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- Wed, Dec 4, 2013, 9:13am (USA Central)
You might be forgiven for coming away from this episode thinking: maybe Nikolai is right, maybe this was the right decision, in this case no cultural damage was done and adherence to the Prime Directive would have needlessly sacrificed these people.
But the more you think about, the more unforeseen consequences there will be for these people over the next hundreds or thousands of years.
For example, evolution by natural selection may not be discovered because all their hominid fossils would have been left behind on the old planet. What would that do for their culture? It could be absolutely devastating in the long run.
- Wed, Dec 4, 2013, 5:04am (USA Central)
@Destructor - I just re-watched the episode and thought the same thing! Anyway, I thought this episode was pretty good until the end. Why didn't they beam everyone out? We don't even know who survived, although obviously Culluh does. I did like the backstory between the Trabe and Kaizon though, it's good to have some context.
I know this is nitpicky, but where does the music and applause come from when the Kaizon leaders walk into the conference room? Is there an audience? It's rather odd.
- Wed, Dec 4, 2013, 4:15am (USA Central)
The Most Toys
One of my favourite episodes, but also one of the scarier ones because of Data's attempted kill-shot; it is clearly stated that the disruptor (disruptor is NOT spelled dis-rup-ter, ffs and btw) was "in the state of discharge", meaning Data 100% definetly, certainly and with out any doubt whatsoever fired the weapon, intent to kill Fajo. What makes it even scarier is that Data seems to have hidden a subroutine for lying or denial, since he is all like "Discharge? Must've been a transporter thing *shrugs*". That sneak! I'd rate it 4/4 Stars, but there are other Ep.'s that would easily deserve negative Stars, and other very good ones deserve 1000/4 stars.
- Wed, Dec 4, 2013, 3:56am (USA Central)
The Search, Part I
This was definitely my favourite episode of DS9 so far. I don't know if it's maybe that I just enjoy these action-centric episodes more, but for met his episode was really intense and I enjoyed it a lot.
Honestly I don't think the writing in any of the Star Treks is sufficient enough for it to be able to stand alone as a drama, so for me these kind of episodes are necessary.
On another note, I really like Quark and the Ferengi. I think Quark has become my favourite character on the show thus far. I especially liekd his speech in the previous episode about humans not liking them because they reminded us of what we once were, albeit worse! I found it actually quite poignant.
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 11:50pm (USA Central)
An episode stirring this much debate is a great episode.
Many things have been covered above, but I want to add something new: that Starfleet is still essentially a "military" organization, and the person holding the RANK and POSITION of Captain is still in charge and responsible. It isn't a committee like these comments may seem to be. Like Captains today, this future Captain has been given the authority to send people to their deaths to save others. In TNG, Troi's "Command" Test (putting the counselor in command after a short test is a totally different commentary) had her send Geordi to his death to save the rest of the crew. Was that "murder"? Without Starfleet Command to consult, Janeway is within her right to summarily execute to save others.
If you can't make these sorts of calls, you're not fit to wear the red tunic. I'm normally critical of how Janeway is written in much of VOY, but they nailed the Captain's role this time.
The final scene says it best - command is a lonely place. Perhaps only those of us who have been given and perhaps used such authority over others under their responsibility will understand this burden. I'm glad Voyager gave the average person this command dilemma to consider.
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 11:43pm (USA Central)
The Andorian Incident
This was the first of many (way too many) episodes in which Archer is being interrogated, and his cocky demeanor in each case (always regurgitating gibberish, which would annoy me to high heaven as well) is so excruciating that I vicariously enjoyed the beatings he got from the interrogators he was torturing.
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 3:28pm (USA Central)
I totally concur with the psote above that siad, though they like Bakula, he was just totally wrong in this role.
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 1:09pm (USA Central)
@Susan: phasering the dark matter centipede was his first "mistake". The biggest issue with this episode is the pacing, whereby the events and logic of the last act or so are so crammed that one has to fill in many gaps. I believe this also accounts for Jammer's impression that there was no ending; it's there, but the lack of screen time requires one to infer a lot about what might have transpired offscreen.
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 12:25pm (USA Central)
I'm still trying to figure the ending part where Janeway says to Harren "You made a mistake, don't make another one!" What exactly was his first mistake? Following her order? Was it a mistake to decide not to stay with the rest of the crew to protect her, after she ordered them to leave anyway? First she orders them to leave, then when he does she calls it a mistake? Or am I missing something else?
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 9:11am (USA Central)
I think this was a really good episode. I'm not sure I'd give it four stars, but it's definitely in my list of personal favorites. It took some getting into initially, but overall, it was very, very good. Great performances by the two captains. Very touching ending. As someone further above said, the ending was so brilliant, it made the first 25 minutes "worth it".
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 8:36am (USA Central)
I always thought this episode was underrated in Voyager's run. It's something that really could have been straight out of TOS or TNG -- Kirk, Spock, Bones or Picard in Chakotay's role would have really been interesting -- and I generally liked the way different characters were utilized.
I'll grant Jammer's point that the "piece of Earth" thing was overdone in Voyager. But, then, it was overdone in just about every series, except maybe DS9. Granted, Voyager's farther from Earth than the other vessels, but I didn't find this episode crazier than Kirk finding "20th century Rome", or Picard finding a group of aliens going back in time to 19th-century Earth to suck the life energy out of humans.
If Voyager had been more like this episode, it would have been a much stronger series. This was generally engaging, and the aliens weren't just hard-headed guys who had slight makeup and fired on the ship.
- Tue, Dec 3, 2013, 4:22am (USA Central)
The Quality of Life
Ok : the enterprise LOOKS for life ANY life.
(a class M planet with only a few microbes on it would from that mission point still be interesting)
Still I was like the writer of this article thinking of : not all life is equall.
So they have PROVEN to have a survival instinct.
so have MANY annimals and we we would slaughter them without thought to save a sentient being.
Sentient life < Annimal life < Plantlife < MicrobialLife
Simple as that.
I have not seen probe these exocombs are sentient, so they are like annimals.
Sure there WOULD be some green ecomaniacks that would kill humans for the SURVIVAL of an annimal species. And while these exocomps CAN be recreated (so you can revive them after becoming extinct) one may play the "don't kill all of a species"
kinda like, would you sacrifice the last 3 pandabears or tigers in the entire universe to save just 2 of billions of humans?
Normally I'd say : no, unless we have a proper backup copy. (like ability to clone them or something to restore the species after extiction)
and in this case we have!
even better there are 3! -> so the best bet would be, send in 2, not 3, keep 1 to make copy's later from.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 11:20pm (USA Central)
@Jay, and Jack, and all:
Regarding the Barrens being "100 light years from everywhere":
You shouldn't normally take that kind of information in Star Trek literally, unless:
a) It is a statement of fact, as in "It will take us 8 hours at Warp 4.5" or "We are 600,000 km from the unknown vessel", etc., or
b) It is provided by the likes of Spock, Data, or Seven of Nine, who famously tend to be quite accurate in their communication. But then again, none of them would have made such a vague, imprecise statement as this one, would they?
In most other cases, this kind of information seems to be the usual hyperbole we all know from our daily lives: "I spent a year working on that project" - even if it was only nine months, etc.
Taken literally, the Barrens being "100 light years from anywhere" can only mean that at its centre, that region is actually that distant from any other star system, effectively meaning it must be a region some 200+ light years across. But it's more probable that those "100 light years" is a typically inaccurate, casual human statement - as when a 43 minute television show, or train ride, is said to be about an hour long. It could actually just as well mean that the Barrens is something like a hundred light years across - being in the middle of it would still be pretty far from anything.
This doesn't change the fact that even then it would still be at a considerable distance from Earth for say, a Warp 2 vessel, which was Jay's and Jack's point. My point is quite simply, that all too often I see commenters here taking bits and pieces of such information far, far too literally. Quite often this is just more or less casual dialogue - nothing to merit such literal interpretatons. Let's not nitpick.
"Archer's decision to allow the experiment to continue even after he's lost a man is ludicrous".
---R.: Couldn't agree more. Enough said.
"If no one will speak for this episode, I will."
---R.: I personally don't care much for this episode. But I am honestly and sincerely happy that you did.
I think that the revelation of Erickson's dishonesty having caused the death of a crewman should have stopped his experiment right then and there. There is no way a responsible captain wouldn't feel betrayed and disgusted by such behaviour. Think Picard and Galen ("The Chase"), if the latter had done anything similar: "Professor, your experiment ends here! This far, no further!"
It would have been far more interesting to take it from there, I think, than to play out the wholly predictable rest of the episode. This could actually have been an intriguing exploration of the price of technology and technological research, of crime and punishment (think "The Drumhead", and "The First Duty"), and the obsession and fall of a great scientist - true tragedy, instead of technobabble in order to boost the pattern buffer, or enhance the pattern cohesiveness, or whatever. But having said that, I read what you wrote, and I'm glad that you liked this episode. After all, we don't all need to think alike.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 7:53pm (USA Central)
I really mean it, if I were religious, I would be extremely angry with the DS9 writers for portraying the Bajorans as such a pathetically credulous and weak-minded race who excuse ALL of their incompetences with "belief". What a disaster.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 7:39pm (USA Central)
This race makes me want to slaughter them.
-> I cant stand idiot people in real life either.
: in that regard I may be a klingon where death and weak (and stupid IS weak) are the same word.
the star trek universe often is FAR to meak.
1 : why would I risk my captain for total strangers, what GAIN is there for the Terran Empire?
2 : seing how stupid they are, I most likely would have left them to rot (not worth that mercifull shot)
3 : even IF they offered me something of enough value to offer help (and that should be something worth a whole planet giving their race-not-worth-living) I would not send my CHIEF engineer, it was a simple problem, let ensign cannonfodder go.
4 : the second they attacked my crewman they were dead meat they and their race : you attack one of us, you attack all of us. Dumb AND decietfull : find their planet and sterilse their race.. show the galaxy thou shalth not mess with the Terran Empire.
-> drink bloodwine with our klingon allies afterwards.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 7:10pm (USA Central)
For some reason I find Riker's grumpy eye-rolling reaction to Worf's torpedo masturbating at the beginning to be hilarious. Guilty pleasure episode.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 4:54pm (USA Central)
Was the creator of the Borg on the TV series Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987) (The episode 'Q Who?'). The Borg were also featured in Star Trek: First Contact (1996), and in the latter seasons of Star Trek: Voyager (1995).
Wrote an alternative treatment to Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga's screenplay for Star Trek: Generations (1994). Hurley's version had Captain Kirk featuring in the story primarily as a hologram.
Was responsible for Gates McFadden leaving Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987) after the first season. McFadden returned for season three after Hurley left the show.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 3:44pm (USA Central)
Heart of Glory
@Shenbaz: In early TNG, it's pretty clear Starfleet doesn't feel particularly comfortable around the Klingons. This episode and "A Matter of Honor" show that the alliance is an uneasy one. Picard's involvement with Gowron strengthens ties between the two sides. It's also possible that Romulans re-entering the picture in TNG's first season helped the Federation and the Klingons get closer.
Keep in mind that the Federation and the Klingons really weren't allies until the 2340s. They weren't enemies after STVI, but the events of "Yesterday's Enterprise" indicate that a treaty was being worked on before the Enterprise-C's battle at Narendra III.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 3:33pm (USA Central)
@Moonie: Presumably, the Klingons would have had to deal with the Capellans, who were quite formidable even if they were backward. Remember, this is before Klingons lived for battle. TOS Klingons were more like TNG Romulans or Cardassians.
But the Prime Directive issue is certainly hard to figure, though this is far from the only example of TOS forgetting it existed.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 9:20am (USA Central)
Chain of Command, Part II
It's interesting watching TNG now, 20 years later. A lot of it really doesn't hold up. The early seasons have far too many examples of bad-TOS storytelling and season 7 really goes off the rails ("Genesis", "Sub Rosa") is really sedate ("Force of Nature", "Eye of the Beholder") or both ("Emergence").
Seasons 3-6 are, obviously, quite good -- but even some of the episodes in those seasons seem trivial compared with the darker and more serialized television that is now common ("Breaking Bad", "Sons of Anarchy").
But this two-parter is really exceptional.
It's probably Patrick Stewart's best performance as Picard, and that's saying something. His interchanges with Madred are really excellent, particularly the scene with Madred's daughter. But this episode is also one of the best uses of the ensemble. Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes, neither of whom are really very good actors, deliver here -- particularly Frakes in part 2. LeVar Burton and Gates McFadden come up big, too. Michael Dorn certainly does the Worf thing well -- I like the nice touch when Worf pushes Picard aside to help Crusher in part 1. The only major character who doesn't really shine is Data, though Spiner is good in limited action.
Throw in good guest stars across the board (even the guy playing LeMec is quite good) and you've got the makings for a classic.
This two-parter isn't compared with "BOBW" in the history of Trek, but maybe it should be. It holds up just as well and it's importance in setting the Cardassians up as more than villains of the week -- as they were in seasons 4 and 5 -- is pretty instrumental to the franchise.
My only complaint has to do with the operation in the nebula. Jelico orders the Enterprise there without explaining the departure to the Reklar. Then, once Riker and Geordi complete their mission, Jelico hails the Reklar, and LeMec answers. But ... how did the Reklar get there -- and how did Jelico KNOW it was there?
All of that could have been fixed with a few lines of dialog or different sequencing (LeMec hails the Enterprise, etc.). Still, one of TNG's best outings.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 7:28am (USA Central)
A good episode, but it didn't seem plausible that Quark could simply agree to the striker's demands under the table without the FCA knowing about it. A more plausible solution would have been Sisko creating station regulations for workers. This would allow Quark to say "I didn't agree to their demands, Sisko forced me to give them sick time, etc."
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 7:16am (USA Central)
The Mirror Universe characters are to much like Snidely Whiplash to care much about. It seemed implausible that the rebels could build a Defiant - perhaps they could incorporate parts of technology into their own ships, but you need a shipyard to build a starship. It also seemed implausible that the rebels could hold DS9 - they couldn't keep t supplied.
The episode was irrelevant to the main story, but it would have been more enjoyable if the characters hadn't been simply evil charicatures, complete with metaphorical mustache twirling. While in the main universe, some characters are good, some are evil, with some inbetween, in the Mirror Universe, pretty much everyone is evil.
Killing off Jennifer seemed unnecessary. Seeing her die again should have given both Benjamin and Jake significant emotional distress, but it is of course forgotten by the next episode.
It may have been "big, dumb, sensationally simplistic", but that didn't make it all that much fun for me. YMMV, of course.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 5:28am (USA Central)
I can't remember the name of the episode, but in a later episode Kes suggests her father's name to Ensign WIldman for her child. The doctor gets offended that she never suggested that name to him and she starts rattling off other names - including that of her uncle. So obviously Ocampa women can have more than one child in their life. (Whether it's due to separate pregnancies or occasional multiple births, I don't know).
This episode kind of grosses me out, I don't want to hear the details of all her bodily processes. There sure isn't anything sexy about Ocampa mating, she's a sweaty mess the whole time! (I'm a women with three kids, and I'm pretty sure no one wants to hear all the details of my bodily changes during puberty or pregnancy). As someone else also mentioned, theres also no discussion about whether she and Neelix are even physically able to have a child or if there would be interspecies complications. Very irritating episode altogether.
- Mon, Dec 2, 2013, 3:29am (USA Central)
I'm really enjoying Seven and her deadpan delivery, providing me with the comic relief I need. She and the doctor are the reliable fun characters of the series, and I've surprised myself laughing out loud many times. This episode's attempt to join conversation were appropriately hilarious: funny but realistic and not trying too hard to turn it into a joke.
I enjoyed the Neelix story, although I'm pissed that once again a non human species resembles human Americans so closely: Not only do they believe in the after life but they ALSO believe in heaven exactly the way Christians do! The only difference is that it's a forest! What a crazy coincidence, coming from species half a galaxy apart from each other...
- Sun, Dec 1, 2013, 5:59pm (USA Central)
I can see the argument that this episode is in the spirit of TOS and shouldn't be judged so harshly as a result. And it is a Star Trek II script and all. Still, I think the Devil coming onto the captain to offer him sex in exchange for a planet's soulll fits Kirk more than Picard, and the tone of the original show more than this one. More than that, though, I kind of feel like this episode's silliness leapfrogs TOS and ends up at the Scooby-Doo stage, where a supernatural threat, shockingly, turns out to be some weirdo in a costume. I'm all for puncturing religion as hucksterism but there's got to be some less hokey way of doing it. I think 1 star is moderately harsh though.
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