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Cloudane
Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 5:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: Miri

Did I miss the explanation for how this second Earth came to.... be?

Kirk flirting relentlessly with Miri. That's not creepy. (come on I do know these crushes happen but the adult reciprocating and calling them pretty? I'm pretty darn sure they didn't intend it to come across this way, but eww)

Once she starts "becoming a woman" he immediately sets her to work cleaning desks and sharpening pencils!

"I never get involved with older women" doesn't help him either.

And indeed a rather slow episode.
I do like the Spock+McCoy moments though.
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Cloudane
Thu, Aug 24, 2017, 6:14pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: What Are Little Girls Made Of?

Watching the HD remasters you really notice the makeup they put on Kirk and the others!

Anyone else think Corby looks a bit like Trip from Enterprise?

And Lurch there - I was going to ask whether it was the same actor as Mr Homn in TNG only to find the latter actually played Lurch... well, freaking hell XD
(scrolls up and reads other comments - eeyup, AJ!)

An interesting early examination of AI and the philosophy of what it means to exist.
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Cloudane
Mon, Aug 7, 2017, 7:40pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: The Outcast

Still debating this in the current year is kind of depressing! Particularly when you consider how many on the internet would immediately dismiss this episode nowadays as "SJW".

Personally as a bisexual I do tolerate homophobes; I know people have religious or other reasons why they don't feel they can outwardly approve of those with different sexual feelings doing anything more than repressing themselves or at best keeping their private affairs private - but I expect tolerance in return. The problem is when someone has a belief of what's "right", they tend to want to bring it into law. And then those who have done others no harm lose their right to be themselves.
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Cloudane
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 7:19pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: Mudd's Women

Already commented. Rewatch thoughts:

Oh god the 3 of them in the transporter room gawping like horny 13 year olds D:
*CRINNNNGE*

I still see this as a classic "Spock irony" episode. He's overtly mentioned several times as being emotionless, and yet expresses emotion more than we've seen so far. He doesn't drool over the women as heavily, but he still does, you can see it quite a lot.

Sexism wise, it's hard to know what to think as if you try and mention such things nowadays you can very easily get dismissed as SJW (which I think is a much worse thing. I'm a bit leftist, that doesn't mean I'm an authoritarian nutjob who just reverses sexism and racism). It makes me cringe a whole lot, but I like how Eve rises above it and is just an individual. One comment tried to suggest this episode as proof Star Trek wasn't Rodenberry's vision because he wanted to do this as a pilot, but really I think it was progressive enough for its time.

As an aside with the HD remaster, Mudd's scenes often seem to be of a lower quality. Odd.
Also the HD makes the "magic pill gives you makeup" thing all the more obvious (along with all the makeup they slapped on Shatner himself!)
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Cloudane
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 7:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: The Enemy Within

Brilliant, a very important acknowledgement of the uncomfortable part of ourselves being actually very useful, and I think present day people could learn a lot from this.

I apologise if this is insulting or something but I think the two Kirks can be argued as similar to "the left" and "the right" - the carer/nurturer and the red blooded go getter, and rather than being at each other's throats we need each other. We're living in a time when we're pretty much Kirk vs Kirk right now.
Similar with Spock and the battles he shows between his Human and Vulcan sides.

I feel sorry for Yeoman Rand - constantly the subject of sexual harassment in I think every episode she's appeared in so far!
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Cloudane
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 7:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: The Naked Time

Bloomin' awful, much like the TNG remake. Maybe I'm being uncharitable because I watched it after a few drinks, which normally helps this sort of thing! Perhaps a revisit sometime...
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Cloudane
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 7:00pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: Where No Man Has Gone Before

3 years later another rewatch. Not as good a pilot as The Cage, but not bad. Mitchell just has one of those "if I started hitting it, I'd not want to stop" kind of smug faces :)

Interesting in that it's very much fantasy rather than sci-fi, with the magical powers and such, laying the foundations for what would be a show that mixed the two quite a lot.

Hard to say how I'd rate it.. it does seem to hold up decently.
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Cloudane
Tue, Mar 21, 2017, 3:29pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: Charlie X

Towards the end I was really willing Kirk to go through with that punch, or just chuck the little sod out of an airlock. I'm a bad person :p

This is an interesting episode for me in that it coincidentally follows me having read quite a good social skills series over on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/socialskills/comments/47v23l/how_to_be_socially_skilled_pt1_getting_started
Everything that is mentioned in that series came up in this episode. It felt like I'd just got to the end of a class and been shown a demonstration video :)

As noted by someone in the previous episode's comments, you do see more UhuraXSpock than I remember, along with more emotions in Spock early on, kind of invalidating those criticisms when they're directed at the 2009 reboot. (I'm still not a big fan of the reboot though)
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Cloudane
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 5:09pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: The Man Trap

Let's see how long I can last a rewatch of TOS :p

A very slow start, with some of the long drawn out scenes (generally of the creature slowly staring/approaching) almost going to the level of The SlowMotion Picture. But, as others noted, a reasonable introduction to the crew.

The Cage was a much more interesting intro IMO, it's a shame they didn't go with that but they had to go through a few years of being 'reined in' between The Cage and The Man Trap - Uhura and Sulu were extremely progressive for the time of course, but the strong female second-in-command really gave The Cage a more feminist feel (mind, I think that'd go down just as badly in 2017 as it did in the 60s, I can already feel readers recoiling in horror at the 'f' word). But let's be honest the 'wouldn't you like her as your personal yeoman?' scene seems so cringey now! That's part of the experience of watching these old shows though, just shows how far we've come, and ultimately the change in feel between The Cage and Man Trap is what compromise looks like - something the modern world needs to re-learn.

The first redshirts didn't wear red shirts! I can't remember how often this is actually the case - 'red shirts' may be one of those false legends a bit like how Kirk never said "Beam me up Scotty"?
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Cloudane
Sun, Jul 17, 2016, 2:57pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: The Game

Pokemon Go. :)

Google Glass too...
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Cloudane
Thu, Feb 4, 2016, 5:51pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S4: Scientific Method

"I didn't realise you saw me as reckless, Mr Tuvok!"
"A poor choice of words. It was clearly.. an understatement."

Hehehe

Saw a clip of this on Youtube. As terrible an episode as it may have been (I can't remember) this was one of Janeway's finer moments of 'kicking butt'. You have to hand it that.
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Cloudane
Mon, Oct 19, 2015, 6:22am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: In the Flesh

Oh so that's you... small world. Well, excellent work DLPB! I saw that article (being a huge FF7 fan myself) and although I think the awful original translation is part of the game's charm, it's great to have this version too. Sometimes we just didn't have the foggiest idea what they were saying!
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Cloudane
Fri, Aug 7, 2015, 4:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: The Emperor's New Cloak

I was looking out for LGBT in Trek and never saw any except, as you say Robert, in "kind of evil/sketchy parallel universe"... Or "sort of hinted at or taken that way by viewers" (Guinan's wording), "indirectly alluded to due to biological circumstances" (the androgynous species and Riker, Dax and her previous host's partner, the sort of sexual undertones of changelings merging and I think at one point Odo merged with another guy etc) and other such methods. And I think an off screen reference, perhaps it was that "co-husband" bit. I never noticed it happening directly and in the main universe.

Makes sense in a way for it to be glossed over as a non issue, but if so it's amazingly subtle compared to the hetero stuff. Or in the TOS era, they'd have just directly placed a gay person on the bridge (which had its share of skirt chasers at times) had it been on their radar at the time. Perhaps they just weren't feeling quite as bold and as willing to fight conservative TV networks by the TNG era onwards
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Cloudane
Thu, Jan 15, 2015, 8:34am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Fortunate Son

Perhaps. But again with missing the fact that that part wasn't aimed at him - I said "usually", explaining why I have quite a strong distaste for seeing the derogatory term "SJW" being thrown at anyone who shows the slightest signs of liberalism at the moment. Not necessarily that he is one of those.

I agree that moderate/secular Muslims at least need to be more active in showing that they are NOT the kind of people who chop hands off, behead, rape etc and condemning those who do. And those who do want to chop people's hands off, promote terrorism etc - absolutely, THEY should be banned, kicked out, locked up, whatever and are deserving of hate, I feel the same way, they're scum. But hating all Muslims, saying that the entire faith should be banned and anyone following it ejected from the country - sorry but that's bigotry in the extreme. That's where I'm coming from. A lot of humans do bad things. Should all humans be banned? I'm just saying don't turn it into an excuse to blanket hate. Right now we have peaceful non-extremists who just want to follow their own interpretation of the God(s) stuff without any of the ancient "doing harm to others", and are afraid to even go outside for fear of being threatened in the street (see the "I'll ride with you" groups et al). The religion does need to catch up with the other religions in completely eradicating the extremist murdering nutjobs (let's call it Westernisation for the sake of brevity), I just don't think bombarding all 2 billion of them with endless hatred is really going to endear them to the idea of being Westernised. As always, target the actual bad guys, not all the civilians.

In summary, I'm in favour of people not killing other people (except for defence - and yes, wiping out terrorists counts as defence) and not spewing vicious hate at other people, especially in blanket form at entire groups (religious, racial, social, whatever) who in the majority are peaceful and harmless. There are better ways that don't just rile them all up and make them more sympathetic to the terrorists.
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Cloudane
Thu, Jan 15, 2015, 7:42am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Fortunate Son

That's ok, whether any of my loose implications (which were not actually aimed at a specific individual but I guess if any of the mud sticks people assume it was all for them) are valid or not I have no time for people who throw terms like "SJW" around anyway. It's usually bleated by all the 4chan/8chan #gamergate wankers whose idea of raising a concern about something is to wait until a feminist does something wrong then doxx and harrass them, then cry victim at all the "evil feminist SJWs" when they point out that doxxing and harrassing people isn't very nice, and is a bit hypocritical when they were claiming to be whinging about "ethics".
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Cloudane
Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 4:12pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Fortunate Son

Yeah I wouldn't "side" with them per se, it's just that when surrounded with people going to the extremes of Islamophobia (it's certainly not just this site), you find yourself perhaps overcompensating a little in trying to find balance. The be all and end all is that we're not exactly saints ourselves and need to try and see beyond "goodies" and "baddies" a bit.

And again, we're talking about extremist minorities.

I pointed out shootings as an example, as a lot of that goes on over in the US and it's absolutely awful. Senseless killing of innocent children. (Remind you of anything? etc). Yet we (speaking from the UK but basically speaking for most of the world) don't go around saying that Americans are all a bunch of child-murdering psychopaths and a terrible culture of mass shootings. Or that Christianity (also huge) is a toxic gay-hating religion because of the few nutjobs at Westboro. Etc.

More in the Muslim community should be speaking out and condemning the terrorist branches though, for sure. We don't need to go so ridiculously liberal/PC that they can do no wrong whatsoever. Just maybe in some cases ease off on the Islamophobia, racism, bigotry and hate just a tad. It disturbs me the way some people are thinking (not necessarily here but in general) with how they want all Muslims kicked out "to where they came from" etc, some of it can sound worryingly similar to the way Jews were treated not so long ago. Hating on a HUGE religious group for the acts of a few and retaliating in the style of "for every 1 they kill of us, kill 10 of them!" has never led anywhere good in the past.
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Cloudane
Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 2:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Fortunate Son

So this is why my email is going nuts...

Welp, quick way to learn who the bigots and supremacists are I suppose. I mean hey, it's not like "the West" ever kills anyone or does anything shitty or has any sort of toxic culture to it at all..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
oops who put that link there..

And of course the tens of thousands of deaths (many of them civilians) that occured in retaliation to the 3000 or so killed in 9/11 don't count, because they're just dirty brown foreigners with their backwards ways and non-Christian religion. Yep, all 2 billion Muslims - evil terrorists... everyone in good old 'murrica and co - squeaky clean (God bless 'em eh)

People need to stop blanket hating other people, killing other people, and generally being dicks to other people. On BOTH sides. As long are there are people going around thinking that they're saints and those who are different to them are all evil, we're a long long way from any kind of Trek-like dream where we've evolved past this kind of bullshit.
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Cloudane
Mon, Apr 7, 2014, 10:05am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S6: Life Line

Hehe, Red Dwarf :) Quite true..

I think the problem is, it was just that - it was a sitcom style "and those guys are scrubbing plasma conduits, hahaha!" (or mining or whatever it was they ended up doing) but it's totally out of context in Trek, which wasn't a comedy but rather supposed to have a bit more realism / believability.

I guess that's why Trek's other attempts at comedy (episodes involving heavy use of Ferengi, Mrs Troi etc) tend to fall flat as well. They're just so out of place that they feel 'off'
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Cloudane
Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 6:33pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: Mudd's Women

I kind of liked what it ended with: that beauty comes from believing in yourself. Though it's a bit odd, as whatever way you look at it, it was conveyed with makeup tricks, and belief in oneself doesn't apply makeup and fancy hairdos. But I get what they were *trying* (badly) to say.

Unfortunately it took an ungodly amount of cringe-worthy sexism to get there. All in all, not exactly a favourite.

Spock suggested a few emotions like enjoyment, though he's never struck me as hardline non-emotional as Data.
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Cloudane
Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 9:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: The Corbomite Maneuver

"Sorry, just had to get that out of my system :P"

My first line was:

{DRAMATIC MUSIC}


but I used pointy brackets, and the comments form seems to interpret HTML literally. Tut tut.
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Cloudane
Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 9:52pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: The Corbomite Maneuver



Sorry, just had to get that out of my system :P The music in this episode was really, really irritating. And the tension was rather exaggerated. Oh no, a spinning cube!!! Condition: Alert!!! Music to full drama power!!!

Poor Bailey. Everyone basically picked on him and treated him relentlessly like an idiot until he cracked under the pressure of their judgement and made mistakes, thus seeming to prove them right, and feeding his sense of self-doubt into itself. I know how he feels, I've been suffering that myself with my manager at work; though oddly, recognising it may have helped me there.

I find it interesting how "purely Trek" this is, where rather than firing everything they've got, they sit and think, and don't even resort to it in last second desperation (if you're gonna die anyway..), instead just keeping calm. A couple of hundred years later with Janeway or Sisko, they probably would've blown that sphere thing to millions of tiny pieces the moment it showed the slightest hint of aggression. Makes you think.
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Cloudane
Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 9:00pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: Where No Man Has Gone Before

It begins. (I'm re-watching, in production order)

I'd forgotten how "Pilot"-y this was, albeit closer to the long term show than The Cage was.

I definitely preferred The Cage, but babes and topless fist fights were what sold shows to NBC in those days, and so it's a necessary part of the show's history. I've seen worse show pilots, I think.
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Cloudane
Mon, Feb 10, 2014, 7:38pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S6: Frame of Mind

Fans of episodes like this who are also into gaming could do worse than check out BioShock Infinite. I just finished it, it's an awesome game, and afterwards my mind turned to this episode of TNG.
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Cloudane
Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 9:02am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S5: Night

@Jammer yes that's quite an amusing effect :)

I've also been guilty countless times of sayings things like "I hope they improve the writing of soandso". In the back of my mind I know it already finished over a decade ago and the writers have long since packed up gone home and written other things. But sometimes you get so immersed in the show (especially if you do things like watching early Voyager and mid-late DS9 in parallel to match how they aired) that you kind of forget it was all done and dusted years ago. It's interesting :)
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Cloudane
Wed, Jan 22, 2014, 5:52am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S1: Fallen Hero

@Jim - hah, fair enough, well I can see why everyone enjoys it.

@Sintek - lol. Complete with the libe- er I mean near libellous comments. Good effort 10/10, good to see Trekkies aren't immune to casting aspersions about other people's choice of TV shows - I'll admit, I was curious about that. (I wouldn't bother compiling the inevitable list of why you find it evil and creepy, it's water off a duck's back in much the same way as the old comments about being a Trekkie were)

@Mad - to be fair, that's not exactly a stretch :)


FWIW I finished Enterprise and it was overall poor, but had some good moments in the final season.
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