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William Matheson
Sun, Sep 24, 2017, 2:55am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: About a Girl

I've been largely gripped by these episodes and I look forward to more. I'd like them to err a little more on the side of looking like a professional crew, at least sometimes. Like when the XO calls to Bortus, "the captain wants you to get your ass up here" - it's not that it's vulgar, it's just that it's out of nowhere. But I have hope that kind of thing will smooth out as the series goes on and they pick their moments wisely.

I laughed a lot watching this episode. Bortus is an excellent straight-man. He's deadpan but also likeable. I'm already more into him than Tuvok.
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Tim Miller
Sun, Sep 24, 2017, 2:23am (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: About a Girl

I don't understand why this "Planetary Union" would allow such a misogynistic race to even join them if their fundamental values as a society were so opposed to the ethics and morals of the Union as a whole.
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Kai
Sun, Sep 24, 2017, 2:21am (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S6: Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy

Hey you guys.
Thought as a viewer of all Star trek shows and movies I also left a comment.

In general, I totally disagree with most of you here who say this is a great episode...
The plot works. The jokes are mostly good and the idea of wrapping it up this way is fine.

HOWEVER, ever since season 3 or so the doctor has become a nuisance. He is never satisfied. Constantly complains. He is arrogant by considering himself to be more capable, better and superior to the rest of the crew.
This is clearly taken to the next level here ( and will be in several later episodes). A command hologram taking over??? Why not make him full time captain of Voyager instead. I am sure these incompetent hjumaaans will make room for the new generation of holograms. Even better. No more humans in space. No human decision making. No human admiralty. And while we are at it, and since holograms are superior in so many ways and man cannot match them, they should form the top of evolution and man becomes second class.

Guys...seriously? Have you ever thought of how equality for holograms will end? Or at least what happens if we let the doctor's blown up ego continue being delusional?

Ladies and gentleman please don't clap your hands because you will kill some bacteria.
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Cosmic
Sun, Sep 24, 2017, 12:24am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: General Discussion

"I trust it's not that hard to notice the difference between:
(a) Huh, these long unusual titles seems cool. Hey, first red carpet impressions are positive. Hope these things bode well for the show!
(b) Prequel! Hate! Dark'n'edgy! Hate! Swearing! Hate! New Klingon design! Hate!"

Yeah, I guess they're the same exact thing in Omicron's world. Shaking my head....
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Startrekwatcher
Sun, Sep 24, 2017, 12:06am (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: General Discussion

It's too bad the show isn't getting back to basics. The problem with a lot of television nowadays is everything is made more complicated than it needs to be. The two most successful Trek series is just about a group of interesting likable characters on a mission to explore our universe. No need to be well versed in Trek. No end goals like DS9 had of Bajor joining the Federation or ending the Dominion a War; Voyager getting home; ENT chronicling the lead up to the Federation.

This new series really should have done what TNG did for Trek. Just give us good characters on a ship exploring the great unknown in the 25th century on weekly adventures and throw in an occasional multipart episode when appropriate. I find the endless fixation on TOS tiresome. Trek is more than just the classic series and to see so often in last 16 years constantly going back there to be quite silly. The fanwanking when it comes to this era by the people running the various Trek stuff these days to be quite myopic
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Eric
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 11:30pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The City on the Edge of Forever

First, I want to say that I also agree with PZ. Those last few minutes are incredibly powerful to me. I appreciated and it would have been inappropriate to have the usual epilogue ending on the bridge with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. One thing about this episode is that I think it makes a difference whether you first saw it with no knowledge of the episode or its reputation. I first saw it in the early syndicated reruns sometime in the early 70s. Star Trek was on five days a week in the early evening and I had gotten used to watching it each day. So when this episode came on, I had no special idea of what was coming. I remember the emotional impact of that ending as it hit me that first time I saw it to this day. It had me in tears and it was haunting me for the rest of that night. I would expect that the emotional impact wouldn't have been as great if I had known something about the episode or its reputation before seeing it. I saw The Inner Light when it was originally aired, again with no special knowledge of what was coming before I saw it. The impact of that ending was also very great for me and I remember thinking as that episode was ending that there was The Next Generation's City on the Edge of Forever. Many of the criticisms that are in the comments above from over the past few years I can understand the point of, but the key for me is the emotional impact of those last few minutes of the episode.
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Trek fan
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 10:47pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Menagerie

Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek won a Hugo award for this brilliant two-parter "The Menagerie." I first saw it on TV in the early 1990s before I ever saw "The Cage" -- and I thought it was really compelling. Seeing "The Cage" first spoils it, so I recommend watching "The Menagerie" before the failed pilot it repurposes, as the second version actually improves on the original by adding additional layers of mystery and meaning. I give it 3 1/2 or 4 stars.

This two-parter is essentially a character study of Spock, broadening our sense of him and testing his relationship with Kirk and McCoy. The first part of the episode, in which Spock stages a mutiny with a poker face that only cracks with worry (well-played by Nimoy) when he realizes Kirk will die in the shuttle if he doesn't surrender, remains particularly shocking and strong. Spock is the last person on the crew we expect to see "go rogue" or bring his loyalty into question. The rest of the two-parter, flashing back to Spock's mission with Captain Pike (Jeffrey Hunter) to Talos IV, gradually unspools the truth about Spock: That his personal loyalty to his friends exceeds his institutional loyalty, revealing a more vulnerable human side of him than we've seen previously. This is really the first "Spock episode" of TOS and it's a doozy that keeps us guessing for most of the running time.

The haunted sight of the crippled Captain Pike (Sean Kenney, doing some wonderful acting with his eyes) bound to a high-tech-that-isn't wheelchair in the present-day sequences remains one of the most iconic images in all of Star Trek. That Spock has worked out an arrangement with the Talosians to give his former captain some peace, yet remain loyal to his current captain, is a particularly deft beat in what is probably Roddenberry's best Star Trek script. The episode leaves us with the notion that what is "real to us" is sometimes the best possible reality given the alternatives; the show's insistence on the quality as well as the quantity of life (let's not forget that nobody suggests euthanizing Pike!) shows a deep compassion and empathy for the state of the handicapped that one rarely sees on television.

It's fun to watch the original mission from "The Cage" through the eyes of the current Enterprise crew, comparing two possible visions of the show. I'm always struck by how the original Enterprise set and costumes on "The Cage" look strikingly similar to the drab uniforms and gray-black design of the ship on the much-maligned "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" in 1979. In some ways, TMP may be Roddenberry's callback to "The Cage," attempted to reboot the original cerebral vision -- the two products certainly have a lot in common. But the pulpy feel and colorful sets/costumes of TOS (somewhat regained in the movie series by "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan) speak to what many viewers came to love about the show's hyper-realist tone as retooled under the more physical Captain Kirk -- it's hard to imagine how "Star Trek" might have succeeded had the producers kept the brooding and unhappy Captaint Pike. Part of the power of "The Menagerie's" solution to Pike's dilemma is that it suggests a character who was unhappy *before* he was crippled has come to have a different view of life because of his suffering and might finally be ready to accept happiness.

Gotta love Commodore Mendez (the strong Malachi Thorne, also Romulan Senator Pardek on TNG) as our first image of Starfleet brass in TOS -- I'm not sure precisely when he becomes an illusion, but I think it's pretty clear that the real Mendez never being on the ship was Roddenberry's way of absolving Spock of the court martial that required three command officers. With only two command officers present, the hearing was never a binding judgment, and Spock is clever in the way he protects the crew by not involving them in his treason in case he fails -- I find it deliciously ironic that the nitpickers in this thread, who typically complain when Trek *doesn't* explain certain plot gaps, now complain here when Trek *does* cover it! In point of fact, it's clear Roddenberry labored extensively on this particular story, working extra hard to cover all the apparent holes in connecting two stories through flashback. I for one recognize the effort and give him credit for it; the story *truly* holds together better than many people here are giving it credit for.

Be that as it may, perhaps the biggest reason I love this episode is the strong character development as we watch the crew trust Mr. Spock even against their better judgment until even McCoy can't take it anymore. Watching not only Kirk but also McCoy defend Spock's loyalty as unimpeachable heightens the drama: We wonder how the heck Spock's actions of mutiny in the taughtly paced first half of the episode, which are pretty darn convincing as these things go in the Star Trek universe, can be reconciled with his loyalty to the crew. And it's truly touching the way Spock risks his own life and career to fulfill what he knows must be a desire of Captain Pike, who himself doesn't want to go to Talos if it will mean the end of Spock's career. Some nice foreshadowing here of the crew mutiny and trip to Genesis in "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock."

The flashback footage to Pike goes on a bit too long at times, pulling us out of the more interesting Spock crisis, but it actually adds to the "what the heck is going on" part of the mystery because this episode (the only two-parte in TOS) is so different from all others in the original series. And again, it really helps not to have seen "The Cage" before this one -- far better to see "The Menagerie" first and then watch all of "The Cage" as I did in my own life, as that's the order it aired originally since "The Cage" only had its belated broadcast premiere in the 1980s.

But again, it all comes down for me to the admirable sense of Spock's loyalty and (dare we say it) compassion for shipmates we get in this episode, and finally the haunted image of Pick in his chair being contrasted with his final embrace of a very realistic illusion as the most real thing left in his life. When the cerebral and unhappy Pike is actually reduced to little more than a brain trapped within a body, it seems ironic that he changes his view and longs for an embodied existence again. And who are we to say his reality at the end of "The Menagerie" is any less real than ours? That's the question this brilliant science fiction piece leaves us pondering.
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Del
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 9:12pm (UTC -5)
Re: BSG S1: Act of Contrition

As an avid trek fan, what sets BSG apart for me, in addition to the things mentioned in Jammer's review and the comments above, are the superb sets, filming, lighting, framing, editing, and special effects in this series. The scenes are visually compelling, riveting, and believable - all bringing the great writing and acting to fruition.
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Trent
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 9:05pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: General Discussion

Ugh, apparently the show has F bombs.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 8:28pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: About a Girl

Rahul, thanks for the attempt, but that DS9 episode didn't really deal with this issue at all. The point of controversy there was the nature of the treatment (genetic engineering) and not the question of whether young Julian should have been treated at all.

The most relevant DS9 episode here, I think, would be "Melora". No babies there, but the question of "defect" vs "difference" is directly addressed by that episode. Unfortunately, that episode completely botched the message by making Melora herself the worst possible example of a handicapped person with an entitlement complex.
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Jammer
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 8:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: Command Performance

I think I have made clear that I also believe the STORIES are not particularly fresh either. Device that speeds up time? Rookie in over her head? Humans in a zoo? Courtroom drama over cultural issue? These are not new ideas. And that can be okay! I don't require everything be new. When you get down to it, almost nothing can be new. But this notion that The Orville is doing new things (aside from the comedy, which has been mostly a misfire so far) is laughabe to me. And the execution so far has been sub-par, minus the latest episode.

But, yes, it is still early on.
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Rich Dixon
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 8:24pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: General Discussion

I can't wait for the series to get underway! I've read good things about it so far. What I'm hoping for is that it follows be same pattern and values the other series shared. It has to maintain the Star Trek model. I'm glad to share my thoughts with this community 🙂
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Rahul
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 8:09pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: General Discussion

Some random thoughts/hopes/expectations a day before the premiere...

There are still episodes I haven't yet seen from TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT so I'm not really starving for new Trek but I am looking forward to another Trek and seeing it as it happens. The hype has been unbelievable especially in this social media era.

I've never been one to be impressed with special effects / technology / costumes / set designs but I'm sure a lot of DSC will be about wowing the casual Trek viewer. For me, as long as the new stuff helps tell the story - great.

What's most interesting to me is that DSC is supposed to take place about 10 years before Kirk/Spock and TOS. I wish it would have gone further into the future from DS9/VOY. I think taking place 10 years before TOS is somewhat limiting, and I certainly wouldn't want to see some gimmick of monkeying with the existing timeline / canon.

The series will again be commenting on problems in today's society no doubt. Apparently there's a gay crew member so some episodes like TNG's "The Outcast" could be done more realistically I suppose. There's the main female actress playing a character named "Michael" - not sure why. And the Klingons have changed completely how they look - needing a good explanation here.

Being 10 years before TOS, what I'd like to see (but probably won't) is some stories touching on things TOS mentioned in its past (like Kirk on the Farragut in "Obsession" or maybe Kodos the Executioner etc.) But of course there will be new races introduced -- like Sura who is actually a fairly senior member of the crew. I'd like to see DSC make use of the Gorn (but that might mess with the timeline from "Arena")

I do hope DSC has some excellent musical scores -- nothing from TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT have approached the caliber and timelessness of TOS musical scores. And I saw some comments about longer titles for episodes -- all for that. Begone with the 1-word bland episode titles!!

Anyhow, less than 24 hours to go now...
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Dave
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 8:04pm (UTC -5)
Re: VOY S4: Hunters

The relay station looked a lot like the Caretaker array...
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Rahul
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 7:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: About a Girl

@OmicronThetaDeltaPhi

The issue of correcting "defects" in children was touched on in DS9's "Doctor Bashir, I presume". Granted, there are so many things that can be touched on regarding this topic and the DS9 episode is pretty different from what this episode sounds like. By the way, I haven't seen this "The Orville" episode as I was turned off after the 1st episode but I just saw your comment and had just seen the DS9 episode that I thought I'd reply to you.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 6:51pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: Command Performance

"I think you are being a bit disingenuous when you say that you find the rehash claim to be "strange." Maybe you don't agree with it based on how you personally are viewing Orville's distinctions, but surely you can see where those of us who have made that claim are coming from."

Yes, I can see where some of you are coming from... But I still maintain that "where you're coming from" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Because even if we assume the notion that the Orville is a carbon-copy of Trek (and I don't)... SO WHAT? As long as it's good Trek, how is this a bad thing? Especially when they put a spotlight on topics that Trek has never dealt with before in an adequate fashion (and it already did that twice within the first 3 episodes).

So no, I'm not being "disingenuous" at all. I honestly don't understand what you all are complaining about. Yes, the Orville is very similar to Star Trek, but that is the entire point of the show. It's a show made by a huge Trekkie (McFarlane) for Trekkies, in a time that official Trek is no longer delivering the same kind of optimistic sci fi that it used to.

Now, if you think the STORIES aren't original enough, that's a possibly valid point which can be discussed. But complaining that the SETTING and STYLE are "too trek-like" just doesn't make any sense. It's what Seth aimed at, and it is exactly what his target audience want. As the saying goes: It's not a bug. It's a feature.

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Paul M.
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 6:33pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: General Discussion

"Funny how the same people who accused some of us of "prejudging discovery without seeing a single episode" are now arriving at far-reaching conclusions based on things like "long episode titles" and reactions from red carpet screenings (which mean absolutely nothing)."

Le sigh. Le yawning sigh of the tonsils-revealing type.

I trust it's not that hard to notice the difference between:
(a) Huh, these long unusual titles seems cool. Hey, first red carpet impressions are positive. Hope these things bode well for the show!
(b) Prequel! Hate! Dark'n'edgy! Hate! Swearing! Hate! New Klingon design! Hate!

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Skuffles
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 6:25pm (UTC -5)
Re: ENT S3: The Forgotten

This season has been quite good so far, except for a few missteps.

This is what Voyager should have been. A ship out in the middle of nowhere with no help from home, doing things they don't want to just to survive, their ship getting damaged and actually taking time to fix, etc. If this was Voyager, this episode would never have existed. The ship would have been magically fixed and the deaths of crew members basically ignored. Voyager had such a promising premise and wasted it on fluff. Too bad it took Enterprise to actually use that premise effectively.

I'm glad Enterprise did though.

3 1/2 stars from me for each of the last three episodes
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Jasper
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 6:01pm (UTC -5)
Re: DS9 S2: Armageddon Game

Bit of meh episode for me. Two stars. Fuck that coffee plot, hated it. Especially the cheap ass comedy punch line. Dumb.
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OmicronThetaDeltaPhi
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 5:42pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: About a Girl

Finally found the time to watch this one.

Very good. And once again, the Orville is tackling an issue that official Star Trek has failed to deal with in over 700 episodes: The issue of correcting "defects" in children who were born different, and the way society shuns those who choose to remain - as the say in the PC world - "special".

As a person for whom this topic is very close to heart personally, I loved the message of this episode. And I think many "disabled" (boy, do I *hate* that word) people would agree that the message here is important.

You know, I absolutely admire the way the Orville isn't afraid to tackle issues that even Star Trek feared to tread. First the animal rights one, and now this. Just wonderful. Kudos to both Seth McFarlane and FOX for doing having the balls to make this brave show.

And on a lighter note... in this episode we learn that a nano-genetic cure for cancer will be invented in 2056. I thought that was really cool.
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Chrome
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 5:31pm (UTC -5)
Re: DSC S1: General Discussion

@methane

Thanks for reminding me to set the DVR. Football won’t affect us schedule-wise on the West Coast, but my 4 month old probably will. :-)
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bhbor
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 4:46pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: About a Girl

^the episodes are already made... all 13. 2nd season prospects are dubious but who knows..
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Jammer
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 4:27pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: Command Performance

Couple quick edits to this review: I've revised the star rating to place it more in line with where I think this actually landed, especially when comparing it to the other two shows, and I've clarified a point about the director of photography to insert Marvin V. Rush's name (which I didn't bother to look up before my initial posting but felt that was unwarranted laziness worth correcting).
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Jammer
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 3:53pm (UTC -5)
Re: ORV S1: Command Performance

"So yes, I find the claim of the Orville being 'a rehash' (or as one poster here put it: 'lazy grave-robbing') to be very strange indeed. Especially when official Trek is now a completely different beast then what the Orville is serving."

I think you are being a bit disingenuous when you say that you find the rehash claim to be "strange." Maybe you don't agree with it based on how you personally are viewing Orville's distinctions, but surely you can see where those of us who have made that claim are coming from.
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Alberto
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 3:20pm (UTC -5)
Re: TOS S1: The Squire of Gothos

Some people have already pointed out the similarities between this and Charlie X. However, I must say that the first season of TOS have too many episodes with the "the crew gets saved from powerful being that can do anything at will by some Deus Ex Machina or by something not really consistent to the adversary being all powerful". Charlie X and Squire are already pointed out, but The Cage, Where No Man Has Gone Before, The Corbomite Maneuver, all fit to the description.

Besides, did anyone else think that one of Trelane's statues (that he phasers away) look A LOT like the creature from The Man Trap?
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