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Nicholas Ryan
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 4:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Before and After

As far as Kes quickly growing her hair they've established in Trek episodes that it's possible to stimulate hair follicle growth for just that purpose. Baldness is no doubt cured as well, but Roddenberry didn't think people would care in the 24th century.
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Nicholas Ryan
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 4:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Rise

"By the way, I'm not even going to begin on the plausibility of a "300-kilometer pole in the ground extending into space." No comment here at all."

Hasn't modern scientists established that this is completely feasible? They call it a space elevator.
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Joey Lock
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Past Prologue

This episode was a fairly strong second episode which is exactly what you need in a new series, an amazing pilot but crappy 2nd or 3rd episodes won't get you anywhere.

The actors are begining to unravel slightly in this one, Kira's patriotism and stubbornness is beginning to show, Odo's want for law and order and not being too happy with change, Garaks analytical nature etc

I also noticed in the scene where Odo and Sisko discuss in his office, they're standing extremely close to one another, almost face to face, it just seemed a little odd, almost as if they were gonna kiss despite having a whole large office to stand in.
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NCC-1701-Z
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Chain of Command, Part II

Del Duio: I endorse that suggestion. At the very least it would have been hilarious.
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eddie
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 1:52pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S5: The Begotten

Don't have much more new to add. But didn't see anyone comment on the fact that Quark sold Odo a sentient being. Dr. Mora should have had them both arrested for it and take custody of the changeling child.
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magwitch
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 1:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Conscience of the King

It's like when they tracked down nazis after the second world war
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Odyssey47
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 12:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: False Profits

"All these Ferengi do all day is sit around and con the citizens out of their money. Would a real society accept this, even from their supposed gods?"

Our society does. Collection plates, tithing, to say nothing of televangelists. And these people aren't even gods.
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Del_Duio
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 10:34am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Chain of Command, Part II

Picard's first action back on board the Enterprise should've been to aim that sucker at Madred's compund and say:

"THERE ARE FOUR PHOTON TORPEDOES!!!!"

*Shreeeew! Shreeeew! Shreeeew! Shreeeew! *
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Del_Duio
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 10:28am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Relics

"I was out piloting STARSHIPS while your great grandfather was IN DIAPERS!"
"You didn't tell him how long IT'D REALLY TAKE??!"

Hahahaha...
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Del_Duio
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 10:25am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Time's Arrow, Part II

Oh no way! I love that guy's voice lol.

I still routinely do an impression of him for fun:
"Madam GUINAN!"
"I belong in YOUR TIME as much as YOU belong in MINE!"
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Chrome
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 9:50am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

The Franklin runs on refined Mako materia courtesy of Shinra Industries, Inc.

Plothole solved.
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Robert
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 9:38am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Sorry, MACO. This is Star Trek, not FF7.
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Robert
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 9:38am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

@Paul M. - My biggest issue with it is that in S3 they made it seem like Archer's Enterprise was the ONLY ship they could send against the Xindi. And that if they failed Earth was going to be destroyed. To the point that they jacked somebody's warp drive.

If there was a Warp 4 ship right behind them the whole way it would have made the season less exciting, but if that Mako ship existed I sure as hell would have sent them as backup!!!
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Paul M.
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 8:52am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Yanks,

And then they made a massive warp breakthrough years before Starfleet, commissioned their own superfast revolutionary ship... and were forgotten by history in a couple of years. Nah! :)
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Yanks
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 7:51am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Lifesigns

George Monet,

I don't agree at all.

"Saying that there are healthy Vidiians who look down on the diseased Vidiians and treat them as second class citizens tells us that the diseased Vidiians make up a minority of the total population"

Just not true. That action in no way reflects numbers here. For all we know, and it makes more sense, the few adults that don't get sick are the ones that remain in power.

"suggests that there were not other Vidiians in her neighborhood who were diseased like her. Thus the we can assume that the disease is no more of a threat to the Vidiian people than any other disease is to us. Some may be injured but the majority of people are not under threat. That explains why the Vidiians only ostracize the diseased instead of quarantining and killing them."

You are defining what it means to "assume".

"The only real problem the Vidiians have apparently is a refusal to quarantine and kill the few Vidiians who actually get the Phage"

lol ... good thing we didn't do that to the HIV folks, or any other number of diseases/genetic disorders...

The only "Revelation" in this episode is that we now know the entire Vidiian population isn't infected. Vidiian's are far superior to us in medical science so it's safe to deduce that they have "taken samples from those not infected". Eeeesh, that would be the first thing WE would do.

We do know that this disease has affected them for a long time. Leaving those that aren't infected in power seems very plausible.
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George Monet
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 1:06am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Lifesigns

This episode completely ruins the Vidiian story. According to prior episodes, all Vidiians were facing this sickness so the race as a whole was facing extinction unless they continued to harvest organs. But if we take the information in this episode as true, then the Vidiians are for the most part completely free of the Phage and only a small number of Vidiians are actually affected by the Phage. This removes all moral justification for the Vidiians allowing them to take organs in order to keep their species from dying off as most of the Vidiians are fairly healthy and the race as a whole is not facing extinction.

The only real problem the Vidiians have apparently is a refusal to quarantine and kill the few Vidiians who actually get the Phage according to this episode. It makes absolutely no sense for the entirety of Vidiian culture for the last several hundred years to base itself around the effects of a disease that only affects a few Vidiians. This would be like us basing our entire culture around AIDS even though it only affects a small percent of the population and we could rid ourselves of it if we were truly concerned simply by quarantining and killing those with the disease.

Saying that there are healthy Vidiians who look down on the diseased Vidiians and treat them as second class citizens tells us that the diseased Vidiians make up a minority of the total population, especially the way that she described how she was ostracized by all her peers and did not have any friends. One would think that if the disease was so common then she would have been able to make friends easily with other diseased Vidiians who were also being shunned for the same reason. The fact that she describes a lonely life suggests that there were not other Vidiians in her neighborhood who were diseased like her. Thus the we can assume that the disease is no more of a threat to the Vidiian people than any other disease is to us. Some may be injured but the majority of people are not under threat. That explains why the Vidiians only ostracize the diseased instead of quarantining and killing them.

If we want to look at the larger implications, then we really have to ask why the Vidiians don't clue healthy tissue from those Vidiians who aren't diseased. At least we now know how the species continues to reproduce, most Vidiians don't have the disease so go through their entire lives completely unaffected by it. This disease is not a huge issue and Vidiian society would not be structured around the disease. Thus those Vidiians who do harvest organs only harvest organs from unwilling subjects because they like to kill people and not because they have to. Maybe the should talk to Souter, they'd probably get along famously and maybe he could talk them out of killing more people.
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Peter G.
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 10:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Prototype

"Voyager takes place several hundred years in the future inside a galaxy with hundreds of different species on thousands of different planets, all doing AI assisted scientific research. That is why it is impossible. Plus, even if we don't have a sample of a new element, we can still postulate as to the element's properties. In several hundred years we will not only be able to postulate but to know with a fairly high degree of certainty what the properties of only hypothetical elements will be. That is why it is impossible for Belana to see a polymer created using elements she has never heard of."

Yes - but. You are thinking of regular elements that consist of stacking together more protons, neutrons and electrons. Sure, maybe in 300 years we could conclusively assess all the possibilities there. But what about stacking together other particles into coherent elements? What about other types of space, like subspace? Apparently subspace has its own set of principles, and even has resident beings who live there. Does 24th century starfleet really know much about subspace at all, or what sorts of particles can exist there? They didn't even know warp drive damaged it, so we can imagine they've barely scratched the surface of understanding that, which in turn (since we assume subspace is a substrate of regular space) means understanding of space itself, being interrelation with subspace, is also incomplete. And then we get into other weirdo 'dimensions', like fluidic space and who knows what else. B'elanna never said what kind of element it was or where it might have come from. Maybe this species pilfered it from some extra-dimensional or advanced race that had access to it. My point is - who knows. I'm totally on your side to nitpick stupidities that take the place of actual plotting, but of all the nitpicks in the series to go after this one seems to me a little narrow.

"But all that aside, this episode just didn't work because these were robots, not people."

Yep, I'm with you on your general objection, the above nitpick-pick aside.
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George Monet
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 8:26pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Prototype

"Why is that? New synthetic elements are being created/discovered all the time, some of which can only exist for a fraction of a second. Maybe there are some really advanced stable ones, who knows. It's not impossible. The odds that such heavy elements would be naturally occurring would seem to us to be astronomically low, but impossible goes too far since we know about zip about physics compared with what we don't know."

Yes, new synthetic elements to us in the 21st century. Voyager takes place in the 24th century. We in the 21st are only scratching the surface having just gained the ability to smash nuclei together fairly recently. Voyager takes place several hundred years in the future inside a galaxy with hundreds of different species on thousands of different planets, all doing AI assisted scientific research. That is why it is impossible. Plus, even if we don't have a sample of a new element, we can still postulate as to the element's properties. In several hundred years we will not only be able to postulate but to know with a fairly high degree of certainty what the properties of only hypothetical elements will be. That is why it is impossible for Belana to see a polymer created using elements she has never heard of. Because by that point in time, there won't be any elements left that those in Starfleet don't know of either because all of the plausible elements will have been synthesized or hypothesized. The Federation even knows about the existence of the Omega atom, something that the builders of these robots probably did not know about since they did not use Omega as an energy source. This means that in terms of scientific achievement in materials science, Starfleet has outpaced the Builders so it is really impossible for the robots to use elements that Starfleet doesn't know about.

Considering that the technology of the robots wasn't even that sophisticated, it is also impossible that the Builders were more technologically advanced to such a degree.

But all that aside, this episode just didn't work because these were robots, not people. They were built by people to perform a task so they aren't a new species. They are just computers running code written by an actual living species, nothing more. So every time the robots or Belana complained about the robots dying out, all I could say to the tv was "So what!?" These are robots, not people. They weren't even sentient robots considering the fact that all of their actions were explicitly stated to be directed solely by the programming they received from the Builders. If anything, Voyager should have hastened the destruction of all these defective machines in order to protect the actual people in the area.
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Aaron
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 7:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: Qpid

I'd give it 1 1/2 stars for the two good Worf moments and Data getting shot by Troi's arrow.

Perhaps it's because I sped the playback up to get through it, but the pacing seems off. Plus, that's a pretty weak-assed archeological conference if you ask me. For a being who's supposedly all powerful you'd think he'd know already of Vash's self serving and duplicitous nature. I'd like to think he was really testing her and the whole Robin Hood cosplay was simply a ruse.
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Aaron
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 7:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S4: The Nth Degree

I am curious as to how the obvious conservative utopia that is the Star Trek universe will come about? Perhaps you all can share your manifestos with us who sadly lack the chemical imbalance for us to grasp its complexities.
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Yanks
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 7:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Robert, et all,

The Franklin was a MACO ship, not a deep space vessel. It was only given it's star fleet registry number when it was called upon for the Earth/Romulan War. Star Fleet and the military are two different organizations. It's NOT beyond reason that the military were developing their version of the warp engine. It makes sense that the military developed a ship that could be used to defend Earth while not venturing into deep space for exploration like the NX-01.

No problem fitting the Franklin into canon.
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Dougie
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 7:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Scientific Method

The aliens have problems on their home world such that experimenting on alien species makes sense? While DNA may be ubiquitous through out the heavens, it seems forced at best that the anatomies from a different quadrant are similar enough that such testing would be valid. Test earth animals for the sake of earth humans -- makes some sense. But if we discover microbes on Omicron Persei 8, will they really be like us? Especially when living in sulphur springs?

This goes back to the universal translator issue ... Which also alters lip movement to sync with English words. These writers couldn't write themselves out of a wet paper bag.

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Red Tim
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 5:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Macrocosm

Normally, the technobabble on Star Trek doesn't annoy me, but whoever was the science consultant in this episode needs locking up (in that hideous day-glo club Tropicana holoprogramme Neelix seems to like so much). If you want to destroy a virus, you use an antiviral. Not an antigen - that's only any use if there's an immune system around to detect it. It's pretty obvious really - "anti" "viral" - clue's in the name. And what the actual flip was the life cycle of those things? Virus infects host, host spawns little flies, flies grow into massive CGI things, CGI things infect more hosts... where did the original virus come from? The normal virus, not the massive ones - I think those miners would have noticed if they'd been attacked by massive flying things like pyramid teabags with tentacles.

And let's not even get into the whole issue of conservation of mass, or the ridiculous idea of a virus absorbing a hormone. Or how rubbish Voyager's quarantine protocols are - they can detect alien viruses during transport buy they don't automatically kill them?! Or how a virus moves from the transporter buffer to A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PART OF THE SHIP (I thought stuff in the buffer was dematerialised, but apparently not). Or how, apparently, a bio-containment field doesn't actually, you know, contain biological organisms.

So, yeah - very silly episode. Captain Janeway is not Ellen Ripley. An "antigen" does not create a massive green fireball. A phaser rifle has no recoil, so doesn't need bracing against the shoulder. And none of those things would matter if the script kept up the tension, but it doesn't, so you end up noticing all the stupid little things that are wrong. And that's where this episode fails.
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Jim
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 3:34pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Man Trap

The plot hole that bothered me the most was the fact that the salt vampire was not a shapeshifter; it got into people's heads and made them see what they wanted to see. That's why it could appear to Kirk, McCoy, and the crewman as three different women at the same time (old Nancy, young Nancy and the "pleasure planet" woman).

Since it was not a shapeshifter, ship's sensors or a tricorder would have read it as an alien, not a human, so they should have noticed when they beamed it up. Also, if anyone was looking through the ship via viewscreen, the creature would have appeared as itself. I guess this early in the series they hadn't thought it through or established what the technology could and couldn't do.
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William B
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 3:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S3: Booby Trap

I've thought that pun was intentional for a while, too. :) (I thought about it after I first posted about this episode, and never quite wanted to come back just to talk about how Geordi gets trapped by holographic boobies, until now.)
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