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Robert
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:38pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Repentance

This is an amazing point. When the Founding Fathers were making this country it was ok to own slaves.

When my Grandpa was born it was ok that women couldn't vote.

When my father was born it was ok to not want black kids in your school.

When I was born it was ok to think gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry.

What is ok today that isn't?

For the record I'm conflicted about crime/punishment because nobody will discuss why we do it. If it's to deter crime it doesn't work. If it's to keep us safe at all costs than lock em up and toss the key is ok. If it's about revenge... well I hope it isn't. At least not legally. If it's about rehabilitation than life sentences make no sense.
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Robert
Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 9:55am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: The Trouble With Tribbles

@Dom - Everyone is entitled to their cup of tea of course, and I like Trek for the same reasons you do. But if I just wanted sci-fi I'd go watch the Outer Limits or a show like that.

What's special about Trek is the hope and change, yes... but it's also our characters. And sometimes it's fun to just have fun with your characters. It makes them more... human.

What are you, some kind of Harvey? :P
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Robert
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 11:09am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Profit and Lace

@Caedus - "As much as I hate *****"

May I ask what you could possibly hate about people you've never met? This feels like an awful lot of hate for a short post.

I mean, I feel angry after watching this episode too... but this feels a bit extreme!

And lots of good things happened in Threshold, at least until lizard sex....
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Robert
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 9:01am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Mortal Coil

@Caedus - It's interesting you saw it that way. I'd personally assume that any God powerful enough to run an afterlife would be able to tell if you were about to be brought back by Borg nanoprobes or not. And if you were, do you need to go the afterlife yet?

I personally never felt it weighed in on religion either way, but only what might happen to a person for whom religion is a primary source of comfort and what happens if that person loses their faith.

In that way it's actually a positive message for religion in some ways. For all the bad religion does (and I don't want to get into a political discussion at the moment, but there are plenty of sins that can be attributed to organized religion) it's a pretty powerful message that a man can watch his entire family be murdered and find the strength to go on purely on the faith that they'll be together in the afterlife. Religion does bring people that level of strength and peace.
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Robert
Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 3:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Things Past

Bareil, Opaka and Leeta work for you?
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Robert
Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 1:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Latent Image

@Jai - I don't usually feed trolls, but I'll assume you aren't one and give you the benefit of the doubt once.

You're on the internet complaining about other people's complaining on a new username that has never posted before. Complaining about complaining is odd to say the least. It makes me question why you're here if this site is making you so angry. But beyond that "Voyager is way more Interesting than DS9 or TNG could have ever hoped to be. I know just about everyone here probably sucks TNG's ass but whatever Voyager is extremely underrated compared to those other 2 shows." is a really, really odd statement.

If you're interested in explaining why you think Voyager is underrated, I'm happy to hear it. I've gone on record multiple times to say that it was the weakest of the three, and I totally stand by that... despite it having some of the strongest episodes in some cases. This actually is one of them (IMHO). In fact despite being down on Voyager in other places on this site I defended this episode above around 3 years ago. That's because I have a nuanced opinion about Trek.

I think Voyager is underrated in places because despite having a number of standout gems and an outstanding cast I judge it more harshly for some of the things I gave TNG a pass on because the crew pumping out 18 years of straight Trek onto TV should have learned some lessons that I gave them some slack for in the TNG years after a decade. Some of it is because TVs landscape was evolving and DS9 evolved with it while VOY didn't. Some of it was because the ensemble was poorly used even though I really loved them. My favorite thing about DS9 is how it uses it's ensemble.

So for me (and I think I speak for many), VOY is a lot of missed opportunity and near hits. And so it colors some talk of VOY and, in many cases, people don't talk about some of the extreme triumphs in VOY (like Eye of the Needle, Jetrel, Prototype, Alliances, Meld, Deadlock, Lifesigns, Remember, Before and After, Distant Origin, Scorpion, Mortal Coil, Message in a Bottle, Muse, Drone, Thirty Days, Counterpoint, Latent Image, Someone to Watch Over Me, Dragon's Teeth, Pathfinder, Blink of an Eye, Child's Play, Critical Care, Shattered, Lineage, The Void, Workforce, Author Author and Homestead).

But that's 30 episodes I'd stick up against the best stuff TNG has to offer and think that they'd hold up. For me VOY (as a series) is less than the sum of it's parts whereas the other two are a bit more. For what it's worth... all 4 of the episodes you defended today are fairly well received and Jammer rated them fairly high (except for Course : Oblivion, which I also enjoyed).

So I wonder... where is the anger coming from dude? Because a few comments are down on them? Because people are nitpicking Trek? (welcome to fandom btw)

If I'm being totally honest, nobody said anything nearly as negative as "Voyager is way more Interesting than DS9 or TNG could have ever hoped to be" or "everyone here probably sucks TNG's ass". In one breath you're screaming "WAAAAH WAAAH WAAAH" and in the next telling Paul Allen he "really needs to cool his jets". I think you need to look in the mirror. The last 2 comments before that Paul Allen made about VOY were positive too. Deep breaths before posting dude! :P
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Robert
Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 1:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Imaginary Friend

It's funny because the actress actually played one of the most convincing, well written children in all of Star Trek... on DS9.

In Shadowplay (which also writes Jake really well as an actual kid) she plays Taya, who is as normal a child as I've ever seen on Trek. It was a nice change of pace.
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Robert
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 10:51am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Emissary

From an in-universe perspective I personally have always imagined whispers amongst Starfleet that don't think the man who was Locutus should be the head of the flagship. It's implied heavily across the series that Wolf 359 went much worse because of Picard's knowledge.

PICARD: You don't know, Robert. You don't know. They took everything I was. They used me to kill and to destroy, and I couldn't stop them. I should have been able to stop them! I tried. I tried so hard, but I wasn't strong enough. I wasn't good enough. I should have been able to stop them. I should! I should!



It's been established in "The Drumhead" (and actually Star Trek : First Contact) that some in Starfleet still don't totally trust where Picard ends and Locutus begins.

SATIE: Tell me, Captain, have you completely recovered from your experience with the Borg?

PICARD: Yes, I have completely recovered.

SATIE: It must have been awful for you, actually becoming one of them, being forced to use your vast knowledge of Starfleet operations to aid the Borg. Just how many of our ships were lost? Thirty nine? And a loss of life, I believe, measured at nearly eleven thousand. One wonders how you can sleep at night, having caused so much destruction. I question your actions, Captain. I question your choices. I question your loyalty.



And Sisko doesn't even tear into him or anything. But it's somewhat understandable. Locutus killed so many. Some people left behind must be pissed that this ex-Borg is the Captain of the flagship.
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Robert
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 10:26am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: Civil Defense

I think it depends on what DLPB means by "we". "We" humans here on Earth now will never meet aliens more likely than not. But if we survive long enough to leave this planet the idea that our species will NEVER meet aliens is kind of crazy to me. We can't possibly be that unique given the size of the universe.
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Robert
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 10:05am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S6: Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night

I think it would have been interesting if Dukat/Odo had their story lines switched a bit during the occupation in early S6. I would have preferred Odo not betray them at all, but I think it would have been fascinating if Dukat was the one that bailed Kira out in the fight at the end after the Founder said she would execute Kira. Having realized his feelings for her he decided he needed to save her, regardless of personal cost. I still don't think Kira ever should have gone there but it would have been more interesting if "Space Hitler" as he started off, turned out to still be an evil bastard... but one that actually fell in love with one of our heroes. I like DS9 best when it's being gray. I never really liked the affair with the mother plot, so this would have kept the focus on Dukat/Kira without making it a traditional romance.
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robert april
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 10:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S2: I, Mudd

terrible tedius and boring from start to finish what a waste of celluloid
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Robert
Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 8:38am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

I'm calling that he's evil and she either has to mutiny or he gets promoted to evil admiral before the end of S1.
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Robert
Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 5:45am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Tuvix

@doctorbenjiphd - Well said. I have a hard time dumping on this episode sometimes, even the ending, because Mulgrew's performance sold it. But somehow they let Janeway perform a medical procedure that their computer Doctor felt was against the Starfleet ethics books so that she could have her best friend back. I don't buy it either.
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Robert
Tue, Mar 7, 2017, 10:29am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

As a Sisko lover I will say that Avery may or may not be a good actor. I really don't know. I will say that Picard/Sisko were both "wrong" out of the gate and that in the end when they let Stewart and Brooks pour some of themselves into these characters I really liked the results. Brooks may be a terrible actor (I've never seen him in anything else) and he's just one of those people that is really good at playing himself. But I will say that sometime around S3 he became very compelling to watch as Sisko and I've always been a really, really huge fan. Acting or not be damned, he was entertaining.
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Robert
Mon, Mar 6, 2017, 9:28am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Ensign Ro

Odo is supposed to be off-putting. And while I would have loved to see Ro again, I actually sort of think her absence on DS9 made it better. No shock here for people who know I love Kira, but the Bajoran militia would likely have not existed if Ro had made it on DS9.
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Robert
Thu, Mar 2, 2017, 11:41am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: A Matter of Honor

Rhonda Rousey is a135 pounds and I would TOTALLY bet on her vs you in a fist fight.

That said I feel like if I punched Worf in the face I'd break my hand.
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Robert
Wed, Mar 1, 2017, 9:30am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Quality of Life

@Tara - I think the episode is shifted a bit by the fact that the original solution involves killing ALL the existing Exocomps. I actually liked the Deus Ex Machina ending. Data was willing to let them die, he just wasn't willing to force them.

There were problems with it of course, but Data is not being nearly as awful as you think he is.

When arguing with Riker he says "Let me offer an alternative. Transport me to the station, I will attempt a complete manual shut down of the particle stream. "

And when Riker counters with "What if we re-connect their command pathways and we give them a choice? You've assumed the exocomps would shut down before accepting this mission. What if we ask them if they are willing to proceed?" Data agrees that it's reasonable.

His entire problem is with killing the only 3 members of what he believes to be a sentient species without even giving them a chance to object. Essentially enslaving them. It's hard to go at it with "the whole crew ostracizes and despises Data as a murderer" when he was willing to go down there himself and sacrifice himself for his friends.

And ::SPOILER ALERT??:: he eventually makes good on that in the final movie.
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Robert Faulkner
Mon, Feb 13, 2017, 10:17am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

@Yanks - It's kind of scary that NO Trekkies seem to be excited about this time period. I wonder if they know they did a bad thing.
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Robert
Thu, Feb 2, 2017, 10:42am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

I would almost definitely put "Distant Origins" on mine as well, possibly "Living Witness".

Only 20 episodes would be really, really hard... but those are ALL good contenders.

I also liked "Counterpoint", "Dragon's Teeth", "Thirty Days", "Critical Care", "The Void" and "Pathfinder". There were a lot of standouts. My big frustrations were that the characters didn't feel like they grew and learned from these experiences, the series as a whole felt careless about it's own canon/continuity and they didn't do enough with their own premise. But a lot of these were the same writers that put out the best of TNG and they had been doing this for a helluva long time. So when they got it right, it was REALLY right.

It'd be hard to do a top 20... I wonder if I could. There's a lot of Trek.

Just from DS9 alone I'd want "Duet", "In The Hands Of The Prophets", "Improbable Cause/Die Is Cast", "The Way Of The Warrior", "In The Cards", "In The Pale Moonlight", "His Way" and "It's Only A Paper Moon". And that's leaving out a bunch. And only leaves room for 13 other episodes!

TNG I'd want "Measure of a Man", "Yesterday's Enterprise", "BoBW", "Family", "Inner Light", "Chain of Command", "Tapestry" and "The Pegasus". And that's another 7! LOL....

VOY I'd take "Blink of an Eye", "Distant Origins", "Living Witness", and maybe.... "The Void"? That only leaves 2 more spots left!

"City on the Edge of Forever" and "Devil in the Dark" are my 2 favorites... with "Balance of Terror" being #3....

So if I add "Dear Doctor", "Damage" and "Terra Prime" that leaves me 1 more spot on a top 25 list... which is what this has turned into :P

Let's go with "Undiscovered Country" and add my favorite movie in there.


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Robert
Thu, Feb 2, 2017, 9:17am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

"but you can't make a Trek top 10-20 episode list without hitting all the series if you are truly objective"

100% agree. VOY is my least favorite because I have a lot of frustration for what it didn't do, but it probably would appear more on my top 20 list than TOS. When it was great it was great. "Blink of an Eye" is probably one of the coolest sci-fi episodes ever done.
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Robert
Thu, Feb 2, 2017, 9:13am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Survival Instinct

"Another episode where Voyager has has several leaps of tens of thousands of light years, yet people from far far away catch up to them no problem."

I have less of an issue when the Borg do this due to the transwarp conduits. It's still a heck of a coincidence though!
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Robert
Wed, Feb 1, 2017, 2:06pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

@Bufo - I'm going to disagree there. DS9 had problems, and it wasn't "bucket 1", but DID try to cover a lot of new ground (and succeeded at some of it). DS9's bucket was to borrow the world TNG built without trying to be a retread of TNG.

VOY tried to be in DS9's bucket (the lost in space, 2 crews, new aliens, new quadrant were all attempts at "new stuff in the same sandbox") but the writers really wanted to make assembly line TNG.

Likewise ENT's first 2 seasons were basically more assembly line TNG (that bucket 2 stuff you speak of) and then started to try (to varying levels of success) to be in bucket 3 (same world, new ideas).

DS9/ENT3/ENT4 don't have to be your cup of tea, but that whole "same world, new concept/new ideas" thing is fine by me. As is Bucket 1. As long as we're done with Bucket 2.
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Robert
Wed, Feb 1, 2017, 10:38am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Perfect Mate

Why can't it be both? Why can't 24 century sex toys be so advance that we have emotional attachments to them?
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Robert
Wed, Feb 1, 2017, 8:28am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Perfect Mate

@Tara - But Minuet wasn't a woman. Minuet was basically 24th century pornography and Picard and Riker were treating IT as such. That conversation was basically amounting to... "With the internet and a free left hand, who needs a woman amirite??" Early TNG guest stars are problematic, but it's worth pointing out that Minuet is not a woman but a piece of tech designed to "stimulate" Riker.

FWIW I agree with your assessment that there aren't many (any) females in Trek that could have pulled this episode off the way Picard does. Neither Troi nor Crusher really could have, Kira is too fundamentally broken personally (though I love her) to have made that work, Jadzia could possibly have done it... as could Janeway (when written correctly). But that's probably it. Whereas there are probably 10 or so men that this episode could have been done for.

Also, to throw my 2 cents in... I think that she did make a choice. I think she spent years mostly alone and she knows what she's like when she's alone. I think she realizes she's going to have to eventually absorb part of SOMEBODY'S personality and I think she liked herself with Picard. I think maybe when she went back to her quarters each day she missed the piece of her that left with him.

It may still be not her ideal, but it doesn't sound like staying blank is possible. So Picard may have been the next best thing.
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Robert
Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 1:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi - I think that's the best anyone has ever explained it from my perspective. "Its a challenge of continuity and a challenge of aesthetics" hits the nail right on the head.

It's not that we're looking for something to be pissed about, it's just that there's a reason TNG took place 100 years later, and it was REALLY, REALLY smart.

That doesn't mean it can't be done without pissing us all off, it just means it's incredibly less likely.
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