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Chrome
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:30pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

Kira's temper flaring up and going on a half-cocked vigilante mission is completely consistent with her character. Actually, I always admired how relatively restrained Kira was as her friends were killed off one by one. If this were Season 1 Kira (or maybe just non-pregnant Kira), I'm sure she would've gone hunting for the assassin much sooner.

Now one may not like Kira's character because of her fiery temper, but do keep in mind this character flaw was given *intentionally* by the writers to show how much the Cardassian Occupation wounded her. Ensign Ro, the character upon which Kira based on, basically had the same flaw, one you can very much see in her TNG outings.
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N
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

Peter - precisely, thank you.

Jason - a commenter basically comes out and says 'I wish the assassin had killed the pregnant woman', an extreme and unpleasant reaction to this episode by any count, yet I'm the one who's "bigoted" for calling this misogyny? Without the killing comment, if he'd left it at just the "irrational" and "could never control her emotions" comments, I'd have said sexism. But combining the irrational/overemotional comments with the comment saying the episode would have been better if the assassin had killed her upgrades it to misogyny in my book, if you're insistent on playing this semantic game with me.
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Jason R.
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:08pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

Peter, since the poster went on to employ similar language to describe Nog, a male character, I think it more likely that it's just his style to make excessive comments about characters he doesn't like, as opposed to singling out female characters for abuse. If you have evidence that this poster has a pattern of denigrating female characters then that may change things.

Incidentally, I didn't claim the comments were not sexist, but in my view even the evidence for that is lacking, let alone for misogyny.
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Peter G.
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 11:56am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

@ Jason R.

Just to play devil's advocate, I think the argument N was trying to make isn't that disparaging Kira makes someone a misogynist in and of itself, nor was it that her particular faults are also the faults of all women. Rather I think the crux of the argument was to suggest that DLPB is using criteria for judging Kira in particular that are quintessentially patriarchal criteria whose employment is based less on objective virtue and more on 'virtues' traditionally held to be male traits, such as emotional control, cold reason, and so forth. By describing her in a negative light on the grounds that she possesses traits traditionally associated with females, one would be by inference perpetuating the sexist double standard of women being assessed based on criteria important to men. Or, put differently, "she's stupid because she doesn't act like a man."

I also think N was reacting to the hyperbole suggesting she should die for being so "stupid" in this sense, which I think is where what might have been a suggestion of sexism instead might suggest misogyny. "She should die for being so emotional" doesn't sound like merely a mistaken bias against one sex. Even if it's just a joke, it's still a misogyny joke.

I'm not taking sides in this, but I don't think you fairly characterized what N was trying to say.
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Saiber
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 11:41am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: A Night in Sickbay

Oh my goodness. This is the most awful episode of a Star Trek show I have ever seen. How on earth did this Archer get his rank of captain and commanding the first star ship in earth history to explore space and make first contact with other races? He is irrational, childish and irresponsible. Acting like a spoiled diva. Risking the life of his crew and his ship over his dog? Not to mention ruining contact and relationship with other races and cultures. The most incompetent captain ever command a ship and I am not talking about fictious science fiction shows. Even in our time such a captain of any ship would have been reliefed of command long time ago by his sub officers. Or would have faced a mutiny on board. The writers must had hated this show so much that they sabotaged it from the very first minute of this show. Very disappointing as this show had so much potential!
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methane
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 11:31am (UTC -6)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

According to CBS' statement a few days ago, it's starting production next week. They're just not fixing an official release date.
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Jason R.
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 11:25am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

"DLPB's specific dismissal of Kira as "irrational" and "could never control her emotions" (on top of "One thing could have saved this episode... Kira being killed by the assassin") is bathed in misogyny and uses the exact same tropes with which women have been delegitimized for decades/centuries - ie. They're emotional. They're irrational. "

Point one: you inferred that his comments pertaining to Kira must be indicative of an attitude against all women. In that inference you were engaging in motive speculation, a type of ad hominem attack. There is no such evidence that his views of Kirabcan be expanded to all women.

It is possible to think a female character is irrational and hysterical without believing all women are so.

Point two: even if someone genuinely thinks all women are irrational, this does not prove misogyny. Misogyny is defined as hatred of women, or a contempt of women so strong that it borders on hate.

Marc Lepine, the infamous Ecole Polytechnique shooter was probably a misogynist. The "nice guy" who can't get a date but rants and raves about the evils of "women today" and how they only want a-holes and not "nice guys" is probably a misogynist. The author of Malleus Maleficarum, the witch hunter's handbook, was probably a misogynist.

Your uncle Larry who thinks wonen are too emotional and are bad drivers isn't a misogynist - he's a sexist. Or if he is a misogynist, that prejudice is not what makes him so.

I find the word "sexism" adequate to describe garden variety male chauvinism and prejudice against women. I do not see any purpose in watering down and trivializing "misogyny" by applying the label to every prejudice aimed at women and supplanting the the well understood concept of sexism.

Moreover, claiming that someone is a misogynist is a very strong claim - like calling that person a bigot or a racist. You make such allegations, don't be surprised at the blowback.

Many people these days rail against "hate" and "vitriol" but seem blind to how their own choice of words feeds into this toxic cycle.
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Brandon Adams
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 10:47am (UTC -6)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

No date offered.

I think we're officially in development hell.

I figured out a while ago that all this "subscription lets us do graphic stuff we couldn't on networks!" and "sci-fi sucks on networks!" is really just studio-code for "we're going to have a gay character and he's going to be kissing men". I wonder if that was a source of conflict between the various parties.

But between them putting it behind a paywall and the Axanar studio, I can tell you I have no intention of supporting Discovery. Moonves is just putting forth a token doomed effort so he can go "See? Nobody wants it!" and dodge further criticism.
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JohnC
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 10:33am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: The Cloud

I too gave a virtual fist-bump to Neelix after his rant about Voyager constantly looking for trouble in every random nebula or whatever. I understand that they are still carrying out their exploratory mission, and I understand that they are looking for a way home, but it would be nice if there was at least some kind of risk-assessment protocol before they go wandering off opening every closed door in the Delta quadrant.

Very much agree with most of the last comment from Trek Fan. First, 3 "temporal anomaly" episodes. They finally turn away from that hackneyed plot contrivance -- right into "holodeck hijinks". -sigh-. I realize these concepts provide many opportunities for writers, but they already seem to be employed as a bit of a crutch. This was a very thin episode, saved only by some interesting interaction between the characters as they get to know each other. Janeway's obsession with coffee - I can relate. :)
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JohnC
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 10:22am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: Phage

I have to agree with some of the commenters - Janeway's going to let an organ-thief go scot-free after a violent assault that leaves the victim immobile for the rest of his life? Ummmm, no.

It seems Janeway is bound and determined to default to decisions that cause hardship to those she has charge of in favor of strangers to whom she owes no duty. First, she destroys the only means for the Voyager crew to get home. Neelix is one of the only two people on board who want to be on that ship at that place in time, and two episodes later she's ready to let two ghouls harvest his lungs and keep him in immobile isolation for the rest of his life. If I was Kes, I'd be watching my back to see how Janeway's going to try to sell me down the river.....

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DG54321
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 9:39am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S4: Living Witness

Only real nitpicks I had with this episode were the lack of communication with Starfleet, or even knowing they were in the Delta Quadrant 700 years later, and the ability to get the look and function of not only the ship but the specific tools needed to fix a tricorder, but not the story itself, correct.

After 7 centuries, it's inconceivable that Starfleet hadn't developed quantum slipstream or transwarp drive of their own (especially with Borg help, and they were testing such things during Voyager's time in the Delta Quadrant, 700 years earlier), and someone from Starfleet could have helped resolve the diplomatic fiasco that is their inaccurate portrayal of history. The only answer that makes any sense is that somehow, Starfleet and the Federation either don't exist any longer as a major power with the goals of exploration and diplomacy, either being wiped out, or becoming isolationist. We know that even in the 29th century, the Federation and Starfleet are very much intact.
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N
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 8:51am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

Well, the story of Nog is the story of growth, and how when you have a great writing team that cares about developing its characters (both supporting and regular) and recognizes when a young cast member is able and willing to handle more sophisticated material, a character that started life as a one-note sidekick can be developed and nurtured in a way that embodies and reflects the whole arc of the show. Nog's story is about the Federation's "soft power" and the attractiveness of its value framework to those from more restrictive societies - about how a simple act of intercultural communication and kindness (Jake befriending him and teaching him to read) can open up whole new horizons for someone and allow them to forge their own way and make a success of their life on their own terms, maturing and changing in the process, instead of being trapped by the expectations of a culture whose values aren't a good match for them. It's also, like Kira's arc, about coming to terms with trauma and being thrust into the unpleasant reality of conflict as a young person. But what do I know, maybe he's a "worthless pile of dung" and she's "grossly unrealistic"...
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Yanks
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 8:49am (UTC -6)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Our current cast:

Sonequa Martin-Green (Lieutenant Commander Rainsford)
Michelle Yeoh (Captain Georgiou of the U.S.S. Shenzhou)
Anthony Rapp (Lt. Stamets)
Doug Jones (Lt. Saru)
Chris Obi (T’Kuvma)
Shazad Latif (Kol)
Mary Chieffo (L’Rell)
James Frain (Sarak)

I've read a couple places where the series has been pushed to the right.... has anyone seen a date?
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Tanner
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 6:18am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: Call to Arms

Several comments:

Since Odo is a god to the Jem Hadar and the Vorta, can't he order them to leave?

The station's offenses seemed to be much more awesome in The Way of the Warrior - many more torpedoes were shot out much faster it seemed than here.

Why didn't a couple of runabouts help the Defiant lay the minefield?

Why are station personnel the only ones working on a way to mine the wormhole? You'd think a crack team on Vulcan and Earth would be assigned to it. Hell, they made a special team to communicate with Voyager.

After the Jem Hadar destroyed the Odyssey in an unprovoked attack 2 years ago, I'd think the Federation would have taken a more defensive posture this whole time.
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DLPB
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 4:46am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

Criticizing a character for being hot headed and unable to control themselves is hating women according to you?

LOL. Stay off the Kool Aid.

There have been many female characters I have praised over the years - and those are much better acted and scripted than Kira (Ripley, Susan Ivanova, Resistance Leader in B5 spring to mind every time) . Don't project your bigoted crap onto me, mind reader.

I don't like Kira because she is a grossly unrealistic character, poorly acted (probably because of the script/writers) and poorly scripted. It has nothing to do with her gender. I happen to also find Nog a worthless pile of dung too for much the same reasons. I dislike that character even more than Kira. Man hating now too?
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Cajun
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 2:29am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: Liaisons

The Worf scenes are awesome! The rest is boring drek. Thankfully, Netflix makes it very easy to skip boring stuff. Just hold my cursor over the bar until the little mini-image of Picard and Anna end, and Worf is back on screen. Click. Boom! A really awesome 20 minutes or so length Worf story. :-D
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 1:35am (UTC -6)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

They've already shelled out tons of $$$ into pre-production of this series, so I very much doubt they'll cancel it.

But you're right about one thing: It is obvious that CBS has no idea what they are doing. I also have the sinking feeling that the only reason they chose to do "Discovery" is the Axanar fiasco. You think it's a coincidence, that both shows are set at precisely the same time period? Nobody in their right minds would set a 2010's TV show in Star Trek's 2250's (Say what you will about "Enterprise", a 100+ year prequel makes much more sense than forcing yourself to choose between '60s asthetics and violating continuity in every episode).

So it isn't like CBS launched this project because they actually have a story to tell. It was a kneejerk reaction which they are now stuck with, and the end product will probably look that way too.

TL;DR: Series or no series, CBS is - indeed - screwing up the franchise and on the 50-year anniversary no less.






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Ken
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 8:58pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S3: Sins of the Father

@David.........perhaps that is exactly what the writers wanted.....to leave it seemingly unfinished, We would see later in TNG and on DS9 continuations from where this episode left off. Personally, I think it was a clever thing to do....left us all wondering WHEN the family honor would be restored and on DS9, that family honor is referred to in multiple episodes.
I give this 4 stars BTW
Tony Todd is GREAT in this episode!!!!
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Adam
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 8:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S5: A Matter of Time

I think the most important question is... where is the toilet on that guy's tiny ship?!
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NCC-1701-Z
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 7:46pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: What Are Little Girls Made Of?

This particular trope of Kirk convincing Ruk to destroy himself is what Jammer calls Kirk Outsmarts the Computer ;) It's a proud Trekkian tradition!
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NCC-1701-Z
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 7:44pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: The Pegasus

I have a feeling that Section 31 has a few ships with cloaking devices that no one knows about... ;)

Hey, it's what I would do if I were them!

(I remember hearing that the expanded universe novels say that the Pegasus experiment was sponsored by Section 31).
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Wes
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 7:13pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S7: The Pegasus

Enjoyed this episode but found the moral question of lying to Romulans pretty overshadowed by the incredible disadvantage not developing cloaking (phasing?) technology would be militarily. It doesn't seem the least bit realistic that the federation wouldn't develop this technology, or for that matter, that some of the best scientists in the alpha quadrant wouldn't already have a pretty good idea how cloaking works. Moreover, other technologies seems to be pretty commonly shared by the post-warp civilization powers.

One other thing---has anyone else noticed that most Starfleet admirals are complete idiots?
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Rahul
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 6:33pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S1: What Are Little Girls Made Of?

Not a great episode although very much classic Trek in that it poses philosophical questions about androids, eliminating negative emotions, and preserving humans forever through androids -- a true sci-fi episode with a mad scientist aiming to propagate androids to create utopia.
Majel Barrett does a great job acting as Chapel here -- showing her emotions for Korby, jealousy toward Andrea, concern for Kirk.
The story isn't very strong and it has its holes. How does Kirk submit to having an android duplicate of himself made? How does he choke Korby (an adroid) such that the latter is gasping for breath. And I'm never a big fan of episodes where the solution is Kirk convincing an android to destroy itself - funny how Ruk finally realizes what the "equation" was after Kirk talks him through it.
The ending is quite anticlimactic with Korby killing himself and Andrea. Did Kirk magically convince them that they don't need to preserve themselves anymore?
For me, 2/4 stars.
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N
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 5:55pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S5: The Darkness and the Light

Oh Jason, you lost me (or should have) at "The word mysoginist..." - but I'm gonna take you on anyway.

DLPB's specific dismissal of Kira as "irrational" and "could never control her emotions" (on top of "One thing could have saved this episode... Kira being killed by the assassin") is bathed in misogyny and uses the exact same tropes with which women have been delegitimized for decades/centuries - ie. They're emotional. They're irrational. Not like men. I didn't use the word misogynist because he criticized Kira's character - this is a site for criticism - but because of the way he did it and the extremity of it. Even the other commenters on this thread who disagreed with Kira's choices in this episode didn't wish her dead because of it.

As you can see, I consider my words very carefully and don't throw them around flippantly (apart from this one: gateau!) and that's why I chose the one I did. Dynamic male characters in Trek like Sisko or Kirk have made plenty of headstrong decisions in other episodes and aren't generally written off as emotional/irrational - on the contrary, they're lionized for it. Away from the darker corners of this forum, Kira is generally celebrated in much the same way. https://twitter.com/DS9Doc/status/808100294483578880
I find the specific amount of hatred Kira gets in this episode for being pregnant fascinating, and I wish more women commented on this site. When a terrified pregnant women is being targeted by a psychopathic assassin who's murdered her friends, a commenter wishing she'd been killed in the episode because 'she could never control her emotions' is pretty much the most repugnant, inhuman take on an involving and emotional hour of drama. If this had been a Garak show and he'd gone after an assassin who was closing in on him after having murdered his friends, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Garthok
Wed, Jan 18, 2017, 5:43pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Twisted

Am I the only one bugged by how the reviewer keeps referring to to the ship as "The Voyager". :P
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