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Jons
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 3:54pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S1: Justice

Besides the obvious ridicule of that episode, I agree with David M.

The obvious answer being that ST is a show made by and for straight men. They not only don't care about male physique but would probably feel threatened by guys who look too good. Hence the flabbliness fiesta. Too bad because the male Edo lead had a very nice face.
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Jons
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 2:51pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Up the Long Ladder

I could never understand why a SCI FI show would insist portraying "scientific" races as bad and scary, (listen to the ridiculous "ominous music" when they beam down to Mariposa and the shock stares when they mention the rather obvious presence of cloning...) while primitive "close to Earth (which apparently means being drunk all the time) are always nice, friendly and sympathetic... One would think that if you like ST you are not afraid of science and progress?
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Jons
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 2:53pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: The Measure of a Man

There is no "we don't know" about him being sentient - the very fact that he spontaneously says (and insists) he's sentient means he is.

And an argument which I think should have been pushed further: Organic life isn't any less a machine than Data. The only difference is that it's a self-replicating machine. Animals (humans included) are organic machines whose building and functioning is determined by dna sequences (GACT instead of 0 & 1).

As for the comparison with the ship's computer: As a matter of fact, not all organic life is sentient: We have somehow determined, for diverse reasons good or bad that non-sentient life isn't as respectable as sentient life. In that, the ship's computer isn't Starfleet's property any more than a dog belonging to Starfleet would be. Still, just as a dog isn't a human being, the ship's computer isn't a sentient android. The fact they're both non-organic has no bearing on this.

In any case, whether it's here or during the Doctor's trial in Voyager, I cannot even begin to understand the arguments of the "they're machines" side. Obviously as portrayed in Star Trek, they ARE sentient (whether we will one day be able to replicate a brain's complexity well enough that this would be possible is another matter entirely).
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Jons
Sat, Feb 15, 2014, 2:33pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Captain's Holiday

I personally stopped enjoying this episode as soon as the Ferengi showed up. The only slightly funny moment was when Troi suggested her mother was going to come and visit, and the way Picard shook Vash's hand when she introduced herself. That was a really good moment of acting on Stewart's part.

The rest was just so boring I couldn't watch it.
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Jons
Fri, Feb 14, 2014, 12:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Who Watches the Watchers

"While it would be against the Prime Directive to allow Picard to be seen as a god, Picard has a speech here that seems to be against religion at all."

Interesting, that was one of the only interesting things in the episode, and with which I agreed.

If you can't understand why people believing in unproved (and unprovable) fables that dictate their behavior and thought, conveniently exploited by a few leaders, is a problem for science and the advancement of civilisations, then maybe you should give it some more thought...
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Jons
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 3:10pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: What You Leave Behind

As far as I'm concerned, Season 7 killed DS9 for me, and that last episode certainly didn't help.

The conclusion of the war arc was interesting, if slightly expected (who doubted for a second that the cure would be the ultimate bargaining tool? And why didn't the federation use it BEFORE 800 million lives were lost?). The Cardassian / Dominion / Bajoran is the most interesting aspect of DS9, and it should have filled the whole episode, not just the first third of it. (Including resolutions about Bajora and Cardassia)

On the other hand, I've always thought the Prophets thing was cringeworthy, and the amount of time devoted to "the Pawraith" was ridiculous, considering the little impact it had overall! I couldn't care less about all that religious drivel, and Dukat's character deserved more than to be reduced to a one-dimensional bad guy in the last season.

As for the "ending" of the series, I couldn't believe it when I saw the montage. Never thought I'd see that in a professional TV series. It was so... amateur and obscenely manipulative. I didn't feel sadness, just deep, deep embarrassment.

Anyway, I'd like to forget that season 7 and that sorry episode ever happened and stay with the good memories of season 5 & 6. Unlike Voyager which felt rushed at the end, DS9 felt like it was a season too long and they just didn't know what to do with the show and the story (hence the countless filler episodes of season 7). Really too bad.
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Jons
Sat, Feb 8, 2014, 5:14pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Covenant

I've sad it already, but I still can't get past it so I'm saying it again: I can't believe how DS9 has jumped the shark.

An interesting, original ST show has become a ridiculous Americanist religion-based jingoistic piece of drivel. I'm really struggling to keep on watching season 7... But after 6 seasons, I really want to see the end, although so far not a single season 7 episode has had me entertained.

Here Dukat is reduced to some ridiculous caricature of a meanie, and we have to go on and on and on hearing about "faith" and the idea that this cult are a "bad faith" vs. the "good faith" of Kira. Remember when Star Trek was a-religious and religion was (rightly) seen as primitive local superstition? Now we have a show that legitimates religious beliefs (look! Sisk really is a prophet!) and has shed not only credibility but any interesting nuance in the process...

Sorry to be so negative but season 7 is making me hate DS9 and feel ashamed of liking Star Trek.
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Jons
Sat, Feb 8, 2014, 11:29am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Take Me Out to the Holosuite

PS: For all the good about DS9, it does seem to bend over backward to pander to people who don't like science-fiction anyway.

If I wanted to watch a series about baseball (or any other 20th century pastime), I wouldn't watch Star Trek. If I wanted crass Americanist pandering fluff, I'd watch Walker Texas Ranger or something.
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Jons
Sat, Feb 8, 2014, 11:25am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Take Me Out to the Holosuite

Boring, couldn't stand watching more than 15 minutes of it. So far, season 7 is a complete let-down.

The worst of Star Trek in a single episode: 20th century-centric (again!), anthropocentric, ridiculous about Vulcans (logic is bad! emotions are good!), illogical (well of course - as if Odo was a logical choice of umpire and as if Vulcans would accept that?) and unnecessary fluff (especially, as others have said, during the last season!).

And of course, worst of all, it makes no sense - what kind of Vulcan would suddenly take up a 400 year-old Earth game? Which JUST SO HAPPENS to be Sisko's favourite? And then come to a warzone and challenge a Starfleet captain? And what kind of captain would spend TWO WEEKS during a war to prepare for something as futile??
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Jons
Sat, Feb 8, 2014, 8:30am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Tears of the Prophets

From season 2 and on, I have really enjoyed DS9. Season 5 was (mostly) amazing. But I hate this episode and what it says about season 7... The preponderance of "religion" and "emissionary" stuff is getting on my nerves, and I feel like I'm watching Stargate SG1 rather than Star Trek. I don't like that. (Currently watching season 7 episode 1, and I'm not liking it).

I hate how suddenly everyone in ST is religious and a "believer" in sort some of local planetary religion (since of course, as typical for ST, there's only one religion per planet).
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Jons
Fri, Feb 7, 2014, 6:49pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Profit and Lace

The only bearable moment in the episode is Worf's "I cannot think of any" in the beginning (thanks to Dorn's perfect delivery).

Anything that precedes or follows that is an absolute nightmare of sexism. From the sexual harassment victim who LIKES IT, then the idea that women's personalities are defined by their 'hormones" (since Quark changes 100% as soon as he's been "transformed"), not mentioning the ridiculous plothole of "traditional female ferengi clothing". Everything is pathetic and transphobic / gay-baiting drivel (OMG! That's so funny that Rom says he wanted a ring from a man! Because he's a man!!! Get it??)

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Jons
Fri, Feb 7, 2014, 3:01pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: In the Pale Moonlight

I think what makes this all very disturbing, is that THE PLAN WORKED... Which in the end justifies the means, and helps Sisko justify his actions - and even think that they were right.

What is dangerous and disturbing, is that every dictator and evil person is convinced they are doing the "right thing" or the wrong thing but "for the right reasons". The loss of that absolute, objective moral compass is what is scary and at stake in this episode. That makes the last scene very chilling and disturbing.
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Jons
Fri, Feb 7, 2014, 2:48pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: His Way

There's nothing I hate more than when Star Trek pretends that people in the 24th century will be interested or even know anything detailed about mid-20th century history or culture.
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Jons
Thu, Feb 6, 2014, 2:56pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Who Mourns for Morn?

'You know how he is! He never shuts up!"

Tat really made me laugh. Anything beyond that, yuck. I skipped to the next episode a few minutes afterward...
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Jons
Thu, Feb 6, 2014, 1:33pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: Statistical Probabilities

A ridiculous episode, with EVERY single cliché about "crazy people" in it: the silent one, the slutty one, the nice idiotic fool, the extravagant one...

All of that crossed with every single cliché and stupidity about "intelligence":

1/ It's absurd that people who have been locked away in an asylum for their whole lives with no exposition to the outside world (as we're told) could be such people's people they can read a face and deduct the wildest and most precise things about! That's not intelligence, it's insight. Plus it's worth mentioning that in real life, people with Aspergers (which these four "idiot geniuses" are obviously based on) are PARTICULARLY inept at reading faces.

2/ Statistical projections work by scenarios, since different courses of actions (which are not predictable) lead to different consequences.. "It's a statistical model that becomes more precise as time passes" - this is absurd. No amount of Trek techno-babble can make up for that. No statistical model can work this way, unless you can predict the future. Obviously, the farther from us the more unknown.

Anyway, a ridiculous episode I could barely go through... Up until "Sacrifice of Angels" I was loving season 6 but these past few episodes have been a complete let-down. Just like in season 5 - strong beginning, strong finish (hopefully) but the middle is just a bunch of filler-episodes. Very disappointing.
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Jons
Wed, Feb 5, 2014, 2:50pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Children of Time

Mediocre episode. Obvious time loop problems (they avoid the anomaly because their descendants tell them to avoid it, which means they never have descendants, which means nobody tells them which means they have descendants which... blahblahblah).

Pathetic sentimentalism based on ridiculous biology (200 years is a very, very long time. Nobody's anybody's grandchild, or more exactly, by that time everybody's everybody's grandchild) and dubious comment on abortion (omg! what if those babies had lived!!) which makes no sense.

I honestly don't understand the four star rating. For me it's a 1 star AT BEST.
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Jons
Wed, Feb 5, 2014, 4:38am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

I also do not understand the Federation's decision against genetic "aide". Having a character in A SPACE STATION eating food made by computers and who recently vacationed on a planet where the weather is artificially controlled saying that he's "unnatural" sounds completely disingenuous and ludicrous.

The truth is Star Trek writers didn't want to go into that because when ST was created, these things we seen as "cheating". For all the "wonderful" new technologies they had on the show, it was actually the lat 60s and most people still didn't have colour TV... and nobody really understood DNA engineering. So, like for cloaking technology, an arbitrary decision was made that the Federation were too good for either.

In reality of course, the Federation would have been crushed to pieces if they had decided indeed to NOT develop a cloaking device for their ships. It's like deciding that guns are a cowards' weapon and that you'll stay with a sword. Well, you may very well do that, but you'll lose. The same goes for genetic engineering, in truth it can be perfectly controlled (although there should be a lot of safeguards) and indeed the Federation sounds like Luddites and (like all Luddites) complete hypocrites, considering the rest of the technology they create and use daily!
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Jons
Tue, Feb 4, 2014, 2:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Begotten

To the assholes up above: Some people (ie, me) are watching this all for the first time and would like a warning before comments about what happens in later seasons!

Anyway, I loved the Odo-Mora plot. I think it's interesting that as the audience we see Mora's character under a new light. As for now, we only had Odo's interpretation. I liked that we saw more about Mora's feelings ans the difficulty he was put through with Odo.

Nobody said it, but it may also have helped Odo to point out that humanoids put their own infants and children through quite a lot of discomfort to make them evolve: Fixed times for sleeping and eating, house training, refusal to give too much food, forcing them to go to school and learn etc.

The last scene where Mora hugs Odo and expresses that he still wants Odo in his life was really heartbreakingly touching.
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Jons
Tue, Feb 4, 2014, 8:35am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Things Past

I liked it, it's right up DS9's "realistic" alley (not saying they always respect their premise, but here they do).

I ESPECIALLY loved the ending when Kira - irrationally but understandably - demands that Odo confirm this was his only lapse of judgement. And he says the truth: he doesn't know. The ending was very powerful.
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Jons
Tue, Feb 4, 2014, 8:29am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Let He Who Is Without Sin...

" For Fullerton to infer a causal relationship between vacationing and an impending downfall of the Federation is such a stretch that I couldn't help but feel cynical about the premise's whole idea. Every facet of Fullerton and his lame soapbox preaching manages to insult my intelligence. "

So... You have never seen actual fundamentalist Christians then? These are the people who sue schools because they put Harry Potter in their libraries, say Yoga is Satan entering the soul and that last week's tornado is caused by gay marriage!

I didn't think that episode was that bad, and to be honest, I felt it was pretty realistic that some people would feel like they do. And the struggle Worf goes through is very real, and echoes on a social level what happened on Homefront - sacrificing your paradise to somehow *save* paradise is impossible. If you want paradise, you have to take the risks that go with it.
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Jons
Tue, Feb 4, 2014, 12:09am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Nor the Battle to the Strong

I love how judging by the comments here you'd think everyone's a veterant soldier. "Omg hes like totally a coward!!" - I almost feel like I'm on world net daily...

I liked that episode, even if the themes were a bit obvious, the execution was great. In particular: the fact Jake didn't pick up a gun to kill Klingons but just shot in the dark, out of despair - that felt real (and took courage for the writers, since lots of viewers prefer to identify with manly action men and heroes). I like also how you get a better appreciation for other ST characters: by seeing it all from Jake's point of view, we do finally see others like Bashir and Sisko as adults... And as soldiers. They're not civilians, they face these situations all the time, and Jake realises that it's not like being a civilian on a ship or station.

Anyway, an effective episode. Sorry the world net daily commenters feel it's too anti-war: apparently watching a show that promotes peace is ok as long as it doesn't say why.
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Jons
Mon, Feb 3, 2014, 10:48pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Looking for Par'mach in All the Wrong Places

@ Nissa: a slut, really??

ST characters have one-off romances ALL THE TIME, why? Because ST is mainly a one-hour show, a bit like a sitcom. Dax isn't any more a slut than Picard. Unless you think it's only because she's a woman (currently) so she should marry or be a nun...

I'll never understand the star trek fandom i guess. How can one watch a show that is so willingly progressive and yet be so staunchingly conservative it's ridiculous?
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Jons
Mon, Feb 3, 2014, 3:29pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: Body Parts

I think it's quite obvious Garak never intended to actually kill Quark nor did he think for a second that Quark actually wanted to go through with it (as he slyly remarks when they're doing the holosuits simulations... And then proceeds to tease telling him that "he won't know what hit him").

I liked that episode, nice ending, very nice acting.
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Jons
Mon, Feb 3, 2014, 11:57am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: The Quickening

The premise and the episode was great, but what made it really, really excellent is the ending. I sincerely thought it would be the ending cliché: Bashir finds the cure, too late for the mother but just in time to cure the baby and everyone else.

Instead, the fact that he found a vaccine was completely unexpected (by me at least) and felt really plausible and genuine. And in a way it was even more touching for me than if he had found a realy cure.

The bitter-sweetness of the ending, and the definite embodiment of hope (not for themselves, but for their civilisation's future) actually kind of choked me up (which is unusual for me, I have to say).

Really, really well done.
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Jons
Mon, Feb 3, 2014, 5:52am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: Rules of Engagement

I can't stand Klingons. I think they're the stupidest invention in Star Trek. Both originally (where they're just SO obviously just space soviets... I mean they even have Russian accents for Gods sake! so subtle) and in post-TOS where they are just caricatural "MANLY MEN" presumably supposed to get 100 pounds 14 year old nerds to vicariously feel masculine. Or something.

I don't know, but they're so dumb and representative of everything I despise (violence, "honor", mysoginy, machismo...) that I just can't stand episodes with them as the main plot. Worf excepted, of course, since he's about as Klingon as Picard (obviously, since Klingons as they're written on this show could never be actual main characters since they're so shallow and stupid).
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