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Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 6:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Begotten

@Linda

"Chrome, wasn’t Hugh the Borg a member of the collective that had been assimilating other species? Obviously he’d fit the category of POW. This Changeling was a baby, essentially a blank page who had done nothing wrong."

Yes, and the Changelings were at one time all part of the great link. But, Hugh was also a youth and he had no control over his actions, so I think he's just as innocent as a stray Changeling.
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Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 2:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Disaster

@Michb

I could say the same of your review. What did you find boring? How would you improve the episode?
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Thu, Jun 22, 2017, 12:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Begotten

"Sisko announced that, if results weren’t timely enough, Starfleet would take the changeling, I thought, can Starfleet just do that? With a sentient being, even if it is a changeling? Odo would be okay with that and allow it and not fight against it?'

Typically, I don't think Starfleet could do it, but the Federation probably considered any non-Odo changeling a POW at that point in the series. Though, you're right that there's some uneven treatment. "Laas" in "Chimera" is strictly under Odo's custody until a homicide is committed. It kind of makes you wonder if Starfleet has lower standards for sentient being-rights for incomplete beings (like they do with Androids, as seen in TNG).

However, it really seems dependent of the degree of Federation security needed. Hugh, the Borg on TNG for example, was immediately taken into custody and treated as a POW and then a walking bomb. Although Picard softened in the end, Nacheyiv later makes it clear that Starfleet would've gone forward with walking bomb route, because of the Borg level of security risk.
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Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 2:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Devil's Due

@Steven

A character is not the same thing as an actor. I may think Gul Dukat is horrible person and still find that Marc Alaimo is a wonderful person.

I see what you mean about Ardra coming on strong, but I think the acting fits a TOS script very well. In fact, I'm surprised you go on to make comparisons to other TNG love interests when Dubois' doesn't play Ardra like a typical TNG character.

For my part, I think it's refreshing to have the con artist be a female for a change on TNG. We get all these despicable swindlers like Kivas Fajo, Berlinghoff Rasmussen, Lore, and so on, but rarely do we get to see the woman play that dubious role on this show.
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Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 10:26am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S3: The Die Is Cast

@Samuel

You're right, that's a plothole. I doubt most of them could get away because of their formation was so compact that a barrage from the Dominion would almost certainly hit them even while cloaked. Still, I'm sure one or two ships would've gotten away, these are supposed to covert military operations officers, right?
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Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 10:36am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: For the Uniform

It is funny that DS9 would do a revenge story within a year of First Contact. I actually do agree with "The Judge" that someone should have called Sisko out the same way Picard was called out. I can get on board the whole ends justify the means argument, but I think i.e. "In the Pale Moonlight" handles it better.
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Thu, Jun 15, 2017, 10:55am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Brothers

People always bring up how much of a security risk Data is, but how many times has he saved the ship because he's an android? Just off the top of my head "Clues", "The Game", "Cause and Effect", "Timescape" and I'm sure many others I can't keep track of. Considering this, if you were a captain of starship, would you seriously refuse to have Data in your crew?
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Tue, Jun 13, 2017, 1:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

@Q

You're right, in a way. A lot of what made this one popular was that it was opened the Star Trek tent to a non-fan audience by having a universally understandable caper (hi-jack the whales from captivity for a better tomorrow!).

TVH also incorporates a lot of contemporary language and settings and spices them up with Trek dialog, which isn't necessarily sci-fi dialog. Then "First Contact" repeats the process with yet another set of relatable contemporary people.

By the time we get to Star Trek 2009, the concept of contemporary people basically merged with the Trek characters themselves. Kirk listens to the Beastie Boys, gets into bar fights in a dive that might as well exist in our time. Starfleet is no longer some hallowed institution but rather something the everyman can just enlist in, like the U.S. Navy.
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Fri, Jun 9, 2017, 12:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Silicon Avatar

@Jason R.

Sorry if this wasn't clear, but I was referring to justice in terms of equity, not procedural justice with a magistrate. And to that degree, I think "kill on sight" is at least an understandable position, if not a hard-nosed one.

People may frown on the idea of an "eye for an eye", but when gets down to it, many punishments, especially capital punishment, are just that.

That said, I want to reiterate that I don't think kill on sight is warranted here, it's just something to consider. Even Riker assumed search and destroy was the Enterprise's mission before Picard tried to temper that.
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Fri, Jun 9, 2017, 10:29am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Silicon Avatar

@Baron Samedi

Excellent comment. I think the one thing you're missing which keeps being brought up is that the CE did already kill countless others (malevolently or not), and so there's bound to be people who think justice for those lives would be be served by destroying the CE on the spot.

I agree with Picard, though. If the Federation could befriend itself with the CE the same way Lore did, think of what a valuable ally the Federation would have. It could've eaten that little universe in DS9's "Playing God", or while on the subject of DS9, wouldn't it have been great to let the CE go feast on some Cardassian or Dominion worlds? I think the hawks on this board are too short-sighted.
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Tue, Jun 6, 2017, 12:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Loss

@William B

I forget about "The Naked Now" because season one's full of early installation weirdness, but I suppose Geordi does lament being blind when "drunk". It might even be safe to say Geordi would only mind being blind if he was out of his senses from intoxication.

I did think about "The Mind's Eye", but we never really get a moment where Geordi reflects on being used as a tool by the Romulans (and later again by the Klingons in "ST: Generations"). That might make for a darkly humorous conversation with Troi, though:

Geordi: You think it's hard losing your mind-reading skills? How do you think I feel being, after Data, the single biggest security risk to the Enterprise because I have to use tech to live a normal life?

Then again, we might just end up feeling worse for Geordi than we do for Troi. :)
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Tue, Jun 6, 2017, 11:16am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Loss

@Wiiliam B./Peter G.

Actually, TNG in general really plays down Geordi considering his blindness a disability. No crew member ever mentions it, and Geordi never seems discouraged or left out because of it. In fact, I can really only think of one episode, "The Enemy", where Geordi's blindness even affects his performance. I think being blind is something we might consider a terrible disability today, but not such a big deal in the 24th century, and I'm sure that the writers purposefully avoided making us feel bad for Geordi, but rather liked to show off how incredibly capable Geordi was with his blindness.

So sure, in another show, a blind guy having a heart-to-heart with a woman who lost a sense would work, but it's somewhat antithetical to TNG's message of inclusiveness.

As for Data, I'm still not convinced. In order to experience the trauma you speak of, Data would need to have emotions. Since Data never had emotions, he has nothing to "feel" traumatic about. "Brothers" was just another interesting day for him.
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Tue, Jun 6, 2017, 10:34am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Loss

@Peter G.

Data losing a chance at feeling emotion isn't really the same as what Troi's going through in this episode, I'm not sure Data could relate. But even so, Data does have a scene with Troi where explains that he lacks human insight anyway.

As for Geordi and his blindness, pardon the pun, but I don't see it. "Hey Deanna, I've lived without sight all my life, so you'll be fine without empathic powers?" What? Guinan was really a good choice because she actually does have a skillset and capabilities similar to Troi.
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Mon, Jun 5, 2017, 4:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Loss

@Michb

Geordi was born blind and never "lost" anything. He seems pretty content with his VISOR as we see in episodes like "The Masterpiece Society". What did Data lose?
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Mon, Jun 5, 2017, 11:33am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: The Siege of AR-558

@Quarkissnyder

Well, Klingons do turn to violence to solve nearly every single one of their problems, so I think Quark's metaphor is apt. Heck, Quark had to engage in mortal combat just to have a chance with Grilka.
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Fri, Jun 2, 2017, 11:21am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

For my part, I've never heard the word bromance used in a negative connotation. It's like Mel Gibson and Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon or Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker from Rush Hour. Two guys bond over the same struggles, and make a good team. Nothing more than that.

That may just be how it's used in the U.S., though, and maybe only in the circle I'm aware of. I'd be interested to know if other countries use the term differently.

As to the topic at hand, I think Robert's last comment pretty much sums up my feelings on Beyond's use of the main cast.
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Thu, Jun 1, 2017, 1:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

"Why we didn't get anything like that in beyond when Sulu's family was in danger? Why weren't these two characters allowed to be worried about their loved ones and bond through that?"

Right, exactly that. Sulu's family time was a fine idea with poor execution. It didn't contribute to the story, and it felt more like Sulu was given a diversity medal instead of actually having a thread in the story. That's not celebrating a diverse cast, it's just tokenism.

As I think I've expressed numerous times here, there's no problem with giving Uhura/Saldana more screen time, but definitely not at the cost of fragmenting the story that's being told. If the writers thought that McCoy fit better for certain scenes because they wanted to highlight the Kirk-Bones relationship or the Bones-Spock antagonism, or because someone needed medical attention and a doctor was necessary, then I don't see what the issue is in utilizing McCoy.

Incidentally, Karl Urban (McCoy) has third billing over Zoe Saldana (Uhura) with fourth billing. So, if anything, maybe Karl Urban was a little upset at getting less time in the first 2 films? Something to consider.
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Wed, May 31, 2017, 4:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

"Like you said, most of characters are guys so the balance is already nonexistent"

The writers are just trying to tell a story, they aren't trying to fulfill an affirmative action quotient. That's not to say that I'm against a more inclusive Trek, but I also don't think writers should be constricted to follow some sort of social justice agenda to appease fans. Following that agenda usually doesn't always work out. For example, I haven't heard anyone say how great it was to finally make Sulu openly gay in this movie. It's because there's a difference between organically addressing diversity through storytelling and throwing in diversity for diversity's sake.

As for your points about how the big three characters having changed in the reboot, I agree, but I think the core dynamic is still there, and it's still important. At least part of the magic of retelling a TOS story is you get to have TOS characters doing things in the TOS formula. If the core traits of characters get changed too much, the value in even using the TOS story is lost.

Still, there's still a place for more Uhura, and maybe more Jaylah! I think there's a lot of ways to challenge Kirk, Spock, and McCoy as characters without removing what made them great.
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Wed, May 31, 2017, 12:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

@damyen

Being a fan of both new Trek movies and the old Trek movies, I'm sympathetic to your position. I also thought Saldana was well-casted, and I miss not having more of her in Beyond.

That said, I see no reason to take up such an aggressive tone with Jason R. here. He simply doesn't like most anything that came out of the new movies, including Saldana's Uhura. So, why not live and let live on that.

As for Uhura being pushed aside for McCoy? Well, McCoy is one of the big three of TOS. McCoy is not a supporting character like Chekov or Sulu; his views are a central part of a Star Trek Aesop. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy represent the three methods of persuasion, ethos, logos, and pathos respectively. For example, whenever Spock stated a situation with cold logic, McCoy would give a more humanistic and compassionate take on the same situation, and then of course it was up to Kirk to bring things all together and decide using his charismatic style.

I think Uhura has always been of great support to the big three of TOS. And yes, she did have a more assertive role in ST: 2009 and ST: ID compared to Beyond. But that's just because of what the story called for. As others have noted, Uhura did the best she could as a *communications officer*. But, on the same token, it would be hard too imagine how a story with a marooned Enterprise that survived great losses would not put McCoy, a doctor (Jim!), in a prominent role.

So, let's try to keep things in perspective. New writers are coming on board for the fourth film and it sounds like they're going off in an experimental direction. This new movie franchise could still surprise us all with how it handles to regular crew.
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Mon, May 29, 2017, 9:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

@Lupe

I would say "ST: First Contact" and to a lesser extent DS9's "Past Tense" do try to answer the question of how humanity overcame economic class conflicts. Also, and someone correct if I'm wrong, I think an intergalactic economy still exists in Star Trek as the officers and civilians have varying degrees of wealth. Then you'll see things like officers betting replicator rations and holosuite time, so there's obviously some remaining scarcity. Which leads me to...

"what anyone's motivation is for Poker Night in TNG?"

I'm sure they could wager shift time or services instead. Didn't Troi famously win a Samarian Sunset from Data over a wager? But even if there weren't physical stakes, poker is a game that can be played just for sport. Certainly bragging rights are at stake in TNG's poker.
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Mon, May 29, 2017, 6:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

I know I'm still trying to forget Nemesis.
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Fri, May 26, 2017, 10:50pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace

@RandomThoughts

Anakin (as Vader) also destroys the emperor, so the prophecy was read correctly. It was just an incredibly rough journey. I agree it's funny, though, that this movie never explains what the Jedi expected to gain through Anakin that they didn't already have.
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Mon, May 22, 2017, 8:47am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Afterimage

@Gooz

"And Ezri's comment to Bashir. Really? It would have been Bashir?"

Maybe Ezri's projecting her own feelings onto Jadzia. At least, I think this was the writers' attempt to foreshadow the Ezri-Bashir ship. Though, in all fairness, seasons 1 - 3 did tease a Jadzia-Bashir romance quite a bit.
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Fri, May 19, 2017, 2:35pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Devil's Due

@Steven

It's interesting that you didn't like Marta Dubois' work here but, although it's your lead-in, you never explain why. Where did the actress underperform? What actress do you think could've played this part better? Or is that you just don't like the character of Ardra and aren't really taking performances into consideration?
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Wed, May 17, 2017, 1:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

I get it. It's just not a good analogy. B&R was financially successful while critically panned while Beyond was critically successful but only somewhat profitable.

In any case, we agree it's a little premature to guess what the fourth movie will bring, which makes Jason's statements sound grossly uninformed.
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