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George Monet
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 1:37am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

Finally, I'm glad that Starfleet of the 29th century is just as lax about its security protocols as the Starfleet of the 25th century.

A timeship is going to blow itself up if it is forced to go back in time and becomes inoperable specifically to avoid making changes to the timeline. The ship would also have a lock that would prevent someone from opening the ship and gaining access to it in order to prevent unauthorized access to avoid changes to the timeline.

But this timeship has absolutely no security in place to prevent changes to the timeline. That is actually in character for the inept Voyager Starfleet where everyone and their mother can easily bypass Voyager's nonexistent security.
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George Monet
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 1:30am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

"On the Eugenics Wars; I think given that Khan was not American and he described himself as a "prince", the Eugenics Wars were mostly likely happening around the Middle East and probably wouldn't have affected day-to-day life in the west so much if indeed they were happening at this time. "

You need to read about the experiences of people who lived through World War 2. Even those who weren't on the front, the civilians, had their lives drastically altered both in Europe and in America in order to ensure that there was sufficient food and arms. The Eugenics Wars were supposed to be a world wide war, so there is no way that life would be business as usual.

There is actually an excellent series on Youtube showing how life in England was disrupted by World War 2, called War Time Farm. Indeed England would spend the next 20-30 years slowly dismantling the country wide command economy that resulted by necessity of addressing the shortages and need for greater military production caused by a world wide war. While life in the US was less disrupted, there was still rationing in some areas, women were being recruited to work in factories, there was a great deal of wartime propaganda, large disruptions to the economy from the large amount of soldiers removed from the economy and the conversion of many factories to produce weapons for war.
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George Monet
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 1:18am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part I

While I do love Star Trek when it goes back to our present day Earth, the setup for this episode was stupid beyond belief.

Braxton had records of Starfleet's history which would have proven that Voyager could not be involved and would have immediately told him that it was his own meddling which caused the problem. Instantly destroying the ship and crew also made no sense. He had all of time to work with in order to find a solution, he could have gone back 3 months and waited for Voyager, but no, he had to just blowup Voyager here and now. This was such a huge false dichotomy as he had way more options than blowup Voyager this very instant if he truly believed that Voyager was responsible despite the information in the logs he had access to in his computer which he never bothered accessing.

Maybe warning Voyager about not blowing up future Earth would have done the trick. Maybe bringing Voyager back to Earth would have saved Earth. Or forcing Voyager to land and settle on a planet. There was no reason why he had to blowup the ship at that moment and couldn't take time to think of other options.

We also have the problem that even with time travel, there has to be a first pass without interference from the future because the future has not happened yet. You can only have interference from the future after the first pass, which is after the moment has already occurred and is now the actual future. You can't go back to tomorrow until you first reach tomorrow because tomorrow doesn't exist yet.

This paradox in particular is impossible there is no way it ever could have started. Braxton only goes back because he went back, and he only went back because he went back. But what made him go back to that particular time during the first pass? Nothing, therefore he never went back. So Braxton never went back in time because he had no reason to go back in time so he never made the mistake that blewup Earth.

A time paradox is a result of creating a loop in time, where you go back to make a change in time, which prevents you from making a change, which creates the scenario that caused you to go back in the first place to make a change, resulting in you going back to make a change, which prevents you from going back to make a change, at infinitum.

But Braxton doesn't go back to a make a change, he goes back because of a change. That's why the setup doesn't work. Changes cannot happen by themselves, they must be imposed, but Braxton had no reason to go back and make a change. The thing that made Braxton go back only happened because Braxton went back. That is completely backwards.
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Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 1:17am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: In the Flesh

Ray Walsron was my favorite Martian but never jelled in any way as a Trek character. His acting is terrible. He has ruined every episode he's in.
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Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 12:44am (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: Space Seed

Christ how the hell did Mcgivers ever become a star fleet officer? I mean damn a giant Latino from a century ago shows up and a few hours later your literally willing to get on your knee's betray the ship and worship him!

Kirk beating Khan with that obvious plastic pipe was fucking hilarious. It's almost as funny as his fight with the Gorn.

2 Stars just for the funny fight scene choreography now enhanced with modern technology to let us see their stunt doubles.
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George Monet
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 12:43am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Sacred Ground

As to the way the episode ends, this felt incredibly out of character for Janeway. As I said above, the only reason why Janeway couldn't explain what was going on was because she lacked the technology needed to study it, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible and Janeway would not believe that it wasn't possible or that it was magic simply because she lacked the technology needed to study it. She would say, as a scientist, that they currently lack the ability to study what was occurring but believed that in the future humans would be able to understand even things like this.
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George Monet
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 12:36am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Sacred Ground

This episode didn't work for me. This is Star Trek, so magic doesn't exist. Therefore everything does have a scientific explanation. The only reason why Janeway failed to discover it is because she lacked the tools needed to do so. The constant attempts to say that science can't explain everything comes across as disengeneous and antithetic to Star Trek. The "spirits" are clearly just long lived energy beings, they don't belong to some nonexistent spirit realm. If they did, then every planet and race would have the same spirits and knowledge of the spirit realm. Since every species in the galaxy has its own religions and rituals, we can know for a fact that they are all fake. Our world has lots of religions and rituals because they are all fake. if there was a real religion then we would have only one religion and not many fake religions as the religion would be proveably true and would need to exist everywhere rather than in a single country or planet.

So to my mind the episode was constant at odds with the reality of the show. And that prattling little woman who is constantly trying to make Janeway feel small for looking for the scientific explanation got on my nerves because she was wrong. There is a scientific explanation, she was just too blinded by her faith to accept the reality. Or perhaps she knew that if they temple let science study the "religion" then it is the monks who would be the ones whose entire lives were "meaningless". That's why the monks don't like to talk to anyone about what occurs in the temple, because science would cast light on all the shadows that the temple is trying to sell as something more than hocus pocus. The energy beings annoyed me for the same reason. Just because they have better technology they conned the whole planet into believing they were some actual spirits. Starfleet has strict codes against that, and yet Janeway never points out Starfleet's superior morals compared to these con artist energy beings.

The only reason why the Munchkins believed the Wizard was a great and powerful sorceror is because they lacked the ability to study and understand the science the wizard was using. It was only Dorothy, who came from the same world as the Wizard, who was able to reveal the Wizard for the con man he was. The same is true here. I'm sure that Q would laugh at Janeway for believing these energy beings were really spirits.

And the whole meaningless ritual thing just fell flat even by itself. Why would they create this entire series of rituals and rooms and corridors if they were all pointless from the getgo? How would such a thing even come about? Wouldn't the first couple of people who made it through this house of mirrors tell everyone it was just smoke and mirrors the moment they finished? Or were they all just so embarrassed that they pretended something profound happened?
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Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 12:33am (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Schisms

Will have to disagree with the series ranking lists.

corrected it the following way :
-made a fixed list of 10 standard ship positions (captain, 1st officer, helm, operations, security, science, doctor, engineer, counceler, recreation)
-> I left out the position of communications and Ambasador, as few series have those.
-I added to this a list for each serie of 4 extra characters, 4 main enemy's/races, 1 special person and 1 main antagonist.
-for each of 5 series I tried to fill in each position the best and realistic possible.

That gave this :

Captain : Kirk
1st Officer : Number One
Chief Engineer : Scotty
Doctor : Bones
Security : Chekov
Helm : Sulu
Operations : Uhura
Science : Spock
Councelor : ?
Recreation : ?
Extra 1 : Janice
Extra 2 : Sarek
Extra 3 : Pike
Extra 4 : Chapel
Main Badguy : Khan
Enemy 1 : Klingons
Enemy 2 : Romulans
Enemy 3 : Computers (of various types)
Enemy 4 : ?
Interesting Person : god (at the center of the universe) /adonais

Captain : Picard
1st Officer : Riker
Chief Engineer : Geordi
Doctor : Crusher/Pulaski
Security : Tasha/Worf
Helm : Ro Laren
Operations : Data
Science : ?
Councelor : Deanna
Recreation : Guinan
Extra 1 : O'Brian
Extra 2 : Ogawa
Extra 3 : Lwaxana
Extra 4 : Barclay
Main Badguy : Lore
Enemy 1 : Borg
Enemy 2 : Romulans
Enemy 3 : Diplomacy (of various types)
Enemy 4 : ?
Interesting Person : Q

Captain : Janeway
1st Officer : chakotay
Chief Engineer : Torres
Doctor : The Doctor
Security : Tuvok
Helm : Paris
Operations : Kim
Science : Seven of 9
Councelor : ?
Recreation : Neelix
Extra 1 : Kes
Extra 2 : Icheb
Extra 3 : Seska
Extra 4 : Naomi
Main Badguy : Borg Queen
Enemy 1 : Kazon
Enemy 2 : Borg
Enemy 3 : Vidians
Enemy 4 : Species 8472
Interesting Person : The Caretaker

Captain : Sisko
1st Officer : Kira
Chief Engineer : ?
Doctor : Bashir
Security : Odo
Helm : Worf
Operations : O'Brian
Science : Jadzia
Councelor : Ezri
Recreation : Quark
Extra 1 : Weyoun
Extra 2 : Nog
Extra 3 : Gowron
Extra 4 : Jake
Main Badguy : Gul Dukat
Enemy 1 : Cardassians
Enemy 2 : Changelings
Enemy 3 : Vorta
Enemy 4 : Jem'Hadar
Interesting Person : The Profeths

Captain : Archer
1st Officer : ?
Chief Engineer : Trip
Doctor : Phlox
Security : Reed/Hayes
Helm : Mayweather
Operations : Sato
Science : T'Pol
Councelor : ?
Recreation : Chef
Extra 1 : Soval
Extra 2 : Degra
Extra 3 : Shran
Extra 4 : Silik
Main Badguy : Dolim
Enemy 1 : Xindi (5 races in 1)
Enemy 2 : Andorians
Enemy 3 : Sulliban
Enemy 4 : Sphere builders
Interesting Person : Daniels

Now I need to give points, Method 1 will rank characters per postion best-worse, and give the worse 1 point, the one above that 2, etc.

Captains : Picard < Janeway < Archer < Sisko < Kirk
1st Officer : Chakotay < Riker < Kira < Number one
Chief Engineer : Scotty < Trip < Geordi < Torres
Doctor : Doctor < Phlox < Bashir < Bones < Pulaski
Security : Odo < Tuvok < Reed < Worf(TNG) < Chekov
Helm : Paris < Worf(DS9) < Sulu < Mayweather < Ro
Operations : Data < O'Brian(DS9) < Kim < Sato < Uhura
Science : Spock < T'Pol < 7of9 < Jadzia
Councelor : Deanna < Ezri
Recreation Guinan < Quark < Nelix < Chef

based on these 10

VOY 30
DS9 25
TNG 23
STE 23
TOS 17

Meaning Voyager had the strongest "core crew" on average.

Now I will compensate for the quality of characters and add 0-5 points for each character

Captains : 5 Picard < 3 Janeway < 2 Archer < 2 Sisko < 1 Kirk
1st Officer : 3 Chakotay < 3 Riker < 2 Kira < 0 Number one
Chief Engineer : 5 Scotty < 2 Trip < 2 Geordi < 1 Torres
Doctor : 5 Doctor < 4 Phlox < 3 Bashir < 2 Bones < 1 Pulaski
Security : 4 Odo < 2 Tuvok < 2 Reed < 2 Worf(TNG) < 1 Chekov
Helm : 3 Paris < 3 Worf(DS9) < 1 Sulu < 1 Mayweather < 0 Ro
Operations : 5 Data < 4 O'Brian(DS9) < 1 Kim < 0 Sato < 0 Uhura
Science : 5 Spock < 3 T'Pol < 3 7of9 < 2 Jadzia
Councelor : 3 Deanna < 1 Ezri
Recreation 4 Guinan < 4 Quark < 3 Nelix < 0 Chef

With these corrected Numbers we get :

TNG 25
DS9 25
VOY 24
TOS 15
STE 14

So corrected for how much each character is apreciated, TNG, VOY and DS9 score even, but STE and TOS score a lot lower.

And now with the other 10 factors :

Now ranking the extra's and special people
Kes - Shran - Weyoun - O'brian(TNG) - Pike
Soval - Barclay - Gowron - Seska - Sarek
Silik - Lwaxana - Icheb - Jake - Janice
Nog - Degra - Naomi - Ogawa - Chapel
Gul Dukat < Borg Queen < Lore < Khan < Dolim
Borg(VOY) < Borg(TNG) < Xindi < Jem'Hadar < Klingons
Andorians < Cardassians < Diplomacy < Kazon < Computers
Sulliban < Vorta < Romulans (TNG) < Vidians < Romulans (TOS)
Changelings < Spiecies 8462 < Sphere builders
Q < Daniels < The Profeths < The caretaker < god

STE 37
DS9 34
TNG 30
VOY 30
TOS 10

here it is clear STE scores very well, what it lacks in it's core team, it makes up in interesting side characters, antagonists and storyarcs, TOS scores HORRIBLE in this regard.

Makes the total unbiasad score :

STE 60
VOY 60
DS9 59
TNG 53
TOS 27

All good, with STE and VOY as the best series, but TOS is utter crap.

And now the last 10 weighted for quality :

4 Kes - 4 Shran - 4 Weyoun - 2 O'brian(TNG) - 1 Pike
3 Soval - 2 Barclay - 2 Gowron - 1 Seska - 0 Sarek
3 Silik - 2 Lwaxana - 2 Icheb - 1 Jake - 0 Janice
2 Nog - 2 Degra - 1 Naomi - 0 Ogawa - 0 Chapel
4 Gul Dukat < 4 Borg Queen < 3 Lore < 3 Khan < 1 Dolim
4 Borg(VOY) < 4 Borg(TNG) < 3 Xindi < 2 Jem'Hadar < 1 Klingons
4 Andorians < 3 Cardassians < 2 Diplomacy < 2 Kazon < 0 Computers
3 Sulliban < 3 Vorta < 3 Romulans (TNG) < 2 Vidians < 1 Romulans (TOS)
3 Changelings < 2 Spiecies 8462 < 1 Sphere builders
5 Q < 3 Daniels < 1 The Profeths < 1 The caretaker < 0 god

That gives this outcome :

STE 27
DS9 25
TNG 23
VOY 23

Same order, but TOS sucks even more.

Now both weighted results together :
DS9 50
TNG 48
VOY 47
STE 41
TOS 21

Here DS9, TNG and VOY are clearly the best overal, with STE still good, but TOS utter crap.

-This is objectively ranked all.
If I give figures to how I Personally rank all series, it would be like :

TNG 50
STE 46
VOY 45
DS9 39
TOS 15

*so I seem to value DS9 a little lower than objective ranking would suggest, and STE a little higher.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 10:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S1: The Andorian Incident

I imagine the writer's wanted the big stone face to be so tall they couldn't see through the holes, and were surprised when it ended up being human-sized.

I've actually enjoyed re-watching the series so far. I think that's mostly because I haven't watched much of any Star Trek series besides DS9 in about a decade, so all the clich├ęs present in the 'exploring' episodes don't seem as stale to me right now.

Still, this is the first memorable episode. As Paul notes above, stories about the diplomacy of the early Federation were the strength of Enterprise.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 10:02pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Night

"Time to take out the garbage!"

LOL awesome, almost AHNULD-like.

Just watched 5 episodes back to back at random that I never saw before (Scorpion 1 & 2, Living Witness, Hope & Fear, and this one) and I gotta say I may have wrongly pegged Voyager as being piss because I've really enjoyed all of them.

The plot for this one reminded me a lot of a TNG episode for some reason, but hey that's not a bad thing.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 7:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Displaced

This was another entertaining illogical episode. One person gets replaced is confusing. Ten people get replaced I'm throwing aliens in the brig and there will be some major interrogation.
Paris and the half Klingon shoot the last shot out of their makeshift phaser. They have no way of knowing if they will run into any other guards yet they leave a working rifle with the guard they just killed. That's just stupid. (**)
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 7:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Distant Origin

Episodes like this and The Chase always make me smile. The fantasies of evolutionists are much like the doctor's family. Real life doesn't work like that.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 5:58pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Real Life

The half Klingon was far too much of a busy body here. The doctor was happy. Leave his family alone (*)
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Paul M.
Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 5:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S7: Thine Own Self

Yeah, I have no problem with Troi becoming commander. It's the bridge officer part that drives me up the wall every time I think about it (and with Beverly too). Doctors and psychologists don't just get to pass a single test and become freaking bridge officers, just like you can't pass a test and jump careers in the other direction. It takes 4 years at the Academy and a dozen more of field experience to get there. The notion that a person can achieve the same thing via a silly holodeck test is preposterous.

And yeah, I'm taking this way too seriously for my health! :)
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 5:14pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Before and After

If I cared about Kes even a little bit I might have liked this episode. Most of the characters on this show were simply not interesting. I like the doctor. Paris. and the half Klingon. The Vulcan and harry are watchable. Kes is just blah. Neelix is unfortunate. Janeway and Chockfullofnutskotay are unbearable.
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William B
Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 4:57pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S6: Second Chances

I agree with Peter on this. While I would have liked the show to be more explicit about Riker, me evaluating the past couple years of my own life make me see some rough similarities. Like, oddly enough, Wesley, Riker started with a very clear picture of what he wanted -- command -- and then at some point it sort of hit him that his desperate search for captaincy might not be as strong a drive anymore. Wesley came to the realization that Starfleet wasn't for him relatively early in life after floundering a bit. Riker was very driven and talented and was on a fast track, and dropped the possibility of a real connection with Troi for his career, but then...stopped. In particular, if we view Riker in terms of what he learned from his parents -- he wanted to best his father in his career and show that he could be a great strategist and success and be fully independent of the need for real guidance, and he wanted to form a series of relationships with women which are all by their nature fleeting and temporary in anticipation of their dying when he gets close ala mother -- then it makes sense that the Enterprise finally gave him a place where he could get close enough to a woman he loved without "committing" (and thus setting himself up for heartbreak) with Troi, and could find a mentor who also gives him lots of space to run things/be independent to allow him to "grow up" and also get approval from Picard. What he really wanted is the space to be able to grow up enough to be ready for command and for an actual adult relationship, and it seems like it isn't until the features that he gets there. I think that season seven does set him up for this okay -- dealing with the mutiny and his younger self in The Pegasus suggests some of why he was reluctant to take on his own command (at some point he must have started realizing something about his zeal was overriding his judgment) and the threat of Deanna actually seriously being with someone else let him realize that he wants to keep Troi close (and it's not fair to just expect her never to date). Riker's ambition and promiscuity do seem like overcompensation in retrospect; he does want his own command and a real relationship, when he's ready, but it takes until around BoBW for him to realize that he is stalling, perhaps deliberately because he knows he's *not* ready. Apparently substituting rapid career advancement and promiscuity for emotional connection didn't actually make him more fulfilled, and he has to start emotionally catching up for what most people would probably have already managed by Riker's age at the start of the series, *in place of* meteoric career advancement/bedpost notches. (The comparison to me is more on "career" end of things, not the promiscuity; I was a little like Wesley -- ahead of my peers scholastically and socially maladapted, until I realized I had lost a certain drive and was a bit of a jerk toward the end of my undergraduate days.)

Deanna -- well, I think that the Enterprise was simply always a great career move (and where is she going to get promoted to?), so careerwise she's not in the holding pattern he's in, and in fact she even takes greater career initiative within the series than he does (with the eventual improbable Thine Own Self promotion). And I think that she was probably pretty happy with Riker, relationship-wise. It's possible that observing her own mother's pushiness is part of why she had the level of patience to put up with Riker's kind of waffling on how serious their thing is as long as he did, subtly opting for "slightly more than friends" intimacy without being willing to go all in. (I love when she gets sarcastic with him about it. From The Loss: "Imzadi..." "OH PLEASE.") In fact it may be that she needed to get up the nerve to treat herself with more respect -- being a potential equal to him (in rank too!) and being willing to try dating, first with another actual Riker and then with Worf (even though it probably never would have worked), to implicitly let him know that the clock was ticking, for him to finally grow up. (The various men-of-the-week didn't seem that serious for the most part, and the ones who did -- like Ral -- turned out to be evil to various degrees so could be chalked up to her making stupid decisions rather than her being independent enough Riker would have to seriously risk losing her romantically.) I ignore most of Insurrection and Nemesis in my head but Riker/Troi getting together (and him taking a command) is something I think makes sense as an endpoint of that story and I'm happy enough with it.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 4:55pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Favorite Son

Ignore the silliness Jammer lol
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 4:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Favorite Son

fun romp if you ignore the silliness (**)
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 4:07pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Rise

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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 3:11pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S3: Darkling

this made no sense. The holodeck computer took over the holographic doctor and made him evil. really?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Some Guy
Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 2:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S2: Deadlock

Why isn't everyone freaked out that they all just died? Why is Harry so nonchalant at the end of the episode that his own dead body is floating outside the ship? Why isn't the Wildman mother not totally weirded out that someone just handed her an identical copy of the baby that just died in front of her? Why isn't Janeway affected by the fact that her whole crew just died, and ot could have been her "her" crew just as easily.

This episode shows the crew as cold hearted, and indifferent to the suffering and deaths of themselves. It's seriously freaky, yet the crew handles it with a kind of inhuman shrug of the shoulders.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 2:10pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: Dax

I couldn't agree more with Luke on this one I also agree with RT in regards to not yet being emotionally invested enough in the characters to really care what the outcome of the court case was.

I really truly don't understand all the praise the court case episodes of Star Trek get. I find them incredibly boring. One of the few positives to this particular court episode is that it was used as a vehicle for developing Dax as a character. Unfortunately at this stage in my viewing, I'm not convinced she's going to be a character I'll ever actually like or be particularly interested in.

So far Odo is my favourite DS9 character. I'm intrigued to see how he develops as the series progresses.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 1:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S2: Time Squared

I'm not sure this episode was deserving of a 3.5 rating - I think it's more like a 3. A much better episode along the same lines of "trying to alter a future outcome" was the one where the ship was stuck in a never ending loop (can't remember the name).

By the way, I find the early shuttle pods from the first few seasons to be ugly and very TOS-like in design. Considering what a gorgeous and sleek ship the Enterprise D is, the art department really let us down when it came to her shuttles. In the shuttle bay, the thing looks like it's made of cardboard - a real embarrassment.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 1:22pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Generations

Regarding Picard's children speaking with British accents, I didn't find this odd, because Picard himself speaks with such an accent. Therefore, wouldn't it make sense that his children speak the same? There are also other explanations, such as: 1) Wanting the best education for his kids, Picard may have sent them to top boarding schools in the UK (either that, or they went to some kind of international/Federation school) 2) The kids are actually speaking in French, and what we are hearing the universal translator, not the kid's real accents, 3) In the far future, it's possible that the English language has been embraced by the French to such a degree that it's almost, if not as popular as French itself. If you listen to some Swedish people today, many speak with American accents because they hear it on TV.

A few problems I had with the film - at the end, where they report that there were only "minimal" casualties to the Enterprise. Excuse me, but didn't the Klingon ship blow huge chunks out of the Enterprise's hull?? Each of those blasts would have killed dozens, with a total death toll probably in the hundreds. I don't call more than 10% of a ship's crew dying to be "minimal' by any means.

I found the "media circus" at the beginning to be very un-Trek and too 20th-century for my liking. Star Trek has always managed to avoid media, newspapers, and the like, because showing us how people get their news in the future isn't necessary, and leaves more to our imaginations.
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Tue, Aug 23, 2016, 11:38am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

"Everyone who watches this film takes away from it the same thing they take from watching an hour of CNN: Federation/UN/USA killed some people today, but its okay because they embodied bad values. "

In the Federation/Kirk's defense, he's shown trying to reason with Krall for several minutes in the film before resorting to violence. But Krall's methods are clearly the more violent of the two. And yes, sometimes you need to act violent to stop violent people. That's just self-defense.

As for the broad pro-West or whatever message you're throwing into this film, I say, well it's a film made in the West; you have to expect it to support Western values to *some* extent. Nevertheless, I think the director's INTENDED vision was trying to support global ideals of teamwork (I mean, the director's a Taiwanese migrant, for Pete's sake).
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