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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 10:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S7: Seventh Season Recap

Overall, I felt this was a satisfying season. I felt everybody got appropriate endings, even if they didn't always get the strongest material to get to those endings. I have lots of little thoughts on different aspects of this season, so this will be a rambling post.

I found the first 2 episodes to be solid, although (as I've said before), making Sisko's mother one of the wormhole aliens (or a human possessed by a wormhole alien), was a mistake. It didn't add anything to the series, while removing some of the moral differences between the 'prophets' & the paghwraiths.

While her episodes weren't the strongest, i did like the character of Ezri, and I did like how she progressed through the season. Sorry haters (or is it one hater, with lots of usernames?). I don't think she & Bashir are destined to be together forever, and if they ever show up in Star Trek again, I hope they aren't a couple.

Among the stand alone episodes, "The Emperor's New Cloak" is the only one I would call truly bad, although there are several, like "Prodigal Daughter" and "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang" that I would say are just passable. "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River", "It's Only a Paper Moon", and "Chimera" are all classics for me.

Some people (including Jammer) have pointed to Bajor not being admitted to the Federation as something that was missing from this season. I disagree. We already saw Bajor get admitted, which they turned down at Sisko's urging. I think it is understood they will again be offered admission soon after the peace is firmly established. If there would have been a season 8, it would have made a good storyline. The war would have made some Bajorans more sure of the fact that Bajor should try to be neutral, even as other Bajorans would be more convinced than ever that Bajor needed to be firmly integrated into the Federation. I think it was appropriate that season 7 end with the war without trying to tack this on. If we ever see a Star Trek series set post-DS9, I expect we'll see Bajor mentioned as full Federation members.

That said, I agree that it would have been good to see more stuff happening on Bajor these past few seasons.

On the subject of the final serialized episodes:

-I wish Ezri had more to do aside from resolving her romantic life. I think the writers were using her relationships with Worf & Bashir as an excuse to introduce some romantic comedy "fun" into the dark episodes while communicating the general idea that "life goes on". Sometimes it worked, but it dragged out too long (both parts: ending her realtionship with Worf & starting her relationship with Bashir). Of course, she did get the great speech on the nature of the Klingon Empire in "Tacking into the Wind".

-Speaking of that speech, the changing of the leadership of the Klingon empire was well done. A climax of Klingon political stories going back to...what, the 3rd season of TNG? Which would be 10 years of Klingon stories. The political changes on Ferenginar, however, don't make much sense. Which, I suppose, is consistent with how Ferengi society has worked throughout the series. Still, the characters were good there.

-Yes "Extreme Measures" doesn't address the moral questions posed by section 31, and yes, it does rely on "VR cliches" (as Jammer puts it), but I enjoy the episode for what it is: not a classic, but OK as the last Bashir/O'Brien buddy pairing.

-I agree with most everyone that the Cardassian material was the strongest of the final run. I disagree with a lot of people in that I believe it's appropriate that Damar gets killed before seeing Cardassia freed. First of all, he has done a lot of evil in his time, so it's not like he's an innocent. More importantly, however, the series is ending by removing the people who can command unthinking allegiance. Sisko (the chosen of the 'prophets'), Winn (the head of the religious hierarchy), Dukat (the charismatic leader), & Damar (the revolutionary hero) are all gone. Cardassia & Bajor are going to have to move forward by coming together without any obvious leaders who can command blind obedience. If there was an 8th season, it would have been interesting to see to what extent Kira & Garak could influence their planets. Neither one would have commanded blind loyalty, and Garak in particular would have been treated with suspicion.

-On the Winn/Dukat/Sisko prophet/paghwraith material. Some of the Winn/Dukat stuff was entertaining. Dukat becoming a Bajoran for a while is interesting, seducing Winn is both icky and interesting, losing his eyesight & being exiled is interesting, but we don't see him suffer (or learn) anything from that. Still, reducing Dukat to a one-dimensional 'bad-guy' was dull and a let down. Winn's characterization seemed to change from episode to episode in the final episodes (which I wrote a little about in a few comment sections). Like Sisko's 'prophet parentage', adding the paghwraiths to the series was a mistake.

-However, I do think Sisko ending up in the wormhole, out of time, is an appropriate ending for the character. Time has been a recurring theme with the character throughout the series, even before they decided to make him part-prophet, and the victory of "Sacrifice of Angels" required him not to find a straight-forward hero's ending. One of the earlier commenters above complained that DS9 didn't use a lot of science fiction ideas. Well, the hero of the series having been in the wormhole the whole time (guiding himself?) is an interesting science fiction idea.

I think every episode of the final run was worthwhile, but the unevenness of the material always leaves me with a bit of a feeling that this season wasn't quite as strong as it really was. Oh well, DS9 is still my favorite version of Star Trek & one of my favorite shows of any genre.
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Dr Qui
Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 5:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S4: Storm Front, Part II

Not only was this a bad episode, but if you watch the fake newsreel footage carefully, you'll note that one of the 'parasitic elements' that needed to be rooted out was apparently the Canadian Prime Minister during WII, William Lyon Mackenzie King.

Granted, I've always suspected that if time travelling Nazi vampire aliens were to invade America they'd naturally want to make us into your puppet rulers, but I think the producers might have gone a little too far with that one.
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 4:37pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Drone

As Janeway pointed out, we went through this with Seven. Predictable ending (***)
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 4:32pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S5: Night

hmmmummmm ... what happened? ...nvm
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Glen Leslie
Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 4:13pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S3: The Cloud Minders

Let's not forget about the ridiculously sexist gag in this episode.

SPOCK: "Remarkable. The finest example of sustained antigravity elevation I've ever seen. "

Followed immediately by our first view of Droxine, in that incredible gravity-defying dress.
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 2:45pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Hope and Fear

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Jasonr R.
Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 2:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek Beyond

"But the JJ-verse films threw the baby out with the bathwater and basically turned the tech of the universe into Dr. Who, where if you can imagine doing it, they can come with a way to do it. Under those conditions you can't create continuity or story limitations anymore and it becomes a free-for-all."

Apart from so many gaping plot holes you really hit the nail on the head when it comes to reasons I dislike the Abrams films.

For previous Star Treks going back to the original the technology was a lovingly crafted part of the universe, something that was given alot of thought, even when it was relied on as a crutch or a stopgap (like the original transporter). Like the languages in the Lord of the Rings books it was an important part of the universe building and generally writers respected its continuity. Even Voyager, which monkeyed around far too much with that continuity, at least attempted to maintain some consistency.

For the Abrams films it's more than just abandoning the pretenses of scifi and delving into fantasy. It's clear that the writers don't even care about the tech or have any interest in it as anything but an immediate means to an end for a specific episode's plot resolution. How do we get from point A to point B? Whatever, a wizard did it. Who cares? Not the writers. Even Voyager at least attempted to give their technobabble solutions a consistent feel.

In the Jem Hadar the destruction of the Odyssey was impactful to the viewer not just because it was another Enterprise look alike being destroyed but because we knew how powerful the Galaxy class ships were and to see the Jem Hadar just wreck one in a matter of minutes was shocking. It spoke to the incredible ruthlessness and power of the Dominion that they could just ignore the Odyssey's shields, bypass its defences and obliterate a huge ship of its power with a couple of fighters! Because the writers took the time to establish the technology and define our expectations, they could really wow us when something really big and bad came on the scene, like the Borg in Q Who.

The destruction of the Enterprise in Beyond is comparatively a non event for the viewer. The Enterprise is nothing. Its technology is just some vague plot devices that are whatever the story requires them to be for each movie. If it gets wrecked? Who cares? They'll have another faceless one built in time for the next movie. It'll be really "advanced"? Sure - whatever that means. Maybe it will be able to blow up starsystems with its phasers and warp across the galaxy in one movie - right before it gets wrecked by the alien of the week in the next.

You know what the Enterprise has become in Abrams' universe? One of Voyager's shuttles.
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 10:08am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

D.C. Fontana and Manny Coto are still out there....

.... just sayin...
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 6:39am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: If Wishes Were Horses

@ dave-

I think it's an homage to Babe Ruth, widely considered the best player in baseball history (or top 3, easily). Think of someone with the power to hit 50+ homeruns in an era when getting 20 was amazing. On top of that he was also an incredible PITCHER.

Anyhow he was not the.. ah, most fit guy out there. He routinely drank beer and ate hot dogs, I think even before games haha.

So I think that's why they went the Buck Bokai route there.
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 4:44am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: One

Ensign "Who Cares' must be the unluckiest guy in the world. Every one else got minor burns. For some reason he was fried .
If I see Lenny show up as a clown I'm out.
Things disintegrated into dullsville when Seven started spacing out. (*)
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 12:34am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Demon

I had this on as background noise then Harry and Paris died so mi skipped to the end where I knew they'd be alive again, only to hear idiot Janeway tell her crew to line up for replication by a silver liquid... you know what; I don't want to know. Next
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Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 12:02am (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S1: If Wishes Were Horses

Buck Bokai...

Why would they place a chubby out of shape actor as "one of the greatest ball players of all time"? Was this a rib or some sort of inside joke?

I can get him being the best of his era.. perhaps nobody played anymore and nobody cared to be fit or work hard so he was fine against who he was competing against.. So that may mean he did obliterate the record book against inferior competition; that doesn;t make him a greatest of all time.

So, 20+ years later, does anyone know why they chose this particular guy to play a pro baseball player other than being some sort of inside joke?

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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 11:59pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Living Witness

I had this on as background noise but it grabbed my attention so I had to start from the beginning. Excellent (****)
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Jack D
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 9:48pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Blood on the Scales

Dyac ... Adama, not Adams. Roslin, not Rolling.
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Jack D
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 9:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S4: Blood on the Scales

@Michael: Your concerns are based in real issues (Adams and Rolling are willing to ignore rules when it suits them), carried to hysterical extremes (do you really think Adams or Roslin have any interest in power for power's sake?).

Also: LEE, of all people, as a future dictator?
STARBUCK, of all people, as a future president?

I can only assume that you have spent less time watching the show than you've spent typing comments about it.
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 7:39pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Unforgettable

A Chunkytay showcase. Good as background noise nothing more. (*)
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 7:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: The Omega Directive

Episode did nothing for me. Just another Janeway or the highway showcase. (*)
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Jack Bauer
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 3:43pm (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

If Fuller makes this show half as good as Dead Like Me was for the first 6 episodes, were in for a massive treat.
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Nicholas Ryan
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 12:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Flesh and Blood

Once again it was established in the first episode they appeared that the Hirogen were at least spread out all the way to the Beta quadrant. And they all can stay in contact via their communications network. So obviously they shared the holodeck technology that way.
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 12:00pm (UTC -5)
Re: TNG S5: The Game

I see Leffler and Crusher as two very high-functioning autistic people with a high-degree of social awkwardness, which would make sense how the whole game thing kind of missed them until it they were the only ones left not hooked. The two of them play well off each others quirks, but I sense zero chemistry. They both read as asexual to me.
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 11:28am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Fair Haven

Irish stereotype:Exuse me Father I need a bit of counsel
Doctor:Not now
Irish stereotype:But iv'e broken the 5th commandment again!
Doctor:Say 10 our fathers and get me latter.

Um Doc the Catholic 5th commandment is Thou shalt not kill the innocent.

So that annoying old Irish guy is a repeated murder? that strangely makes him more endearing to me.
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 11:22am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame


I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable sounding technobabble solution here. Like, the future tech Janeway gives past Janeway is surrounded by chronoton particles which renders it safe from the fluctuations of time. (See "Past Tense")
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 11:05am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

@Del_Duio, I'm actually with you here. I hope that they keep this mostly family friendly so that kids of a certain age can watch it. It's just a matter of where to draw the line so that the show can work for the more sophisticated audience as well. Most of that, however, has little to do with how graphic the content is versus how good the writing is, so this whole thing is really a bit of a red herring.
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 11:02am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S7: Endgame

I just finished watching "Voyager" on Netflix this past weekend. I remembered why I was so irritated with this show at that time.
They use time travel as a fast way to get a plot point across without using any logic. (Not to sound Vulcan) Paradox after paradox, returns to the point, that once you create a new timeline, it will loop to the point of it's beginning. And start again. And repeat.
Janeway's solution was to go back in time, and give high tech equipment to her prior self, and bring them home earlier. Coming home earlier, erases everything, including the need to be brought back. So, by not doing this, they are not brought back and they stay, until, They once again are brought back, which eliminates their need...
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Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 10:58am (UTC -5)
Re: Star Trek: Discovery

The only way she''ll be like janeway is if she gets written inconsistently from episode to episode in a way that makes her look bipolar.
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