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Cajun
Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 11:44am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: It's Only a Paper Moon

Making Nog illiterate was always dumb, and I'm glad he was retconned smarter. It just doesn't fit what the Ferengi are about. If anything, they would be education obsessed, as the better educated make more money.

A smart Nog also has the side-effect of showing the positive elements of someone being an experienced negotiator. Much better than just using the Ferengi as strawmen.
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Cajun
Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 10:16am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: The Siege of AR-558

I tend to think the opposite: that genetic and computer singularities will make whatever exists 300 years from now psychologically unrecognizable to present humans.

The genre is full of improbable conceits. It may well be that we will never exceed lightspeed, for example. It might be just flat out impossible, even to beings millions of times more intelligent than we are. Conversely, genetic engineering has a good chance of absolutely exploding intelligence, as does advances in artificial intelligence.
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Cajun
Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 4:47am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: The Magnificent Ferengi

It does seem very strange that the Dominion would kidnap a Ferengi. Sure, the writers may be play them for laughs, but the Ferengi Alliance are still a species with warships that rival the Federation in technology, and lots and lots and lots of money. If nothing else, the Ferengi could do for the Federation, Romulans, and Klingons what America did for the English and Russians: pouring their enormous wealth and industrial capacity into aid. If the Dominion think making an enemy out of a people with that much money and industrial capacity would be a non-factor simply because the Ferengi are poor warriors on average, they are idiots.
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RandomThoughts
Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 12:59am (UTC -6)
Re: BSG S4: Blood on the Scales

Hello Everyone

Winding down my re-watch, and seeing them for the first time since they aired, has given me a slightly different perspective than I had the first time though, especially since I'm now seeing them a few a week, instead of having to wait.

When they posited the idea of upgrading the entire fleet with Cylon FTL technology, I don't know, it seemed sort of sudden to me. And a Very Big Deal. They had not been allies with the rebel Cylons for very long, but suddenly wanted to start a procedure that might take a bit of time, with Cylons visiting all the ships. And what if Cavil and Co. suddenly jumped in while they were working on some of them (I'd figure the FTL's would have to be offline)? Then I realized they wanted to do a mutiny on Galactica, but needed a reason to get folks all worked up (higher than just working with the rebels). Cylons on their ships working on the only thing that's really kept them alive, the FTL's, would do the trick.

Now they could have their mutiny. But it just didn't work for me. Oh, the execution of the shows was great, some of it was pulse-pounding, and I really enjoyed the episodes. But at the end of it, I'm wondering why they wanted to do a couple mutiny shows? It didn't seem to add anything in general, and did indeed feel a bit like filler (as was mentioned above). I thought perhaps they wanted to show that after finding Earth, things were on such a knife's edge anything could happen. But with so few shows left, it shouldn't have been this. With all the plots that needed to be wrapped up before the end, they then came up with a new plot that had to be resolved before they could move forward.

As an aside, I was watching Richard Hatch (RIP) very closely, and it seemed as if during some of his scenes, his face got really long, looking like he'd just bitten into a lemon. Then it occurred to me he possibly wasn't really liking his lines. He felt his character, if not a good guy, was at least somewhat good and/or positive sometimes. And when he was telling Gaeta how the winners write the history, it almost looked to me as if he was about to retch. Instead of playing him as at least a shade of grey, he now had to be a bad guy. I think that went against his grain a little, after reading what he thought of Zarek when all was said and done. This is just my perspective, and we can no longer ask him. Your mileage may vary. The only time I thought he looked "normal", was when he gave the half-smile to Gaeta at the very end...

I do rather miss this show, and I am so very glad the comments are still up for everything. I do hope they will be until the end of the web.

Enjoy the Day Everyone... RT
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methane
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 10:05pm (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: A Night in Sickbay

I feel the level of hatred for this episode is unjustified. I suppose I would give it 1.5 stars; there's some pretty idiotic things in the premise that keeps it from getting a passing grade, but there's enough good things that keeps it from being awful.

First, I'll acknowledge the bad stuff:
*Archer taking his dog along was certainly foolish
*Archer's Freudian slips are dumb
*I really don't need to see Phlox clipping his toe nails.

Some things in it's favor:
*I did enjoy the "day in the life of Phlox" part of the show. Phlox was shown as intelligent and perceptive while still eccentric. A good foil for the captain when he was saying stupid things. While I didn't really laugh out loud at the humor in sickbay, I found it mostly pleasant (toe nail clippings aside).
*The Freudian slips were dumb and the dream pointless, but Archer realizing that he has an attraction and dealing with it was an act of maturity.
*Archer certainly was foolish to blame the aliens for what happened to his dog. But, we never actually saw him act foolish to the aliens himself. He was saying these dumb things to his crew-members (mostly to his first officer), knowing it wasn't going to be repeated to the aliens themselves. I think he subconsciously knows he's being an idiot, but isn't going to stop and ponder it while he's stressed worrying about his dog and the ship isn't in any danger. Aside from the sexual frustration, I would have liked Archer to come to the realization that he lets the stresses of the job build up inside of him, and then he lashes out at his Vulcan officer because he knows she can take it in stride. That doesn't make him the greatest leader, but it does make him an understandable human.

Again, it doesn't get a passing mark, but every Trek series has many worse episodes.
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Mertov
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 10:03pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: State of Flux

Best episode of the series thus far for all the reasons Jammer and most others already said..

Two bad moments for the Chakotay character because of Robert Beltran's limited acting skills --->
One in contrast to Martha Hackett's Seska in their dialogs and the other in contrast to the masterful skills of Tim Russ in portraying Tuvok in that last scene. Delivery of lines in a believable and authentic-to-the-character manner are very underrated (see also the dialog between Garrett Wang's Kim and Jerry Hardin's character in "Emanations" for another example)
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Grumpy
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 9:34pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

Megan: "Like maybe the crew in general got depressed as the years dragged on, lost their curiosity and desire to help planets and people in need, etc."

Great suggestion. Even better if this had been true all season, say, showing an actual change in the characters as a consequence of their voyage.
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Mertov
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 4:20pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: Prime Factors

I can't believe nobody has brought up one of the wittiest (and funniest) delivery lines in all of the Voyager series:

"[...] should improve performance and maximize efficiency."

... delivered twice, first by Tuvok, second by Janeway, both priceless.. :)))
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Megan
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 4:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

I'm glad they got home. I agree with Leah's above comment/proposal for the final scene. The ending is just a bit too abrupt. They should have shown everyone for just a couple minutes on Earth, just to give me time to tear up in happiness. Unlike some commenters, I mostly prefer to use my imagination on how their lives turn out on Earth. But some quick smiles, embraces, tears, and reunions would have given this a more complete feeling. I also would have liked Admiral Janeway to have told us just a few more reasons that going back earlier was preferable. Like maybe the crew in general got depressed as the years dragged on, lost their curiosity and desire to help planets and people in need, etc. There didn't have to be more death and destruction, but some indication that the majority of the crew would have definitely been happier with getting home sooner would have been nice.

I also have a problem with the whole Chakotay/Seven thing. I actually thought the actors sold it quite well, considering how last minute it was. . . But it was too last minute. Lots of people in the comments above seem to have a problem with it because they think SEVEN should have ended up with someone else. But I don't care who Seven ends up with. Could be some rando on Earth after she is finally done figuring out what it means to be human. I feel like Harry would have been the most obvious choice from the Voyager crew, since she has already turned the Doctor down pretty decidedly,but the point is, she didn't need to end up with anyone. That was never her arc. My problem is with Chakotay and Janeway not getting together, considering they've been on a slow boil the entire show, with the only reason they couldn't get together being that Janeway was his captain. I would have liked them clasping hands or something when they see Earth. Or perhaps the show didn't need to show anything between them at all, but if they hadn't chosen to shoehorn in the Seven thing, we could have chosen to envision any future for them we chose.

In general, I'm much less bothered by the ending than most, and you can put me in that rare group of people who likes TNG, VOY, and DS9 all equally, for different reasons.
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Mertov
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 3:11pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: Emanations

An episode focusing on the two dullest regular Voyager crew members, Harry Kim and Chakotay, in the opening scenes was bound to be a dud. Luckily Chakotay's role diminishes after the first 5 minutes, but Kim's does not.

Some excellent performances by guest stars are not enough to save the day either.

Good actors can sometimes carry a badly written episode with their acting skills, but I don't (and shouldn't) expect that from Garrett Wang and Robert Beltran here, and this is despite the fact that the underlying story here did indeed have potential.

Just look at the opening scene with 4 of our regular characters (2 of whom are Kim and Chakotay) when they are talking over what they see in a screen. Wang delivers his lines as if he were reading them from that screen (sigh). And the conversation that ensues in the cave between Kim and Chakotay; no energy whatsoever even when Chakotay refuses to scan the bodies for ethical reasons (ummm.. I can think of at least 10 episodes in the Star Trek universe, if given the time, in which dead bodies discovered are scanned immediately. Nevermind anyway that Petra's dead body was revived without too much contemplation by anyone).

The most blatant examples of acting-skills contrast take place in those scenes that show Wang (Kim) and a seasoned actor like Jerry Hardin (or even a less-accomplished one like Jeffrey Chandler) holding one-on-one dialogs. I am also inclined to include the closing dialog between Kim and Janeway in the same breath. Wang is like a Chevette trying to keep up with a different Ferrari in each of these scenes.
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Tommy
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 2:59pm (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S3: Heart of Stone

Dirk Hartmann,

Ugh, I wish this was more like Reddit, because you will never read this...but....

*Odo* has trouble mimicking the humanoid face. The founders are centuries old; I doubt they have such troubles. Odo is a child compared to them.
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Mertov
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 2:06pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: Ex Post Facto

I am a sucker for murder mysteries and for Tuvok who happens to be my favorite Voyager character, so I enjoyed watching the episode on TV back when it was aired just as I enjoyed watching "A Matter of Perspective."

Now, in retrospect, I have to agree with some of the criticism here about the Chihuahua and the Doctor-Whatever's careless plan to somehow collaborate with the enemy. Still, this is one of the best episodes of the early part of the otherwise-mediocre 1st season.
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Stuart M
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 10:20am (UTC -6)
Re: ENT S2: The Expanse

Watching this episode as I type.

2 Points so far

1. The Delphic expanse is "2000 light years across", and it'll take 3 months to reach at warp 5. I make that approx 50 light years away from Earth. Yet Archer has never heard of it!

2. The photonic torpedoes have a range 50x greater than their previous ones. That seems an awful lot more!
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DLPB
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 9:32am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S4: The Nth Degree

I suggest that, rather than laughing your head off about the past, you direct your criticisms to the present. I.e., nearly every Muslim majority country, where child brides can be legal, child sex legal (as young as 9), FGM perfectly acceptable, slavery (in some places) still exists, and where basic human rights are absent (see Saudi for the best example of all).

But, no, you'd rather attack a country that, while not perfect, is a damn site better. The West allows affords you the freedom to post your ramblings online. I am getting so so fed up with people like you. And the anger I have is catching on very fast with the majority of the West. You'll likely have to sit through 8 years of Trump - and I sincerely hope you have to squirm through the leadership of Le Pen and Geert Wilders.

Your double standards aren't being tolerated anymore. People like me are taking charge of the lunatic asylum those like you created.
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ggg
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 8:15am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S6: DS9 Season 6 Ranking

10 point scale (based on how they relate to the rest of the series).

"A Time to Stand"-10
"Rocks and Shoals"-10
"Sons and Daughters"-6
"Behind the Lines"-8
"Favor the Bold"-9
"Sacrifice of Angels"-10
"You Are Cordially Invited"-7
"Resurrection"-4
"Statistical Probabilities"-7
"The Magnificent Ferengi"-8
"Waltz"-9
"Who Mourns For Mourn"-7
"Far Beyond the Stars"-10
"One Little Ship"-8
"Honor Among Thieves"-8
"Change Of Heart"-7
"Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night"-7
"Inquisition"-9
"In the Pale Moonlight"-10
"His Way"-6
"The Reckoning"-5
"Valiant"-8
"Profit and Lace"-0
"Time's Orphan"-5
"The Sound of Her Voice"-7
"Tears of the Prophets"-8
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Paul Allen
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 7:32am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S7: Once More Unto the Breach

"Savour the fruit of life my young friends. It has a sweet taste when it is fresh from the vine, but don't live too long. The taste turns bitter after time."

Beautifully handled episode on the ravages of ageing and the role played and problems presented with people in their advanced twilight years.

And that ending? Superb.
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Cajun
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 4:07am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S4: Rules of Engagement

I'm of mixed mind about this episode. On the one hand, the plot holes are huge. Why would a transport ship even have a cloaking-device? This is supposed to be high-end military equipment, the Star Trek equivalent of our sneakiest stealth-bombers and quietest submarines. But a transport ship has one? Wuh? That's like a 747 having stealth-bomber tech, or a cruise-ship that can run as quietly as a military submarine. It's ridiculous.

On the other hand, the plot is really a plot-device to explore Worf's psychology in an uncomfortable and interesting manner.

So I'm not sure how to rate it, as it is a blend of some really good and really bad ideas, rather than something that is good or bad or even mediocre from beginning to end. I guess it averages mediocre, but saying so feels misleading.
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Peremensoe
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 2:47am (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Elementary, Dear Data

Of course he cares. There's nothing for him to enjoy, to be interested in, no reason to engage such hobby pursuits, if he doesn't care. Data certainly 'enjoys' intellectual challenges, if maybe not in the same qualitative way as a human would.
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RandomThoughts
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 1:58am (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S2: The Apple

Hello Everyone

I noticed a couple of comments about still having phasers after using nearly all of their power in an attempt to pull the Enterprise free. If I'm not mistaken, the phaser banks of that era were powered by batteries. Scotty talks about that in the next episode *minor spoiler* when he was on the Constellation and said he had one bank recharged.

I think it was ST: The Motion Picture *minor spoiler* where Decker informs Kirk that the phasers now draw power directly from the warp engines, which was changed in the re-fit from the previous way they did things.

I think if they previously had the phasers fully charged, they would still be that way even if the ship was out of power, unless they drained the energy back into the ships systems somehow.

This is just a thought. If I'm wrong, please show me the light. But this is how I remember the phasers working for TOS.

Have a great day... RT
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Welchie!!!!!
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 1:39am (UTC -6)
Re: DS9 S2: Shadowplay

I like this episode, because I love the character despite the thin plot. The A story premise initially had me worried that the episode would just turn out to be a meh episode, but once again the ensemble cast save us fans from a potentially disappointing show. If this was a TNG episode Kira would of done nothing with her attraction to Bareil and Jake would have acted with the same ability as Will Weaton, and the aliens of the week would have failed to make a blip on my radar. But this DS9 where terrible scripts have to fight tooth and nail, to the last cliche in order to sink an episode.
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Strejda
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 1:00am (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S3: Future's End, Part II

I forgot to mention last episode, but Neelix and Kes watching soap operas was the first time I actually found the two cute together. And they break up next episode.

"Look, I may be a guerilla fighter but I'm also an Indian, so I have to be all about peace and love man! Oh look, that's the truck with a ship that's supposed to blow up, shoot it!" God, Chakotay sucks.

It's fun, but way too many people acting stupid for the sake of plot. And while Starling was fun, I thought Rain was just kinda annoying. That "freakosaurus" insult was kinda funny, but still something you would expect an 11 year old girl say, not a grownass scientist.
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William B
Sat, Feb 25, 2017, 10:16pm (UTC -6)
Re: TOS S2: The Ultimate Computer

@Peter, right, I mean, my point wasn't really supposed to be that Daystrom himself is *particularly* unhinged and always has been. Rather, Daystrom thinks that he's a good model, and the reason is simple enough -- Daystrom is also self-evidently a genius. And under normal circumstances, he would be a good example of what is good in humanity: he's brilliant, creative, altruistic, working toward the betterment of the species. His flaw turns out to be monomania; his obsession with prioritizing the M-5 above all else ended up spilling over into the M-5 prioritizing...itself over all else. But I think that other people have different flaws, which when wedded to an Ultimate Computer-style starship which is expected to fulfill the function of dozens of humans would also be disastrous. I think Daystrom's breakdown suggests both that, as you indicate, he had put too much of his hope in machines, and also that he also was overloaded. We learn that he succeeded early in life, was seen as a whiz kid (something of a human computer) and then has spent the rest of his life trying to live up to those expectations, sort of like Stubbs tells Wesley in "Evolution"; while Daystrom has an inflated ego, it's not simply arrogance but some fundamental lack of conception of his worth outside his success. This overloading is similar, maybe, to M-5's overloading, but it also fits in well with the idea of a person desperately seeking a way to do away with human failings. I'll have to think about it.

In some ways, there is also a parallel between Daystrom and Kirk -- because Kirk also may in fact need to feel useful even if, as he acknowledges at one point, he is *not* needed as captain anymore. Daystrom mostly seems to want to make everyone else obsolete, and there may be some latent sense of revenge on Federation society in it -- he wants to make everyone feel like he felt, after his own tech made *him* obsolete, to the point where his only possible use to society seems to be an apparently unattainable goal. Kirk's ability to question his motives seems to be the thing that sets him apart from Daystrom at this moment -- but this is by no means an indication that Daystrom is congenitally a madman, so much as that extreme fame and adulation followed by inability to meet one's lofty standard create perverse incentives and take a big psychological toll. In fact, maybe that's the trick -- Daystrom, whose own invention put *him* out of work, is the proof of the long-term psychological damage of replacing a person with a machine entirely. Daystrom's desire to have an even better machine seal his legacy by replacing all of humanity is not only self-destructive in the abstract, it's specifically almost a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, repeating-of-trauma -- Daystrom's sense of worth has eroded since his first big breakthrough. (It reminds me of the classic image of a gambler who wins big on his first time out, and then develops a strong addiction because that rush/depression pattern is absolutely set early on, though I do think we are meant to see Daystrom as a genius rather than having succeeded by accident; very few people have one moment of humanity-changing brilliance, let alone multiple ones.)

Good point about HAL. I tend to think that even if he wasn't specifically programmed to kill the humans, he didn't particularly "malfunction," in that he was still following a logical course. The consequences of humans mucking up contact with alien life forms are too great to ignore, and it is logical from a certain perspective to eliminate potential sources of error and to maintain total control in what could be a major turning point in human history. This would make sense even if HAL was entirely programmed to put the mission (and the ultimate good of humanity) as a top priority.
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BC
Sat, Feb 25, 2017, 9:02pm (UTC -6)
Re: TNG S2: Elementary, Dear Data

Peremensoe: But Data has no emotions so he wouldn't / couldn't actually care. Just erase the files. That would make it fun for Geordi.
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Mertov
Sat, Feb 25, 2017, 5:31pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S1: Parallax

Odyssey47's comment in Aug 2016... LOOOOOOL
:)))))
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Samantha Bradley
Sat, Feb 25, 2017, 3:58pm (UTC -6)
Re: VOY S2: Meld

I just watched this episode for the first time and I thought the main part was awesome. About Suder, what I got was: You know Deanna Troi lost her empathic powers only temporarily. Now imagine the Betazoid who never had any empathic powers, who perpetually sees other beings (including, even, himself) as flat, with no dimension whatsoever. (This is what I get when asked if he had any feelings on the matter, Suder says, "Nothing.")

Being as such, I think that for Tuvok to have experienced the extra impact of the meld (struggling even more than usual for a Vulcan to suppress those violent thoughts), Ensign Suder had to have just enough telepathic ability to imprint (or trade) that violent tendency for more self-control. Also, thinking about Suder's punishment makes me think that executing him would have been too easy, so just keep him in isolation under armed guard would be more of a real punishment for him.
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