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Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 4:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

@Peter G.

I think you got things a little mixed up there. There weren't homegrown terrorists in this episode, but *foreign terrorists* (the shapeshifters). The other allegory is a military authority using wartime authority to seize too much power (eg. Truman, McCarthy, the NSA).

The former threat isn't the focus in this episode, but the latter is.
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Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 3:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

@Robert

"They will work on it, continue to study the results from testing Odo and continue to live their lives in a way that doesn't let the terrorists win. I thought all this was obvious and didn't need to be spelled out."

That's a good interpretation that you added to the story, but it's anything but obvious. The final scene where Odo protests that nothing was really done to prevent his people from hurting Starfleet was only answered by Sisko saying like "well they need to hit us first, because we won't do their work for them." That sounds a little too laid back coming from a naval officer.

I think Peter's right in the sense that the episode is black-and-white about national security. "No restriction of freedom is tolerable, even for security" was the message of the show. A surprisingly one-sided way to end a DS9 episode, at least.
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Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 12:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

"the idea that 'we refuse to lose any freedom to increase security' is a strawman reading of the episode...Sisko chooses to side with freedom over fascism."

Since we're mentioning strawmen, it's important to note that "fascism" is the strawman the episode itself it presenting. There's always a middle ground, and a one-liner at the end like "the Federation has created a new task force to investigate the Dominion bombings using the data we found on our trip" could've lent a little more credibility to what is otherwise a good episode.
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Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 11:35am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

It's that the actual threat of Changelings wasn't addressed in the episode even though the threat was real. This isn't Scooby-Doo where they pull the mask off a Changeling's head and it's really Admiral Leyton scaring everyone the whole time.

The Changelings did set off a bomb, didn't they? The episode never addresses how Starfleet will try to prevent that from happening again. According to the writers, it's not worth losing any personal freedom for security, even if it puts millions of lives at risk.
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Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 10:35am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Loss

Totally, Robert, that's why all the Ezri Dax episodes are awesome!!1one
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Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 3:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Threshold

@Zakalwe

I read your comment, it's a very brief one after all. You're saying that an episode deserves credit for being entertaining despite it being utter tripe. I get that, a lot of people like Jerry Springer for the same reason. Jerry Springer-like debauchery has its place, but not in my Trek. No thanks!

I do agree this isn't the worst show Trek's done, though. :)
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Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 3:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

@William B

That's an interesting point, and I agree TWOK is arguably one of the most famous Trek elements known in mainstream culture. Nevertheless, I don't think I was reminded of Khan in this episode until the admiral name dropped him. I suppose, at least in my mind, there's a huge difference between curing an ailing child of mental deficiencies with genetics and creating a super human military tactician. The connection isn't immediately obvious.
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Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 1:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: Doctor Bashir, I Presume

@Caedus

That's a great point, I really wish they had laid out why genetic engineering was bad before Bashir went all doomsday on his career. I think the problem was, like I mentioned before, the Picardo plot was originally the A-plot of the episode. Later, it was decided that Bashir needed to have a horrible secret because the comedy material from A-Plot didn't fill a whole show.

I think the secret did in fact make Bashir's character more interesting, but the writers didn't really consider the implications of genetic engineering itself until later shows. In fact, you could give Bashir pretty much any family skeleton in the closet here and this episode would play out the same.
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Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 12:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

I do want to add that I think Peter is right in saying that "The Adversary" is really the big setup for general changeling infiltration in the Alpha Quadrant, which is directly referenced later in "Apocalypse Rising" and "By Inferno's Light", as "The Adversary" setup the the recurrence of changeling infiltrators.
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Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 12:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

@Peter

I think the issue people are having is that *Starfleet Headquarters*, the place where Presidents and admirals give major decisions, is being infiltrated. That's the big grab for the two-parter. From that setup, the logical consequence is not a random lieutenant a year later. Which leads me to believe that this episode was written without Bashir's replacement in mind. In that sense, DLPB is right, the message about this episode is more focused on letting fear and paranoia do more damage to the Federation than any actual infiltration.

Whether this ties in later in S5's "By Inferno's Light" is certainly something you could interpret into the story on a second viewing of the series. But the fact remains no direct link or reference is made by the writers. I.e., this episode isn't really a clear setup Season 5's two-parter.
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Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 8:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Paradise Lost

For the sake of this argument, do we consider Bashir a high-ranked officer? I'd say no, at least as far as lieutenants are treated in Star Trek.
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Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 3:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: The Enemy

"Clearly Picard would have had to order Worf to donate his cells to the dying Romulan. That would have been the decent thing to do as it releases Worf from the agonising decision and it might have avoided a war."

What's decent about it? Picard would basically be betraying a friend's rights in order to save an enemy trespasser. What good is Starfleet if it can't even protect its own people's rights from the threats of its enemies?
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Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 1:17pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Chase

@Peter G.

Well, the problem with progenitors still existing but as shapeshifters, is this line:

Humanoid: Our civilisation thrived for ages, but what is the life of one race, compared to the vast stretches of cosmic time? We knew that one day we would be gone, that nothing of us would survive.

So I'm happy to think that the original people who came up with the idea for spreading their DNA around are long gone, and the spreading was the only way a part of them could live on. There's something poetic about it, reminding me what Sung says about his reason for creating Data in "Brothers".

But let's say there's a group who didn't like the DNA legacy solution and decided to manipulate their genes? Those could be the Founders. Just a theory, anyway. :)
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Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 10:19am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Threshold

I agree with DLPB here, I mean a train wreck has some shock value, but that doesn't mean we should praise train wrecks.
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Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 10:17am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: Yesterday's Enterprise

@Eric Stillwell

If that's you, I echo Peter's sentiments, and as this is some of the best Star Trek, resting in what's often regarded as the best season of TNG. I think the only reason we get so many nitpicks is that it's hard to sharply criticize what is genuinely a great episode.
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Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 4:36pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Chase

@Peter G.

I don't really see why both what I said and what you said can't be true. In any event, one vision is a skewed version of the other, just as DS9 often shows a darker side to TNG's ideals.
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Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 12:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: The Chase

@Murphy

Nice observation, though I think that TNG's portrayal of the ancient humanoids as altruistic progenitors doesn't mesh well with the Founders' image. It would be cool if the Founders were renegades or isolates who chose to break off from the ancients, which would explain the different philosophies towards "solids" between the two peoples.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2017, 1:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Crossover

I loved Mirror shows when I was young because it was a nice chance to see the characters branch out a little and do completely different things. I still think they're okay, even "The Emperor's New Cloak" has its moments in terms of actually progressing the MU's story of Terran independence.

"Resurrection" actually falls flat for me because it doesn't feel like a Mirror show, but more like a postmortem of Kira and Bareil's relationship. And Bareil is just too vanilla to carry an entire episode of late DS9. I'll take Shakaar over Bareil any day.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2017, 10:57am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: Cause and Effect

@Zortron

Nothing suggests the Bozeman was stuck in the timeloop any longer than the Enterprise. Besides which, they're time traveling from a different era a la "Yesterday's Enterprise", so the time they spent looping is irrelevant.
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Wed, Aug 2, 2017, 12:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Devil's Due

@Rahul

I agree with some parts of your review, but this sticks out:

"Anyhow, the premise is interesting: that of an interstellar con game; however, the silliness from Ardra toward Picard, not getting a showdown between her ship and the Enterprise tells me "Devil's Due" is a wasted opportunity."

How would a showdown between Ardra's ship and the Enterprise play out? Ardra can only mislead people, she breaks down when directly confronted. That's antithetical to a conman scenario.
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Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 12:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Paradise

Sorry, "appeal to people".
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Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 12:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Paradise

@grumpy_otter

See, that's the thing, the "simple" life can appeal to be at different levels. I may use a smartphone regularly and enjoy the hell out of it, but I also like to grow my own vegetables and cook my own food. Admittedly, I live know where near Amish communities like in Ohio, but I've never met anyone who doesn't enjoy technology to one level, but disdain it to an other.

Alixus's vision is wrong, though. She welcomes only technologies that keep her in power and shuns others as evil sorcery. I imagine there's a laundry list of evil dictators who work on the same philosophy, so I like the way this episode works to expose the weakness, even if the conclusion is a little sad.
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Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 11:56am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: The Wire

@Startrekwatcher

Yeah, well it's definitely low budget and could be considered a bottle episode. The one thing I will point out is that we never really know exactly what we learned from Garak in this episode, but it nevertheless brings out a ton of interesting stories in the series (eg. "Improbable Cause"). Your enjoyment will depend heavily on your opinion of Robinson's performance, but for what it's worth I consider this a great break-out episode for the man.
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Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 5:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S4: Homefront

"It's pretty well done here although a bit scattered at times like when Nog bugs Sisko to talk about this "Red Squad" (which gets fleshed out more in the 2nd part). "

I don't see how this makes the episode scattered. The writers clearly wanted you to watch both parts 1 and 2 so naturally there's setups in part 1 which leads to payoffs in part 2. I would think of it more like a 1.5 hour movie, with a clear moment where you can stop and take a break.
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Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 10:06am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Rascals

@Flux

Not really, considering they can replicate clothing and do so in the holodeck all the time.
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