captain for the security of being a first officer, then asked Picard to speak with Starfleet about a promotion. Will Riker gets written off of the show (with the possibility of coming back in guest spots), while Tom Riker serves as a new lieutenant on the Enterprise. It would have provided a much needed shake-up to the show."

Agreed. I like Riker, but they never do anything with him in the later seasons. This was their chance to finally give the character the promotion he deserved and shake things up while still keeping a Riker on board. What a wasted opportunity. At the very least this should have been a wake up call that put Riker back in the spotlight and Picard back on the bridge where he belonged.
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Outsider65
Sat, Apr 22, 2017, 5:06am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Into Darkness

I laugh every time nuSpock screams "KHAAAAAAAN". The guy hasn't even known Kirk long enough to get upset about his death, let alone been friends with him long enough to form that kind of bond. It's just his anger issues coming out as always. Why is nuSpock so prone to fits of rage? Watching this short, borderline-chubby guy chase after lithe, lanky (yes, I know those are opposites) Khan was laughable. Even if he had caught up with his short legs, he'd never win. Where are the buckets of green blood? If I remember correctly nuSpock even gets impaled in the next movie and they still don't show hardly any blood. We're the filmmakers embarrassed to show green blood for some reason?

Cumberbatch should have been a Gorn or other alien race. He'd have made a really great Gorn. The man already looks reptilian. He'd have also made a good Vulcan. But he wasn't a great Khan, mostly because the character he was given to play was nothing like the real Khan. It was a really strange casting choice IMO, probably based off of Cumberbatch's popularity rather than suitability for the character.

I hate to be that person, but... Would it kill them to have casted a guy who at least resembled the guy who played the original Khan?

Actually, I wish they hadn't ripped off Wrath of Khan but instead had made their own movie. It just invites comparisons between the two and theirs is so vastly inferior.
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Outsider65
Sat, Apr 22, 2017, 3:59am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

**Valeris, not Saavik
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Outsider65
Sat, Apr 22, 2017, 3:47am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

@JohnC

I don't speak for everyone, but if you're referring to my comment, I call all "forced psychic entry into someone's mind" scenes that come up in Trek mindrape, because that's what it's called. It's portrayed as a deep violation of a person to do that to them without consent, force your way into their mind, and in the common vernacular it is referred to as "mindrape".

It has nothing to do with Saavik being female. There's a TNG episode where a guy mindrapes two female characters and one male character and it is explicitly called rape by the characters in that episode. A scene from the original series where Spock mindmelds with an unaware sleeping Kirk is often referred to as mindrape as well.

It's called mindrape because it's considered a horrible violation of a person, not because it's implied that it's saying something bad about Spock. The term is meant to make you uncomfortable, to emphasis what the writers are trying to get across: that it's a horrible violation and thus a truly last-resort when Spock does it. I don't use the term because I am accusing Spock of being a bad person, I use the term because in Sci-fi, that is the term used to describe the event that took place. It's not a 100% accurate term but it's the term used.
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Outsider65
Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 11:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Cause and Effect

@RT

Thanks for the info, I never knew it was a command from on high.

Whatever the reasoning, it did make for a hilarious character quirk. He did things like straddling over the back of a chair to sit on it instead of going around to sit on it, there's a post out there somewhere mentioning how it's a good thing Riker never wore the man-skirt background characters wore in the early seasons when he tried that. I've also noticed he really leaned over to the side when in meetings, his hand touching or almost touching the hand of the person beside him, like he wanted to hold their hand (usually Data or Troi). He just moves and positions himself oddly in general, I'm curious as to why they told him to do that. Then again I've noticed that in a lot of scenes characters will be pressed right up against each other even when there's plenty of room for them to spread out, like when there are two people on the lift. Either the concept of personal space has changed radically on the 24th century, or they're all trying to fit into the shot. ;) (My sister jokingly says it's because being in space makes them feel so small and lonely they need the physical contact to feel safe.)

I never noticed the patch, that's an interesting tidbit. Now if we could only get confirmation on Kirk's girdle. :)
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Outsider65
Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 10:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Chase

Just noticed I spelled my name wrong. Not sure how I managed that but I'm blaming the lack of tactile response on this keyboard.
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Outsider54
Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 10:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Chase

@Chrome

I rate it so low because I really didn't care for the delivery of the episode. It's not that they reused the idea that bugs me so much as they acted like they hadn't already established it, and then tried to build it up as some new, profound world-changing revelation, then immediately dismissed it like they knew they had botched the delivery so bad that even viewers who didn't know about it previously weren't going to be affected by it. The squabbling aliens finished killing this one for me, wish Worf had "accidentally" blown them up too, or at least the Cardassians.

I didn't care for P&L either, but it at least had a few amusing moments, this one was more flat. I haven't watched DS9 but I'm sure the episode's fine, that's the tribble one, isn't it?

The Kurlan is that nesting doll thing Picard's prof gave him, right? Glad to hear it makes a reappearance, I'm half-convinced Stewart took it home with him after the episode was shot and still has it laying around somewhere.
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Outsider65
Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 9:44pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Lessons

A believable romance for Picard, and while a bit cheesy, especially seeing him being all smitten like a little kid, it was fun seeing them crawling into the Jeffries tubes. Gotta wonder how many shifts Data is working though, he apparently covers the night shift as well as manning the helm during the day and sometimes working down in engineering with Geordi. When does he find the time to feed his cat and pursue his various hobbies?
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Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 9:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Frame of Mind

ThiS is like, what, the third or fourth episode where Riker is subject to false reality or torture/kidnapping?? I wish they'd give him more action-y roles like he had in previous seasons, or even any roles at all, he's basically a side character now. I don't find the action roles doled out to Picard in the later seasons believable at all, the guy's just too old for it, wish they had stuck to Picard being control room and Riker being ground support. Stewart's a good actor but I'd rather watch Riker than Picard.

Also wondering, did O'Brien transfer to DS9 back in that one two-parter where Data learns to dream but TNG never mentioned it because they assumed you watched DS9 and having it mentioned twice would be redundant? And is there an explanation for why Guinan is gone or does she just disappear just as suddenly as she appeared?
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